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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
And the founder of that company, or that project,
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it wasn't really a company, contacted me,
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this guy Robin Ward from Toronto.
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He said, hey, I saw you've been talking about forums.
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And I really love that problem space.
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He was like, I'd still love to build really good forum
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software, because I don't think anything out there's any good.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
And I was like, awesome.
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At that point, I was like, we're starting a company.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
Because I couldn't have whooshed for a better person
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
to walk through the door and say, I'm excited about this,
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
too.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
Same thing with Joel, right?
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
I mean, Joel is a legend in the industry, right?
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
So when he walked through and said,
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
I'm excited about this problem, I was like, me too, man.
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We can do this, right?
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So that, to me, is the most important step.
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It's like, having an idea you're super excited about,
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and another person, a cofounder, right?
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Because again, you get that dual leadership, right?
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Am I making a bad decision?
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Sometimes it's nice to have checks of like,
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is this a good idea?
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I don't know, right?
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
So those are the crucial seeds.
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But then starting to build stuff,
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whether it's you programming or somebody else's.
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There is prototyping.
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So there's tons of research.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
There's tons of research, like, what's out there that failed?
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Because a lot of people look at the successes.
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Oh, look at how successful X is.
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Everybody looks at the successes.
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Those are boring.
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Show me the failures, because that is what's interesting.
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That's where people were experimenting.
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That's where people were pushing.
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And they failed, but they probably
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failed for reasons that weren't directly
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about the quality of their idea, right?
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So look at all the failures.
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Don't just look what everybody looks at, which is like, oh,
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gosh, look at all these successful people.
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Look at the failures.
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Look at the things that didn't work.
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Research the entire field.
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And so that's the research that I was doing
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that led me to Robin, right?
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Was that.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
And then when we, for example, when we did Stack Overflow,
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we're like, okay, well, I really like elements
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of voting and dig and read it.
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I like the Wikipedia, everything's up to date.
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Nothing is like an old tombstone
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that has horrible out of date information.
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We know that works.
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Wikipedia is an amazing resource.
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Blogging, the idea of ownership is so powerful, right?
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
Like, oh, I, Joe wrote this,
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and look how good Joe's answer is, right?
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All these concepts were rolling together.
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Researching all the things that were out there
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that were working and why they were working
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and trying to fold them into, again,
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that Frankenstein's monster of what Stack Overflow is.
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And by the way, that wasn't a free decision
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because there's still a ton of tension
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in the Stack Overflow system.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
There's reasons people complain about Stack Overflow
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because it's so strict, right?
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
Why is it so strict?
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
Why are you guys always closing my questions?
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It's because there's so much tension
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that we built into the system
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around trying to get good, good results out of the system.
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And it's not a free.
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That stuff doesn't come for free, right?
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It's not like we, we all have perfect answers
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and nobody will have to get their feelings heard
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or nobody will have to get downvoted.
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It doesn't work that way, right?
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
So this is an interesting point and a small tangent.
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You write about anxiety.
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So I've posted a lot of questions
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and written answers on Stack Overflow.
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On the question side, you usually go to
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something very specific to something I'm working on.
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And this is something you talk about
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that really the goal of Stack Overflow isn't about,
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is to write a question that's not about you,
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it's about the question that will help
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the community in the future.
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Right, but that's a tough sell, right?
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Because people are like, well,
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I don't really care about the community.
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What I care about is my problem.
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And that's fair, right?
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It's sort of that, again, that tension,
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that balancing act of we wanna help you,
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