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And it just seemed like he said look, I've been doing that enough, I've been compromising for four years, now it's my game, it's on my terms and not so much take it or leave it, but he seemed much more confident than I saw him in the first inauguration.	and it just seemed like he said look i've been doing that enough; i've been. compromising for four years now. it's my game it's on my terms. and not so much, take. it or leave it but he seemed much more confident than i saw him in the first	And it just seemed like he said look I've been doing that enough I've been compromising for four years now it's my game it's, on my terms and not so much take it or leave it but he, seemed, much more confident than I saw him in the; first	and it just seemed like he said look, i've been doing that enough, i've been compromising for four years, now it's my game, it's on my terms and not so much take it or leave it, but he seemed much more confident than i saw him in the first inauguration.
Paul Glastris, for example on the immigration, he said get me a comprehensive bill in the next few months, and I will sign it. He's trying to get control of that timeline when you know Republicans would much rather send this up in bits and pieces and not get around to some of it.	paul glastris for example on the immigration he said get me. a comprehensive bill in the next few months and i will sign it he's trying to get control of that timeline when you know republicans would much rather send this up in bits and pieces and not get around to some of	Paul Glastris for example on the immigration he said get me a comprehensive bill in the next few months, and I will sign it He's trying to get control of that timeline when you know. Republicans, would much rather send this up in bits and pieces and not get around to some of	paul glastris, for example on the immigration, he said get me a comprehensive bill in the next few months, and i will sign it. he's trying to get control of that timeline when you know republicans would much rather send this up in bits and pieces and not get around to some of it.
That's right, and I think if you look at each component of the speech, he said almost nothing about Republicans. He didn't charge Republicans with anything, he didn't say any nasty things, negative things. He barely mentioned the Republicans. He simply talked about his agenda.	that's right and i think if you, look at each component of the speech he said almost nothing about republicans he didn't charge republicans with anything he didn't say any nasty things negative things, he barely mentioned the republicans; he simply talked about his,	That's right and I think if. you look at each component of the speech he said almost. nothing about Republicans He didn't charge Republicans with anything he didn't say any nasty things negative things He barely mentioned the Republicans He simply talked about his	that's right, and i think if you look at each component of the speech, he said almost nothing about republicans. he didn't charge republicans with anything, he didn't say any nasty things, negative things. he barely mentioned the republicans. he simply talked about his agenda.
But each of those agenda items, right, and this is where the combativeness and the assertiveness comes, each of these agenda items, he knows he has the public polling behind him, these are broadly popular, and he knows that each of them are difficult for Republicans to get behind.	but each, of those agenda items right and this is where the combativeness, and the. assertiveness comes each of these agenda. items he knows he has. the public polling behind him these. are broadly popular and, he knows that each of them are difficult for republicans to get	But each of those agenda; items right and this is, where the combativeness and the assertiveness comes each of these agenda items he knows he has the public polling behind him these are broadly popular and he knows that each of them are difficult for Republicans to get.	but each of those agenda items, right, and this is where the combativeness and the assertiveness comes, each of these agenda items, he knows he has the public polling behind him, these are broadly popular, and he knows that each of them are difficult for republicans to get behind.
It's hard for Republicans to get behind background checks. It's hard to get behind immigration reform. It's hard for them to get behind the minimum wage. And so he's just laying them out there (unintelligible) which is not saying let's come to an agreement on this, he's saying this is what I want to do, and you all can...	it's hard for republicans to get behind background checks it's hard to get behind immigration, reform it's hard for them to get behind the minimum wage and so he's just laying them out there (unintelligible) which is not, saying let's come to an. agreement on this he's saying this is what i want; to do, and you all can...	It's hard for Republicans to get behind background checks It's hard to get behind immigration reform It's, hard for them to get behind. the minimum; wage, And so he's, just laying them out there (unintelligible) which is, not saying let's come to an agreement on this he's saying this is what I want to do and. you all c...	it's hard for republicans to get behind background checks. it's hard to get behind immigration reform. it's hard for them to get behind the minimum wage. and so he's just laying them out there (unintelligible) which is not saying let's come to an agreement on this, he's saying this is what i want to do, and you all can...
