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Earlier this week, I spoke with the author of that story, Nicholas Thompson, who also wrote the new book, "The Hawk and the Dove: Paul Nitze, George Kennan, and the history of the Cold War." Thompson explained how Perimeter works. | earlier this week i spoke with the author of that story. nicholas thompson who also wrote the new book "the hawk and the dove: paul nitze george kennan and the history of the, cold war" thompson explained how; perimeter | Earlier this. week I spoke with the author of that story. Nicholas Thompson who also wrote the new, book "The Hawk and the Dove: Paul Nitze George Kennan and the history of the Cold War" Thompson explained how; Perimeter | earlier this week, i spoke with the author of that story, nicholas thompson, who also wrote the new book, "the hawk and the dove: paul nitze, george kennan, and the history of the cold war." thompson explained how perimeter works. |
If there's a crisis, somebody in the Defense Ministries has to turn it on, so that's the first step. It then tries to find evidence that there's been a nuclear hit on the Soviet Union. If it determines that there has been a hit, then it tries to communicate back to the Defense Ministries. And if it can talk to them, it... | if there's a crisis somebody in the defense ministries has to turn it on so that's the first; step it then tries to find evidence that there's been a nuclear hit on the soviet union if it determines that, there has been a hit then it tries to communicate back to the defense ministries and if it, can talk to them it say... | If there's a crisis somebody in the Defense Ministries has to turn it on so that's the first step It then tries to find, evidence that there's been a nuclear hit on the Soviet Union If it; determines that there has been a hit, then it tries. to communicate back to the Defense Ministries And if it can talk to; them it s... | if there's a crisis, somebody in the defense ministries has to turn it on, so that's the first step. it then tries to find evidence that there's been a nuclear hit on the soviet union. if it determines that there has been a hit, then it tries to communicate back to the defense ministries. and if it can talk to them, it... |
But if it can't communicate with them, then it knows there's been a crisis. We've been hit by a nuclear warhead and all the lines of communications with the Defense Ministries have been taken out. So now, we need to bypass all the traditional layers of command authority, and suddenly, the ability to launch a nuclear re... | but if it can't communicate with them then it knows there's been a crisis we've. been hit by a nuclear warhead and. all the lines of communications with the defense ministries have been taken out so now we need to bypass all. the traditional. layers of command authority and suddenly the ability to launch a nuclear reta... | But if it can't communicate with them then it knows. there's been a crisis We've, been hit by a nuclear warhead and all the lines. of communications with the Defense Ministries have, been taken out So now we need to bypass all the traditional layers of command authority and suddenly the ability. to launch a nuclear ret... | but if it can't communicate with them, then it knows there's been a crisis. we've been hit by a nuclear warhead and all the lines of communications with the defense ministries have been taken out. so now, we need to bypass all the traditional layers of command authority, and suddenly, the ability to launch a nuclear re... |
So suddenly, there's the capacity for the Soviet Union - even though the entire leadership is dead - to still strike back and destroy the United States. | so suddenly there's the capacity. for the soviet union - even though the entire leadership is dead - to still strike back and destroy the united | So suddenly. there's the capacity. for the Soviet Union, - even though the entire leadership is dead - to still strike back. and destroy the United | so suddenly, there's the capacity for the soviet union - even though the entire leadership is dead - to still strike back and destroy the united states. |
You did talk to many senior American officials: James Woolsey, former senior CIA director; George Shultz, the former secretary of state, who thought that this was a fantasy. They just didn't believe that anything like this existed. | you did talk to many senior american officials: james woolsey former senior cia director. george shultz the former secretary of state who thought that this was a fantasy they just didn't believe that anything, like this | You did talk, to many senior American officials: James Woolsey former senior CIA director George Shultz the former secretary of state. who thought that this was a fantasy They just; didn't. believe that. anything like this | you did talk to many senior american officials: james woolsey, former senior cia director; george shultz, the former secretary of state, who thought that this was a fantasy. they just didn't believe that anything like this existed. |
Well, once it's explained - I mean, they believed that it's real once there's evidence and once it's shown. But the amazing thing is that we weren't told about this system. George Shultz, secretary of state when this thing went online, he wasn't told. | well once it's explained - i mean; they believed that it's real once there's. evidence and once. it's. shown but the amazing thing, is that we weren't told about this system george shultz secretary of state when, this thing went online he wasn't | Well once it's explained - I mean they believed that it's real once there's evidence and once it's shown But the amazing thing is that we; weren't told about this system George Shultz secretary of state, when, this thing went online he wasn't | well, once it's explained - i mean, they believed that it's real once there's evidence and once it's shown. but the amazing thing is that we weren't told about this system. george shultz, secretary of state when this thing went online, he wasn't told. |
And okay, so now why didn't the Soviet Union tell us about it? | and. okay so now why didn't the soviet union tell us about. | And, okay so now why didn't the Soviet Union tell us, about | and okay, so now why didn't the soviet union tell us about it? |
Right. If it was supposed to be a deterrent, why didn't they tell us? | right if. it was supposed to be a deterrent why didn't they tell | Right If it was supposed to be a deterrent why didn't they tell | right. if it was supposed to be a deterrent, why didn't they tell us? |
And the reason they didn't tell us, there are a couple of reasons. One, they're extremely secretive. They didn't tell their own arms negotiators. Number two is if you tell the United States about it, there's a better chance that we could disable, or trick it, or destroy it. But then the third reason is that it wasn't b... | and the reason they didn't tell us there are a couple of reasons one they're extremely secretive they didn't tell their, own arms negotiators number two is if you tell the united states about it there's. a better chance that we could. disable or trick it or. destroy it, but. then the third reason is that, it wasn't bui... | And the, reason. they didn't, tell us there are a couple of reasons One they're extremely, secretive They didn't tell their own arms negotiators Number two, is if you tell the United States about it there's a better chance that we could disable or trick it or destroy it But then the third reason is that, it wasn't buil... | and the reason they didn't tell us, there are a couple of reasons. one, they're extremely secretive. they didn't tell their own arms negotiators. number two is if you tell the united states about it, there's a better chance that we could disable, or trick it, or destroy it. but then the third reason is that it wasn't b... |
Now, it might not be an American nuclear strike. It may be an eclipse or it may be a flock of geese. But they think they only have 10 minutes in order -whether to decide whether to retaliate before they're all killed. If you have this doomsday machine, it means you don't feel like you need to respond immediately. | now it might not be an american nuclear strike it may be an eclipse, or it may be; a flock of geese but they think they only have, 10 minutes, in order -whether to decide whether to retaliate before they're all killed if. you have this doomsday machine it. means you don't feel like you need to respond | Now it might not be an American nuclear strike It may be an eclipse or it may be a flock of geese But they think they only have 10 minutes in order. -whether to decide whether to retaliate before they're all killed If you have this doomsday machine it means you don't feel like you need to respond | now, it might not be an american nuclear strike. it may be an eclipse or it may be a flock of geese. but they think they only have 10 minutes in order -whether to decide whether to retaliate before they're all killed. if you have this doomsday machine, it means you don't feel like you need to respond immediately. |
Hmm | hmm | ||
