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Daniel Negreanu: Poker | Lex Fridman Podcast #324
Now this is not a typical thing you see people do,
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Daniel Negreanu: Poker | Lex Fridman Podcast #324
but he raised me to 36,000.
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Massive raise, bigger than the size of the pot.
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What was the flop again?
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Nine, seven, five, turn an ace.
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What is he representing exactly?
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Well, he could have a straight,
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he could have three, three of a kind.
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He could have, you know, aces up.
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He could have a whole bunch of hands.
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So he check raises me big to 36,000.
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I call the bet.
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So now there's something like 75,000.
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The river is a five.
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So the board pairs, okay?
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He thinks for a while and he bets all of it,
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which is three times the pot.
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He bets 225,000.
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There's only 75,000 out there, right?
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And in theory, he should never ever have a hand
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that can do that, right?
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So it confused me.
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And I was like, okay, well, this guy's aggressive.
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He likes to bluff and all this kind of stuff.
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So I made the call with the ace king
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and he turned over six, eight.
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So we had a straight, but here's the thing.
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In theory, that river card is bad for him.
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When I call the turn, I have a lot of the time,
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three of a kind, two pair that just made a full house.
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So he was risking that.
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And the reason he did it was
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because he thought I would perceive him to be bluffing a lot.
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So he just went for it and it worked.
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He was able to double up right away
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and knock me out of the tournament like an hour in.
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Do you think he thought you might fold?
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Like what is it?
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I think specific, I think it was, it came down to this.
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It's as simple as this.
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He was cognizant of his image
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as being a wild, aggressive bluffer, right?
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And he was fully taking advantage of me,
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knowing that my tendency in these spots is to be curious.
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And I want to call and I want to see it.
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So he was fully taking advantage of the fact
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that he thought I would call too often.
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Because otherwise his play makes no sense.
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A small bet, a medium sized bet, those make sense.
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But the bet that he made in theory is indefensible.
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It's just like clearly a mistake.
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But that's why poker is so fascinating
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because he makes this play and it wasn't a mistake.
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It was above the rim, is what it was.
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Do you think he put you on ace something?
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I think exactly what he thought I had,
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was ace king or something like that.
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You know?
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That is so fun.
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That is so fun that the two players at such a high level
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were able to mess with each other's mind.
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How old is he?
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Is he young?
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He's in his 20s, yeah.
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I feel like that takes a lot of guts
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to take risks like that.
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Well, that's what's great about him.
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He's certainly never accused
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of not having the guts to put it in.
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And that's scary to play against, right?
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The easiest opponent to play against
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is one who's just straightforward,
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passive, you know, not wild and crazy.
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Playing against him,
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he's going to put you in the blender, as we say.
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Yeah, how can you control
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what you're perceived as representing?
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What hand you're perceived of as representing?
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So if we're, if the game of modern poker is,
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others are representing certain hands
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through the information they convey,
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and you're representing a certain hand range, sorry,
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through your play, how can you control that?
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Or is that not, is that the wrong way to think about it?
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But isn't bluffing and bet sizing
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and all of that kind of stuff essentially controlling
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what others perceive as the hand range you have?
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Ultimately, in terms of like controlling
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people's perception of you, you can't fully control it,
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but you can do things to sway it, right?
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As I said earlier, showing bluffs and things like that,
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you know, leads your opponent to think
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maybe you do this more often than you're supposed to
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or whatever the case may be.
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But in terms of like controlling, you know,
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what your opponent can think about your hands
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in certain spots, I don't really think it equates that way.
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It doesn't really, you know, I think what people do
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when they're playing a hand is they think in terms of,
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all right, what does my range look like here?
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