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In just a moment, civil rights leader and former president of the National Council of La Raza, Raul Yzaguirre joins us, and we'd like to hear from you about Latino civil rights. Is it just about immigration? Is there more that is not being talked about? We want to know about what This American Moment means to you. Our ... | in just a moment civil rights, leader and former president of the national council of la raza raul yzaguirre joins us and we'd like to hear from you about latino civil rights is it just about immigration? is there more that is not being talked about? we want to, know about what this american moment means to you our num... | In just a moment civil rights leader and. former president, of the National Council of La Raza, Raul Yzaguirre joins us and, we'd like to hear from you about Latino civil rights Is it. just about immigration? Is; there more that is not being, talked about? We want. to know about what, This American Moment. means to you... | in just a moment, civil rights leader and former president of the national council of la raza, raul yzaguirre joins us, and we'd like to hear from you about latino civil rights. is it just about immigration? is there more that is not being talked about? we want to know about what this american moment means to you. our ... |
Under the leadership of Raul Yzaguirre, the National Council of La Raza grew in to a premier national Hispanic advocacy organization and think tank in the United States. He joins us now here at the Arizona Historical Society Museum in Tempe, Arizona, and it's a pleasure have you on the program. | under the leadership of raul yzaguirre the national council of; la raza grew in to a premier national hispanic advocacy organization and think tank in the united states he joins us now here at the arizona historical society, museum in, tempe arizona and it's a pleasure. have you on the | Under the leadership of Raul Yzaguirre the National Council of La Raza grew in to a premier national Hispanic advocacy organization and think tank in the United States He joins. us now here at the Arizona Historical Society, Museum in Tempe Arizona and it's a pleasure have you on the | under the leadership of raul yzaguirre, the national council of la raza grew in to a premier national hispanic advocacy organization and think tank in the united states. he joins us now here at the arizona historical society museum in tempe, arizona, and it's a pleasure have you on the program. |
Good to be here. | good to be | Good to, be | good to be here. |
And let me ask you, what does this American moment mean to you? | and. let me ask you what does this american moment. mean to | And let me ask you what does this American moment mean to | and let me ask you, what does this american moment mean to you? |
The election, you mean? | the election you | The election you | the election, you mean? |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
It means an opportunity to motivate and bring out the Latino vote. We are a growing community. Our numbers are increasing. We are a very young community, but more and more folks are turning to the voting age and so we have a large number of voter registration efforts, perhaps the most in our history. There is a great d... | it means an opportunity to motivate and bring out the latino vote we are, a growing community our numbers are increasing we are a very young community but more and more. folks are turning to, the voting age and so we have a large number of voter registration efforts perhaps the most in our history there is a great deal... | It means an opportunity to; motivate and bring out the Latino vote We are. a growing community Our numbers are increasing We, are a very, young community but more and more folks are turning to the voting age and so we. have a large number of voter, registration efforts perhaps; the most in our history. There is a great... | it means an opportunity to motivate and bring out the latino vote. we are a growing community. our numbers are increasing. we are a very young community, but more and more folks are turning to the voting age and so we have a large number of voter registration efforts, perhaps the most in our history. there is a great d... |
You say there's been a lot of attention paid by both campaigns to your vote, yet we hear very little talk about immigration from either candidate. | you say there's been a lot of attention; paid by both campaigns to your vote yet we hear very little talk about immigration from either | You say there's been a lot of attention paid by both campaigns to your vote yet we hear. very little talk about immigration from either | you say there's been a lot of attention paid by both campaigns to your vote, yet we hear very little talk about immigration from either candidate. |