You can wait and see whether the radars are correct and whether it really is a nuclear strike or whether it's a flock of geese. My sense is that overall, it made us safer. | you can wait and see whether the radars are correct and whether it really, is a nuclear strike or whether it's, a flock of geese my sense is that overall it made us | You can wait and, see whether the radars are correct and whether it really, is a nuclear strike or. whether it's a flock of geese My sense is that overall it made us | you can wait and see whether the radars are correct and whether it really is a nuclear strike or whether it's a flock of geese. my sense is that overall, it made us safer. |
I'm wondering how plausible that theory is, though? If SDI, the Strategic Defense Initiative, which became known as Star Wars, was very consciously designed as a deterrent and was publicized by the United States… | i'm wondering how plausible that theory is though? if, sdi the strategic defense initiative which became known, as star wars was very consciously. designed as a deterrent, and was publicized by the united; | I'm wondering. how plausible that theory is. though? If SDI the Strategic Defense Initiative which became known as Star Wars was very consciously designed as a deterrent and was publicized by the United | i'm wondering how plausible that theory is, though? if sdi, the strategic defense initiative, which became known as star wars, was very consciously designed as a deterrent and was publicized by the united states… |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
…as a deterrent, it seems odd that the Soviets wouldn't do the same with this. | …as a. deterrent, it seems odd that the soviets wouldn't do the same with. | …as. a deterrent it seems odd that the Soviets wouldn't do the same. with | …as a deterrent, it seems odd that the soviets wouldn't do the same with this. |
Well, the Soviets just thought a lot differently about deterrence theory than we did. I mean, the closest parallel is we had an airborne command center flight during the entire Cold War, so that if the Soviet Union blew up Washington, we could have responded. | well the soviets just thought a lot differently about deterrence theory than we did i mean the closest parallel is we had an airborne command center flight during the entire cold war so that if the soviet, union blew up washington, we could have | Well the Soviets just thought a lot differently about deterrence theory than we did I mean the closest. parallel is we had an airborne command. center flight during the entire Cold War so that, if the Soviet Union blew, up Washington we could have | well, the soviets just thought a lot differently about deterrence theory than we did. i mean, the closest parallel is we had an airborne command center flight during the entire cold war, so that if the soviet union blew up washington, we could have responded. |
We had airplanes in the sky 24 hours a day. | we had airplanes in, the sky, 24 hours a | We had airplanes in the sky 24 hours a | we had airplanes in the sky 24 hours a day. |
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Now, Spelman has been blessed with generous alums and donors, including Bill and Camille Cosby. What do you think separates Spelman from some of the colleges like Clark Atlanta and Morris Brown in the same region that may not be able to do same kind of fundraising? | now, spelman. has been blessed with generous. alums and. donors. including bill and camille cosby what; do you think, separates spelman. from some of; the colleges. like clark atlanta and morris brown in the, same region that may not be able to do same kind, of | Now Spelman has been blessed with generous alums and donors including Bill and Camille Cosby What do you think separates Spelman from some of the colleges. like Clark Atlanta and Morris Brown in the same, region that may not be, able to do same kind of | now, spelman has been blessed with generous alums and donors, including bill and camille cosby. what do you think separates spelman from some of the colleges like clark atlanta and morris brown in the same region that may not be able to do same kind of fundraising? |
Implied in your question is that Spelman is a wealthy institution. And what I like to say is that Spelman is a healthy institution. One of the reasons we are healthy is because we have a longstanding practice, a very disciplined practice of not spending money we don't have. So we have been blessed to have received gift... | implied in your question is that spelman is a wealthy institution and what i like to say is that, spelman. is a healthy institution one of the reasons we are healthy is because we have a longstanding. practice a very disciplined practice of not spending money. we don't have so we have been blessed, to have, received gi... | Implied in your question is that Spelman is a wealthy institution And what I like to say is that Spelman is a healthy institution One of the reasons. we are healthy is because. we have a longstanding, practice a very disciplined practice of not spending money we don't have So; we. have been blessed to have received gif... | implied in your question is that spelman is a wealthy institution. and what i like to say is that spelman is a healthy institution. one of the reasons we are healthy is because we have a longstanding practice, a very disciplined practice of not spending money we don't have. so we have been blessed to have received gift... |
But what is essential to any college's fiscal health, including the fiscal health of Spelman, is active alumnae participation. When you look at the alumnae rate of participation at Spelman College over a five-year period, it is 79 percent - which is fabulous. But if you look at it over an annual period, it's about 16 p... | but what is essential to any college's fiscal health including the fiscal health of spelman is active alumnae participation when you look at the alumnae rate of participation at spelman college over a five-year period it is. 79 percent - which is fabulous but if. you look at it over an annual period it's about | But what is essential to any. college's fiscal health including the fiscal health of Spelman is active alumnae participation When you look at the alumnae rate of participation at Spelman College over a five-year period it is 79 percent - which is fabulous But if you look, at it, over an annual period it's about | but what is essential to any college's fiscal health, including the fiscal health of spelman, is active alumnae participation. when you look at the alumnae rate of participation at spelman college over a five-year period, it is 79 percent - which is fabulous. but if you look at it over an annual period, it's about 16 p... |
One of the things that we are focused on is encouraging our alumnae to recognize that they need to give every year. It would certainly transform our ability to fund more of our students in terms of financial aid and scholarships. And I think it's a real education process. | one, of the things that we. are, focused on is encouraging our alumnae to recognize that they need to give every year it would certainly transform. our ability to fund more of our students in terms of financial aid and scholarships and i think it's a real education | One of the things that we, are focused on is encouraging our alumnae to recognize that they need to give every year It would certainly transform our ability to fund, more of our students. in terms of; financial aid and scholarships And I think. it's a real education | one of the things that we are focused on is encouraging our alumnae to recognize that they need to give every year. it would certainly transform our ability to fund more of our students in terms of financial aid and scholarships. and i think it's a real education process. |
Every school, I think, really needs to focus on this. And sometimes, you know, it takes money to raise money. It costs money to send up the mailings. It costs money to do the telethons. It costs money to do some of the things that more affluent, predominantly white institutions have been doing for many years. | every school i think really needs to focus on this and sometimes you know it takes money to raise money it costs money to send up. the mailings it costs money, to do, the telethons it costs money to do; some of the. things that more affluent predominantly white institutions have been doing for many | Every school I think really, needs to focus. on this And; sometimes you know. it takes money to raise money It costs money to send up the mailings It costs money to do the telethons It costs money to do some of the things that more affluent predominantly white institutions have been doing, for many | every school, i think, really needs to focus on this. and sometimes, you know, it takes money to raise money. it costs money to send up the mailings. it costs money to do the telethons. it costs money to do some of the things that more affluent, predominantly white institutions have been doing for many years. |