And Peter Robinson, using a rhetorical device, for example of immigration, a bill like the one that Joe Lieberman and John McCain were working on a few years ago; on minimum wage, you know, Mitt Romney and I agreed on this; putting these - his ideas in Republicans' mouths.	and peter robinson using a rhetorical device. for example, of immigration a bill like the one that joe lieberman and john mccain were working on a few years ago on minimum wage you know mitt romney and i agreed; on. this putting these - his ideas in	And Peter Robinson, using a rhetorical device for example. of immigration a bill like the one that Joe Lieberman, and John McCain were working on a few years ago on. minimum wage you know Mitt, Romney and. I agreed on this putting these - his ideas in	and peter robinson, using a rhetorical device, for example of immigration, a bill like the one that joe lieberman and john mccain were working on a few years ago; on minimum wage, you know, mitt romney and i agreed on this; putting these - his ideas in republicans' mouths.
Right, right. I - sure, and then Marco Rubio comes on the television a few moments later and says, in effect, Mr. President, we're a little ahead of you here. We - I and some other members of the Senate, both Republicans and Democrats, actually are further along on this issue than you are.	right right i - sure and then marco rubio comes on the television a few moments later and says in effect mr president we're a little ahead of you here we - i and some other members of the senate both. republicans and democrats. actually are further along on this issue than you	Right right I - sure and then Marco Rubio comes on the television a, few moments later and says in effect Mr President we're a little ahead of you here We. - I and some other, members of the Senate; both Republicans and Democrats, actually are further along on this issue than you	right, right. i - sure, and then marco rubio comes on the television a few moments later and says, in effect, mr. president, we're a little ahead of you here. we - i and some other members of the senate, both republicans and democrats, actually are further along on this issue than you are.
If you begin looking at it in detail, he talks about manufacturing hubs, about the reason manufacturing is coming back to this country is because we're producing enormous quantities of natural gas, driving down - there's a feeling to me in which he's behind the actuality, the reality of the country.	if you begin looking. at it in detail he, talks about manufacturing hubs, about the. reason manufacturing. is coming back to this country, is because we're producing enormous quantities of natural gas driving down - there's a feeling to me in which he's behind the actuality the reality of the	If you begin looking at it in detail he talks about manufacturing hubs about the reason manufacturing is coming back to this country, is because we're producing. enormous quantities of natural gas driving down, - there's a feeling to me in which he's behind, the actuality the reality of; the	if you begin looking at it in detail, he talks about manufacturing hubs, about the reason manufacturing is coming back to this country is because we're producing enormous quantities of natural gas, driving down - there's a feeling to me in which he's behind the actuality, the reality of the country.
We hear voices, the voices of the people that we could not be there for. They come back. They come back to visit all different times.	we hear. voices the voices of the. people that, we could not be there for they come back they come back to visit all different	We hear voices the voices of the people that we could not be there for, They come back They come back. to visit all different	we hear voices, the voices of the people that we could not be there for. they come back. they come back to visit all different times.
It's an odd moment. Now - and here Paul and I may just, we may disagree. So I know we want to talk about the speech, but to me the oddness was that he's putting forward a liberal agenda in a large and in some ways an honest way. He is simply saying here it is, I believe in big government, I believe in government answer...	it's an odd, moment now - and here paul and i may just we may disagree so i know we want to talk about the speech but to me the oddness was that he's putting, forward a liberal, agenda in a large and in some ways an honest way he is simply saying here it. is i believe in big government i believe in government answers. ...	It's an odd moment Now - and here; Paul and, I may just. we may disagree So I know, we want to talk about the speech but to me the oddness was that he's putting, forward a liberal agenda in a large and in some ways an honest way He is simply saying here it is I believe in big government I believe in government answers ...	it's an odd moment. now - and here paul and i may just, we may disagree. so i know we want to talk about the speech, but to me the oddness was that he's putting forward a liberal agenda in a large and in some ways an honest way. he is simply saying here it is, i believe in big government, i believe in government answer...
