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This is WEEKEND EDITION from NPR News. I'm Linda Wertheimer. "Two And A Half Men" star Jon Cryer gets personal in his new memoir "So That Happened." NPR TV critic Eric Deggans says Cryer's book mostly reveals that survival in Hollywood requires a sense of humor and a healthy absence of ego. | this is weekend edition from npr news i'm, linda wertheimer "two and a half men" star jon cryer gets personal in his new memoir "so, that happened" npr tv critic eric deggans says cryer's book mostly, reveals that survival in hollywood requires a sense of humor and a healthy absence of | This is WEEKEND EDITION; from NPR News I'm Linda Wertheimer "Two And A Half Men" star Jon Cryer gets. personal in his new memoir "So That Happened" NPR TV critic Eric Deggans says Cryer's book mostly reveals that survival in Hollywood requires a sense of humor and. a healthy absence of | this is weekend edition from npr news. i'm linda wertheimer. "two and a half men" star jon cryer gets personal in his new memoir "so that happened." npr tv critic eric deggans says cryer's book mostly reveals that survival in hollywood requires a sense of humor and a healthy absence of ego. |
In "Pretty In Pink," John Cryer's Duckie Dale has one of the best onscreen friendships in '80s teen movie history. He pines after his best friend, played by Molly Ringwald, but she's about to date a rich kid, Andrew McCarthy's Blane, much to Duckie's disappointment. | in, "pretty in pink" john cryer's duckie dale has one of the best onscreen friendships in '80s teen movie history he pines. after his best friend played by, molly ringwald but she's about to date. a rich kid andrew mccarthy's blane much to duckie's | In "Pretty In Pink" John Cryer's, Duckie Dale has one of the best onscreen friendships in '80s teen movie history, He pines after his best friend played by; Molly Ringwald but she's about to date a, rich kid Andrew McCarthy's Blane much to Duckie's | in "pretty in pink," john cryer's duckie dale has one of the best onscreen friendships in '80s teen movie history. he pines after his best friend, played by molly ringwald, but she's about to date a rich kid, andrew mccarthy's blane, much to duckie's disappointment. |
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(As Duckie) You can't do this and respect yourself. You - you - you can't. | (as, duckie) you can't do. this and respect yourself you - you - you | (As Duckie) You; can't, do this and respect yourself You - you - you | (as duckie) you can't do this and respect yourself. you - you - you can't. |
(As Andie Walsh) You know you're talking like that just because I'm going out with Blane. | (as andie, walsh) you, know you're talking like; that, just because i'm going out with | (As Andie, Walsh) You know you're talking like that just because I'm going out with | (as andie walsh) you know you're talking like that just because i'm going out with blane. |
(As Duckie) Blane - his name is Blane. Oh, that's a major appliance. That's not a name. | (as duckie) blane - his name is blane oh that's a major appliance, that's not a | (As Duckie) Blane - his name is Blane Oh that's a major appliance That's not a | (as duckie) blane - his name is blane. oh, that's a major appliance. that's not a name. |
Despite the chemistry, Cryer revealed in his book that he felt like neither Ringwald nor McCarthy liked him very much. | despite the chemistry cryer revealed in his book that he felt like neither ringwald nor mccarthy liked him very | Despite the chemistry Cryer revealed in his. book; that he felt like neither Ringwald nor McCarthy liked him very | despite the chemistry, cryer revealed in his book that he felt like neither ringwald nor mccarthy liked him very much. |
It wasn't that they were unkind. They're just very different people than me. I'm very outgoing. I kind of come from a theatrical background. And in the theater, you know, you expect to have this tremendous camaraderie with the people you're working with. It's a very different vibe. | it wasn't that, they were unkind they're just very different people than me, i'm very outgoing. i kind of come from a theatrical background and in the theater you know you; expect. to have this tremendous camaraderie. with, the people you're, working with it's a very different | It wasn't, that they, were unkind They're just very different people than me I'm very. outgoing I. kind of, come, from a. theatrical, background And in the theater you know you expect to have this tremendous camaraderie with the people you're working, with It's a very different | it wasn't that they were unkind. they're just very different people than me. i'm very outgoing. i kind of come from a theatrical background. and in the theater, you know, you expect to have this tremendous camaraderie with the people you're working with. it's a very different vibe. |
Later, he learned Ringwald had wanted her friend, Robert Downey, Jr., cast in his role. That's the kind of personal backstage revelation you get in "So That Happened," a breezy, often comic tale of Cryer's 30-year career on stage, film and television. The 49-year-old grew up in New York, the son of two actors. Cryer ne... | later he learned ringwald, had wanted her friend. robert downey jr., cast in his role that's, the kind of personal backstage revelation you get in, "so that happened" a breezy often comic tale of cryer's, 30-year career on, stage film and television the 49-year-old grew up in new york the son. of two actors cryer never... | Later he learned Ringwald had wanted her friend Robert Downey Jr., cast. in his role That's the kind of personal backstage revelation you get in "So That Happened" a breezy often comic tale of Cryer's 30-year career, on stage film and, television The 49-year-old grew up in New York, the son of two actors Cryer never qu... | later, he learned ringwald had wanted her friend, robert downey, jr., cast in his role. that's the kind of personal backstage revelation you get in "so that happened," a breezy, often comic tale of cryer's 30-year career on stage, film and television. the 49-year-old grew up in new york, the son of two actors. cryer ne... |
Here's where I bucked the trend (laughter) of most actors. I am unencumbered by confidence or self-esteem. And I think my performance as Alan has shown, if nothing else, that I am willing to debase myself completely. | here's where i bucked the trend (laughter) of. most actors. i am unencumbered by confidence or self-esteem and i think my performance as, alan has shown if nothing else that, i am willing to debase myself | Here's where I bucked the trend (laughter) of most actors, I am unencumbered by confidence or self-esteem And I think, my performance as, Alan has shown if nothing else that I am willing to debase myself | here's where i bucked the trend (laughter) of most actors. i am unencumbered by confidence or self-esteem. and i think my performance as alan has shown, if nothing else, that i am willing to debase myself completely. |
