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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
had I said yes and sold the blog.
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It's like, there probably wouldn't be Stack Overflow.
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You know, a lot of other stuff would have changed.
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So for that particular decision,
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I think it was that same rule.
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Like what scares me a little bit more.
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Do the thing that scares you.
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Yeah.
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So speaking of which, startups.
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I think there's a specific, some more general questions
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that a lot of people would be interested in.
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You've started Stack Overflow.
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You started this course.
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So what's the, it was one, two, three guys,
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whatever it is in the beginning.
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What was that process like?
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Do you start talking about it?
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Do you start programming?
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Do you start, like, where's the birth
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and the catalyst that actually.
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Well, I can talk about it in the context
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of both Stack Overflow and Discourse.
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So I think the key thing initially is there is a problem.
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Something, there's some state of the world
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that's unsatisfactory to the point that, like,
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you're upset about it, right?
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Like, in that case, it was experts exchange.
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I mean, Joel's original idea,
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because I approached Joel as like,
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look, Joel, I have all this energy behind my blog.
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I want to do something.
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I want to build something.
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But I don't know what it is,
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because I'm honestly not a good idea person.
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I'm really not.
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I'm like the execution guy.
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I'm really good at execution,
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but I'm not good at, like, blue skying ideas.
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Not my forte.
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Which is another reason why I like the community feedback,
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because they blue sky all day long for you, right?
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So when I can just go in and cherry pick
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a blue sky idea from community,
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even if I have to spend three hours reading
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to get one good idea, it's worth it, man.
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But anyway, so the idea from Joel was,
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hey, experts exchange, it's got great data,
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but the experience is hideous, right?
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It's trying to trick you.
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It feels like used car salesman.
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It's just bad.
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So I was like, oh, that's awesome.
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It feeds into community.
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It feeds into, like, you know,
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we can make creative comments.
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So I think the core is to have a really good idea
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that you feel very strongly about in the beginning,
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that, like, there's a wrong in the world,
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an injustice that we will write
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through the process of building this thing.
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For Discourse, it was like, look,
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there's no good software for communities
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to just hang out and, like, do stuff, right?
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Like, whether it's problem solving, startup, whatever.
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Forums are such a great building block of online community,
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and they're hideous.
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They were so bad, right?
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It was embarrassing.
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Like, I literally was embarrassed
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to be associated with this software, right?
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I was like, we have to have software that you can be proud of.
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It's like, this is competitive with Reddit.
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This is competitive with Twitter.
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This is competitive with Facebook, right?
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I would be proud to have the software on my site.
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So that was the genesis of Discourse,
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was feeling very strongly about there needs to be
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a good solution for communities.
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So that's step one.
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Genesis of an idea you feel super strongly about, right?
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And then people galvanize around the idea.
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Like, Joel was already super excited about the idea.
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I was excited about the idea.
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So with the forum software, I was posting on Twitter.
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I had researched, as part of my research,
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I start researching the problem, right?
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And I found a game called Forum Wars,
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which was a parody of forum.
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It's still very, very funny, of forum behavior,
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circa, I would say, 2003.
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It's aged some, right?
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Like, the behavior's a little different in there of Twitter.
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But it was awesome.
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It was very funny.
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And it was like a game.
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It was like an RPG.
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And it had a forum attached to it.
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So it was like a game about forums with a forum attached.
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I was like, this is awesome, right?
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This is so cool.
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