I think they're avoiding it for obvious reasons, but it remains a top issue within our community and within the American people, and I suspect that it will be on the agenda early on in whatever administration takes office. And the good news from our perspective is that both candidates are committed to a comprehensive i... | i, think they're; avoiding it for obvious, reasons but it remains a top issue within our, community and within the american people and i suspect that. it will be on the agenda, early on in whatever administration takes office and the good news from our perspective is; that both. candidates are committed to a comprehens... | I think they're avoiding it for; obvious reasons but it remains a top issue within our community and within the American people and I suspect that it will be on the agenda early on in whatever administration takes office And the good news from our perspective is that both candidates are committed, to a, comprehensive i... | i think they're avoiding it for obvious reasons, but it remains a top issue within our community and within the american people, and i suspect that it will be on the agenda early on in whatever administration takes office. and the good news from our perspective is that both candidates are committed to a comprehensive i... |
Yet Senator McCain, who proposed that immigration bill in Congress and was one of its principle sponsors, now says he would vote against his own bill. | yet senator. mccain; who proposed that immigration bill in congress. and was one of. its principle sponsors now says he would vote. against his own | Yet Senator McCain who proposed that immigration bill in Congress and was, one of. its principle sponsors now says, he would vote against, his, own | yet senator mccain, who proposed that immigration bill in congress and was one of its principle sponsors, now says he would vote against his own bill. |
My understanding of the way he said it is that he feel that the American people want the voters to be secure, and after that happens he's prepared to lead an effort to get comprehensive immigration reform. | my understanding of the way he said; it. is that he feel that, the american people want the. voters to be secure and after that happens he's prepared to lead an effort; to get comprehensive immigration | My. understanding of the way he said it is that he feel that the American people want the voters to be secure and after that happens he's prepared to, lead an effort to get comprehensive immigration | my understanding of the way he said it is that he feel that the american people want the voters to be secure, and after that happens he's prepared to lead an effort to get comprehensive immigration reform. |
And you say, for obvious reasons, neither candidate is addressing the issue. What's the obvious reason? | and; you say for obvious reasons neither, candidate is addressing the issue what's the obvious | And you say for obvious reasons neither candidate is addressing the issue What's. the obvious | and you say, for obvious reasons, neither candidate is addressing the issue. what's the obvious reason? |
The obvious reason is that we have a very strange situation where the president of the United States, the leaders in both Congress - both sides of the House in Congress, the Chamber of Commerce, the FLCIO, the major religious organizations, all were in favor of comprehensive immigration reform, but you had a very shril... | the obvious reason is that we have a, very strange situation where the president of the united states the leaders in both, congress - both sides of the house, in congress the chamber of commerce the flcio the major religious organizations all were in, favor of comprehensive immigration reform but you had a very shrill ... | The, obvious reason is that we have a very strange situation where, the. president of the United States the leaders, in both Congress - both sides, of the House in Congress the Chamber of Commerce the FLCIO the, major religious organizations all were. in favor of comprehensive immigration reform, but you had a very shr... | the obvious reason is that we have a very strange situation where the president of the united states, the leaders in both congress - both sides of the house in congress, the chamber of commerce, the flcio, the major religious organizations, all were in favor of comprehensive immigration reform, but you had a very shril... |
Are you surprised, in a way, given that what happened there, are you surprised that you're not seeing this issue being demagogued(ph) in this campaign? | are you surprised in a way given. that what happened there are you, surprised that you're not; seeing this issue being demagogued(ph) in this | Are you surprised in a way given, that what happened. there are you surprised; that you're not seeing this issue being demagogued(ph) in this | are you surprised, in a way, given that what happened there, are you surprised that you're not seeing this issue being demagogued(ph) in this campaign? |
Well, I'm not sure it's not being demagogued at the local level. I think it is still being demagogued, but I'm happy that at least that either candidate is demagoguing this issue, yes, very much so. | well i'm, not sure it's not being demagogued at the local level i think it is still, being demagogued but i'm happy that at least that either candidate is demagoguing this issue yes very much | Well; I'm not sure, it's not being demagogued at the, local level I think, it is still being demagogued but I'm happy that at least that either candidate is, demagoguing this issue yes very much | well, i'm not sure it's not being demagogued at the local level. i think it is still being demagogued, but i'm happy that at least that either candidate is demagoguing this issue, yes, very much so. |
In terms of the Latino civil rights, are we just talking about immigration here? Does that eclipse everything else? | in terms of the latino civil rights are we just talking about immigration here? does that eclipse everything | In terms of the Latino civil. rights are we just talking about immigration here? Does that. eclipse everything | in terms of the latino civil rights, are we just talking about immigration here? does that eclipse everything else? |