I agree completely with Ken's point that the kind of implicit body language was to the Republicans not only do I need you, you're just not that important right now. But I don't read the reality of the underlying political situation that way. Republicans did keep the House, they have 30 out of 50 governors. I think he's...	i agree completely with ken's point that the kind of implicit body language was to the. republicans not only do. i need you you're just not that important, right now but. i don't read the reality of the underlying political, situation that way republicans did keep the house they have 30 out; of 50 governors i think he'...	I agree completely with Ken's. point that the kind of implicit body language was to the Republicans, not only. do I, need you you're, just not that important right now But I don't read the reality of the underlying political situation, that way Republicans did keep the House they have 30 out, of 50 governors I think he...	i agree completely with ken's point that the kind of implicit body language was to the republicans not only do i need you, you're just not that important right now. but i don't read the reality of the underlying political situation that way. republicans did keep the house, they have 30 out of 50 governors. i think he's...
At the same time, though, Margaret Thatcher used to say first you win the argument, then you win the elections. I believe he's a little ahead of himself politically. He's won an election; so did Republicans. The political change hasn't taken place. But I give him full marks for making the argument, making his case.	at. the same time though margaret thatcher used to say first you win the argument then you win the elections i believe he's a little ahead of himself politically he's won an. election so did republicans the political change hasn't taken place but i give him, full marks for, making the argument making his	At the, same time though Margaret Thatcher used to say first you win the argument then you win the elections I believe he's a little ahead of himself politically, He's won an election so did Republicans The political change hasn't taken, place But I give him full marks for. making the argument making his	at the same time, though, margaret thatcher used to say first you win the argument, then you win the elections. i believe he's a little ahead of himself politically. he's won an election; so did republicans. the political change hasn't taken place. but i give him full marks for making the argument, making his case.
Republicans, at least Republicans in Washington, there are some governors who are doing so, Republicans in Washington have yet to do so nearly as effectively, make the case for their argument.	republicans at least republicans in washington, there are some. governors who are doing so republicans in washington have yet to do so nearly as effectively, make the case for their.	Republicans at. least Republicans in Washington there are some governors who are doing so Republicans in, Washington have yet to do so nearly as effectively make the case for their	republicans, at least republicans in washington, there are some governors who are doing so, republicans in washington have yet to do so nearly as effectively, make the case for their argument.
Paul?			paul?
Well, I agree, kind of, with what Peter is saying. I would say this: I thought Barack Obama last night talked to the broad middle of the country and more or less ignored the right-wing base of the Republican Party.	well i agree kind of with what peter is, saying i would say this: i thought barack obama last, night talked to the broad middle of the country; and more or, less, ignored the right-wing base. of the republican	Well. I agree kind of with what Peter is saying I would say this: I thought Barack Obama last, night talked to, the broad middle of the country and more or less, ignored the, right-wing base, of the Republican	well, i agree, kind of, with what peter is saying. i would say this: i thought barack obama last night talked to the broad middle of the country and more or less ignored the right-wing base of the republican party.
Well, Ted Nugent was there.	well ted nugent was	Well Ted Nugent was	well, ted nugent was there.
Ted Nugent, but he didn't say anything about Ted, though probably got his autograph later, I would have. I think Marco Rubio ignored the broad middle of the country and talked to the Republican base. That's kind of where the two parties are right now. And this shift to the middle that you all are talking about, I think...	ted nugent but he didn't. say anything about ted though probably got his autograph later. i would have i think marco; rubio, ignored the broad middle of the country and, talked to the republican base that's. kind of where the two parties are right now and this shift to the middle that you all are talking about i think,...	Ted Nugent but he didn't say anything about Ted though, probably got his autograph later I would have I think Marco Rubio ignored the broad middle of the country and talked to, the Republican base That's. kind of. where the, two parties are right now And this shift to. the middle that you all are. talking about I think...	ted nugent, but he didn't say anything about ted, though probably got his autograph later, i would have. i think marco rubio ignored the broad middle of the country and talked to the republican base. that's kind of where the two parties are right now. and this shift to the middle that you all are talking about, i think...
And then you had Rand Paul come out to talk to the base of the Republican base.	and then you. had rand paul come out to talk to the base of the republican,	And then you had, Rand Paul come out to talk to the base of, the Republican	and then you had rand paul come out to talk to the base of the republican base.
