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Daniel Negreanu: Poker | Lex Fridman Podcast #324
I go ask the computer and the computer tells me.
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So I really believe like if you created a game from scratch
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that Phil Ivey would be my horse that I wanna play in it.
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So he's in some sense in tune with some deeper thing.
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He has what we used to call card sense.
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Card sense.
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Can you try to make the case for some others
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like Doyle Brunson, Phil Hellmuth, Daniel Negrano,
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and maybe one of the modern guys
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like Justin Bonomo or somebody like that?
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Sure, oh, so let's start with Doyle, okay?
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Like what Doyle has going for him above all,
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above and beyond is twofold, really.
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Longevity, I mean, he's in his late 80s.
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And last time I played with him, I was like,
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how is he getting better?
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Like I really felt like he was playing better
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than he had, you know, in the previous years.
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But also with Doyle, like Doyle had to figure,
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you know, we talked about my generation
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having to figure it on their own.
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I mean, they really had to figure it out on their own.
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Like they didn't have any computer simulation
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to tell you if Ace King was a favorite over pocket sixes.
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They didn't.
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So we know what he did.
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He would take a deck of cards and they would deal out,
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and they were with a notepad, right?
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Okay, Ace King won.
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And then they would do like a hundred of them
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and be like, all right, Ace King won like 53.
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So it must be a favorite.
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And he did it manually, you know?
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And he did it in a time when it was very, very difficult.
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And he's seen poker evolve and change throughout the years.
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Now, listen, is he gonna be able to compete
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against the top players in the world today?
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Absolutely not, you know?
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But how many people, he's the best 88 year old player
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in the world by a mile, okay?
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That's not even close.
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And Doyle, again, he's another guy who plays all the games.
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He's played high stakes cash, tournaments, you name it.
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He's iconic, you know, he's the godfather.
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So, but there's also an element to that.
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So the iconic element, like your personality in poker.
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I mean, not to romanticize this thing too much,
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but poker is also a game of personalities.
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I mean, it's part of the greatness
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is like the uniqueness of the human being.
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Yeah, I think also, yeah.
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I mean, if you'd like looking at it from that perspective
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in terms of like Goat,
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like Goat in terms of what you represent,
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like the cowboy, the godfather, you know,
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he's been around, you know,
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we played in the sixties and stuff like that.
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It's just something like incredibly cool.
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Like I often think about if I could go back in time
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and like visit, you know, an era,
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I'd love to go like to Vegas in the seventies
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and just like, I'm proud.
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I already, like, I can think of what it would smell like,
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probably not ideal, cigarettes and, you know,
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the leather jackets and just the vibe
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of what it must've been like with the mobsters
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and things like that.
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You know, he's lived through all that,
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all the cool movies we've seen.
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Like Doyle talks about some of those films.
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He's like, yeah, that guy,
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he said he was gonna stab me in my stomach.
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You know, he knows these people.
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It was, he's like a source of history, really.
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Yeah, when poker was a game for the mob
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and the degenerates and all that kind of stuff
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before it transitioned into professional sport.
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Yeah.
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Professional game.
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Yeah, so he was there through the whole thing.
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He's been there through the whole transition.
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He's seen it all, yeah.
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Yeah, and then to the online world.
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So what about,
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I can't even say without smiling, Phil Hellmuth.
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Okay, so Phil, here's the thing with Phil.
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He takes it very personal when I say this
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and he doesn't hear the compliment.
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He only hears the negativity.
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Because Phil wants to be considered
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the greatest of all time.
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Hashtag positive.
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He wants to be the greatest of all time.
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But I'm like, Phil, here's the facts.
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You have the best, absolute greatest resume
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at the World Series of Poker of anyone in the world.
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Is that not enough, right?
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That's what you have.
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You have that, right?
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Now, do I think you're the best
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