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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
It's more of a discussion around what's happening with LEGO.
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Same thing, here's this cool LEGO set I found.
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Look how awesome this is.
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And I'm like, yeah, that's freaking awesome, right?
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It's not a question, right?
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There's all these social components and discussions
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that don't fit at all.
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We literally have to disallow those in Stack Overflow
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because it's not about being social.
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It's about problems that you're facing in your work
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that you need concrete answers for.
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You have a real demonstrated problem that's
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blocking you in something.
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Nobody's blocked by, what should I
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do when I have a straight flush?
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It's not a blocking problem in the world.
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It's just an opportunity to hang out and discuss.
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So discourse was a way to address that and say, look,
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discussion forum software was very, very bad.
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And when I came out of Stack Overflow in early 2012,
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it was still very, very bad.
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I expected it improved in the four years since I last looked,
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but it had not improved at all.
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And I was like, well, that's kind of terrible
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because I love these communities of people talking about things
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that they love.
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They're just communities of interest, right?
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And there's no good software for them.
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Startups would come to me and say, hey, Jeff,
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I want to have this startup.
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Here's my idea.
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And the first thing I would say to them
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is, well, first, why are you asking me?
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I don't really know your field necessarily.
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Why aren't you asking the community,
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the people that are interested in this problem,
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the people that are using your product,
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why aren't you talking to them?
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And then they'd say, oh, great idea.
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How do I do that?
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And then that's when I started playing sad trombone
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because I realized all the software involving
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talking to your users, customers, audience, patrons,
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whatever it is, it was all really bad.
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It was stuff that I would be embarrassed
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to recommend to other people.
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And yet, that's where I felt they could get the biggest
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and strongest, most effective input
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for what they should be doing with their product, right?
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It's from their users, from their community, right?
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That's what we did on Stack Overflow.
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So what we're talking about with forums,
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the, what is it, the dark matter of the internet,
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it's still, I don't know if it's still,
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but for the longest time,
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it has some of the most passionate
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and fascinating discussions.
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And what's the usual structure?
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There's usually, it's linear, so it's sequential.
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So you're posting one after the other
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and there's pagination, so it's every,
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there's 10 posts and then you go to the next page.
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And that format still is used by,
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like I'm, we're doing a lot of research
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with Tesla vehicles and there's a Tesla Motors Club forum,
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which is extremely.
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We really wanted to run that actually.
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They pinged us about it, I don't think we got it,
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but I really would have liked to gotten that one.
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But they've started before even 2012, I believe.
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I mean, they've been running for a long time.
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It's still an extremely rich source of information.
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So what's broken about that system
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and how are you trying to fix it?
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I think there's a lot of power in connecting people
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that love the same stuff around that specific topic.
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Meaning Facebook's idea of connection is
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just any human that's related to another human, right?
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Like through friendship or any other reason.
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Facebook's idea of the world
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is sort of the status update, right?
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Like a friend of yours did something,
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ate at a restaurant, right?
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Whereas discussion forums were traditionally
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around the interest graph.
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Like I love electric cars,
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specifically I love Tesla, right?
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Like I love the way they approach the problem.
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I love the style of the founder.
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I just love the design ethic.
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And there's a lot to like about Tesla.
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I don't know if you saw the oatmeal,
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he did a whole love comic to Tesla.
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And it was actually kind of cool
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because I learned some stuff.
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He was talking about how great Tesla cars were specifically,
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like how they were built differently.
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And he went into a lot of great detail
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that was really interesting.
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And to me, that oatmeal post, if you read it,
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