But Spelman, I think, is in a position to be a model for other historically black colleges in the sense that we are really focused on this. And we believe, if given the opportunity and given the information, our alumnae will respond to our every woman, every year effort. | but spelman i think is in a position to be a, model for other historically black colleges in the sense that we are really focused, on this and we believe if given the opportunity and given the information our alumnae will respond to our every woman every year. | But. Spelman I think, is in a position to be a, model for other historically black, colleges in the sense that we are really focused on. this And we believe if given. the, opportunity and given the information our alumnae will respond to our, every woman every year | but spelman, i think, is in a position to be a model for other historically black colleges in the sense that we are really focused on this. and we believe, if given the opportunity and given the information, our alumnae will respond to our every woman, every year effort. |
Moving beyond Spelman, how do you think a sort of systemic issue of funding historically black colleges and universities could be addressed? | moving beyond spelman how do you think a sort of systemic issue of funding historically black colleges and universities. could be | Moving beyond Spelman how do you think a sort, of. systemic issue of. funding historically black colleges and universities could be | moving beyond spelman, how do you think a sort of systemic issue of funding historically black colleges and universities could be addressed? |
Well, certainly, historically black colleges and universities have made a tremendous contribution to the education of our population, and that needs to be perhaps more widely acknowledged than it is. One of the things that you can say, if you look at the leadership of our African-American community, you will find that ... | well certainly historically black. colleges and universities have made a tremendous, contribution to the education of our population and that needs to be perhaps more widely, acknowledged than it is one of. the things that you can say if you look at. the leadership of our african-american community you will find that g... | Well certainly historically black colleges and, universities have made a tremendous contribution to, the education of our population and that needs to be perhaps more widely, acknowledged than it is One of the things that you can. say if you look, at the leadership of our African-American community you will find that g... | well, certainly, historically black colleges and universities have made a tremendous contribution to the education of our population, and that needs to be perhaps more widely acknowledged than it is. one of the things that you can say, if you look at the leadership of our african-american community, you will find that ... |
But the reality is in local communities, some of the smaller, perhaps lesser-known historically black colleges have been contributing greatly to that local economy in terms of taking students who are sometimes under-prepared because of the inequities of our K through 12 educational system and helping them move from, pe... | but the reality is in local communities some of the smaller perhaps lesser-known historically black colleges, have been contributing greatly to that local economy in terms of, taking students who are sometimes. under-prepared because of the inequities of our k through 12 educational system and helping them move from pe... | But the reality is in local communities some. of the smaller, perhaps lesser-known historically black colleges have been contributing; greatly to that local economy in terms of taking students who, are sometimes under-prepared, because of the inequities of our K through 12 educational system and helping them move from ... | but the reality is in local communities, some of the smaller, perhaps lesser-known historically black colleges have been contributing greatly to that local economy in terms of taking students who are sometimes under-prepared because of the inequities of our k through 12 educational system and helping them move from, pe... |
That's a very important legacy. It is true that there are some colleges that are really struggling. But it is important, I think, to continue to recognize that these colleges and universities are serving populations that do not have ready access to other institutions. And that's an important role. | that's a very important legacy it is true that there are some colleges that, are really struggling but it is important i think to continue to recognize. that these colleges and universities are serving populations that do not have ready access to, other institutions and that's an important | That's a very important legacy It is true that there are some colleges that are really struggling But it is important I think to continue to recognize that these colleges and universities are serving populations that do not have ready access to other institutions And that's an important, | that's a very important legacy. it is true that there are some colleges that are really struggling. but it is important, i think, to continue to recognize that these colleges and universities are serving populations that do not have ready access to other institutions. and that's an important role. |
You know, I'm thinking here, specifically about Morris Brown… | you know i'm thinking here specifically about morris | You know I'm thinking here. specifically about, Morris | you know, i'm thinking here, specifically about morris brown… |
Yes. | yes. | ||
…and it may be delicate for you to comment on other school, but that college - which is right in the same region as you - has had so much trouble financially and even academically. Is there any way to strengthen partnerships between historically black colleges and universities that are in the same region? How do you in... | …and it may be delicate for you to comment on other school but that college. - which. is right in the same region as you - has had so much trouble financially and even academically is there any way, to strengthen partnerships between. historically. black. colleges and universities that are in the same region? how do yo... | …and it may be delicate for you to comment, on other school but that college - which is right in, the same region. as you - has had so, much trouble financially and even. academically Is there any way to strengthen partnerships between historically black colleges and universities that are in the same region? How do you... | …and it may be delicate for you to comment on other school, but that college - which is right in the same region as you - has had so much trouble financially and even academically. is there any way to strengthen partnerships between historically black colleges and universities that are in the same region? how do you in... |
Absolutely. The Atlanta University Center Consortium represents Morehouse College, Spelman College, Clark Atlanta University, The Interdenominational Theological Center - which is also known as ITC - and Morehouse School of Medicine. Morris Brown, when it was an accredited institution, was also a member. Since it has l... | absolutely the atlanta university center consortium represents morehouse college spelman college clark atlanta university, the interdenominational theological center - which is also known as itc - and morehouse school of medicine morris brown when it. was an accredited institution was also a member. since it, has; lost... | Absolutely The Atlanta. University Center, Consortium represents Morehouse College Spelman College Clark Atlanta University The Interdenominational Theological, Center - which, is also, known as ITC - and Morehouse. School of Medicine Morris Brown when it was an accredited institution was, also. a member, Since it has ... | absolutely. the atlanta university center consortium represents morehouse college, spelman college, clark atlanta university, the interdenominational theological center - which is also known as itc - and morehouse school of medicine. morris brown, when it was an accredited institution, was also a member. since it has l... |
However, when we were all together as part of the Atlanta University Center Consortium and continuing - the schools that continue to be members - we do work together in a variety of ways. For example, Clark Atlanta, Morehouse College and Spelman College share a dual degree engineering program. | however when we were all. together as part of the atlanta, university center consortium and continuing - the schools that continue to be members - we do. work together in a variety of ways for example clark atlanta. morehouse college and spelman college, share a, dual degree engineering | However when we were all together as part of the Atlanta University Center Consortium and continuing - the schools that continue to be members - we do work together in. a variety of ways For example Clark Atlanta Morehouse College and Spelman College share a dual degree engineering | however, when we were all together as part of the atlanta university center consortium and continuing - the schools that continue to be members - we do work together in a variety of ways. for example, clark atlanta, morehouse college and spelman college share a dual degree engineering program. |