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Once upon a time, we knew our veggies were safe because the greengrocer vouched for them, meat came from the neighborhood butcher, and the milk van delivered every morning. These days, of course, most of us go to the supermarket and squint at those expiration dates on the package, or maybe it's a sell-by date, or a bes... | once upon a time we knew our veggies were. safe because. the greengrocer vouched for them meat came from the neighborhood butcher and, the. milk van delivered, every morning these days of course most of, us go to the supermarket and squint at those, expiration dates on the package or maybe it's a sell-by date or a best... | Once upon a time we knew our veggies were safe because the greengrocer vouched for them meat came from the neighborhood butcher. and the milk van delivered every morning These days of, course most of, us go to. the supermarket and squint at those expiration dates on the package. or maybe, it's a, sell-by date or a best... | once upon a time, we knew our veggies were safe because the greengrocer vouched for them, meat came from the neighborhood butcher, and the milk van delivered every morning. these days, of course, most of us go to the supermarket and squint at those expiration dates on the package, or maybe it's a sell-by date, or a bes... |
How about you, can you tell us your expiration date story? Give us a call: 800-989-8255. Email us: talk@npr.org. You can also join the conversation on our Web site, that's at npr.org, just click on TALK OF THE NATION. | how about you can you tell us your expiration date story? give us a call: 800-989-8255. email us: talk@npr.org you. can also; join the conversation on our web site that's at npr.org just click on talk of. the | How about you can you. tell us your expiration date. story? Give us a call: 800-989-8255. Email us: talk@npr.org You can also join the conversation on. our Web site that's at npr.org just click on TALK OF THE | how about you, can you tell us your expiration date story? give us a call: 800-989-8255. email us: talk@npr.org. you can also join the conversation on our web site, that's at npr.org, just click on talk of the nation. |
And Nadia Arumugam is a food writer for Slate, Easy Living and FLAVOURS Magazine, author of the cookbook "Chop, Sizzle and Stir." And she joins us now from our bureau in New York. Nice to have you with us today. | and, nadia arumugam is a food writer for slate, easy living and flavours, magazine author of the cookbook; "chop. sizzle and stir" and she joins us now from our bureau, in new york nice to have you with us | And Nadia Arumugam is a food writer for Slate Easy Living and FLAVOURS Magazine author, of the cookbook "Chop Sizzle and Stir" And. she joins us now from our bureau in New York Nice to have you, with us | and nadia arumugam is a food writer for slate, easy living and flavours magazine, author of the cookbook "chop, sizzle and stir." and she joins us now from our bureau in new york. nice to have you with us today. |
Great, great to be here. | great great to be | Great; great to be | great, great to be here. |
And so expiration dates aren't worth the ink they're printed with? | and so expiration dates aren't worth the, ink they're printed | And so expiration dates aren't worth the ink they're. printed | and so expiration dates aren't worth the ink they're printed with? |
Well, you know, I think the problem, Neal, is that people just don't really understand what they mean. And so people get scared when they see a printed date on a pack of meat in their fridge and, you know, it's come to that date and they think they're going to get sick. And so they just chuck it out, you know, without ... | well you. know i think the problem neal is that people just don't really understand what they mean and so people get scared when. they see, a printed, date on a, pack of meat in their. fridge and, you know it's come to that date and they. think they're going to get sick and so. they just chuck it out you know without a... | Well you know I think the problem Neal is that. people. just don't really, understand, what they mean And so people get scared, when they see a printed date on a. pack of meat in their fridge and you know. it's come to that date and they think they're going to get. sick And so they just chuck it out you know without a ... | well, you know, i think the problem, neal, is that people just don't really understand what they mean. and so people get scared when they see a printed date on a pack of meat in their fridge and, you know, it's come to that date and they think they're going to get sick. and so they just chuck it out, you know, without ... |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. | ||
...or use-by date and just chuck it out. You know, she had four children. She didnt need any of them to get food poisoning or get sick. And she automatically assumed, like I'm sure a lot of your listeners do, that an expiration date, you know, is essentially for our own safety and we'll get sick if we don't abide by th... | ...or use-by date and just chuck it. out you know she had four children she didnt, need any of them to get food poisoning, or get sick and, she automatically assumed like i'm sure a lot of your listeners do that an expiration date you; know is essentially for our own safety and we'll get sick if we don't abide by | ...or use-by date and just chuck it. out You, know she had four children She didnt need any of them to get, food poisoning or get sick, And she automatically assumed like I'm sure a lot of your listeners do that an expiration date you know is, essentially for our own safety and we'll get. sick if we don't abide by | ...or use-by date and just chuck it out. you know, she had four children. she didnt need any of them to get food poisoning or get sick. and she automatically assumed, like i'm sure a lot of your listeners do, that an expiration date, you know, is essentially for our own safety and we'll get sick if we don't abide by th... |
And indeed that, on that expiration date, that date changes into a skull and crossbones. | and. indeed that on that expiration date that date changes into a skull and | And indeed. that on. that expiration date that date changes, into a skull and | and indeed that, on that expiration date, that date changes into a skull and crossbones. |
