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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
How did you get from New York to San Francisco in one hour?
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So at that point, you're like, OK, this
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is a suspicious login at that point.
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So we would alert you.
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It's like, OK.
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But that's not AI, right?
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
That's just a heuristic of like, how did you, in one hour,
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get 2,000 miles, right?
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That doesn't.
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I mean, you're grand.
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Maybe you're on a VPN.
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There's other ways to happen.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
That's just a basic prediction based on the idea
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that people pretty much don't move around that much.
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They may travel occasionally.
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But nobody, unless you're a traveling salesman that's
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literally traveling the world every day,
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there's so much repetition and predictability
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in terms of things you're going to do.
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And I think good software anticipates your needs.
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For example, Google, I think it's
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called Google Now or whatever that Google thing is
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that predicts your commute and predicts,
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based on your phone location, where are you every day?
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Well, that's probably where you work, that kind of stuff.
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I do think computers can get a lot better at that.
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I hesitate to call it full blown AI.
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It's just computers getting better at like, first of all,
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they have a ton of data because everybody has a smartphone.
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Now, all of a sudden, we have all this data
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that we didn't have before about location,
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about communication, and feeding that into some basic heuristics
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and maybe some fancy algorithms that turn it
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into predictions of anticipating your needs,
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like a friend would, right?
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Like, oh, hey, I see your home.
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Would you like some dinner, right?
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Like, let's go get some food, because that's usually
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what we do at this time of day, right?
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In the context of actually the act of programming,
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do you see IDEs improving and making
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the life of programming as better?
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I do think that is possible, because there's
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a lot of repetition in programming, right?
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
Oh, you know, Clippy would be the bad example of, oh, I see.
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It looks like you're writing a for loop.
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But there are patterns in code, right?
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And actually, libraries are kind of like that, right?
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Rather than go code up your own HTTP request library,
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it's like, well, you'd use one of the existing ones
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that we have.
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That's already a troubleshot, right?
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It's not AI, per se.
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It's just building better LEGO bricks, bigger LEGO bricks,
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that have more functionality in them,
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so people don't have to worry about the low level
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stuff as much anymore.
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Like, WordPress, for example, to me,
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is like a tool for somebody who isn't a programmer
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to do something.
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I mean, you can turn WordPress into anything.
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It's kind of crazy, actually, through plugins, right?
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And that's not programming, per se.
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It's just LEGO bricks stacking WordPress elements, right?
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And a little bit of configuration glue.
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So I would say, maybe in a broader sense, what I'm seeing,
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like, there'll be more gluing and less actual programming.
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And that's a good thing, right?
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Because most of the stuff you need
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is kind of out there already.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
You said 1970s, Unix.
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Do you see PHP and these kind of old remnants
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of the early birth of programming
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remaining with us for a long time?
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Like you said, Unix in itself.
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Do you see, ultimately, this stuff just being there
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out of momentum?
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I kind of do.
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I mean, I was a big believer in Windows early on.
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And I was a big, you know, I was like,
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Unix, what a waste of time.
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But over time, I've completely flipped on that,
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where I was like, okay, the Unix guys were right.
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And pretty much Microsoft and Windows were kind of wrong,
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at least on the server side.
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Now, on the desktop, right, you need a GUI,
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you need all that stuff.
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And you have the two philosophies,
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like Apple built on Unix, effectively, Darwin.
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And on the desktop, it's a slightly different story.
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But on the server side, where you're gonna be programming.
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Now, it's a question of where the programming's gonna be.
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There's gonna be a lot more like client side programming,
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because technically, discourse is client side programming.
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The way you get discourse,
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we deliver a big ball of JavaScript,
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which is then executed locally.
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So we're really using a lot more local computing power.
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We'll still retrieve the data, obviously,
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we have to display the posts on the screen and so forth.
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