We have exchanged relationships with other schools - Georgia Tech, the University of Michigan, other engineering schools - but the office which supports those dual degree engineering students is collectively supported by the three undergraduate institutions of the Atlanta University Center. | we have exchanged relationships with other schools, - georgia tech the university of michigan other engineering schools - but the office which supports those dual degree engineering students is collectively supported by the three undergraduate institutions of the atlanta university | We have exchanged relationships with other. schools - Georgia Tech the University of Michigan other engineering schools - but the office which. supports those dual degree, engineering students is collectively supported by the three undergraduate institutions of the Atlanta University | we have exchanged relationships with other schools - georgia tech, the university of michigan, other engineering schools - but the office which supports those dual degree engineering students is collectively supported by the three undergraduate institutions of the atlanta university center. |
So we are able to save some money as the result of keeping out dollars together and combining resources in a variety of ways. But we are also part of a larger consortium of schools in the greater Atlanta area known as the Atlanta Regional Consortium of Higher Education, sometimes referred to as ARCH. | so we are able to save some money as the result. of; keeping out dollars together and combining resources in a variety of ways but we are also part of a larger consortium of schools in the greater atlanta area known as the atlanta regional consortium of, higher education sometimes referred to as | So we are able to save; some money. as the result of keeping out dollars together; and combining resources in a variety of ways But we are also part of a larger consortium; of schools in the greater Atlanta area known as the Atlanta, Regional Consortium of Higher Education sometimes referred to as | so we are able to save some money as the result of keeping out dollars together and combining resources in a variety of ways. but we are also part of a larger consortium of schools in the greater atlanta area known as the atlanta regional consortium of higher education, sometimes referred to as arch. |
And that's important, too, because historically black colleges do play an important role in higher education, but we are also part of the wider world of education. And we want to be in relationship with predominantly white institutions, as we are Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia Tech, Georgia State, Agnes Scott Col... | and that's important too because historically black colleges do play, an important. role in higher education but we are also. part of the wider world of education and we want to be in relationship with predominantly white institutions as we are emory university in atlanta georgia tech georgia, state agnes scott college... | And that's important too because historically black colleges do play an important role in higher education but we are also part of the wider world of education And we want to be in relationship with, predominantly; white, institutions as we are Emory, University in Atlanta Georgia Tech Georgia State Agnes Scott College... | and that's important, too, because historically black colleges do play an important role in higher education, but we are also part of the wider world of education. and we want to be in relationship with predominantly white institutions, as we are emory university in atlanta, georgia tech, georgia state, agnes scott col... |
Finally, in your book Why Are All the Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria, you provide a different perspective on what some people have called self-segregation. If someone is listening now who's heard everything you've had to say, but still isn't necessarily sold on the need for historically black colleges in ... | finally in your book why are all the, black kids sitting together, in the cafeteria you provide a different perspective on what some people, have called self-segregation if someone is. listening now who's heard. everything you've had to say but still; isn't necessarily sold on the need for. historically black, colleges... | Finally in your book Why Are All the. Black Kids Sitting Together in the. Cafeteria you provide a different perspective on what, some people have called self-segregation If, someone is listening now, who's heard everything you've had to say but still isn't necessarily sold on the need for historically black colleges in... | finally, in your book why are all the black kids sitting together in the cafeteria, you provide a different perspective on what some people have called self-segregation. if someone is listening now who's heard everything you've had to say, but still isn't necessarily sold on the need for historically black colleges in ... |
Right. And that's actually, in its effect, not that different from Soviet doomsday response machine. But there's a big difference, we told the Soviets about it because we wanted to deter them from striking. They didn't tell us because of all these other issues. | right and that's actually in its effect not that, different from soviet doomsday response machine but there's a big. difference we told the soviets; about it because we. wanted to deter them from striking they didn't tell us because of. all these other | Right And that's actually in its effect not that different from Soviet doomsday response machine But there's a big difference we told the Soviets about it because we wanted to deter them. from striking They didn't tell us because. of. all these other | right. and that's actually, in its effect, not that different from soviet doomsday response machine. but there's a big difference, we told the soviets about it because we wanted to deter them from striking. they didn't tell us because of all these other issues. |
If we think about the college years as a time when you are really exploring who you are, what you hope to be, how you want to define yourself and if you are from a group that has been historically marginalized and undervalued, having the opportunity to attend a school where - as I said earlier, you are at the center of... | if we, think about the college years, as a time when you are really exploring who you are, what you hope to be how you. want to define yourself and if you are, from a group that has; been historically marginalized. and undervalued having, the. opportunity; to attend a school where - as i said earlier you are at the cen... | If we think about the college years, as a time, when you are really exploring who you are what you hope to be how you want to define yourself and if you are from a group that has been historically marginalized and undervalued having the opportunity. to attend a school where - as I said earlier you are at the. center of... | if we think about the college years as a time when you are really exploring who you are, what you hope to be, how you want to define yourself and if you are from a group that has been historically marginalized and undervalued, having the opportunity to attend a school where - as i said earlier, you are at the center of... |
I think recognizing that important exploration of identity and what it means to be thinking about who you are, who you can be in the world at a particular moment in your development as a young adult is really critical. Certainly, when we think about opportunities for young people to get to know each other across racial... | i think recognizing. that important exploration of identity and what it means to be thinking about who you are who you can be in the world at a particular moment in your development as a young adult is really critical certainly when we think about opportunities, for young people. to get to know each other across racial... | I. think recognizing that important exploration of identity and what it means to be. thinking about who you, are who you can be in the world at a particular moment in your development as a young adult, is really critical Certainly when we think about opportunities for young people to get to know each other across racia... | i think recognizing that important exploration of identity and what it means to be thinking about who you are, who you can be in the world at a particular moment in your development as a young adult is really critical. certainly, when we think about opportunities for young people to get to know each other across racial... |
It's important K through 12, I think, for us to provide schools that are racially integrated. But just as women's colleges are still important because of the confidence building that they provide for women during a critical period during their young adult years, in the same way I think we can point to historically blac... | it's important k through 12, i think for us to provide schools that are racially integrated but just as women's colleges are still. important, because, of the confidence building that they provide for women during a critical period during their young adult years in the same way, i think we can point to historically bla... | It's important K through 12, I think for us to provide schools that are racially integrated But just as women's. colleges. are still important, because of the confidence building. that they provide for women during a critical period. during their young adult years in the same way; I think we can point to historically; ... | it's important k through 12, i think, for us to provide schools that are racially integrated. but just as women's colleges are still important because of the confidence building that they provide for women during a critical period during their young adult years, in the same way i think we can point to historically blac... |