No, no. I think education is a Latino civil rights issue for Latino community. We're the most undereducated minority in this country. And we have - education finance reform is a big issue because we have school districts where you're starting at $4,000 per child. That characterizes the Latino community. And the other s... | no no, i think education is a latino civil rights issue, for latino community we're. the most undereducated minority in this country and we have - education, finance reform is a big issue because, we. have school districts where you're starting at $4,000 per child that characterizes the latino community and the other s... | No no I think education is a Latino civil rights. issue for. Latino; community We're the most undereducated minority in this country And we have. - education finance reform is a big, issue because we have school districts where. you're starting at $4,000 per child. That characterizes the Latino community, And the other... | no, no. i think education is a latino civil rights issue for latino community. we're the most undereducated minority in this country. and we have - education finance reform is a big issue because we have school districts where you're starting at $4,000 per child. that characterizes the latino community. and the other s... |
You've seen - you've been around a while. You've - well, to borrow the president's term, you've been in this rodeo before. I wonder, how do you think things have changed from your vantage point over the past, 30, 40, 50 years? | you've seen - you've been around a while you've - well to borrow the president's term you've been in this rodeo before i wonder how do you think things have changed from your vantage point over the past | You've seen - you've been around a while You've - well to borrow; the, president's term you've been in this rodeo before I wonder how do you think things have changed from your, vantage; point over the past | you've seen - you've been around a while. you've - well, to borrow the president's term, you've been in this rodeo before. i wonder, how do you think things have changed from your vantage point over the past, 30, 40, 50 years? |
Well, we've come into the agenda. I mean, we've come into the radar screen of the American public and that's good news. We are now the largest minority in this country and - but instead of being a minority that's respected and treasured, unfortunately, because of immigration and for a number of other reasons, we're not... | well we've come into the agenda i mean we've come into, the radar screen of the american public and that's good; news we. are now the largest minority in, this. country and - but instead, of being a. minority that's respected and treasured unfortunately because of immigration and for a number of other reasons we're not... | Well we've come into the agenda I mean we've come, into the radar screen of the American public and that's good news We are now the largest minority in this country and. - but instead of being a minority that's respected and, treasured. unfortunately because of immigration, and for a number of other reasons we're not s... | well, we've come into the agenda. i mean, we've come into the radar screen of the american public and that's good news. we are now the largest minority in this country and - but instead of being a minority that's respected and treasured, unfortunately, because of immigration and for a number of other reasons, we're not... |
No, absolutely not. This is not kind of a civil war in the making, and I hope I don't have to eat my words. But what you're seeing a lot of in Ukraine now is not that there's this external threat from Russia that you have people rallying around the flag, even if they're ethnically Russian. One of the problems in Ukrain... | no absolutely not this is. not kind of a civil war in the making and i hope, i don't have to eat my words but what you're seeing. a. lot of. in ukraine now is not that there's this external threat from russia that you, have people. rallying around the flag even if they're ethnically russian one of the problems in ukrai... | No absolutely not This is not kind, of a. civil war in the. making and I hope I don't have to eat my words But what; you're seeing a lot of in Ukraine now is not that there's. this external threat from Russia that you have people rallying around the flag even if they're ethnically Russian, One of, the problems in Ukrai... | no, absolutely not. this is not kind of a civil war in the making, and i hope i don't have to eat my words. but what you're seeing a lot of in ukraine now is not that there's this external threat from russia that you have people rallying around the flag, even if they're ethnically russian. one of the problems in ukrain... |
Do you, looking from your vantage, see that President Putin has some overall ambition? | do you looking from your vantage see that president putin has. some, overall | Do you looking from; your vantage see that President, Putin has some, overall | do you, looking from your vantage, see that president putin has some overall ambition? |
