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I just wanted to say one point about the introspection, because I think that's very interesting, and it really does relate to Fawcett. Fawcett would go on these journeys, even before he disappeared in his final expedition in search of Z, and he would go for a year, two years without contact with the outside world, with... | i just wanted to say one point about the introspection because i think that's very interesting and it really does relate to fawcett fawcett would go on these journeys even; before he disappeared in his final expedition in search of z and he. would go for a year two years without contact, with the outside world with jus... | I just wanted to say. one point about the introspection because I; think that's very interesting and it really does relate to Fawcett. Fawcett would go on these journeys even before. he disappeared in his final expedition in search of Z and he would go for a year two years without contact with the outside world with ju... | i just wanted to say one point about the introspection, because i think that's very interesting, and it really does relate to fawcett. fawcett would go on these journeys, even before he disappeared in his final expedition in search of z, and he would go for a year, two years without contact with the outside world, with... |
Well, Graham, thanks for that call. We're talking about explorers and obsessions. David Grann's new book is called "The Lost City of Z." We'll talk more about his own obsession with this story in a moment. And we're taking your calls at 800-989-8255, or drop us an email. The address is talk@npr.org. I'm Joe Palca. It's... | well graham thanks for that call we're talking about explorers and obsessions david grann's new book is called "the lost city of z" we'll talk more about his; own obsession with this story, in a moment and we're taking your calls at 800-989-8255, or drop. us an email the address. is talk@npr.org. i'm joe palca it's tal... | Well Graham thanks for that call We're talking about explorers and obsessions David Grann's new book is called "The Lost City of Z" We'll talk more about his own. obsession with this; story in a moment And we're taking, your calls. at 800-989-8255, or drop us an email The address. is talk@npr.org I'm Joe Palca, It's. T... | well, graham, thanks for that call. we're talking about explorers and obsessions. david grann's new book is called "the lost city of z." we'll talk more about his own obsession with this story in a moment. and we're taking your calls at 800-989-8255, or drop us an email. the address is talk@npr.org. i'm joe palca. it's... |
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This is Talk of the Nation. I'm Joe Palca in Washington. "The Lost City of Z" is a story all about obsession - the obsession of the explorer Percy Fawcett to find the magical city of El Dorado; the obsession of the author of the book, David Grann; and the obsession of many other explorers to take the risks they do. | this is talk of the nation i'm; joe palca in washington, "the lost city of z" is a. story all about obsession - the obsession of the explorer. percy fawcett to find the magical city of el dorado. the obsession of; the author of the book david grann and the obsession of many, other explorers to; take the risks. they | This is Talk of the. Nation I'm Joe Palca, in Washington, "The Lost City of Z" is a story all about obsession - the obsession of the explorer Percy Fawcett to find the magical city of El Dorado the obsession of the author. of the book David Grann and the obsession of many other, explorers to take the risks, they | this is talk of the nation. i'm joe palca in washington. "the lost city of z" is a story all about obsession - the obsession of the explorer percy fawcett to find the magical city of el dorado; the obsession of the author of the book, david grann; and the obsession of many other explorers to take the risks they do. |
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Today, we want to hear from you and your - from you explorers in the audience. Have you taken a trip to the South Pole, to Everest or K2, to the heart of the Amazon? Tell us why you did it. Our number here in Washington is 800-989-8255. Our email address is talk@npr.org. And you can join the conversation at our Web sit... | today. we want to hear from you and your - from you, explorers in the audience have you taken, a trip to the south pole to everest. or, k2, to the heart of the amazon? tell us why you did it, our number here in washington is 800-989-8255. our email address is talk@npr.org and you can join the, conversation. at our web ... | Today we want to, hear from you and your - from, you explorers in the audience Have you taken a trip to the South, Pole to Everest, or, K2, to the heart of the Amazon? Tell. us why you did it Our number here in Washington is 800-989-8255. Our email address is talk@npr.org And, you can join the, conversation at our Web ... | today, we want to hear from you and your - from you explorers in the audience. have you taken a trip to the south pole, to everest or k2, to the heart of the amazon? tell us why you did it. our number here in washington is 800-989-8255. our email address is talk@npr.org. and you can join the conversation at our web sit... |
I wanted to ask you about the difference in travel today with what Fawcett experienced 80 years ago. And the reason I'm thinking about this - it's about - oh gosh, it's now 15 or 18 years ago. I made it to the South Pole. Wow! You know, the South Pole, and it's pretty darn impressive, and I'm glad I went. But I got on ... | i, wanted to ask you about the difference in travel today with what fawcett experienced 80 years ago and the. reason i'm thinking about this - it's about, - oh gosh it's, now 15 or 18 years ago i made it to the south pole wow! you know the south pole and it's pretty darn impressive and i'm glad, i went but. i got on, a... | I wanted to ask you about. the difference in travel today, with, what Fawcett experienced 80 years ago And the reason I'm thinking about this - it's about - oh gosh, it's now 15 or. 18 years, ago I made it to the South Pole Wow! You. know the South Pole and it's pretty. darn impressive and, I'm glad I went But I got on... | i wanted to ask you about the difference in travel today with what fawcett experienced 80 years ago. and the reason i'm thinking about this - it's about - oh gosh, it's now 15 or 18 years ago. i made it to the south pole. wow! you know, the south pole, and it's pretty darn impressive, and i'm glad i went. but i got on ... |
And apart from the fact that I had to sit down for a really long time, it wasn't like what I would call strenuous. And once I was at the Pole, the big decision was whether to have Bailey's Irish Cream or, you know, beer with my dinner or something like that. | and. apart from the fact that i had to sit down for a really long time it wasn't like what i, would; call, strenuous and once i was at the pole the big decision was whether to have bailey's irish cream or you know beer with my dinner or something like | And apart from the fact that, I. had to sit down for a really long time it wasn't like what I would call strenuous And once I was at the Pole the big decision was whether to; have, Bailey's Irish Cream or you know beer with my. dinner or something like | and apart from the fact that i had to sit down for a really long time, it wasn't like what i would call strenuous. and once i was at the pole, the big decision was whether to have bailey's irish cream or, you know, beer with my dinner or something like that. |