Now I will say that, you know, I myself attended a predominantly white institution as a college student. I benefited from that experience. But I can see clearly the value that our students at Spelman are experiencing, and I can see some of the disadvantages that my own children have experienced in predominantly white e... | now i will say. that you know i myself attended a predominantly white institution as a college student i benefited from that experience but i can see clearly the value that our students at spelman are experiencing and i can, see some of the disadvantages that my own children have experienced in predominantly white envi... | Now I will say that you know I myself attended a predominantly white institution as a college student. I benefited from. that experience But I, can see clearly the value that our students at Spelman are experiencing and I can. see some of the, disadvantages, that my own children have experienced in predominantly white ... | now i will say that, you know, i myself attended a predominantly white institution as a college student. i benefited from that experience. but i can see clearly the value that our students at spelman are experiencing, and i can see some of the disadvantages that my own children have experienced in predominantly white e... |
Well, President Tatum, thank you so much. | well president tatum thank you so | Well President Tatum thank you so | well, president tatum, thank you so much. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
That was NPR's Farai Chideya talking with President Beverly Daniel Tatum of Spelman College. She's also the author of books, including Why Are All the Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria? And Other Conversations About Race. | that was npr's farai. chideya talking with president beverly. daniel tatum of spelman college she's also the author of books including, why are all the black kids sitting together in. the cafeteria? and other conversations about | That was NPR's Farai Chideya talking with President Beverly Daniel Tatum of Spelman College She's, also the author of books, including Why Are All the Black Kids Sitting Together in, the Cafeteria? And Other Conversations About | that was npr's farai chideya talking with president beverly daniel tatum of spelman college. she's also the author of books, including why are all the black kids sitting together in the cafeteria? and other conversations about race. |
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Just two days before saxophonist and composer Miguel Zenon went into the studio to record his new album, Hurricane Maria hit his native island of Puerto Rico. | just two days before saxophonist and composer miguel zenon went into the studio to record. his new album hurricane maria hit his native island of, puerto | Just two days, before, saxophonist and composer, Miguel Zenon went. into the studio to record his new album Hurricane Maria hit. his native island of Puerto | just two days before saxophonist and composer miguel zenon went into the studio to record his new album, hurricane maria hit his native island of puerto rico. |
(SOUNDBITE OF MIGUEL ZENON'S "ROSARIO") | (soundbite of miguel zenon's, | (SOUNDBITE OF. MIGUEL ZENON'S | (soundbite of miguel zenon's "rosario") |
During session breaks, Zenon called family and friends for news about the devastation back home. NPR's Michelle Mercer says the resulting album "Yo Soy La Tradicion" - or "I Am The Tradition" - has the MacArthur genius's trademark originality, but the natural disaster also gives it emotional urgency. | during session breaks zenon called family and friends for, news about the devastation back home npr's michelle mercer says the resulting album "yo soy la tradicion" - or "i am the tradition" - has the macarthur genius's trademark originality but the natural disaster also gives it emotional | During session breaks Zenon called family and friends for news about the devastation back home NPR's; Michelle Mercer says the resulting album "Yo Soy La Tradicion" - or "I Am The Tradition" - has the MacArthur genius's trademark, originality but the natural disaster also gives it emotional | during session breaks, zenon called family and friends for news about the devastation back home. npr's michelle mercer says the resulting album "yo soy la tradicion" - or "i am the tradition" - has the macarthur genius's trademark originality, but the natural disaster also gives it emotional urgency. |
Miguel Zenon had already planned for his 11th album to shed light on Puerto Rico. He's recorded many adaptations of its folk music in the past. In this new eight-part suite for saxophone and string quartet, he showcases a different cultural tradition in each piece. | miguel zenon had already planned for. his 11th album to shed light on puerto rico he's, recorded many adaptations of its folk, music in the past in this new eight-part suite for saxophone, and string quartet he, showcases a different cultural tradition in each | Miguel Zenon had already planned for, his 11th album to, shed light on Puerto Rico He's recorded many adaptations of its folk music. in the past In this new eight-part suite for saxophone and string quartet, he showcases a different cultural tradition in each | miguel zenon had already planned for his 11th album to shed light on puerto rico. he's recorded many adaptations of its folk music in the past. in this new eight-part suite for saxophone and string quartet, he showcases a different cultural tradition in each piece. |
(SOUNDBITE OF MIGUEL ZENON'S "ROSARIO") | (soundbite of miguel zenon's | (SOUNDBITE OF MIGUEL ZENON'S | (soundbite of miguel zenon's "rosario") |
This one, "Rosario," is inspired by a holy rosary, traditionally played on folk instruments at funerals and other occasions. Zenon is always a soulful player. But with the hurricane hitting so close to the session, his performance here with the Spektral Quartet took on special feeling. They play his adaptation's intens... | this one "rosario" is inspired by a holy rosary traditionally played on folk instruments at funerals and other occasions zenon is. always a soulful player but with the hurricane hitting so close to the session his performance here, with the spektral quartet took on special feeling. they, play his adaptation's intense. ... | This one "Rosario" is inspired by a holy rosary traditionally played, on folk. instruments at funerals and other occasions Zenon is always a soulful player But, with the hurricane hitting so close to the session his. performance here with the Spektral Quartet took on special. feeling They play his adaptation's intense ... | this one, "rosario," is inspired by a holy rosary, traditionally played on folk instruments at funerals and other occasions. zenon is always a soulful player. but with the hurricane hitting so close to the session, his performance here with the spektral quartet took on special feeling. they play his adaptation's intens... |
(SOUNDBITE OF MIGUEL ZENON'S "ROSARIO") | (soundbite, of miguel zenon's | (SOUNDBITE OF MIGUEL ZENON'S | (soundbite of miguel zenon's "rosario") |
Zenon is blurring lines here between jazz, classical and Puerto Rican folk music. For that name, he finds much affinity with Spektral, an engaging quartet well-versed in contemporary music. Zenon's classical minimalism can be complex. With such skilled musicians playing their hearts out though, even dense ideas unfold ... | zenon is blurring lines here between jazz classical and puerto rican folk music for that name he finds much affinity with spektral an engaging quartet well-versed in contemporary music zenon's, classical minimalism can be complex with such skilled musicians playing their hearts out though. even dense ideas unfold in a.... | Zenon is blurring lines here between jazz classical and Puerto. Rican folk music For, that name he finds much affinity with, Spektral an engaging quartet well-versed in contemporary music Zenon's classical minimalism, can be complex With such skilled musicians playing their hearts out though even dense ideas, unfold in... | zenon is blurring lines here between jazz, classical and puerto rican folk music. for that name, he finds much affinity with spektral, an engaging quartet well-versed in contemporary music. zenon's classical minimalism can be complex. with such skilled musicians playing their hearts out though, even dense ideas unfold ... |
(SOUNDBITE OF MIGUEL ZENON'S "CADENAS") | (soundbite of miguel zenon's | (SOUNDBITE OF MIGUEL ZENON'S, | (soundbite of miguel zenon's "cadenas") |
The most bucolic song on the album "Viejo" is based on a type of rural folk music. Zenon's saxophone goes cinematic here, gliding above the strings and sweeping down to move among them. | the most bucolic song on the album "viejo" is based on. a type of rural folk, music; zenon's, saxophone goes cinematic here gliding. above the strings and. sweeping down to move among | The most. bucolic song on the album "Viejo" is based on a type of rural folk music Zenon's saxophone. goes cinematic here gliding above the strings and sweeping. down. to move among | the most bucolic song on the album "viejo" is based on a type of rural folk music. zenon's saxophone goes cinematic here, gliding above the strings and sweeping down to move among them. |