One of the things that Western analysts have gotten consistently wrong is his attachment to his reputation in the West and his attachment to money. There are things that he values above that. He wants a place in history. He sees himself as the leader who came in and restored Russia's greatness, its economic power, its ... | one of the things that western analysts have gotten consistently wrong is his, attachment to; his reputation in the west and his attachment to. money there are things that he values above. that he wants a place in history he sees himself as the leader, who came in and restored russia's greatness its economic power its ... | One of the things that Western analysts have gotten consistently wrong is his attachment to his reputation in. the West; and his attachment to money There are things that he values above that He. wants a place, in history He sees himself as, the leader who came, in and restored, Russia's greatness its economic, power i... | one of the things that western analysts have gotten consistently wrong is his attachment to his reputation in the west and his attachment to money. there are things that he values above that. he wants a place in history. he sees himself as the leader who came in and restored russia's greatness, its economic power, its ... |
Julie Ioffe, senior editor at The New Republic. Thanks so much. | julie ioffe senior editor at the new republic thanks so | Julie Ioffe senior editor at The New Republic Thanks so | julie ioffe, senior editor at the new republic. thanks so much. |
Thanks for having me, Scott. | thanks for having me | Thanks for having, me | thanks for having me, scott. |
From NPR News, this is NEWS & NOTES. I'm Farai Chideya. | from npr news this is news & notes i'm farai | From NPR News, this is. NEWS & NOTES I'm, Farai | from npr news, this is news & notes. i'm farai chideya. |
Coming up, we've got a look at the week's top entertainment stories with Newsweek's Allison Samuels. And later, a bittersweet snapshot just in time for Father's Day. | coming up. we've got a look at the week's top entertainment stories with newsweek's allison samuels and later a bittersweet snapshot just in, time for. father's | Coming. up, we've got a look at the week's top entertainment stories with Newsweek's Allison Samuels And later a bittersweet snapshot just in time for Father's | coming up, we've got a look at the week's top entertainment stories with newsweek's allison samuels. and later, a bittersweet snapshot just in time for father's day. |
But first, let's kick things off with headlines. Today we start in a neighborhood near you, new for closure numbers came out yesterday from the Mortgage Bankers Association. Subprime for closures hit an all-time high for the first quarter of the year. Nearly one-in-five subprime loans was either delinquent by, at least... | but first let's kick things off with headlines today we start in a neighborhood near you new for closure numbers came out yesterday from the mortgage bankers association, subprime for; closures, hit an all-time high for the first, quarter of the. year nearly one-in-five subprime loans was either delinquent by. at least... | But first let's kick, things off with; headlines Today we start in a neighborhood near you new for closure; numbers came out yesterday from the Mortgage Bankers Association Subprime for closures hit, an all-time high for the first quarter of the year Nearly one-in-five subprime loans was either delinquent by at least a... | but first, let's kick things off with headlines. today we start in a neighborhood near you, new for closure numbers came out yesterday from the mortgage bankers association. subprime for closures hit an all-time high for the first quarter of the year. nearly one-in-five subprime loans was either delinquent by, at least... |
And out second headline takes us to at least one person who doesn't have to worry about losing her house. Oprah Winfrey landed in the top slot of Forbes magazine's celebrity 100 power list. Winfrey apparently earned worth of $250 million in the last 12 months - whew - and she's showing no sign of slowing. An African-Am... | and out second headline takes us to at least one person who doesn't have to worry about losing her house, oprah winfrey landed in the top slot of forbes magazine's celebrity 100 power list winfrey apparently earned worth of $250 million in the last 12 months - whew - and she's showing no sign of, slowing an african-ame... | And out second headline takes us to at least. one person who; doesn't have to worry about losing, her house Oprah Winfrey landed in the top slot of Forbes, magazine's celebrity 100 power list Winfrey apparently earned worth of $250 million in the last 12 months - whew - and she's showing no sign of slowing An African-A... | and out second headline takes us to at least one person who doesn't have to worry about losing her house. oprah winfrey landed in the top slot of forbes magazine's celebrity 100 power list. winfrey apparently earned worth of $250 million in the last 12 months - whew - and she's showing no sign of slowing. an african-am... |
This is NEWS & NOTES. I'm Farai Chideya. | this is. news & notes. i'm farai | This is NEWS & NOTES I'm Farai | this is news & notes. i'm farai chideya. |