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I remember Bailey's, for some reason, was very popular at the South Pole when I was there. And I felt a bit of a fraud, because these initial explorers were putting it all out there. And you describe in your book - you had cars and planes get you a large proportion of the way. But it felt like you were much closer to t... | i. remember bailey's for some, reason was very popular at the; south pole when i was there and i felt a bit, of a fraud, because these initial explorers were putting it all out there and you describe in your book - you had cars and planes get you, a large proportion of the way but, it felt like you were much closer to ... | I remember Bailey's for some. reason was very popular at the South Pole when I was there And I felt a bit of a fraud because these initial explorers were putting it all out there And you describe; in your book - you had cars and planes get you a large proportion of the way But it felt like you. were much closer to. the... | i remember bailey's, for some reason, was very popular at the south pole when i was there. and i felt a bit of a fraud, because these initial explorers were putting it all out there. and you describe in your book - you had cars and planes get you a large proportion of the way. but it felt like you were much closer to t... |
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One of the things I try to do in the book is alternate chapters between the past and the present. And my hope in doing that was to really juxtapose and show how the world had changed and how the Amazon had changed. And so, to get a little bit to your point, when we started out on the trip, we left from Cuiaba, which is... | one of. the things i try to do in the book is alternate chapters between the, past and the, present and my. hope in doing that was to really juxtapose and show how the world had changed and how the amazon had changed and so to get a little. bit to your point when we, started out on the trip we left from cuiaba which is... | One of the things, I try to do in the book is alternate chapters between the past and the present And my hope in doing that was to really juxtapose and show how the world had changed and how the Amazon had changed And so to get a little bit to your point when we started out on the, trip we left from Cuiaba; which is th... | one of the things i try to do in the book is alternate chapters between the past and the present. and my hope in doing that was to really juxtapose and show how the world had changed and how the amazon had changed. and so, to get a little bit to your point, when we started out on the trip, we left from cuiaba, which is... |
And I had Fawcett's letters with me. And I'm reading his letters, and he's describing just hacking through dense jungle. It's so intense. He had taken his oldest son with him. They become separated at one point, and the third companion is sick. Now, I'm looking out the window of the car, and it looks like Nebraska. The... | and i had fawcett's letters with me and i'm reading his letters and. he's describing just hacking through dense jungle, it's, so intense; he had taken his oldest son with him they become separated, at one point and the third companion. is, sick; now i'm looking out the window, of the car and it looks. like nebraska the... | And I had Fawcett's letters with me And I'm reading his. letters and he's describing just hacking through, dense jungle It's, so intense He had taken, his oldest son with him They become separated at one point and the third companion, is sick Now I'm looking out the window of the car, and it looks like Nebraska There's... | and i had fawcett's letters with me. and i'm reading his letters, and he's describing just hacking through dense jungle. it's so intense. he had taken his oldest son with him. they become separated at one point, and the third companion is sick. now, i'm looking out the window of the car, and it looks like nebraska. the... |
So, the beginning of the trip - and I try to show that - is just one example of how - this is only - it was 1925, 2005 - so what, about 80 years? - how the world had changed. But as we move further north into the jungle, there really still are dense pockets of wilderness in the jungle. And so, for the latter part of th... | so the, beginning of the trip - and i try to show. that - is just one example of how - this is only - it was 1925, 2005 - so what about 80 years? - how the world. had changed but as we move further north into the, jungle there really still are dense pockets of wilderness in the jungle and so for the latter part of the ... | So the beginning of the trip, - and I try to show that. - is just one, example of how - this is. only - it was 1925, 2005 - so what about 80 years? - how. the world had changed But as we move further north into the jungle there really still are dense pockets of wilderness in. the jungle And so, for the latter part of t... | so, the beginning of the trip - and i try to show that - is just one example of how - this is only - it was 1925, 2005 - so what, about 80 years? - how the world had changed. but as we move further north into the jungle, there really still are dense pockets of wilderness in the jungle. and so, for the latter part of th... |
Yeah. Good things to have in those circumstances. Well, let's take some more of our intrepid callers and see what they have to say. Jake from Golden, Colorado. Welcome to Talk of the Nation. | yeah good things to have in those circumstances well let's take some more of our intrepid callers and see what they have to say jake from golden colorado welcome to talk of the | Yeah, Good things to have. in those circumstances Well let's take some more of our intrepid callers and see what. they have to say Jake from Golden Colorado Welcome to Talk of the, | yeah. good things to have in those circumstances. well, let's take some more of our intrepid callers and see what they have to say. jake from golden, colorado. welcome to talk of the nation. |
Hi. Hi, Bill and everyone. Thanks for having me on here. I'm an explorer, I guess, an adventurer, and really fascinated personally by the cerebral aspects of exploration. I am also the director of a mountaineering museum here in - the American Mountaineering Museum here in Golden, Colorado, and was fortunate enough to ... | hi hi bill and, everyone thanks for having me on. here i'm an explorer i guess an adventurer and, really fascinated personally by. the cerebral aspects of exploration i am also the director of a mountaineering museum here in - the american mountaineering museum here in golden colorado and was fortunate enough to take, ... | Hi Hi Bill, and everyone Thanks for having me on here I'm an explorer I guess an adventurer and really fascinated personally by the. cerebral aspects, of exploration I. am. also the director of a mountaineering museum here in - the American Mountaineering Museum here in Golden Colorado and was. fortunate, enough to tak... | hi. hi, bill and everyone. thanks for having me on here. i'm an explorer, i guess, an adventurer, and really fascinated personally by the cerebral aspects of exploration. i am also the director of a mountaineering museum here in - the american mountaineering museum here in golden, colorado, and was fortunate enough to ... |
But it's interesting that you described your own sense of obsession in going back to find him. | but it's interesting that you described your. own sense of obsession in going back to find | But it's interesting that you described your own sense of obsession in going back to, find | but it's interesting that you described your own sense of obsession in going back to find him. |
