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Daniel Negreanu: Poker | Lex Fridman Podcast #324
They don't look past the mistake and just let it,
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it's whatever.
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They're like, they want to correct it.
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And yeah, there's a tension, almost like a trade off.
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I wonder if that's always the case
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between sort of greatness and happiness.
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Daniel Negreanu: Poker | Lex Fridman Podcast #324
I remember Huck Seed, who, you know,
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when I was a kid growing up, he was like the poker idol.
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He won the world championship in 1996.
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And I was lucky enough to hang out with him a little bit.
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And he would go through these streaks
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where he had an A game and he had an F game.
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His A game was unparalleled.
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Nobody could beat him, right?
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But his F game was so terrible that he was just a fish.
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You know, he was playing terribly.
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And I remember him saying,
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and it was exactly what you're saying.
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He'd make like one little mistake, right?
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And then he would go off.
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And I was like, Huck, why do you do that?
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Like, you know, your B game would be just fine.
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He's like, well, if I'm gonna make a mistake,
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what's the point?
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What's the point, right?
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I'm trying.
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Like, if you can't play perfect,
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there's no point in playing at all.
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So he was extreme in that regard,
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in the way that he viewed it.
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And depending on the sport,
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those folks, like in chess, certainly the case,
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that kind of mindset can destroy you.
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Absolutely.
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No, I totally see that.
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Because of a sequence of mistakes.
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Like the kind of year you had
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with the well scissor poker
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can completely destroy a human being.
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If you're not able to see the bigger picture of it.
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Yeah.
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You said that Phil Ivey is the hardest,
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your toughest opponent,
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the toughest person to play against.
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Why is that?
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And how do you beat him?
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Because Phil Ivey's just,
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he's seeing things that nobody else has seen really.
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Like subtle things, where I'm putting my hands,
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where I'm looking, you know, my pulse,
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like stuff that I don't even know I'm giving off.
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He's so engaged and so focused
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and has such a, just a, he's fearless, right?
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A lot of people, you know,
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they'll play poker and be like,
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you know what?
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I don't think this guy has it.
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But do they have the guts?
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Do they have the cojones, if you will,
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to actually do anything about it?
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Right?
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And stand up to this person?
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He does.
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You know?
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I forgot the hand that you tweeted
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about the goat doing goat things.
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That wasn't even that big of a goat hand.
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But like, there's hands where like,
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there was a famous one in Australia
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where the flop was like jack, jack at nine
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and Phil check raised the flop with six, seven, nothing.
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Just absolutely nothing.
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And the guy re raised him, right?
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And Phil just knew.
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He went all in with nothing.
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If the guy calls, he's done, he's cooked.
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But he was so tuned in that this guy's not strong,
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that he just, you know, he did things like that.
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And it's tough to play against a guy like that.
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So he gets great reads and is able to execute on them,
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has the guts to execute on them.
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He's got experience, he's got work ethic.
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He also, I think one thing I'm underselling too,
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is his strategic mind, right?
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Like I believe that, you know, like I said,
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the new age player, they learn how to play
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through a very systematic approach.
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Okay, let's look at the data.
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Make up a game right now.
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Three cards, we each get three cards.
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Jacks are wild, sixes are, you know,
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six of hearts is wild, right?
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Just make up that game.
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Phil will figure it out intuitively,
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very, very quickly, right?
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Without having the answers for him, right?
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So that's like the difference
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between the players of my generation.
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We had to figure this stuff out on our own.
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Today, well, I wanna know the answer,
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