Right, right, right. And so Marco Rubio doesn't even represent quite the far edge of the base.	right right right and so marco rubio doesn't even represent quite the. far edge of the.	Right right right And. so Marco Rubio doesn't even represent quite the far edge of the	right, right, right. and so marco rubio doesn't even represent quite the far edge of the base.
Ken?			ken?
You know, I wonder if maybe perhaps the president was going as aggressive as he was early because, as you said, Paul, earlier, he doesn't have that much time. When you think of Ronald Reagan's 49 state landslide in 1984 and two years later the Republicans lost the Senate, you think of Bill Clinton with the great victor...	you know i wonder if maybe perhaps, the president was going as aggressive as; he was early because as you said paul earlier he doesn't have. that much time when you think of ronald reagan's 49 state landslide, in 1984 and two years later the republicans. lost the senate you think of bill clinton with. the great victory...	You know I wonder if maybe perhaps the president was going as, aggressive as he was early because as you said Paul; earlier he doesn't have that much time When you think of Ronald, Reagan's 49 state landslide, in 1984 and two years later. the Republicans lost the, Senate you think of Bill Clinton with the great victory...	you know, i wonder if maybe perhaps the president was going as aggressive as he was early because, as you said, paul, earlier, he doesn't have that much time. when you think of ronald reagan's 49 state landslide in 1984 and two years later the republicans lost the senate, you think of bill clinton with the great victor...
So we don't know exactly what will happen in these midterm elections in 2014, which, as you point out, is - are right around the corner. And so maybe he needs to get as much done as soon as possible because things could change in a heartbeat.	so we don't know exactly what will happen in these midterm elections, in 2014, which as you point out is - are right around the corner and so maybe he needs to get as much done as soon as possible because things could change in a	So. we don't, know exactly what will happen in these midterm elections. in 2014, which as you point out is - are right around the corner And, so maybe he needs to get as much done. as soon. as possible because things could change in. a	so we don't know exactly what will happen in these midterm elections in 2014, which, as you point out, is - are right around the corner. and so maybe he needs to get as much done as soon as possible because things could change in a heartbeat.
And I think what Peter is saying is that that he doesn't have enough Republican votes to get done what it is he put out there. Am I right, Peter?	and i think what peter is saying is that that he doesn't have enough republican, votes to get done what it is he put out there am i right	And I think. what Peter is saying is that that he doesn't have enough Republican votes to get done what it is he put out there Am I right	and i think what peter is saying is that that he doesn't have enough republican votes to get done what it is he put out there. am i right, peter?
Well, he's not trying - I thought he might say last night he's given - he's won his election. He gave a very aggressive inaugural address. I thought last night might be the moment when there were some overtures to cutting a deal - the grand bargain. You, Republicans, raise some taxes. I will cut entitlements, and we wi...	well he's not trying - i thought, he might say last. night he's given - he's won his election he gave a very. aggressive inaugural address i thought last night might be the moment when there were some overtures to cutting a deal - the grand bargain you republicans raise some taxes i will cut entitlements and we will de...	Well he's not trying, - I thought he might say, last night he's given - he's won his election He gave a very aggressive inaugural address I thought last night might be the moment when there were some overtures to cutting a deal - the grand bargain You Republicans. raise some taxes I will cut entitlements and we will de...	well, he's not trying - i thought he might say last night he's given - he's won his election. he gave a very aggressive inaugural address. i thought last night might be the moment when there were some overtures to cutting a deal - the grand bargain. you, republicans, raise some taxes. i will cut entitlements, and we wi...
There were no serious - as you both said, and as I agree completely, it was almost as though the Republicans were not even in the chamber. So this was - he's made the decision that to get done what he wants to do, which is to reposition the politics of the entire nation, it could hardly be more breathtaking in its ambi...	there were no serious - as you both said and as i agree completely it was almost as though. the; republicans were, not even in the chamber so this was - he's made, the decision that to, get done. what. he wants to do which is to reposition the politics, of the entire nation it could hardly be more breathtaking in, its....	There were no serious - as you both said and as I agree completely it was almost as though the Republicans were not, even in the, chamber So this was - he's made the decision that to get done what he wants to do which is to reposition the politics; of the entire. nation it could hardly be more breathtaking in its ambit...	there were no serious - as you both said, and as i agree completely, it was almost as though the republicans were not even in the chamber. so this was - he's made the decision that to get done what he wants to do, which is to reposition the politics of the entire nation, it could hardly be more breathtaking in its ambi...
