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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
like source control.
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That's one of the fundamentals that has gotten hundreds
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of orders of magnitude better than it was 10, 20 years ago.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
So those are the fundamentals.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
Let me introduce two things that maybe you can comment on.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
So one is mobile phones.
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So that could fundamentally transform what programming is,
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or maybe not.
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Maybe you can comment on that.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
And the other one is artificial intelligence,
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which promises to, in some ways, to do
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
some of the programming for you is one way to think about it.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
So it's really what a programmer is,
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is using the intelligence that's inside your skull
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to do something useful.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
The hope with artificial intelligence
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is that it does some of the useful parts for you
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where you don't have to think about it.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
So do you see smartphones, the fact that everybody has one,
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and they're getting more and more powerful as potentially
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changing programming?
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And do you see AI as potentially changing programming?
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
OK, so that's good.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
So smartphones have definitely changed.
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I mean, since, I guess, 2010 is when they really
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started getting super popular.
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I mean, in the last eight years, the world
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has literally changed, right?
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Everybody carries a computer around, and that's normal.
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I mean, that is such a huge change in society.
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I think we're still dealing with a lot
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of the positive and negative ramifications of that, right?
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
Everybody's connected all the time.
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Everybody's on the computer all the time.
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That was my dream world as a geek, right?
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But it's like, be careful what you ask for, right?
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Like, wow, now everybody has a computer.
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It's not quite the utopia that we thought it would be, right?
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
Computers can be used for a lot of stuff that's not necessarily
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great.
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So to me, that's the central focus of the smartphone,
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is just that it puts a computer in front of everyone.
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Granted, a small, touch screen, smallish,
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touch screen computer.
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But as for programming, I don't know.
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I don't think that I've kind of, over time,
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come to subscribe to the Unix view of the world
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when it comes to programming.
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You want to teach these basic command line things,
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and that is just what programming
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is going to be for, I think, a long, long time.
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I don't think there's any magical visual programming
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that's going to happen.
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I don't know.
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I've, over time, have become a believer in that Unix
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philosophy of just, you know, they kind of had
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to write with Unix.
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That's going to be the way it is for a long, long time.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
And we'll continue to, like I said, raise the baseline.
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The tools will get better.
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It'll get simpler.
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But it's still fundamentally going
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to be command line tools, fancy IDEs.
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That's kind of it for the foreseeable future.
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I'm not seeing any visual programming stuff
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on the horizon.
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Because you kind of think, like, what
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do you do on a smartphone that will be directly
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analogous to programming?
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Like, I'm trying to think, right?
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And there's really not much.
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So not necessarily analogous to programming,
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but the kind of things that, the kind of programs
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you would need to write might need to be very different.
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Yeah.
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And the kind of languages.
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I mean, but I probably also subscribe to the same,
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just because everything in this world
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might be written in JavaScript.
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Oh, yeah.
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That's already happening.
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I mean, discourse is a bet.
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Discourse itself, JavaScript, is another bet
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on that side of the table.
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And I still try and believe in that.
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So I would say smartphones have mostly a cultural shift more
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than a programming shift.
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Now, your other question was about artificial intelligence
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and sort of devices predicting what you're going to do.
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And I do think there's some strength to that.
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I think artificial intelligence is kind of overselling it
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in terms of what it's doing.
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It's more like, people are predictable, right?
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People do the same things.
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Let me give you an example.
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One check we put in a discourse that's
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been a lot of big commercial websites is,
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say you log in from New York City now.
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And then an hour later, you log in from San Francisco.
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It's like, well, hmm, that's interesting.
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