(SOUNDBITE OF MIGUEL ZENON'S "VIEJO") | (soundbite of miguel zenon's | (SOUNDBITE OF MIGUEL ZENON'S | (soundbite of miguel zenon's "viejo") |
It's as if he's intreating us to take a closer look at Puerto Rican culture. | it's as. if he's intreating us to take a closer look. at puerto rican | It's as if he's intreating us to take a closer. look at Puerto Rican | it's as if he's intreating us to take a closer look at puerto rican culture. |
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With "Yo Soy La Tradicion," Miguel Zenon isn't just waving a musical flag for Puerto Rico. He's composed it's deep traditions into new musical landscapes. And recording so soon after Hurricane Maria hit, the resulting album is an imaginative and heartfelt tour of his homeland. | with "yo. soy, la tradicion" miguel zenon, isn't just waving a musical flag for puerto rico he's composed it's deep traditions into new musical landscapes and recording so soon after hurricane maria. hit the resulting album is an imaginative and heartfelt; tour of, his | With "Yo Soy La Tradicion" Miguel Zenon isn't just waving a musical, flag for Puerto Rico He's composed it's deep traditions into new musical landscapes And recording so soon. after Hurricane Maria hit the resulting album is an imaginative. and heartfelt tour of his | with "yo soy la tradicion," miguel zenon isn't just waving a musical flag for puerto rico. he's composed it's deep traditions into new musical landscapes. and recording so soon after hurricane maria hit, the resulting album is an imaginative and heartfelt tour of his homeland. |
(SOUNDBITE OF MIGUEL ZENON'S "VIEJO") | (soundbite of miguel zenon's | (SOUNDBITE OF MIGUEL. ZENON'S | (soundbite of miguel zenon's "viejo") |
The album by Miguel Zenon is "Yo Soy La Tradicion." Our reviewer was Michelle Mercer. | the album by, miguel zenon is "yo soy la tradicion" our; reviewer was michelle, | The album by Miguel Zenon is. "Yo. Soy La Tradicion" Our reviewer was Michelle | the album by miguel zenon is "yo soy la tradicion." our reviewer was michelle mercer. |
This is SCIENCE FRIDAY from NPR. I'm Ira Flatow. | this is science friday from. npr i'm ira | This is SCIENCE FRIDAY. from NPR, I'm Ira, | this is science friday from npr. i'm ira flatow. |
Has your life become loaded or overloaded with information? I mean, if you're anything like me, you've got tweets popping up, Skype chats going on, emails pinging. All the while, you're trying to get some work done and follow Steve's iPhone presentation, and of course, then your phone rings. | has your life become loaded or overloaded with information? i mean if you're anything like me, you've got tweets popping up skype chats going on emails, pinging all the while you're trying to, get some work done and follow steve's iphone presentation and; of course then. your phone | Has your life become loaded or overloaded with information? I mean if you're anything like me you've got tweets popping, up Skype chats going on emails pinging All the while you're trying to get some work done and follow Steve's iPhone presentation and of course then. your phone | has your life become loaded or overloaded with information? i mean, if you're anything like me, you've got tweets popping up, skype chats going on, emails pinging. all the while, you're trying to get some work done and follow steve's iphone presentation, and of course, then your phone rings. |
We are living in the age of multitasking, but is our brain actually capable of taking it all in without losing something in the process? And are you as good at juggling all these streams of information as you think you are? | we are living in. the age of multitasking but is our brain, actually capable. of taking it all in without losing something in, the process? and are. you as, good at juggling all these streams of information as. you think you | We, are living in the. age of, multitasking, but, is; our brain actually capable of taking it all, in without losing something in the process? And, are you as good at juggling, all these, streams. of information, as you think you | we are living in the age of multitasking, but is our brain actually capable of taking it all in without losing something in the process? and are you as good at juggling all these streams of information as you think you are? |
The promise of the paperless office produced more paper than ever before. Are we seeing another sea change? The online world, which promised to make us more productive, is it actually distracting us too much? | the promise of the paperless office produced. more. paper than ever before are we seeing another sea change? the online world which promised to make us more productive is it actually distracting us too, | The promise of the paperless office produced more paper than ever. before Are we seeing another sea change? The online world which promised to, make us more productive is, it actually distracting us too | the promise of the paperless office produced more paper than ever before. are we seeing another sea change? the online world, which promised to make us more productive, is it actually distracting us too much? |
Kids today have grown up texting from the dinner table. Is multitasking hurting their ability to focus not just on their homework but on people, as well? You know, it used to be rude if someone text from the dinner table, but it seems like, well, that's becoming commonplace. | kids today have grown up. texting, from the dinner table is multitasking hurting their ability to. focus not just on their homework but on people as, well? you know it used to be rude if someone text from, the dinner table but it seems like, well that's becoming | Kids today have grown up texting from the dinner table, Is multitasking hurting their ability. to, focus not just on their, homework but on people as well? You know it used to be, rude if, someone text from the dinner table but it; seems like well that's becoming | kids today have grown up texting from the dinner table. is multitasking hurting their ability to focus not just on their homework but on people, as well? you know, it used to be rude if someone text from the dinner table, but it seems like, well, that's becoming commonplace. |
...I do believe that they are the number one indicator or predictor of the life of food versus throwing it away. | ...i do believe that they are the number one indicator or predictor of the life of food versus throwing it | ...I do believe. that they are the number one indicator or predictor of, the, life of. food. versus, throwing, it | ...i do believe that they are the number one indicator or predictor of the life of food versus throwing it away. |
The system is still in place. It's not on, as far as I understand, it's not on hair-trigger alert. It doesn't play the same central role in Russian nuclear strategy that it played under Soviet nuclear strategy. But according to people we - the people I've talked to, lots of them, many of whom would know, it's still the... | the system is still. in place it's not on as far as i understand it's not on hair-trigger alert it doesn't play; the same central role in russian nuclear strategy that it played under soviet nuclear strategy but according to people we - the people i've talked to lots of them many of whom would know it's still | The system is still in. place It's not on as far as I understand it's not on hair-trigger alert It doesn't play the same central role in, Russian nuclear strategy that it played under Soviet nuclear strategy But according to people we - the people I've talked to lots of, them many of whom would know it's still | the system is still in place. it's not on, as far as i understand, it's not on hair-trigger alert. it doesn't play the same central role in russian nuclear strategy that it played under soviet nuclear strategy. but according to people we - the people i've talked to, lots of them, many of whom would know, it's still the... |
Nicholas Thompson is a senior editor at Wired magazine and the author of the new book "The Hawk and the Dove: Paul Nitze, George Kennan and the History of the Cold War." He joined us from New York. | nicholas thompson is a senior editor, at wired magazine and the author of; the new book "the hawk and the dove: paul, nitze george kennan and the history of the cold war" he joined us, from new | Nicholas Thompson is a. senior editor at Wired magazine and the author of the new book "The Hawk, and the. Dove: Paul Nitze. George Kennan and the History of, the Cold War" He joined us, from New | nicholas thompson is a senior editor at wired magazine and the author of the new book "the hawk and the dove: paul nitze, george kennan and the history of the cold war." he joined us from new york. |
Mr. Thompson, thank you. | mr thompson thank | Mr Thompson thank | mr. thompson, thank you. |
Thanks a lot for having me here. | thanks a lot for having me | Thanks a lot for having me, | thanks a lot for having me here. |