And interesting, he seemed to have decided, as you said, the debt and deficit are not the problem. Jobs are the problem. And if the economy begins to recover as some suspect it will, partly on the back of those energy discoveries that you were talking about, Peter Robinson, is he - might he win his gamble?	and interesting he seemed to have, decided as you said the debt and deficit are not the problem jobs are the problem and if the economy begins to recover as some suspect; it will partly on the back of those energy discoveries that you; were talking about peter robinson is he - might he win his	And interesting, he. seemed to have decided as you said the, debt and deficit are not the problem Jobs are the problem And if the economy begins to recover as some suspect it will partly on the back of, those energy discoveries. that you were talking; about Peter Robinson is, he - might he win his	and interesting, he seemed to have decided, as you said, the debt and deficit are not the problem. jobs are the problem. and if the economy begins to recover as some suspect it will, partly on the back of those energy discoveries that you were talking about, peter robinson, is he - might he win his gamble?
Oh, he might. Oh, I believe it's - absolutely he might. I'm not - this is not - you're not hearing a Reagan guy say this is doomed. The liberals are wrong again as usual. The country is in play. This is the American experiment. We - the voters get to decide decade by decade by decade. He may very well.	oh he might oh i believe it's - absolutely he might, i'm not - this is not - you're. not hearing a reagan guy say this. is doomed the. liberals are wrong again, as usual the country is in play this is the american experiment we - the voters get, to, decide decade by, decade by decade he may very	Oh he, might Oh I believe it's - absolutely he might I'm not - this, is not - you're not hearing a Reagan. guy say this is doomed The liberals are wrong again as. usual The country is in play This, is the American experiment We - the. voters, get to decide. decade by decade by decade He may very.	oh, he might. oh, i believe it's - absolutely he might. i'm not - this is not - you're not hearing a reagan guy say this is doomed. the liberals are wrong again as usual. the country is in play. this is the american experiment. we - the voters get to decide decade by decade by decade. he may very well.
We're talking with former presidential speechwriters Peter Robinson - you just heard him from Stanford University. He's now at the Hoover Institution but used to write speeches for Ronald Reagan. Paul Glastris is here with us in Studio 3A. He's editor in chief of The Washington Monthly but used to write speeches for Bi...	we're talking with former presidential speechwriters, peter robinson - you just. heard him from stanford university he's now at the hoover institution but used to write speeches for ronald reagan paul glastris is here with us in studio 3a he's editor in, chief of the washington, monthly but. used to write speeches for ...	We're talking with former presidential speechwriters Peter Robinson - you just heard him from. Stanford University He's now at the Hoover, Institution but used to write speeches for Ronald Reagan Paul Glastris is here with us in Studio 3A He's editor in chief of, The Washington Monthly but used to. write speeches for B...	we're talking with former presidential speechwriters peter robinson - you just heard him from stanford university. he's now at the hoover institution but used to write speeches for ronald reagan. paul glastris is here with us in studio 3a. he's editor in chief of the washington monthly but used to write speeches for bi...
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Which you're listening to from NPR News. And I wanted to ask you, Peter, another thought. Back in those days of Ronald Reagan and those - in his first inaugural, government's not the answer, government is the problem. How conscious was it amongst his speechwriters, amongst his inner circle, this shift, this tectonic sh...	which you're listening to from npr news and i wanted to ask you peter another thought back in those. days of ronald reagan and those - in his first inaugural government's not the answer government is the problem how conscious was it amongst his speechwriters amongst his inner circle this shift this tectonic shift in be...	Which you're listening to from NPR News And I wanted to ask you Peter another thought Back in those days of, Ronald. Reagan and, those - in his first inaugural government's not the answer, government is the problem How conscious was it amongst his. speechwriters amongst his, inner circle this shift this tectonic shift ...	which you're listening to from npr news. and i wanted to ask you, peter, another thought. back in those days of ronald reagan and those - in his first inaugural, government's not the answer, government is the problem. how conscious was it amongst his speechwriters, amongst his inner circle, this shift, this tectonic sh...