Exactly. And because we don't understand what they mean, we - we - we, you know, we automatically attribute the worst possible scenario to them. | exactly and because we don't understand what they mean we - we - we you. know we automatically attribute the worst possible scenario to | Exactly And because we don't understand what they mean we - we - we you know we automatically attribute the worst possible scenario to | exactly. and because we don't understand what they mean, we - we - we, you know, we automatically attribute the worst possible scenario to them. |
And indeed you suggest that most of these dates are put on, well, rather arbitrarily - there are very few standards, and what standards there are change wildly from state to state, in those states that have standards, even in some cases from city to city. | and, indeed you suggest that most; of these dates are put on well rather arbitrarily - there are very few standards and what standards there, are. change wildly from state to. state in those states that have standards, even in some cases from city to | And indeed you suggest that most of these, dates are put on well rather arbitrarily - there are very few standards, and what standards there are change wildly from state to state in those states that have standards even in some cases from city to | and indeed you suggest that most of these dates are put on, well, rather arbitrarily - there are very few standards, and what standards there are change wildly from state to state, in those states that have standards, even in some cases from city to city. |
Sure. I mean, you know, one of the things that I learnt that really amazed me was that there is no federal regulations that govern expiration dates apart from infant food and sort of baby formula. So all the dates that are being put on, you know, your biscuits, your cookies, your preserves, they're all being decided up... | sure i, mean you know one of the things that i learnt that really. amazed me was that there is no federal regulations that govern expiration dates apart from infant food and sort of baby formula so all the, dates that are being put on you know, your biscuits your cookies your preserves they're all being decided upon by... | Sure I mean you know one of the things that I learnt that really amazed me, was that there, is no federal regulations that govern expiration dates apart from infant food and sort of baby formula So all the dates that are being put, on you know your biscuits your cookies your preserves they're all being decided upon by ... | sure. i mean, you know, one of the things that i learnt that really amazed me was that there is no federal regulations that govern expiration dates apart from infant food and sort of baby formula. so all the dates that are being put on, you know, your biscuits, your cookies, your preserves, they're all being decided up... |
Dairy... | dairy... | ||
...dairy products... | ...dairy | ...dairy | ...dairy products... |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
...for example. But again, the - as you mentioned, they vary wildly and for your listeners in New York City, I'm sure many of them would have noted that when they get their carton of milk in New York City, it has a different expiration date from the rest of the state or Connecticut or Pennsylvania. And, you know, that ... | ...for example but again the - as you mentioned they vary wildly and for your listeners in new york city. i'm sure many of them would have noted that when they get their carton of milk in new york city it has a different expiration; date from the rest of the state or connecticut or pennsylvania and you know that really... | ...for example But again the - as you mentioned they vary wildly and for your listeners in New. York City I'm. sure many of them would have noted that when they. get their carton of milk in New York City it has. a different expiration, date. from the rest of the state or Connecticut or Pennsylvania And you know that re... | ...for example. but again, the - as you mentioned, they vary wildly and for your listeners in new york city, i'm sure many of them would have noted that when they get their carton of milk in new york city, it has a different expiration date from the rest of the state or connecticut or pennsylvania. and, you know, that ... |
And it was decided upon by the New York health department in the 1950s and you know, they say that apparently at that time, it was a common practice to - for out-of-town grocery stores to resell milk that was about to expire to New York City markets and especially into the more deprived areas. And so to prevent that, t... | and it was decided upon by the new, york health department in the. 1950s; and you know they say that, apparently at that time it was a. common practice to - for out-of-town grocery stores to resell milk that was, about to expire to new york city markets and especially into the more deprived areas. and. so to prevent th... | And it was decided upon by the New, York health department in the 1950s and you know they say that apparently at that time it was a common practice, to - for out-of-town grocery stores to resell milk that was about. to expire to New York City markets and especially. into the more deprived. areas And so to prevent that ... | and it was decided upon by the new york health department in the 1950s and you know, they say that apparently at that time, it was a common practice to - for out-of-town grocery stores to resell milk that was about to expire to new york city markets and especially into the more deprived areas. and so to prevent that, t... |
Mm-hmm. I think, you know, at least, anecdotally that that's what they do to a lot of convenience stores. The convenience stores tend to have milk that's just about to expire. So I'm not sure that that's a deliberate policy, it just seems to be that way every time I go down to the Royal Farm store. | mm-hmm i think you. know at least, anecdotally that. that's what they do to a lot of convenience stores the convenience stores tend to have milk that's just about to expire so i'm not sure that that's a deliberate policy it just, seems to be; that way every time i go down, to the royal farm | Mm-hmm; I think you know at least anecdotally that; that's what they do to a lot, of convenience stores The convenience stores tend to have milk that's just about to expire So I'm not sure that that's, a deliberate policy it just seems to be that way every time I go down to the Royal. Farm | mm-hmm. i think, you know, at least, anecdotally that that's what they do to a lot of convenience stores. the convenience stores tend to have milk that's just about to expire. so i'm not sure that that's a deliberate policy, it just seems to be that way every time i go down to the royal farm store. |