Yeah, yeah. You know, it was - you know, it was interesting because in some senses, we - you know, we were obsessed with finding him and putting ourselves at great risk in order to attempt to find his remains. So, it is an interesting, almost dichotomous relationship, because on the one had, we recognized his obsession... | yeah; yeah you know it was, - you know it was interesting because, in some senses we - you know. we were obsessed with finding, him and putting ourselves at great risk in order to attempt; to find his remains so it, is an interesting almost dichotomous, relationship because on the one. had we recognized his obsession t... | Yeah yeah You know it was - you, know it was interesting because in some, senses we - you know we were obsessed with. finding him. and putting ourselves at great risk in order to attempt to find his remains So it is an interesting almost dichotomous relationship because on the one had, we recognized his obsession that ... | yeah, yeah. you know, it was - you know, it was interesting because in some senses, we - you know, we were obsessed with finding him and putting ourselves at great risk in order to attempt to find his remains. so, it is an interesting, almost dichotomous relationship, because on the one had, we recognized his obsession... |
One of the very interesting things that has some parallels with your story is, after Fawcett disappeared in 1925 with son and his companions, he had warned that nobody should follow in his wake because it was too dangerous. And literally, scores of people plunged into the wilderness trying to recover his party alive or... | one of the. very interesting things that has some, parallels. with your story is after fawcett, disappeared in 1925 with son and his companions he had warned that. nobody should follow in his wake because it was too dangerous and literally scores of people plunged into the wilderness trying to recover his party, alive ... | One, of the very interesting things. that has some parallels with your story is after Fawcett disappeared in 1925 with son and his companions he had warned, that nobody should follow in his wake because it was too dangerous And literally scores of. people plunged into the wilderness trying to recover his party alive or... | one of the very interesting things that has some parallels with your story is, after fawcett disappeared in 1925 with son and his companions, he had warned that nobody should follow in his wake because it was too dangerous. and literally, scores of people plunged into the wilderness trying to recover his party alive or... |
Jake, thanks for that call. David, are you - I want to jump to the punch line here. Are you satisfied that - how far was Fawcett from finding what he was after? Are you satisfied that you know what happened to him? And did you find the City of Z? | jake, thanks for that call david are you - i want, to jump to the, punch line here are, you satisfied that - how far was fawcett from finding what he was after? are you satisfied that you know what, happened to him? and did you find the city of | Jake thanks for that; call David are you - I want to jump to the punch line here Are you satisfied. that - how far was Fawcett from finding what he, was after? Are you satisfied, that you know what happened to him? And did you find the City of | jake, thanks for that call. david, are you - i want to jump to the punch line here. are you satisfied that - how far was fawcett from finding what he was after? are you satisfied that you know what happened to him? and did you find the city of z? |
Did I find the city? Yeah. I mean the interesting thing about this mystery - it's often called the greatest exploration mystery of the 20th century - is that it really has two separate components. It's two mysteries wrapped into one, which is - there's the mystery of what happened to Fawcett, a man who was pretty much ... | did i find the city? yeah i; mean the interesting thing about this mystery, - it's often called the greatest exploration mystery of the 20th century - is that it really has two separate components it's two mysteries wrapped into one which is. - there's the mystery of what happened to fawcett a man who was pretty; much ... | Did I, find the city? Yeah I mean the interesting thing about this mystery - it's often called the greatest, exploration mystery of the 20th century - is that it. really has, two separate components It's two mysteries wrapped. into one which is, - there's the, mystery of what happened to Fawcett a man who was pretty mu... | did i find the city? yeah. i mean the interesting thing about this mystery - it's often called the greatest exploration mystery of the 20th century - is that it really has two separate components. it's two mysteries wrapped into one, which is - there's the mystery of what happened to fawcett, a man who was pretty much ... |
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And in tracing his path and staying with various tribes that he stayed with, one of the really interesting things was that many of the tribes, even though they don't have written records, they have oral histories, and these oral histories are passed down for generations with incredible precision. And Fawcett and his pa... | and in tracing his, path and staying with various tribes that he, stayed with one of the. really interesting. things was that many of the tribes even though they don't have written records they have oral histories and these oral histories, are passed down; for generations with incredible precision and. fawcett and his ... | And in, tracing his path and staying with various tribes that he; stayed with one of the really interesting things was that, many of the tribes even though they don't have; written records they. have oral histories and these oral, histories are passed down for generations with incredible precision And Fawcett and his p... | and in tracing his path and staying with various tribes that he stayed with, one of the really interesting things was that many of the tribes, even though they don't have written records, they have oral histories, and these oral histories are passed down for generations with incredible precision. and fawcett and his pa... |
And then, the second part was this question of Z. And I eventually met up with an archaeologist working in the very area where Fawcett believed Z would be, a man named Michael Heckenberger. And he had uncovered ruins, remnants of 20 pre-Colombian settlements. And there's now, really, a revolution in archeology, and in ... | and, then the second part was this question of z and. i eventually met up with an archaeologist working in the. very area where. fawcett believed z would be a man named michael heckenberger and he, had uncovered ruins remnants of 20 pre-colombian settlements and there's now really a revolution in archeology and in our ... | And then the second part was this question of Z And I eventually met up with. an archaeologist working in the very area where Fawcett; believed Z would be a man named Michael Heckenberger And he had uncovered ruins remnants of 20 pre-Colombian settlements And there's now really, a revolution in archeology, and in our u... | and then, the second part was this question of z. and i eventually met up with an archaeologist working in the very area where fawcett believed z would be, a man named michael heckenberger. and he had uncovered ruins, remnants of 20 pre-colombian settlements. and there's now, really, a revolution in archeology, and in ... |
Right. And that Fawcett got awfully close. | right and that fawcett got awfully | Right And that Fawcett got awfully | right. and that fawcett got awfully close. |
Very close. | very. | Very | very close. |