This is MORNING EDITION from NPR News. I'm Steve Inskeep. | this is morning edition from npr news. i'm steve | This is MORNING EDITION from. NPR News I'm Steve | this is morning edition from npr news. i'm steve inskeep. |
And I'm Renee Montagne. | and i'm renee | And; I'm. Renee | and i'm renee montagne. |
Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast more than two months ago. In Mississippi, officers in the Biloxi Police Department are feeling the effect of those traumatic days still. In our third report on mental health after the storm, NPR's Alix Spiegel reports many members of that police force are strug... | hurricane katrina, hit the gulf coast more than two months ago in mississippi officers in the biloxi; police department are feeling the effect of those traumatic days still. in our third report on, mental health after the storm, npr's. alix spiegel reports many members, of that police force are st... | Hurricane Katrina. hit the Gulf Coast more than two months, ago In Mississippi. officers. in the, Biloxi. Police. Department are feeling the effect of those. traumatic days still In our third report on mental health after the storm NPR's Alix Spiegel reports many members of that police force are s... | hurricane katrina hit the gulf coast more than two months ago. in mississippi, officers in the biloxi police department are feeling the effect of those traumatic days still. in our third report on mental health after the storm, npr's alix spiegel reports many members of that police force are strug... |
The Biloxi Police Department allowed its officers to stay wherever they pleased the night Katrina hit, and patrolman John Campbell elected to sleep at his house with his wife. Campbell has been an officer for decades and is, to say the very least, usually a cool customer. So he was unfazed when hi... | the biloxi police department allowed its officers to stay wherever they pleased the night katrina hit and patrolman john campbell. elected to sleep, at his. house with his wife campbell has been an officer for decades and is to, say, the very least usually a cool customer so he was unfazed when hi... | The, Biloxi Police Department allowed its officers to stay wherever they pleased the night Katrina hit and patrolman John Campbell elected to; sleep at his house with his. wife Campbell has been an officer for decades and is to. say the very least usually a cool customer So he was unfazed when his... | the biloxi police department allowed its officers to stay wherever they pleased the night katrina hit, and patrolman john campbell elected to sleep at his house with his wife. campbell has been an officer for decades and is, to say the very least, usually a cool customer. so he was unfazed when hi... |
I said, `It's just rainwater. Don't worry about it,' you know? I don't show a lot of emotion normally, and I really don't get excited about things. | i said `it's just, rainwater don't worry. about it' you know? i don't show a lot of emotion normally and i really; don't get excited about | I said `It's just rainwater Don't worry about it' you, know? I. don't show a lot of, emotion normally and I really don't get excited about | i said, `it's just rainwater. don't worry about it,' you know? i don't show a lot of emotion normally, and i really don't get excited about things. |
Campbell grudgingly consented to help carry household items to the second floor, and a short while later, his wife called him again. | campbell grudgingly; consented to help carry, household items, to the second floor; and a short while later his. wife called him | Campbell grudgingly consented to. help. carry household items to the second floor and a short while later his; wife called him | campbell grudgingly consented to help carry household items to the second floor, and a short while later, his wife called him again. |
So I come back downstairs. I said, `What's the problem?' She says, `We have a fire.' I said, `What do you mean, we got a fire?' She says, `Fire, burn, in the garage.' So I said, `Great.' Now we can't go upstairs because right over the garage is the upstairs bedroom where we were going to take sh... | so, i come back downstairs, i said `what's. the problem?' she says `we have a fire' i said `what do you mean we, got a fire?' she says `fire, burn in the garage' so i, said `great' now we can't go upstairs because right over the garage is the upstairs bedroom where we were going to take shelter ... | So I come back, downstairs I said `What's the problem?' She says `We have a fire' I said `What do you mean we got a fire?' She says `Fire burn in the garage' So I said `Great' Now, we can't go upstairs because right over the. garage is the upstairs bedroom, where we were going to take shelter Y... | so i come back downstairs. i said, `what's the problem?' she says, `we have a fire.' i said, `what do you mean, we got a fire?' she says, `fire, burn, in the garage.' so i said, `great.' now we can't go upstairs because right over the garage is the upstairs bedroom where we were going to take sh... |
Campbell radioed his emergency operations center to report he was leaving. Then he and his wife decided to go to their next-door neighbor's, but by this time, the water outside had risen about seven feet. | campbell radioed his, emergency operations center to report he. was leaving then he, and his wife decided to go to. their next-door neighbor's but by, this. time the water outside had risen about seven | Campbell radioed his emergency operations center to; report he, was leaving Then he and his; wife decided to go to their next-door neighbor's but by, this time the water outside had risen about seven. | campbell radioed his emergency operations center to report he was leaving. then he and his wife decided to go to their next-door neighbor's, but by this time, the water outside had risen about seven feet. |
So we're swimming over to my friend's when my wife went underwater. One of the oak trees that had fallen, she got caught up into that. And she--I don't know whether she got sucked under or--but she went underwater. And she was too far from me for me to help her right away. | so we're swimming over to my, friend's when my wife went underwater one of the oak trees that had fallen she got caught up into that and she--i don't know whether she got sucked under or--but. she went underwater and she was too far, from me for me to help her right | So we're swimming over to my friend's when my wife went underwater One of the oak trees that had fallen she. got caught up into that And, she--I don't know whether she got sucked under or--but she went underwater And she was too far. from me for me to. help her right | so we're swimming over to my friend's when my wife went underwater. one of the oak trees that had fallen, she got caught up into that. and she--i don't know whether she got sucked under or--but she went underwater. and she was too far from me for me to help her right away. |
Out of nowhere, Campbell said, his 70-year-old neighbor appeared and helped drag his wife to safety. The neighbor then tried to return to his own house, but in the process got caught in some debris and couldn't make it. | out of nowhere campbell said his 70-year-old neighbor appeared and, helped drag, his wife to safety the neighbor then tried to return to his own house but in the process got, caught in some debris and couldn't, make | Out of nowhere Campbell said his 70-year-old neighbor. appeared and helped drag his wife to safety The neighbor then tried to return to his own house but. in the process got caught in some debris and couldn't make | out of nowhere, campbell said, his 70-year-old neighbor appeared and helped drag his wife to safety. the neighbor then tried to return to his own house, but in the process got caught in some debris and couldn't make it. |
So I jumped in and I broke up the debris and I pulled him to the house, and when I got upstairs, I lost my wedding ring and I showed it to my wife, that I didn't have it, and she just lost it. | so. i jumped in and i broke up the debris and i pulled him to the house and when i got upstairs i lost my wedding ring and i showed. it to my wife that i didn't have it and she just lost | So I jumped in and I broke up the debris and I pulled, him to the house and when I got; upstairs I lost my wedding ring and I showed it to. my wife that I didn't have it and she just lost | so i jumped in and i broke up the debris and i pulled him to the house, and when i got upstairs, i lost my wedding ring and i showed it to my wife, that i didn't have it, and she just lost it. |
It was small thing, but somehow in the turmoil of the storm, it represented something larger, their life together. Campbell tried to calm his wife down, then told her that because he had radioed to the station that he was in danger, his fellow officers would be trying to reach them, and he had to l... | it was small thing but somehow in the turmoil of, the storm it represented something larger their life together campbell tried to calm his wife down then told her that because he had radioed to the station that he, was in danger his fellow officers would be trying to, reach them; and he had to leav... | It was small thing but somehow, in the turmoil of the storm it represented something larger their life together Campbell tried to calm his wife down then told her that because he had radioed to; the station that he was in danger his fellow officers would be trying, to reach them and he had to leave... | it was small thing, but somehow in the turmoil of the storm, it represented something larger, their life together. campbell tried to calm his wife down, then told her that because he had radioed to the station that he was in danger, his fellow officers would be trying to reach them, and he had to l... |