Sure and it's interesting - you used the word "expire," and what does that mean? Does it mean that, you know, when it reaches that date that that food is, you know, suddenly become toxic to us? It absolutely doesn't. And I think that the ultimate takeaway that I got from doing all my research and reporting on this stor... | sure and it's interesting - you used. the word "expire" and what does that mean? does it mean that you know when it reaches that date that that food is you know suddenly become toxic to us? it absolutely doesn't and i think, that the ultimate takeaway that i got; from, doing all my research and reporting on, this story... | Sure and it's, interesting - you used the word "expire" and what does that mean? Does it mean that you know when it, reaches that date. that that food is you know suddenly become toxic to us? It absolutely doesn't And I think that the ultimate, takeaway that I got from doing all my research and reporting on. this story... | sure and it's interesting - you used the word "expire," and what does that mean? does it mean that, you know, when it reaches that date that that food is, you know, suddenly become toxic to us? it absolutely doesn't. and i think that the ultimate takeaway that i got from doing all my research and reporting on this stor... |
You know, but if you have a chicken breast in your fridge that is a day past its expir-- you know, its use-by or sell-by date and yet you open up the pack and it still smells fresh, it, you know, it has that sort of lovely rosy hue, then again that's nature telling you that it's perfectly fine for you to cook it up and... | you know but if you have a chicken breast in, your fridge that is a. day past its expir-- you know its use-by or sell-by date and yet you open up the; pack and it still smells fresh it you know it has that sort of lovely rosy; hue then again that's nature telling you that it's perfectly, fine for, you to cook it up and... | You know but if you have a chicken breast in. your fridge that is a day, past its expir-- you know its use-by or sell-by date and yet you open up. the; pack and it still smells fresh it you know. it has that sort of lovely rosy hue then again that's nature, telling you, that it's perfectly fine for. you to, cook it, up... | you know, but if you have a chicken breast in your fridge that is a day past its expir-- you know, its use-by or sell-by date and yet you open up the pack and it still smells fresh, it, you know, it has that sort of lovely rosy hue, then again that's nature telling you that it's perfectly fine for you to cook it up and... |
And, you know, I spent a long time reporting and researching this story and speaking to many food scientists and food safety consultants, and the one thing that was consistent amongst them all was that, you know, they said exactly the same thing to me which is that, you know, expiration dates are conservative. And they... | and you know i spent a long time reporting and researching this story and speaking to many food scientists and food safety consultants and the one thing that was consistent amongst them all was that you know they said. exactly the same thing to me which is that you know expiration dates are conservative and they're con... | And. you know I, spent a long time reporting and researching this story and speaking to many food scientists and food safety consultants and the one thing that, was consistent amongst them all was that you know they said exactly the same, thing. to me which is that you know expiration dates are conservative And. they'r... | and, you know, i spent a long time reporting and researching this story and speaking to many food scientists and food safety consultants, and the one thing that was consistent amongst them all was that, you know, they said exactly the same thing to me which is that, you know, expiration dates are conservative. and they... |
You know, they think about the person who has bought their meat from the grocery store, has maybe taken, you know, a long trip through town, done some shopping, gone home, maybe forgotten to put the meat in the fridge for an hour or two. | you know, they think about the person who has bought their meat from the grocery store has maybe taken you know a long trip through town done some shopping gone home maybe forgotten; to put, the meat in the fridge for an hour or | You know they; think, about the person. who has bought their meat from the grocery store has maybe taken you know a long trip. through town done some shopping gone, home maybe forgotten to put the meat in the fridge for an hour or | you know, they think about the person who has bought their meat from the grocery store, has maybe taken, you know, a long trip through town, done some shopping, gone home, maybe forgotten to put the meat in the fridge for an hour or two. |
And put it - stored it next to the light in the fridge where it gets some heat, yeah. | and put it - stored it. next. to the light in the fridge where it. gets some heat | And put it - stored. it next to the light in the fridge where it gets some heat | and put it - stored it next to the light in the fridge where it gets some heat, yeah. |
Exactly. Absolutely. You know, they don't think about the most conscientious person who comes straight back from the grocery store and just puts their chicken in the bottom of the fridge where it's coldest. | exactly absolutely, you know they don't think. about the most conscientious, person who comes straight back from the grocery store and just puts their chicken in the bottom. of the fridge where it's | Exactly Absolutely You know they don't think about the most conscientious person who comes straight back from the grocery. store, and just puts their chicken in the bottom of the, fridge. where it's | exactly. absolutely. you know, they don't think about the most conscientious person who comes straight back from the grocery store and just puts their chicken in the bottom of the fridge where it's coldest. |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. | ||
And so, you have a lot of leeway to play with. | and so you have a lot of leeway to play | And so you have a lot of leeway, to play | and so, you have a lot of leeway to play with. |
Warrants are fine, judge Posner says, if you already know who you're looking for. | warrants are fine judge posner says if you already know who you're. looking | Warrants are fine judge Posner says if you, already know who you're looking | warrants are fine, judge posner says, if you already know who you're looking for. |