Although - what finally happened to him? | although - what finally. happened to | Although - what finally happened to | although - what finally happened to him? |
Well, I got as close as I could. But even as Paulo - my guide - Pinochet said at the very end, he said, only the forest knows all. | well i got as close as i could but even as paulo, - my guide - pinochet said at the very end he said only the forest knows | Well, I got as close as I could But even as Paulo - my guide - Pinochet said at the very end he said only the forest knows | well, i got as close as i could. but even as paulo - my guide - pinochet said at the very end, he said, only the forest knows all. |
Well, and she ain't telling, I guess. | well and she ain't telling i; | Well, and. she ain't telling I | well, and she ain't telling, i guess. |
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Let's go to another call now. And Anton in San Francisco, welcome to Talk of the Nation. | let's go to another call now and anton in san francisco welcome to talk of the | Let's, go to another call now And Anton in San Francisco welcome to. Talk of the | let's go to another call now. and anton in san francisco, welcome to talk of the nation. |
Hi. Good afternoon. Thank you for taking my call. | hi good afternoon thank you for taking my | Hi Good afternoon Thank you for, taking my | hi. good afternoon. thank you for taking my call. |
Sure. | sure. | ||
Yeah. My - I mean, I'm originally from South Africa. I grew up in South Africa in the apartheid era, and I was always filled with questions about, you know, life on the outside, because there was very - kind of restrictive travel in South Africa at that time. So, my passion for exploration, I think, was more a cultural... | yeah my - i mean i'm. originally from south africa i grew up in south africa in. the, apartheid era and i was always. filled with questions about you know life on the, outside because there was very - kind of restrictive. travel in south africa at that time so my passion, for exploration i. think was more a cultural pa... | Yeah My - I mean I'm originally from South Africa I grew up in South Africa. in the, apartheid era and I was always filled with questions about you know life on the outside because there was very - kind of restrictive travel in South Africa at that time So my passion for exploration I think was more a cultural passion ... | yeah. my - i mean, i'm originally from south africa. i grew up in south africa in the apartheid era, and i was always filled with questions about, you know, life on the outside, because there was very - kind of restrictive travel in south africa at that time. so, my passion for exploration, i think, was more a cultural... |
And what do you do now? | and what do you do | And what do. you do | and what do you do now? |
Right now, I'm a documentary filmmaker. | right now i'm a documentary | Right now I'm a documentary | right now, i'm a documentary filmmaker. |
So, I still explore, you know, every opportunity I get, whether it's the mud volcanoes in southern California or people in Mozambique - you know, small villages in Botswana. I just recently went to Botswana on a short trip, and just living with the people on the ground and seeing how they eat, how you negotiate for foo... | so i still explore you know every opportunity i get whether it's the mud volcanoes in southern. california or people in mozambique - you know small. villages in botswana i. just recently went to botswana on a short trip. and just living with the people on. the. ground and, seeing how they eat how you negotiate for food... | So I still explore you know every opportunity I get whether it's. the mud volcanoes in southern California or people in Mozambique - you know small villages in; Botswana I just recently went to Botswana on a short trip and just, living with the people on the ground and seeing how they eat how you negotiate for food how... | so, i still explore, you know, every opportunity i get, whether it's the mud volcanoes in southern california or people in mozambique - you know, small villages in botswana. i just recently went to botswana on a short trip, and just living with the people on the ground and seeing how they eat, how you negotiate for foo... |
Interesting. And unfortunately, disappearing, but Anton, thanks for that call. | interesting, and unfortunately disappearing but anton, thanks; for that | Interesting And unfortunately disappearing but. Anton thanks for that | interesting. and unfortunately, disappearing, but anton, thanks for that call. |
You're very welcome. | you're very | You're very | you're very welcome. |
Let's take another call now and go to Dennis in Riverside, California. Welcome to Talk of the Nation. | let's take another. call now and go to. dennis in riverside california welcome to talk of. the | Let's take another call now and, go to Dennis in Riverside California Welcome, to Talk of the | let's take another call now and go to dennis in riverside, california. welcome to talk of the nation. |
Thank you. Thanks for letting me be on. I have a slightly different type of question. I grew up in a little town up in the Andes as a teenager, and there was a family there named Fawcett, and there was an airline in Peru named Fawcett. And this family was a fairly well-established family in Peru, and I know that the Fa... | thank you thanks for letting me be. on; i have a slightly different type of question i grew up, in a little town up in; the andes as a teenager and there was a family there named fawcett and there was an airline in peru named fawcett and this family was a fairly well-established, family in. peru and i know that the faw... | Thank you Thanks. for letting me be on I have a, slightly, different type of question I grew up in. a little town up in the Andes as a teenager and there was a family there named Fawcett and there was an airline in Peru named Fawcett And this family was a fairly well-established family in Peru and I know that the Fawce... | thank you. thanks for letting me be on. i have a slightly different type of question. i grew up in a little town up in the andes as a teenager, and there was a family there named fawcett, and there was an airline in peru named fawcett. and this family was a fairly well-established family in peru, and i know that the fa... |
Dave Grann? | dave; | Dave | dave grann? |
Yeah. That's a great question. I have seen the references to the Fawcett Airline, and I was never sure if that was named after him, but Fawcett's son, his youngest son - he had three children. His older son went with him and vanished with him. But his son, who lived into the late '70s, early '80s, had lived in Peru. In... | yeah that's a. great. question i have seen. the references to the fawcett airline and i was never sure if that was named after him. but fawcett's son his youngest son - he had three children his older, son went with him, and vanished with him but his son who lived into the late. '70s early '80s had. lived, in peru in f... | Yeah, That's a great question I have seen the references to the Fawcett Airline and I, was never sure if. that was named after him but, Fawcett's son his, youngest son - he had three children His older son went with him and vanished with him But his son who lived. into the, late '70s early '80s had lived in Peru In fac... | yeah. that's a great question. i have seen the references to the fawcett airline, and i was never sure if that was named after him, but fawcett's son, his youngest son - he had three children. his older son went with him and vanished with him. but his son, who lived into the late '70s, early '80s, had lived in peru. in... |
Interesting. | interesting. | ||
OK. | ok. | ||