I knew that they would risk their lives for me, and I couldn't let them do that. She said, `How long do I wait before I get worried?' And I said, `Give me an hour.' | i knew that they would risk their lives for me and i. couldn't let them do that she said `how long do i wait before i get worried?' and i said `give me. an | I knew that they would, risk. their lives for me and I couldn't let them do that She said `How long do I wait before I get worried?' And I said, `Give me an | i knew that they would risk their lives for me, and i couldn't let them do that. she said, `how long do i wait before i get worried?' and i said, `give me an hour.' |
Campbell swam, found the officers and returned two hours later to find his wife near distraction. Together, they sat out the rest of the storm in their neighbor's house until late afternoon, when a fellow officer came to tell John it was time to return to duty. | campbell swam found the officers and returned two hours later, to find his wife near distraction together they sat out the rest of the storm in their neighbor's, house until late afternoon when a fellow officer came to tell john it, was time to, return to | Campbell swam found the officers and returned two hours later; to. find. his wife near distraction Together they sat, out, the rest of the storm in their neighbor's house until late afternoon when a fellow officer, came to tell John it was time to return to | campbell swam, found the officers and returned two hours later to find his wife near distraction. together, they sat out the rest of the storm in their neighbor's house until late afternoon, when a fellow officer came to tell john it was time to return to duty. |
He said, `Come on, John, it's time to go.' I said, `I'm not going.' I'm not--I wasn't going to leave my wife. I'm retired military. Any time they asked me to go, I went. But this time, after all that my wife had been through, I wasn't going to leave my wife without her saying, `It's OK.' And my... | he said `come on john it's time to go' i said `i'm. not going' i'm not--i wasn't going to leave my wife i'm retired military, any time they asked me to go i went but this, time. after, all that my wife had been through i wasn't going. to, leave, my, wife without her, saying, `it's ok' and my wi... | He said `Come on John it's time to go' I said `I'm not going' I'm not--I wasn't going. to leave my wife I'm retired military Any time they asked me to go I went But this time after all that my wife had been through I wasn't going to leave my wife without her saying `It's OK' And. my wife said `... | he said, `come on, john, it's time to go.' i said, `i'm not going.' i'm not--i wasn't going to leave my wife. i'm retired military. any time they asked me to go, i went. but this time, after all that my wife had been through, i wasn't going to leave my wife without her saying, `it's ok.' and my... |
Campbell did return to duty, weeks of constant work, and two months later, Campbell says it's still a daily struggle to control his emotions. | campbell did return. to duty weeks of constant work and two months later. campbell says it's still a daily struggle to control his | Campbell did, return to duty weeks of constant work and two, months later Campbell says it's still, a daily struggle to control. his | campbell did return to duty, weeks of constant work, and two months later, campbell says it's still a daily struggle to control his emotions. |
I'm kind of surprised that I'm acting like this. I'm still feeling emotional about it. When I talk about it, it's like it just happened. | i'm. kind, of; surprised that i'm acting like this i'm still feeling emotional about it, when i, talk about it it's like it just; | I'm kind, of. surprised that I'm acting like. this I'm still feeling emotional about it When I talk about it it's like it just; | i'm kind of surprised that i'm acting like this. i'm still feeling emotional about it. when i talk about it, it's like it just happened. |
Campbell is in charge of the Biloxi bomb squad. He says he can walk up to a suspected explosive with no emotion, which is why his current situation is so unnerving. | campbell is. in charge of the biloxi bomb squad he says he can. walk up to a suspected. explosive with no emotion which is why his current situation is so | Campbell is in charge of the Biloxi bomb squad He says he can walk up to a suspected explosive with no emotion which is why his current situation is so | campbell is in charge of the biloxi bomb squad. he says he can walk up to a suspected explosive with no emotion, which is why his current situation is so unnerving. |
You know, I would expect, two months afterwards, to be able to talk about it just like a--you know, just like a policeman, professional, detached. But for some reason, it still gets to me. | you know i would expect two months afterwards to be. able, to talk about it just like a--you know just like a policeman professional detached but for. some reason it still gets to | You know I would expect two months afterwards to be able to talk about it, just like a--you know just like a. policeman professional detached But for some reason. it still gets to | you know, i would expect, two months afterwards, to be able to talk about it just like a--you know, just like a policeman, professional, detached. but for some reason, it still gets to me. |
And Campbell isn't the only one. Sherry Hokamp(ph) is in charge of all emergency dispatchers in the Biloxi department, the people who accept 911 calls. | and campbell isn't the only one sherry hokamp(ph) is in charge of all; emergency dispatchers in the biloxi department the people who accept | And Campbell isn't the only one Sherry Hokamp(ph) is in charge of all emergency dispatchers in the Biloxi department the people who accept | and campbell isn't the only one. sherry hokamp(ph) is in charge of all emergency dispatchers in the biloxi department, the people who accept 911 calls. |
Some of the calls, they were distressing. | some of the calls they were | Some of, the calls they were | some of the calls, they were distressing. |
Hokamp points to one call in particular. | hokamp points to, one call in | Hokamp. points to one call in | hokamp points to one call in particular. |
It was a woman. She was in the attic. There were five grown-ups on the bottom floor. The water was coming up to about their head, and she had 13 children in the attic with her. And she was the chosen adult to be with all the children. And they had no way out of the attic, and I know that that w... | it was a woman she was in; the, attic there were five, grown-ups on the bottom floor the water was coming up to about their head and she had 13 children in the attic with. her and she was the chosen adult to be with all the children and they had no way out of, the attic and i know that that was... | It was a woman She was in, the attic There were five grown-ups on the bottom floor The water was coming up, to about their head and she had 13 children in. the attic, with, her And she was the chosen adult to be with all the children, And they had no way out of the attic and I know that, that w... | it was a woman. she was in the attic. there were five grown-ups on the bottom floor. the water was coming up to about their head, and she had 13 children in the attic with her. and she was the chosen adult to be with all the children. and they had no way out of the attic, and i know that that w... |
This, Hokamp says, is one of the calls that now haunts her. | this hokamp says is, one of the calls that; now haunts | This Hokamp says is, one of the calls that now haunts | this, hokamp says, is one of the calls that now haunts her. |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. | ||
Well, I'd say there's pretty much fury with elected officials for not helping them get out sooner. The first lucky ones only got the call this afternoon and evening that they were going to be bussed south to a hotel at government expense. | well. i'd say there's pretty much fury, with elected officials for not helping them get out sooner the first lucky ones only got the call, this afternoon and evening that they, were going to be bussed south to a hotel at government | Well I'd, say there's pretty much fury with elected officials for not helping them get out sooner The first lucky ones only got the call this afternoon and evening that they were going to be, bussed south to a hotel at government | well, i'd say there's pretty much fury with elected officials for not helping them get out sooner. the first lucky ones only got the call this afternoon and evening that they were going to be bussed south to a hotel at government expense. |
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