Our guest is Nadia Arumugam, a food writer for Slate, Easy Living and FLAVOURS magazines. Her piece on the expiration dates or the sell-by dates or the best-used-by dates appeared at Slate.com. And if you'd like to join the conversation, our phone number is 800-989-8255. Email us: talk@npr.org. And let's go to Peter(ph... | our guest is, nadia arumugam a, food writer for slate, easy living and flavours. magazines, her piece on the expiration dates or the sell-by dates or the best-used-by dates appeared at. slate.com and, if you'd like to join the conversation our phone number; is 800-989-8255. email us: talk@npr.org and let's, go to. pete... | Our guest is Nadia Arumugam a food writer for Slate Easy Living and FLAVOURS magazines Her piece on the expiration dates or the sell-by dates or, the best-used-by dates appeared at Slate.com And if you'd like to join the conversation our phone number is; 800-989-8255. Email us: talk@npr.org And let's go. to Peter(ph), ... | our guest is nadia arumugam, a food writer for slate, easy living and flavours magazines. her piece on the expiration dates or the sell-by dates or the best-used-by dates appeared at slate.com. and if you'd like to join the conversation, our phone number is 800-989-8255. email us: talk@npr.org. and let's go to peter(ph... |
Hello. | hello. | ||
Hi, Peter. | hi | Hi | hi, peter. |
I have a story about... | i have a story | I have a story | i have a story about... |
Hi. | hi. | ||
...cultured buttermilk. And our power went out one day for about 24 hours, and we had to go on vacation the next day and the power was still out. Well, we came back a week later and my buttermilk was still good even though it was out of refrigeration for quite a while. And... | ...cultured buttermilk, and our power went, out one day for about 24 hours and we had, to go on vacation the next. day and the power was still out well we came back a week later and my buttermilk was still good even. though. it was out of refrigeration for quite a while | ...cultured buttermilk And our power went out one day, for about 24 hours and we had to go on vacation the next day, and the power was still out Well we came back a week, later and my buttermilk was still good even though it was out of. refrigeration for, quite a while | ...cultured buttermilk. and our power went out one day for about 24 hours, and we had to go on vacation the next day and the power was still out. well, we came back a week later and my buttermilk was still good even though it was out of refrigeration for quite a while. and... |
Hmm. | hmm. | ||
...the date doesn't really mean anything. I think it might last two months after the date. | ...the date doesn't really mean anything i think, it might. last two months after the | ...the date doesn't really mean anything I think it might last two months after the | ...the date doesn't really mean anything. i think it might last two months after the date. |
Well, cultured buttermilk, it probably learned how to start writing symphony orchestras by then. | well cultured buttermilk it probably learned how to start writing symphony orchestras by. | Well cultured buttermilk it probably learned how to start writing symphony orchestras by | well, cultured buttermilk, it probably learned how to start writing symphony orchestras by then. |
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Well, it is cultured. | well it is | Well it, is | well, it is cultured. |
That's a great story. | that's a great | That's a great | that's a great story. |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
But, Peter, you make a very interesting point, which is - and, you know, that - when I think about, you know, how to advise people or suggest to people that, you know, how they can decipher whether, you know, something they take out of their fridge is good to eat or not. You know, I say to them that it's not the arbitr... | but. peter you make a very interesting point which is - and, you know that - when i think about you know how to advise people or suggest to people that you know how they can decipher whether you. know something they, take out of their fridge, is good to eat or not you know, i say to them that it's. not the arbitrary da... | But Peter you make a very interesting point which is - and you know that - when. I think about you know how to advise people or suggest to people that you know how, they can decipher whether you know something they take out of their fridge is good to, eat or not You know I say to them that it's not the arbitrary date o... | but, peter, you make a very interesting point, which is - and, you know, that - when i think about, you know, how to advise people or suggest to people that, you know, how they can decipher whether, you know, something they take out of their fridge is good to eat or not. you know, i say to them that it's not the arbitr... |
Right. And the fact that it has not yet approached its expiration date doesn't mean it's perfectly safe either if it stinks. | right and the fact that it, has not yet approached its expiration date doesn't mean it's perfectly safe either if it | Right And the fact that it has not yet approached its expiration date doesn't mean it's perfectly safe either if it | right. and the fact that it has not yet approached its expiration date doesn't mean it's perfectly safe either if it stinks. |
Exactly. You know, if you... | exactly you know if | Exactly You know if | exactly. you know, if you... |
Basically, you can't - the handling in the distribution system, as you say, is vitally important, so if the supermarket left it out of refrigeration for a couple hours, it may not last. | basically you can't - the handling in the distribution system as, you say. is vitally, important. so if the supermarket left it out of refrigeration for a couple, hours it may not | Basically you can't - the handling in, the distribution system, as you say is vitally important so if the supermarket left it out of, refrigeration. for a couple hours; it may, not | basically, you can't - the handling in the distribution system, as you say, is vitally important, so if the supermarket left it out of refrigeration for a couple hours, it may not last. |
Hmm. Well, Peter, thanks very much and continue to enjoy your buttermilk. | hmm well peter thanks very much and continue to enjoy your | Hmm Well Peter thanks very much and continue to enjoy, your | hmm. well, peter, thanks very much and continue to enjoy your buttermilk. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
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Bye-bye. The interesting part also is you suggest that the kind of bacteria that develop when food gets - as you said at one point in your piece -mature in our refrigerator... | bye-bye the interesting part also is. you suggest that the kind of bacteria that develop when food gets - as you said at one. point in your piece -mature in our | Bye-bye The interesting part also is you suggest that the kind of bacteria that develop when food gets - as you said at one point in your piece -mature in our | bye-bye. the interesting part also is you suggest that the kind of bacteria that develop when food gets - as you said at one point in your piece -mature in our refrigerator... |
