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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
is the goal either.
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It's like, you don't want a heartbeat that's like so fast.
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It's like you're just freaking out.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
But it is a measure of health.
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You should have a healthy heartbeat.
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It's up to people listening to decide what that means.
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But it has to be healthy.
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It has to be reasonable.
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Because otherwise, you're just going
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to be frustrated because that's how you build software.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
You make mistakes.
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You roll it out.
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You live with it.
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You see what it feels like and say, oh, God,
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that was a terrible idea.
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Oh, my gosh, this could be even better if we did Y, right?
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
You turn the crank.
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And then the more you do that, the faster
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you get ahead of your competitors ultimately.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
It's rate of change, right?
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Delta V, right?
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How fast are you moving?
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
Well, within a year, you're going to be miles away
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by the time they catch up with you, right?
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That's the way it works.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
And plus, as a software developer and user,
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I love software that's constantly changing.
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Because I don't understand people who get super pissed off
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when like, oh, they changed the software on me.
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How dare they?
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I'm like, yes, change the software.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
Change it all the time, man.
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That's what makes this stuff great
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is that it can be changed so rapidly
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and become something that is greater than it is now.
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Now, granted, there are some changes that suck.
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I admit.
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I've seen it many times.
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But in general, that's what makes software cool, right?
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It's that it is so malleable.
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Fighting that is weird to me.
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Because it's like, well, you're fighting
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the essence of the thing that you're building.
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That doesn't make sense.
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You want to really embrace that.
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Not to be a hummingbird, but embrace it
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to a healthy cycle of your heartbeat, right?
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
So you talk about that people really don't change.
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It's true.
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That's why probably a lot of the stuff you write about in your blog
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probably will remain true.
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Well, there's a flip side of the coin.
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People don't change.
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Like, investing and understanding people
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is like learning Unix in 1970.
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Because nothing has changed, right?
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All those things you've learned about people
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will still be valid 34 years from now.
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Whereas if you learn the latest JavaScript framework,
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that's going to be good for like two years, right?
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Exactly.
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But if you look at the future of programming,
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so there's a people component, but there's also
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the technology itself.
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What do you see as the future of programming?
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Will it change significantly, or as far as you can tell,
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people are ultimately programming,
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and so it's not something that you foresee changing
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in any fundamental way?
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Well, you've got to go look back on sort
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of the basics of programming.
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And one of things that always shocked me
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is like source control.
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Like, I didn't learn anything about source control.
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Granted, I graduated from college in 1992.
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But I remember hearing from people as late as like 1998,
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1999, like even maybe today, they're
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not learning source control.
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And to me, it's like, well, how can you not
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learn source control?
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That is so fundamental to working with other programmers,
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working in a way that you don't lose your work.
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Just basic software, the literal bedrock of software
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development is source control.
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Now, you compare it today, like GitHub, right?
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Like Microsoft bought GitHub, which
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I think was an incredibly smart acquisition move
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on their part.
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Now they have anybody who wants reasonable source control
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to go sign up on GitHub.
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It's all set up for you, right?
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There's tons of walkthroughs, tons of tutorials.
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So from the concept of like, has programming
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advanced from, say, 1999, it's like, well, hell, we have GitHub.
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I mean, my god, yes, right?
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Like, it's massively advanced over what it was.
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Now, as to whether programming is significantly different,
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I'm going to say no.
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But I think the baseline of what we view as fundamentals
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will continue to go up and actually get better,
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