Dennis, thanks for that. | dennis thanks for, | Dennis thanks for | dennis, thanks for that. |
Well, I was a neighbor of that woman you were describing. | well i was a. neighbor of that woman you were | Well I was a neighbor. of that woman you were | well, i was a neighbor of that woman you were describing. |
Oh, that's amazing. | oh that's | Oh that's | oh, that's amazing. |
That is. Wow. All right. Well, Dennis, thanks for calling in with that. | that is wow all right well dennis thanks for calling in with | That is Wow All right Well Dennis thanks for calling in with | that is. wow. all right. well, dennis, thanks for calling in with that. |
Thank you for the information. | thank you for the | Thank you for the | thank you for the information. |
Sure. It's always nice to - I found out that there's a town called Palca in the Andes or - near La Paz so - but no explorers, no. We didn't know, we - very - no, no, no. | sure it's always nice to. - i found out that there's a town called palca in the andes or - near la. paz so - but, no explorers no we didn't know we - very - no no | Sure It's always nice to. - I found out, that there's a town called Palca in the Andes or - near La Paz so - but no explorers no; We didn't know, we. - very - no no | sure. it's always nice to - i found out that there's a town called palca in the andes or - near la paz so - but no explorers, no. we didn't know, we - very - no, no, no. |
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Let's take another call now, from Eric in Elizabeth, Colorado. Welcome to Talk of the Nation. | let's take, another call now. from eric in elizabeth colorado welcome, to talk of the | Let's take another call now from Eric in Elizabeth Colorado Welcome to Talk of the | let's take another call now, from eric in elizabeth, colorado. welcome to talk of the nation. |
Hey there. Thanks. So, I don't know where you draw the line between travel and adventure. I suppose, you know, what I have done would fall under the heading of travel, especially when compared with Fawcett and other great adventurers. But I've, you know, traveled in Alaska, and that was my great adventure of my youth, ... | hey there thanks so i don't know where you draw the line between travel and adventure i suppose you know what i have done would fall under the heading of travel especially when compared with fawcett and other great adventurers. but i've you. know traveled in alaska and that was my great; adventure of my youth when i. g... | Hey there Thanks, So I don't know where you draw the line between travel, and adventure I suppose. you know what I have done would fall under the heading, of travel. especially when compared with Fawcett. and other great adventurers But I've you know, traveled in Alaska. and that was my great adventure of my youth. whe... | hey there. thanks. so, i don't know where you draw the line between travel and adventure. i suppose, you know, what i have done would fall under the heading of travel, especially when compared with fawcett and other great adventurers. but i've, you know, traveled in alaska, and that was my great adventure of my youth, ... |
We would hear stories about Kurdistan. We, obviously, were fully aware of the Anfal campaign, the genocide, against the Kurds in the late '80s. We were constantly called to rally, to demonstrate... | we would hear stories about. kurdistan we obviously were fully aware of the anfal campaign the genocide against the kurds in the late '80s we, were constantly called to; rally to | We would, hear stories about Kurdistan We obviously were fully aware; of the Anfal campaign the genocide against the Kurds in the late '80s We were constantly called. to rally to | we would hear stories about kurdistan. we, obviously, were fully aware of the anfal campaign, the genocide, against the kurds in the late '80s. we were constantly called to rally, to demonstrate... |
But, my question - I've always been fascinated by stories of explorers and obviously, Sir Francis Burton is one of them. And I think of what drives adventurers, and I think of what kinds of personalities they had. Burton always comes off, especially in the Rice biography, as being sort of dour and extreme. And then I t... | but my question - i've always been fascinated by stories of explorers and obviously sir, francis burton is one of them and i think of what drives adventurers and i think of. what kinds of; personalities; they had burton always comes off especially in the rice biography as being sort of; dour and extreme, and then i thi... | But my question - I've always been fascinated by stories of explorers and obviously Sir Francis Burton is one of them And I think of what drives adventurers and I think of what kinds of personalities they had. Burton always comes off especially, in the, Rice biography as being sort of dour and extreme And then I think,... | but, my question - i've always been fascinated by stories of explorers and obviously, sir francis burton is one of them. and i think of what drives adventurers, and i think of what kinds of personalities they had. burton always comes off, especially in the rice biography, as being sort of dour and extreme. and then i t... |
That's a great question. And Fawcett was an incredibly complicated character, and he was incredibly daring. I mean, there were few men, you know, arguably, who would show more courage than what he would do. He would march into areas where people just simply didn't go, and make contact with tribes that because of the bl... | that's a great question and fawcett was an incredibly complicated character and he was incredibly daring i mean there; were few men you know arguably. who would show more courage than what he; would. do, he would march into areas, where. people just simply didn't go and make contact with tribes that because of the bloo... | That's a great question And Fawcett was an incredibly complicated character and he was incredibly daring, I mean there were few men you know arguably who would show more courage than what, he would do He would march into. areas where people just simply didn't, go and make contact with tribes that because of the bloody ... | that's a great question. and fawcett was an incredibly complicated character, and he was incredibly daring. i mean, there were few men, you know, arguably, who would show more courage than what he would do. he would march into areas where people just simply didn't go, and make contact with tribes that because of the bl... |
It's always worked for me. | it's always worked for | It's always worked for, | it's always worked for me. |
It always works - "God Save the Queen." | it always works - "god save the | It always works. - "God, Save the | it always works - "god save the queen." |
Right. | right. | ||
And in a mad, Victorian fashion, would take off his handkerchief and wave it in the air, march into a fusillade of arrows. And this isn't just lore because I read it in his companions' diaries, not in his own, where it was just simply embellishment. So, he was incredibly daring. At the same time, he was incredibly curi... | and in a mad victorian fashion would, take off his handkerchief and wave it in the air march, into a fusillade of. arrows and this isn't just lore because, i read it in his companions' diaries not in, his own where it was just simply embellishment so he was incredibly daring at the same time; he was incredibly curious ... | And in a mad Victorian fashion would take off his handkerchief and wave it in the air march into a fusillade of arrows And this isn't just lore because I read it, in his companions' diaries not in his own where it was. just, simply embellishment So he was incredibly daring At the, same, time he was incredibly curious h... | and in a mad, victorian fashion, would take off his handkerchief and wave it in the air, march into a fusillade of arrows. and this isn't just lore because i read it in his companions' diaries, not in his own, where it was just simply embellishment. so, he was incredibly daring. at the same time, he was incredibly curi... |
