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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
even Joel says sometimes,
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oh yeah, Stack Overflow for beginners.
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And I think if you're a prodigy, it can be.
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Right.
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But for the most part, not.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
But that's not really representative, right?
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Like, I think as a beginner,
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you want a totally different set of tools.
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You want like live screen sharing, live chat.
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You want access to resources.
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You want a playground,
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like a playground you can experiment in
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and like test and all this stuff
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that we just don't give people
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because that was never really the audience
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that we were designing Stack Overflow for.
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That doesn't mean it's wrong.
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And I think it would be awesome
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if there was a site like that on the internet,
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or if Stack Overflow said,
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hey, you know, we're gonna start doing this.
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That's fine too.
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You know, I'm not there.
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I'm not making those decisions.
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But I do think the pressure,
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the tension that you described is there for people to be,
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look, I'm a little nervous
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because I know I gotta do my best work, right?
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The other one is something you talk about,
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which is also really interesting to me,
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is duplicate questions or it's a really difficult problem
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that you highlight.
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It's super hard.
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Like you could take one little topic
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and you could probably write 10, 20, 30 ways
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of asking about that topic
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and there will be all different.
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I don't know if there should be one page
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that answers all of it.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
Is there a way that Stack Overflow can help disambiguate,
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like separate these duplicate questions
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or connect them together?
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Or is it a totally hopeless, difficult, impossible task?
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I think it's a very, very hard computer science problem.
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And partly because people are very good
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at using completely different words.
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It always amazed me on Stack Overflow.
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You'd have two questions that were functionally identical
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and one question had like zero words in common
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with the other question.
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Like, oh my God, from a computer science perspective,
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how do you even begin to solve that?
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And it happens all the time.
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People are super good at this, right?
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Accidentally at asking the same thing
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in like 10, 20 different ways.
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And the other complexity is we want some
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of those duplicates to exist
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because if there's five versions with different words,
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have those five versions point
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to the one centralized answer, right?
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It's like, okay, this is a duplicate, no worries.
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Here's the answer that you wanted over here
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on the prime example that we want to have,
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rather than having 10 copies of the question and the answer.
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Because if you have 10 copies of the question and answer,
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this also devalues the reputation system,
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which programmers hate, as I previously mentioned.
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You're getting reputation for an answer
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that somebody else already gave.
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It's like, well, it's an answer,
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but somebody else already gave that answer.
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So why are you getting reputation for the same answer
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as the other guy who gave it four years ago?
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People get offended by that, right?
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So the reputation system itself adds tension to the system
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in that the people who have a lot of reputation
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become very incentivized to enforce the reputation system.
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And for the most part, that's good.
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I know it sounds weird, but for most parts,
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like look, strict systems, I think to use Stack Overflow,
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you have to have the idea that, OK, strict systems ultimately
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work better.
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And I do think in programming, you're
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familiar with loose typing versus strict typing, right?
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The idea that you can declare a variable,
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not declare a variable, rather, just start using a variable.
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And OK, I see it's implicitly an integer.
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Bam, awesome.
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Duck equals 5.
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Well, duck is now an integer of 5, right?
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And you're like, cool, awesome, simpler, right?
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Why would I want to worry about typing?
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And for a long time, in the Ruby community,
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they're like, yeah, this is awesome.
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You just do a bunch of unit testing,
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which is testing your program's validity after the fact
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to catch any bugs that strict typing of variables
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would have caught.
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And now you have this thing called
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