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...on our shelves is not necessarily going to wipe out the planet. | ...on our shelves is not necessarily going to wipe out the, | ...on our shelves is not necessarily, going. to wipe out the | ...on our shelves is not necessarily going to wipe out the planet. |
Right, no. And, again Neal, let me just emphasize. You know, I'm not a scientist, and I went into this as a layperson to educate myself. And so, you know, I spoke to a lot of people who really understand this, and I almost wish that everyone else could have these same conversations because it -they're really enlighteni... | right, no and, again neal let me just emphasize you know i'm not a scientist and i went into this as a, layperson, to educate myself and. so you know i spoke to, a lot of people who really understand this and i almost wish that everyone else could have. these same conversations because it. -they're really | Right no And again. Neal; let. me just emphasize You know I'm. not a scientist and I went into this, as a layperson to educate myself And so you know I spoke to a lot of people who really understand this and I almost wish that everyone else could have these same, conversations because it -they're really | right, no. and, again neal, let me just emphasize. you know, i'm not a scientist, and i went into this as a layperson to educate myself. and so, you know, i spoke to a lot of people who really understand this, and i almost wish that everyone else could have these same conversations because it -they're really enlighteni... |
And, you know, I didn't know that the difference between - there's a world of difference between a spoilage bacteria, which is - which are the bacteria that's making your food smell and, you know, turning your broccoli florets yellow, you know, and listeria and E. coli and salmonella which are pathogens and which are, ... | and you know i didn't know that the difference between - there's a world of difference between a spoilage bacteria which is - which are the bacteria that's making, your. food smell and you know turning your broccoli florets yellow you know and listeria and e coli and salmonella which are pathogens and which are you, kn... | And you know I didn't know that the difference between - there's a world of difference between a spoilage bacteria, which is - which are the bacteria that's making your food smell, and you know turning your broccoli florets, yellow you know and listeria and E coli and salmonella which are pathogens and which are you kn... | and, you know, i didn't know that the difference between - there's a world of difference between a spoilage bacteria, which is - which are the bacteria that's making your food smell and, you know, turning your broccoli florets yellow, you know, and listeria and e. coli and salmonella which are pathogens and which are, ... |
And those are there by result of bad handling at the plant, at the... | and those are there by result of bad handling at the plant at | And those are, there by result of bad handling at the plant at | and those are there by result of bad handling at the plant, at the... |
Exactly. And if your food is contaminated with E. coli, then, you know, you're in trouble, whether or not it's expired or not. | exactly and if your food is contaminated with e coli then you know you're in trouble whether or not it's expired or | Exactly, And if your food is contaminated. with E coli then you know you're in trouble whether or not it's, expired, or | exactly. and if your food is contaminated with e. coli, then, you know, you're in trouble, whether or not it's expired or not. |
Let's get Bill(ph) on the line, Bill calling us from Columbia, South Carolina. | let's get, bill(ph) on the line bill calling us from columbia south | Let's get Bill(ph) on the line Bill, calling us from Columbia South | let's get bill(ph) on the line, bill calling us from columbia, south carolina. |
Yes. Your guest is right on target. I have experience both in selling food and dairy products on routes and also working in restaurants, and I learned that - basically exactly what she's saying - it's more in the way that it is handled. The average household does not invest in thermometers for the refrigerator and free... | yes, your guest is right on target. i have. experience both in selling food and dairy products on routes and, also working in restaurants, and i learned that - basically exactly what she's saying - it's more. in the, way that it is handled the average household does not invest in thermometers for the refrigerator and | Yes Your guest is right on target I, have experience both in selling food and dairy products on routes and also working in restaurants and I learned, that - basically exactly what she's saying - it's more in the way that it is handled The average household does not invest in thermometers for the refrigerator and, | yes. your guest is right on target. i have experience both in selling food and dairy products on routes and also working in restaurants, and i learned that - basically exactly what she's saying - it's more in the way that it is handled. the average household does not invest in thermometers for the refrigerator and free... |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. | ||
...and does not realize the importance that the freezer should be between zero and minus 10, and the refrigerator should be between about 33 and 36 degrees. And... | ...and does not realize the importance that the freezer should be between zero and minus 10, and the refrigerator should be between about, 33 and 36 degrees | ...and does not realize the importance that. the freezer should be between zero and minus 10, and the refrigerator should be between about 33 and 36 degrees | ...and does not realize the importance that the freezer should be between zero and minus 10, and the refrigerator should be between about 33 and 36 degrees. and... |
In other words, if the ice cream is just as hard as a rock, isn't that good enough? | in other, words if the; ice cream is just as hard as; a rock isn't that good. | In other words if the ice cream is just as hard as a rock isn't that good | in other words, if the ice cream is just as hard as a rock, isn't that good enough? |
Pardon? | pardon? | ||
If the ice cream is just hard as a rock, isn't that a good enough temperature indicator? | if the ice cream is just hard as a rock isn't that a good enough temperature | If the ice cream is, just hard; as; a rock isn't that a good enough temperature | if the ice cream is just hard as a rock, isn't that a good enough temperature indicator? |