We're talking with David Grann, the author of the new book "The Lost City of Z: A Tale of Deadly Obsession in the Amazon." You're listening to Talk of the Nation from NPR News. | we're talking with david grann the author of the new book "the lost. city of z: a tale of deadly. obsession in the amazon" you're listening to talk of the nation from npr | We're talking with David Grann the author of the new book "The Lost City of Z: A Tale of Deadly Obsession in the Amazon" You're, listening. to Talk of the Nation from NPR | we're talking with david grann, the author of the new book "the lost city of z: a tale of deadly obsession in the amazon." you're listening to talk of the nation from npr news. |
Yeah, in your book at least, you describe in this last expedition with his older son, how he sort of marched off when the son and his - and the younger companion weren't able to keep up. | yeah in your book at least you describe in this last expedition with his older, son how he, sort of marched off when the son and his - and the younger companion weren't able to keep | Yeah in your book at least you, describe in this last expedition with his older son how, he sort of marched off when the son. and. his - and the younger companion weren't able to keep | yeah, in your book at least, you describe in this last expedition with his older son, how he sort of marched off when the son and his - and the younger companion weren't able to keep up. |
He - there was nothing - he let nothing stay in his way of his object and his goal. And in some ways, that would sometimes help his men survive, because he was in such conditions where you had to be maniacal. In fact, there was a rule among his parties that if you were wounded or too sick, you would have to be abandone... | he - there was nothing - he let nothing stay in, his way of his object and his goal and in some ways that would sometimes help his men survive because he was in such conditions where you, had to be maniacal in fact. there was a rule among his parties that if you were wounded or too sick you would have to be abandoned b... | He - there was nothing - he let nothing stay in his way of his object and his goal And in some ways that would sometimes help his men survive because he was in such conditions where you had to be maniacal In fact there was a rule among his parties that if. you were, wounded or. too sick you would have to be abandoned b... | he - there was nothing - he let nothing stay in his way of his object and his goal. and in some ways, that would sometimes help his men survive, because he was in such conditions where you had to be maniacal. in fact, there was a rule among his parties that if you were wounded or too sick, you would have to be abandone... |
Amazing. We have time for one more call. Let's go to Eric in Daytona, Florida. | amazing we; have time for one more call let's, go to eric in daytona | Amazing We have time for one. more call Let's go to, Eric in; Daytona | amazing. we have time for one more call. let's go to eric in daytona, florida. |
Yes, hello everyone. Very interesting show. | yes. hello everyone very interesting | Yes hello everyone Very interesting | yes, hello everyone. very interesting show. |
Great. | great. | ||
I wanted to comment, first of all, with respect to travel to the Antarctic, I was one of the guys that made you feel like bit of a fraud. I was a navigator on the C-130s and used to shoot celestial - use celestial navigation to figure out where in the heck we were. | i wanted to comment first of all with respect, to travel, to the antarctic i was one of. the guys that made you feel, like bit of a fraud i was a navigator on the c-130s and used to shoot celestial - use celestial navigation to figure out where in, the heck we | I wanted to comment, first of all with respect to travel to the. Antarctic I was one of the guys that made you feel like bit. of a fraud I, was a navigator on the C-130s and used to shoot celestial - use celestial navigation to figure out where in, the heck we | i wanted to comment, first of all, with respect to travel to the antarctic, i was one of the guys that made you feel like bit of a fraud. i was a navigator on the c-130s and used to shoot celestial - use celestial navigation to figure out where in the heck we were. |
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | yeah yeah | Yeah yeah | yeah, yeah, yeah. |
Before we had GPS. | before we had | Before we had | before we had gps. |
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That was a great flight, and I remember going up into the cockpit and seeing the trans-Antarctic Range and thinking I was in a Disneyland expedition because it was so unbelievably unreal looking. | that was a great flight and i remember going up into the cockpit and seeing the trans-antarctic range and thinking i was in a disneyland expedition because it was so unbelievably unreal | That was; a. great flight and I remember going up into the cockpit and seeing the trans-Antarctic Range and thinking I was. in a Disneyland. expedition because it, was, so unbelievably; unreal | that was a great flight, and i remember going up into the cockpit and seeing the trans-antarctic range and thinking i was in a disneyland expedition because it was so unbelievably unreal looking. |
Yeah, you should try it when it's completely clouded over and you have no magnetic bearing. You have to rely on a gyro and hope that works well, and you have to take sun lines and moon lines and hope they intersect, and that you're somewhere near where you need to be in order to land safely with enough fuel to get back... | yeah you should try it when it's completely clouded over and you have no magnetic bearing you have to rely on. a gyro. and hope that works, well, and you have to take sun lines and moon lines and hope they intersect and, that you're somewhere near where you need to be in order to, land safely, with enough fuel to get b... | Yeah you should try it when it's completely, clouded; over, and you have no magnetic bearing You. have to rely on a gyro and, hope that works well and you have to take sun lines. and moon lines and hope they intersect and that you're somewhere near where. you need to be in order to land safely with, enough fuel to get ... | yeah, you should try it when it's completely clouded over and you have no magnetic bearing. you have to rely on a gyro and hope that works well, and you have to take sun lines and moon lines and hope they intersect, and that you're somewhere near where you need to be in order to land safely with enough fuel to get back... |
Yeah. Well, I'm glad that we're talking to you today, basically. | yeah well i'm glad. that we're talking to you today, | Yeah Well I'm glad that. we're talking to you. today | yeah. well, i'm glad that we're talking to you today, basically. |
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There was more adventure than you knew, perhaps. | there was more adventure than you knew | There was more adventure than you knew | there was more adventure than you knew, perhaps. |
Yeah, yeah. Well, maybe yes. Ignorance is bliss. Maybe that was it. | yeah yeah well maybe yes ignorance is bliss maybe that was | Yeah yeah Well maybe yes Ignorance is bliss Maybe. that was | yeah, yeah. well, maybe yes. ignorance is bliss. maybe that was it. |