We didn't think of it - we speechwriters - I can only tell you the way I experienced life as a speechwriter in the Reagan White House. There was a sense in which the country - it was Ronald Reagan's moment. Ronald Reagan did not say I'm going to move the politics of the country. In 1980, a man who'd been a conservative...	we didn't think of it - we speechwriters, - i can only tell you the way i experienced life as a speechwriter in the reagan, white house there was a sense in which. the country - it was ronald reagan's moment ronald reagan did not say i'm going to move the politics, of the. country in 1980, a, man who'd been a conservat...	We. didn't think of it - we speechwriters - I can only tell you the way I experienced life, as a speechwriter in the Reagan White House There was; a sense in which the country - it was Ronald Reagan's moment Ronald Reagan did not say I'm going to move the politics of the country. In 1980, a man who'd been a conservativ...	we didn't think of it - we speechwriters - i can only tell you the way i experienced life as a speechwriter in the reagan white house. there was a sense in which the country - it was ronald reagan's moment. ronald reagan did not say i'm going to move the politics of the country. in 1980, a man who'd been a conservative...
The country in a sense moved to Reagan and all - the way we felt about it was the way the president felt about it, which is if you see what we see here in Washington, the budget problems, what the Soviets are doing, all I, Ronald Reagan, need to do is explain myself to the American people. And once they see what I see,...	the country in a sense moved to reagan and all - the way we felt about it was the way. the president, felt about it. which is if you see what we see here in washington; the budget problems what. the soviets are; doing all i ronald reagan need to. do is explain myself to the american people and once they see what i see ...	The country in a sense moved to, Reagan and all - the way we felt about it was the way the. president felt about it which is if, you see what; we see here in; Washington the budget problems what the Soviets, are doing all I Ronald Reagan need to, do is explain myself to, the American people, And once they see what I se...	the country in a sense moved to reagan and all - the way we felt about it was the way the president felt about it, which is if you see what we see here in washington, the budget problems, what the soviets are doing, all i, ronald reagan, need to do is explain myself to the american people. and once they see what i see,...
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He'd call members of Congress and ask for their vote if he was given a call sheet by the chief of staff. But what really animated him, always, all eight years, was talking to the country. He believed and demonstrated that if you could persuade people in Wisconsin, then the two members of the Senate from Wisconsin would...	he'd. call members of, congress and ask for their vote if he was given. a call sheet by the chief of staff but what; really animated him always all eight years was talking. to the country he believed and demonstrated that if you could persuade people in wisconsin then the two members. of the senate from wisconsin would...	He'd call members of Congress and ask for their. vote, if he was given a call sheet by the chief of staff. But what really animated him always all eight years was talking to; the country He believed and demonstrated that if you could persuade people in Wisconsin then, the two members of the Senate from Wisconsin. would...	he'd call members of congress and ask for their vote if he was given a call sheet by the chief of staff. but what really animated him, always, all eight years, was talking to the country. he believed and demonstrated that if you could persuade people in wisconsin, then the two members of the senate from wisconsin would...
He's headed to North Carolina today and Illinois by the end of the week, Paul Glastris.	he's headed to north carolina today and illinois by the end of the week paul	He's. headed to, North Carolina today and Illinois by the end, of the, week Paul	he's headed to north carolina today and illinois by the end of the week, paul glastris.
I think Peter is exactly right. I think what you saw here last night was - what is new here is the president, President Obama, spent the first four years after getting elected trying desperately to play an inside game, partly because he had to. They were just enormous problems that needed immediate attention and big co...	i think peter is exactly right i think what you. saw here last night was - what is new here is the president president obama spent the first four years after getting elected trying desperately to play an inside game partly because he had to they were just enormous problems that needed immediate attention and big comple...	I think Peter is exactly. right I think what you saw here last night was - what is new here is the, president President Obama spent; the; first four years after getting elected trying desperately to play an inside game partly because; he had to They were just enormous problems that needed immediate attention and big co...	i think peter is exactly right. i think what you saw here last night was - what is new here is the president, president obama, spent the first four years after getting elected trying desperately to play an inside game, partly because he had to. they were just enormous problems that needed immediate attention and big co...