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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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who proved the Fermat's last theorem.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#00:32:16.960
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So he just saw this recently
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#00:32:19.360
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and it kind of caught my eye a little bit.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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This is 358 years after it was conjectured.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So this is very simple formulation.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Everybody tried to prove it, everybody failed.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And so here's this guy comes along
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and eventually proves it and then fails to prove it
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and then proves it again in 94.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And he said like the moment when everything connected
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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into place in an interview said
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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it was so indescribably beautiful.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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That moment when you finally realize the connecting piece
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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of two conjectures.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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He said, it was so indescribably beautiful.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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It was so simple and so elegant.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I couldn't understand how I'd missed it.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And I just stared at it in disbelief for 20 minutes.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Then during the day, I walked around the department
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and I keep coming back to my desk
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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looking to see if it was still there.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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It was still there.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I couldn't contain myself.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I was so excited.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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It was the most important moment on my working life.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#00:33:12.880
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Nothing I ever do again will mean as much.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So that particular moment.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And it kind of made me think of what would it take?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And I think we have all been there at small levels.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Maybe let me ask, have you had a moment like that
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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in your life where you just had an idea?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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It's like, wow, yes.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I wouldn't mention myself in the same breath
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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as Andrew Wiles, but I've certainly had a number
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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of aha moments when I realized something very cool
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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about physics, which has completely made my head explode.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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In fact, some of my favorite discoveries I made later,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I later realized that they had been discovered earlier
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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by someone who sometimes got quite famous for it.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So it's too late for me to even publish it,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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but that doesn't diminish in any way.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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The emotional experience you have when you realize it,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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like, wow.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Yeah, so what would it take in that moment, that wow,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that was yours in that moment?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So what do you think it takes for an intelligence system,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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an AGI system, an AI system to have a moment like that?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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That's a tricky question
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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because there are actually two parts to it, right?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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One of them is, can it accomplish that proof?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Can it prove that you can never write A to the N
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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plus B to the N equals three to that equal Z to the N
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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for all integers, et cetera, et cetera,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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when N is bigger than two?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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That's simply a question about intelligence.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Can you build machines that are that intelligent?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And I think by the time we get a machine
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that can independently come up with that level of proofs,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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probably quite close to AGI.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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The second question is a question about consciousness.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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When will we, how likely is it that such a machine
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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will actually have any experience at all,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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as opposed to just being like a zombie?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And would we expect it to have some sort of emotional response
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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to this or anything at all akin to human emotion
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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where when it accomplishes its machine goal,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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it views it as somehow something very positive
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and sublime and deeply meaningful?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I would certainly hope that if in the future
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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we do create machines that are our peers
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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or even our descendants, that I would certainly
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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hope that they do have this sublime appreciation of life.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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In a way, my absolutely worst nightmare
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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would be that at some point in the future,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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the distant future, maybe our cosmos
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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is teeming with all this post biological life doing
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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all the seemingly cool stuff.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And maybe the last humans, by the time
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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our species eventually fizzles out,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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will be like, well, that's OK because we're
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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so proud of our descendants here.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And look what all the, my worst nightmare
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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is that we haven't solved the consciousness problem.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And we haven't realized that these are all the zombies.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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They're not aware of anything any more than a tape recorder
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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has any kind of experience.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So the whole thing has just become
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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a play for empty benches.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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That would be the ultimate zombie apocalypse.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So I would much rather, in that case,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that we have these beings which can really
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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appreciate how amazing it is.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And in that picture, what would be the role of creativity?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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A few people ask about creativity.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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When you think about intelligence,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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certainly the story you told at the beginning of your book
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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involved creating movies and so on, making money.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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You can make a lot of money in our modern world
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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with music and movies.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So if you are an intelligent system,
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