The reason I called and what attracted me to service in the Navy, I had an ancestor who was on one of the early Arctic explorations. He actually was with Grealy on the Lady Franklin Bay Expedition. (Unintelligible) were stranded up in the Arctic for three years. The relief ship was not able to get in and rescue them. T... | the reason i called and what attracted me to service in the navy i had, an ancestor who was on one of the early arctic explorations he actually was with grealy on the lady franklin bay expedition (unintelligible) were stranded up in the arctic for three years, the relief ship was not able to get in and rescue them thei... | The reason I called, and; what attracted me to service in the Navy. I had an ancestor who was on one of the early Arctic explorations He actually was with. Grealy on the Lady Franklin Bay Expedition (Unintelligible) were stranded up in the Arctic for three years The relief ship was not able to get in and rescue them Th... | the reason i called and what attracted me to service in the navy, i had an ancestor who was on one of the early arctic explorations. he actually was with grealy on the lady franklin bay expedition. (unintelligible) were stranded up in the arctic for three years. the relief ship was not able to get in and rescue them. t... |
Eric, I'm going to have to cut you off there, partly because we're losing the line and partly because we ran out of time. But thanks so much for calling in. And David Grann, thank you very much for coming in today. | eric i'm going to. have to cut you off there partly because, we're losing, the, line, and partly because, we ran out of time but thanks so much for calling in and david grann thank you very much for coming in | Eric I'm going to, have; to cut you off there partly because we're losing the; line and partly because. we ran out. of time But thanks, so much for calling in And David Grann thank you very much for, coming in | eric, i'm going to have to cut you off there, partly because we're losing the line and partly because we ran out of time. but thanks so much for calling in. and david grann, thank you very much for coming in today. |
Oh, it was my pleasure. Thank you so much for having me. | oh it was my pleasure thank you so much for having | Oh it was. my pleasure Thank you so much for having | oh, it was my pleasure. thank you so much for having me. |
David Grann is a staff writer for the New Yorker magazine, and the author of "The Lost City of Z: A Tale of Deadly Obsession in the Amazon." You can read an excerpt at npr.org/talk. Up next: Making race funny. We'll talk about - we'll talk with the senior black correspondent for "The Daily Show." I'm Joe Palca. It's Ta... | david grann is a staff writer for the, new yorker magazine and the author of "the lost city of z: a tale of deadly obsession in the amazon" you can read an excerpt at npr.org/talk up next: making. race funny we'll, talk, about - we'll talk with the senior black correspondent for "the daily show" i'm, joe palca it's tal... | David Grann is a staff writer for, the New, Yorker magazine and the author of. "The Lost City of Z: A Tale of Deadly Obsession in the Amazon" You can read an excerpt, at npr.org/talk Up next: Making race funny We'll. talk about - we'll talk with the senior black correspondent for. "The, Daily Show" I'm, Joe Palca It's ... | david grann is a staff writer for the new yorker magazine, and the author of "the lost city of z: a tale of deadly obsession in the amazon." you can read an excerpt at npr.org/talk. up next: making race funny. we'll talk about - we'll talk with the senior black correspondent for "the daily show." i'm joe palca. it's ta... |
FISA needs to be changed. That's the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the law that normally governs warrants in terrorism and spying cases. FISA's been at the center of the controversy over the Bush administration's program for wiretapping without warrants, but the hearing exposed deep differences on just how FIS... | fisa needs to be changed that's the foreign intelligence surveillance act the law that normally governs warrants in terrorism and spying cases fisa's been at, the center of the, controversy over the, bush administration's program for wiretapping without warrants, but the hearing exposed deep differences on just how, fi... | FISA needs to be changed That's the, Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act the law that normally governs warrants in terrorism and spying cases FISA's been at, the center of the controversy over the Bush administration's program for wiretapping without warrants but the hearing exposed; deep differences. on just how FIS... | fisa needs to be changed. that's the foreign intelligence surveillance act, the law that normally governs warrants in terrorism and spying cases. fisa's been at the center of the controversy over the bush administration's program for wiretapping without warrants, but the hearing exposed deep differences on just how fis... |
The first witness up was federal appeals court judge Richard Posner. He argued FISA is hopeless when it comes to hunting out terrorist suspects. | the first witness up was federal appeals court judge richard posner he argued. fisa is hopeless when it comes to hunting out terrorist | The. first witness up was federal appeals court judge Richard Posner He argued FISA is, hopeless when, it comes to hunting out terrorist | the first witness up was federal appeals court judge richard posner. he argued fisa is hopeless when it comes to hunting out terrorist suspects. |
I do believe FISA's obsolete as a weapon for dealing with international terrorism, and the reason for that is precisely that it's tied to the idea of warrants. | i do believe fisa's obsolete as; a weapon for dealing with international terrorism and the reason, for that, is precisely that it's tied to. the idea of | I, do. believe FISA's obsolete as a weapon for dealing with international terrorism and the reason for that is precisely that. it's tied to the idea of | i do believe fisa's obsolete as a weapon for dealing with international terrorism, and the reason for that is precisely that it's tied to the idea of warrants. |
But it is very common for these kinds of individuals and groups to essentially try and exploit a situation like this. I mean, these guys really study the newspapers. They follow the news very closely around the country and look for opportunities to interject themselves. You know, if there is, say, some terrible black-o... | but it is very common, for these. kinds. of individuals, and groups to essentially try and exploit a, situation like this i mean these guys really study the newspapers they follow the, news very closely around the country and. look for opportunities to interject. themselves you know if there is say some terrible black-... | But it is, very, common for these kinds of individuals and groups, to, essentially, try and exploit a; situation like this I mean these guys really study the newspapers They follow the news; very closely around the country and look, for opportunities to interject themselves You know if there is say some terrible black-... | but it is very common for these kinds of individuals and groups to essentially try and exploit a situation like this. i mean, these guys really study the newspapers. they follow the news very closely around the country and look for opportunities to interject themselves. you know, if there is, say, some terrible black-o... |