It...that is so often the case. But I have found, speaking of dairy products, another thing that I had discovered is that having sold dairy products and tasted them at various stages, with a dairy product, I can discern whether it is beginning to go bad because a milk or an ice cream or various dairy products, fluid pr... | it...that is so often the case but i have found speaking of dairy products another thing that i had discovered is that having sold dairy products and tasted them at various stages with a dairy product, i can discern whether it is beginning to go bad because a milk or an ice cream or various dairy products fluid product... | It...that is so often the case. But I have found speaking of dairy products. another thing that I had discovered is that having sold dairy products and tasted them at various stages. with a dairy product I can. discern whether it is beginning to go bad because a milk or an ice cream or various dairy products fluid prod... | it...that is so often the case. but i have found, speaking of dairy products, another thing that i had discovered is that having sold dairy products and tasted them at various stages, with a dairy product, i can discern whether it is beginning to go bad because a milk or an ice cream or various dairy products, fluid pr... |
Hmm. | hmm. | ||
...in the very earliest stages that they are - that the bacteria count is going up, for a day or two, it'll be sweeter. Then, you'll feel the sting on the tongue and know that it's going bad. | ...in the, very earliest stages that they are - that the bacteria. count is, going up for, a day or; two it'll be sweeter then you'll feel the sting on the, tongue and know that it's going | ...in the, very earliest stages that they are - that the, bacteria count is going up for a day or two it'll be sweeter Then you'll feel the sting on the tongue and know that it's going | ...in the very earliest stages that they are - that the bacteria count is going up, for a day or two, it'll be sweeter. then, you'll feel the sting on the tongue and know that it's going bad. |
Going rancid, yes. | going rancid | Going rancid | going rancid, yes. |
So you can get a little bit of a heads up there. | so you can get a; little bit of a heads up | So you can get a little bit of a, heads up | so you can get a little bit of a heads up there. |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. | ||
But what she said, the way it is handled is absolutely right because I keep my refrigerator and freezer at the marks that I learned in the restaurant business. | but what she said the way it is handled is absolutely right because i keep my, refrigerator and freezer at the, marks that i learned in the restaurant. | But what she said. the way it, is, handled is absolutely; right because I keep my refrigerator and freezer at the marks that, I learned in the restaurant | but what she said, the way it is handled is absolutely right because i keep my refrigerator and freezer at the marks that i learned in the restaurant business. |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. | ||
And I handle - if I've got to travel a distance, I have a cooler with me so that my perishables go in the cooler instead of sitting in a hot car or a trunk, and keep them at the temperatures. And I have had dairy products good a month after the expiration date. | and i handle - if i've got to travel a distance i have a cooler with, me so that my perishables go in the cooler instead of sitting in. a hot car or a trunk and keep them at, the temperatures and i have had dairy products good a month after the, expiration. | And. I handle - if. I've got to travel a distance I, have a cooler with me so that. my perishables, go in the cooler instead of, sitting in a hot. car or a, trunk and keep them at the temperatures And I. have had dairy products good a month after the expiration | and i handle - if i've got to travel a distance, i have a cooler with me so that my perishables go in the cooler instead of sitting in a hot car or a trunk, and keep them at the temperatures. and i have had dairy products good a month after the expiration date. |
Well. | well. | ||
It's all to do with the handling. And if at any - if any weak link in the chain can spoil it, and that is, it could be between the warehouse and the store, sitting on the floor in the store before it goes into the refrigerated case, mishandling in any ways can do it. So... | it's all to do with the handling and if at any - if any weak link in the, chain can. spoil it and that is it could. be between the warehouse and the store. sitting on the floor in the store before, it goes into the refrigerated case mishandling in any ways can do it | It's all to do with the handling And if at any - if any weak link in the chain can spoil it and that is it could be between, the warehouse and the store. sitting on the. floor in the store before it goes into the refrigerated, case mishandling in any ways can do it, | it's all to do with the handling. and if at any - if any weak link in the chain can spoil it, and that is, it could be between the warehouse and the store, sitting on the floor in the store before it goes into the refrigerated case, mishandling in any ways can do it. so... |
And Bill, are you now in the refrigerator and freezer thermometer business? | and, bill are you now in the refrigerator and freezer thermometer. | And Bill are you now in the refrigerator and freezer thermometer | and bill, are you now in the refrigerator and freezer thermometer business? |
You know Neal, I wonder if I could share a little anecdote with you. You know, Bill's story reminded me of it. When I was working on this story, I happened to chance upon a yogurt that I had in my fridge. It was a vanilla yogurt. And I had forgotten about it and it was right at the back of my fridge and it was eight mo... | you know neal i wonder if i could share a little anecdote with. you you know bill's. story reminded me of it when i was working on this story. i happened to chance upon a yogurt that i had in my fridge it was a vanilla yogurt and i had; forgotten about. it and it was right at the back of my fridge and it was eight mont... | You know Neal I wonder if I could share a little anecdote with you You know Bill's story reminded me of it When I was working on this story I happened. to chance upon a yogurt that I had in. my fridge It was a vanilla yogurt And I had forgotten about it and it was right at the back of my fridge. and it was eight, month... | you know neal, i wonder if i could share a little anecdote with you. you know, bill's story reminded me of it. when i was working on this story, i happened to chance upon a yogurt that i had in my fridge. it was a vanilla yogurt. and i had forgotten about it and it was right at the back of my fridge and it was eight mo... |
Eight months? | eight | Eight | eight months? |
