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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
but we also wanna help everybody that comes behind you.
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The long line of people are gonna come up and say,
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oh, I kinda have that problem too, right?
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And if nobody's ever gonna come up and say,
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I have this problem too,
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then that question shouldn't exist on Stack Overflow
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because the question is too specific.
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And even that's tension, right?
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How do you judge that?
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How do you know that nobody's ever gonna have
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this particular question again?
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So there's a lot of tension in the system.
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Do you think that anxiety of asking the question,
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the anxiety of answering,
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that tension is inherent to programmers,
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is inherent to this kind of process?
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Or can it be improved?
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Can it be happy land
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where that tension is not quite so harsh?
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I don't think Stack Overflow
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can totally change the way it works.
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One thing they are working on finally
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is the ask page had not changed since 2011.
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I'm still kind of bitter about this
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because I feel like you have a Q&A system
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and what are the core pages in a Q&A system?
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Well, first of all, the question,
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all the answers and also the ask page,
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particularly when you're a new user
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or someone trying to ask a question,
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that's the point at which you need the most help.
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And we just didn't adapt with the times.
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But the good news is they're working on this,
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from what I understand,
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and it's gonna be a more wizard based format.
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And you could envision a world
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where as part of this wizard based program,
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when you're asking questions,
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okay, come up with a good title,
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what are good words to put in the title?
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One word that's not good to put in the title
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is problem, for example.
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I have a problem.
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Oh, you have a problem.
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Okay, a problem, that's great.
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You need specifics.
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So it's trying to help you make a good question title,
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for example, that step will be broken out, all that stuff.
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But one of those steps in that wizard of asking
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could say, hey, I'm a little nervous.
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I've never done this before.
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Can you put me in a queue for special mentoring?
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You could opt in to a special mentor.
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I think that would be fantastic.
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I don't have any objection to that at all
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in terms of being an opt in system.
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Because there are people that are like,
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I just wanna help them.
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I wanna help a person no matter what.
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I wanna go above and beyond.
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I wanna spend hours with this person.
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It depends what their goals are.
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It's a great idea.
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Who am I to judge?
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So that's fine.
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It's not precluded from happening.
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But there's a certain big city ethos
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that we started with.
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Like, look, we're in New York City.
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You don't come to New York City
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and expect them to be, oh, welcome to the city, Joe.
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How's it going?
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Come on in.
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Let me show you around.
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That's not how New York City works.
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Again, New York City has a reputation for being rude,
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which I actually don't think it is,
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having been there fairly recently.
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It's not rude.
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It's just like going about their business.
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Like, look, I have things to do.
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I'm busy.
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I'm a busy professional, as are you.
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And since you're a busy professional,
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certainly when you ask a question,
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you're gonna ask the best possible question.
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Because you're a busy professional
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and you would not accept anything less
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than a very well written question
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with a lot of detail about why you're doing it,
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what you're doing, what you researched,
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what you found,
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because you're a professional like me.
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And this rubs people sometimes the wrong way.
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And I don't think it's wrong to say,
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look, I don't want that experience.
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I want just a more chill place for beginners.
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And I still think Stack Overflow
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is not, was never designed for beginners, right?
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There's this misconception that,
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