So I mean, this is really classic stuff. And, you know, Barrett, of course, was extremely disingenuous both with the Barker family and with the mayor. You know, he was asked even by his own account several times by Justin Barker's father, David Barker, you know, was he a white supremacist? And he simply evaded the ques... | so i, mean this is really classic stuff and you know barrett of course was extremely, disingenuous both with the barker family, and with. the mayor you know he was asked even by his own account several times by justin barker's father david; barker you know was he a white supremacist? and he simply, evaded the question;... | So I mean this is really classic stuff And you know Barrett of. course was extremely disingenuous both with the Barker family and with the mayor You know he was asked even by his own account several times by Justin Barker's father David Barker you know was he a white supremacist? And he simply evaded the question again... | so i mean, this is really classic stuff. and, you know, barrett, of course, was extremely disingenuous both with the barker family and with the mayor. you know, he was asked even by his own account several times by justin barker's father, david barker, you know, was he a white supremacist? and he simply evaded the ques... |
The book that he, in fact, gave Justin Barker, his so-called autobiography, you know, advocates the resettlement of blacks, Jews, Latinos and so on to the countries they, quote, unquote "came from." | the book that he in fact gave justin barker his so-called autobiography. you know advocates the resettlement of blacks jews latinos and so on to, the, countries they quote unquote "came | The book that he in fact gave Justin Barker his so-called autobiography you know advocates the resettlement of blacks Jews. Latinos and so on to the countries they quote unquote "came | the book that he, in fact, gave justin barker, his so-called autobiography, you know, advocates the resettlement of blacks, jews, latinos and so on to the countries they, quote, unquote "came from." |
We should point out that Justin Barker is the white youth who was attacked in Jena and there was this interaction between Barrett, who we spoke with, and with Barker's family. | we should point out that justin barker, is the white youth who was attacked in jena and there was this interaction between, barrett who we spoke with and with barker's | We should, point out that. Justin Barker is the white youth who was attacked in Jena and there was this interaction between; Barrett who we spoke with and with Barker's | we should point out that justin barker is the white youth who was attacked in jena and there was this interaction between barrett, who we spoke with, and with barker's family. |
Let's pull back to this other inciting incident, though, of the names and addresses of five of the Jena Six posted online. There recently had been cases where journalist names and addresses were posted online if what they said seemed to be disturbing to someone who came from a racist background, a self-avowed racist ba... | let's pull back to this other inciting incident though of. the names and addresses of five of the jena six posted, online there recently had been cases where journalist names. and addresses were. posted online, if what they said seemed to be disturbing to someone who came from a racist. background a self-avowed racist ... | Let's pull back to. this other inciting incident though of the names and addresses of five of the Jena Six posted online There recently had been cases where journalist names and addresses were posted online if what they said seemed to be disturbing to someone who came from a racist background a self-avowed racist, back... | let's pull back to this other inciting incident, though, of the names and addresses of five of the jena six posted online. there recently had been cases where journalist names and addresses were posted online if what they said seemed to be disturbing to someone who came from a racist background, a self-avowed racist ba... |
Well, I mean, it's pernicious because it's terrifying to its targets, you know? This posting we're talking about was put up by a guy named Bill White in Roanoke, Virginia. He is the leader of the so-called American National Socialist Workers Party, in other words, an explicitly Nazi group. And, you know, his headline w... | well i. mean. it's pernicious because it's terrifying to its targets you know? this posting we're talking about was put up. by a guy. named bill white in roanoke virginia he is the leader of the so-called. american national socialist workers party in other words an explicitly nazi group and you know his headline was ly... | Well I mean it's pernicious because it's terrifying to its targets you know? This posting we're talking about was, put up, by a guy named Bill White in Roanoke Virginia He is the, leader of the so-called American National Socialist Workers Party in other words an explicitly Nazi group And you know his headline was lync... | well, i mean, it's pernicious because it's terrifying to its targets, you know? this posting we're talking about was put up by a guy named bill white in roanoke, virginia. he is the leader of the so-called american national socialist workers party, in other words, an explicitly nazi group. and, you know, his headline w... |
This is very common. Whites did the same thing to Leonard Pitts, a well-known columnist at the Miami Herald for Knight Ridders, actually a friend of mine. You know, he's done it to me many times because I'm often quoted criticizing him. You know, the point of all of this is that these groups are very adept to kind of g... | this is very common whites did the. same thing to leonard pitts a well-known columnist at the, miami herald for, knight ridders actually a friend, of mine you know he's done it to, me many; times because. i'm often quoted criticizing him you know the point of, all of this is that these, groups. are, very adept to kind ... | This is very common, Whites did the same thing to, Leonard Pitts a well-known columnist at the Miami Herald for. Knight Ridders actually. a friend, of mine You know he's done it to me many, times because I'm often quoted criticizing him You know the point of all of this is that these groups are very; adept to kind of, ... | this is very common. whites did the same thing to leonard pitts, a well-known columnist at the miami herald for knight ridders, actually a friend of mine. you know, he's done it to me many times because i'm often quoted criticizing him. you know, the point of all of this is that these groups are very adept to kind of g... |
I mean, Bill White posts that, you know, lynched the Jena Six, and he understands perfectly that somebody like me is going to notice that immediately and that it helps to propel his name and his group's name essentially into the headlines and, you know, he doesn't give a hoot that, you know, virtually all the press he ... | i mean bill white posts that you know lynched the jena, six and he understands perfectly that somebody like me is going to notice. that immediately and that it helps to propel his name and his group's. name essentially into the headlines, and you know he doesn't give a hoot, that, you know virtually all the press he ge... | I mean Bill White posts that you know, lynched the Jena, Six and he understands perfectly that somebody like me is going to notice that immediately and that it helps to propel, his name and his group's, name essentially into the headlines and you know he doesn't give a hoot, that you know virtually all, the press he ge... | i mean, bill white posts that, you know, lynched the jena six, and he understands perfectly that somebody like me is going to notice that immediately and that it helps to propel his name and his group's name essentially into the headlines and, you know, he doesn't give a hoot that, you know, virtually all the press he ... |
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