Eight months. And I hope this doesn't turn anyone's stomach. But I took it out and I opened it up and it had set slightly. And I just took a spoon and I sort of whipped it and it turned into a very smooth, fluid consistency. And I thought, you know what, this smells of vanilla. It, you know, it seems like I can eat it,... | eight. months and i hope this doesn't turn anyone's stomach but i took it out and i opened it up and it had, set slightly and i just took. a spoon and i sort of whipped it, and, it. turned into a very smooth fluid consistency and i thought. you know what this smells, of vanilla it you, know it seems like i can eat. it ... | Eight months And I hope this doesn't turn, anyone's stomach But I took it out and I opened it up, and it had set slightly And, I just took a spoon and I sort of whipped it and it turned into a very smooth fluid consistency And I thought you know what this smells of vanilla It you know it seems like I can eat it so I at... | eight months. and i hope this doesn't turn anyone's stomach. but i took it out and i opened it up and it had set slightly. and i just took a spoon and i sort of whipped it and it turned into a very smooth, fluid consistency. and i thought, you know what, this smells of vanilla. it, you know, it seems like i can eat it,... |
And then a couple of days later, I had a yogurt with me that I'd taken to work and it was in my bag. And I had spent the whole day rushing around New York. I was in the subway. It was getting nice and warm in my bag, and jiggling around. And when I eventually came to eat it that evening, I opened it up and it had separ... | and then a couple of days later i had a yogurt. with me that i'd taken to work and it was in my bag and, i had, spent the whole day rushing around new york i was in the subway it was getting nice and warm in my bag and jiggling around and when i eventually came to eat it that evening i, opened it up and it had separate... | And then a couple. of days later I had a yogurt with me that I'd taken to work and it was in, my bag And I had spent, the whole day rushing around. New York I was in the subway It, was getting nice and warm in my bag and. jiggling. around And when. I eventually came to eat it that evening I opened it up and it had sepa... | and then a couple of days later, i had a yogurt with me that i'd taken to work and it was in my bag. and i had spent the whole day rushing around new york. i was in the subway. it was getting nice and warm in my bag, and jiggling around. and when i eventually came to eat it that evening, i opened it up and it had separ... |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. | ||
And, you know, I thought I'm definitely not eating this. And that yogurt was well within its shelf life. | and you know i thought i'm. definitely not eating this and that yogurt was well within its shelf | And you know. I thought I'm definitely not eating this And that yogurt, was well, within its shelf | and, you know, i thought i'm definitely not eating this. and that yogurt was well within its shelf life. |
Yeah, probably made a wise decision. Nadia Arumugam is a food critic and freelance writer for Slate, Easy Living and FLAVOURS magazines. You're listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. | yeah probably. made, a wise decision nadia, arumugam is a food critic and freelance writer for slate easy living. and. flavours magazines you're listening to talk of the nation from npr | Yeah probably made a wise decision Nadia Arumugam is a food critic, and freelance writer for Slate Easy Living and FLAVOURS magazines You're listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR | yeah, probably made a wise decision. nadia arumugam is a food critic and freelance writer for slate, easy living and flavours magazines. you're listening to talk of the nation from npr news. |
And let's go to some emails. This from Dell(ph) in Florida. If properly canned, is it true that canned foods are good for many, many years? | and let's go to some emails this from dell(ph) in florida if properly canned is it true that canned foods are good for many many | And let's go to some emails This from Dell(ph) in. Florida If. properly canned is it. true that canned foods are good for many many | and let's go to some emails. this from dell(ph) in florida. if properly canned, is it true that canned foods are good for many, many years? |
Yes. You know, when I spoke to all the consultants and scientists, you know, they said that, you know, they suggested, you know, five years from the time that you purchased the canned good. There's some sort of variations, you know, if it's very acidic, whatever is in the can is very acidic, then you should maybe use i... | yes you know when, i spoke to all the consultants, and scientists, you know. they said that you know, they suggested, you, know five years from the time that you purchased the canned good there's some sort of variations you know if it's very. acidic whatever is in the can is very acidic then you should maybe use it, wi... | Yes You know when I spoke to all the consultants and. scientists you know they said. that you know they suggested you know five years from the time that you purchased the canned good There's some sort of variations you know if it's very acidic whatever is in. the, can. is very acidic then. you should. maybe use it with... | yes. you know, when i spoke to all the consultants and scientists, you know, they said that, you know, they suggested, you know, five years from the time that you purchased the canned good. there's some sort of variations, you know, if it's very acidic, whatever is in the can is very acidic, then you should maybe use i... |
And no matter how old it is, if it's bulging, that's a bad sign. | and no matter how old it is if it's bulging that's a bad | And no matter how; old it is if it's bulging that's a bad, | and no matter how old it is, if it's bulging, that's a bad sign. |
Exactly. | exactly. | ||
Anyway, let's go to Frank(ph). Frank with us from Tucson. | anyway let's go to frank(ph). frank with us from | Anyway let's go to Frank(ph). Frank with us from | anyway, let's go to frank(ph). frank with us from tucson. |
Hey, Neal, thanks for taking my call. | hey neal thanks for taking my | Hey Neal thanks for taking my | hey, neal, thanks for taking my call. |
Sure. | sure. | ||
I think refrigerators should be looked at before eight months, so that way you can find those yogurts. | i think refrigerators should be looked at before eight months so that way you can find those | I think. refrigerators, should be looked at before eight months so that way you can find those | i think refrigerators should be looked at before eight months, so that way you can find those yogurts. |
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