Today, we kick off our Sex and Sexuality series. We're taking a risk in talking about culture, stereotypes and taboos. Most importantly though, we're talking about how people deal with this important issue in real life. | today we kick off our sex and sexuality series we're taking a. risk in talking about culture stereotypes and taboos most importantly though we're talking about how people deal with this important issue in, real, | Today. we kick off our Sex. and, Sexuality series We're, taking a, risk in talking about culture stereotypes and. taboos Most importantly though we're talking, about how people deal with this important issue in real | today, we kick off our sex and sexuality series. we're taking a risk in talking about culture, stereotypes and taboos. most importantly though, we're talking about how people deal with this important issue in real life. |
Today, what does it mean to be African-American and openly gay? It's more acceptable now than ever to self-identify as gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender, also known as GLBT. Now, primetime shows had gay characters, two of America's top talk show hosts are lesbians, but few of these public figures are also African-A... | today what does it mean. to. be african-american and openly gay? it's more acceptable now than ever to self-identify as gay lesbian bisexual or. transgender also known as, glbt now primetime shows had gay characters two of america's top. talk show hosts are lesbians but few of these public figures are also | Today what does. it mean to be African-American and openly gay? It's more acceptable now than ever to self-identify as gay lesbian bisexual or transgender also known as GLBT Now, primetime shows had, gay characters two of America's top talk show hosts are lesbians but few of these public. figures are also | today, what does it mean to be african-american and openly gay? it's more acceptable now than ever to self-identify as gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender, also known as glbt. now, primetime shows had gay characters, two of america's top talk show hosts are lesbians, but few of these public figures are also african-a... |
For more we've put together a special Roundtable with Jasmyne Cannick, a 29-year-old political and social commentator who lives in Los Angeles; 19-year-old Mark Corece, co-founder of ActOut, an organization on the campus of DePaul University - that's a Catholic school in Chicago; and Vallerie Wagner, a 48-year-old stee... | for more we've put together a, special roundtable with jasmyne cannick a 29-year-old political and social, commentator who lives in los angeles 19-year-old, mark corece co-founder of actout an organization on the campus of depaul university - that's, a catholic school in chicago and vallerie wagner a 48-year-old steeri... | For more we've put together, a special Roundtable with Jasmyne. Cannick a 29-year-old political, and social commentator who lives in; Los Angeles 19-year-old Mark Corece co-founder, of ActOut an organization on the campus of DePaul University - that's a Catholic school in Chicago and Vallerie Wagner a 48-year-old steer... | for more we've put together a special roundtable with jasmyne cannick, a 29-year-old political and social commentator who lives in los angeles; 19-year-old mark corece, co-founder of actout, an organization on the campus of depaul university - that's a catholic school in chicago; and vallerie wagner, a 48-year-old stee... |
Welcome everybody. | welcome. | Welcome | welcome everybody. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
Well, thank you. | well thank | Well thank | well, thank you. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
Yeah. So this is great. I'm really glad to gather you all. And you guys are not, you know, so far apart in age, but I'm sure that because of your ages, you probably have seen some differences in, you know, what it's like to basically come out, to embrace yourself and to see how you fit into the public life of America. ... | yeah so this is great i'm really glad to gather you all and you guys are not you, know so far apart, in age but i'm sure that because of your ages, you probably have seen some differences in you know what it's like to basically come out to embrace yourself. and to see how you fit into the public, life of america i'm ac... | Yeah So this is great I'm really. glad to gather you, all And you, guys are not, you know so far apart in age but I'm sure that because of your ages you probably have seen some differences in you know what, it's like to basically come out to embrace yourself and to see how you fit into the public life of America I'm. a... | yeah. so this is great. i'm really glad to gather you all. and you guys are not, you know, so far apart in age, but i'm sure that because of your ages, you probably have seen some differences in, you know, what it's like to basically come out, to embrace yourself and to see how you fit into the public life of america. ... |
Tell me about the process of when you came out. And was it something for you that was relatively painless, or was - were there some issues that you really had to face in terms of dealing with your family, with religion, with society, things like that? | tell me about the, process of when you came out and, was it something; for you that was relatively painless or was - were there some issues that you really had to, face in terms of dealing; with your family with religion with society. things like | Tell me about the process of when you came out. And was it something, for you that was relatively painless or was - were there some issues, that you really had to face in terms of dealing with your family with religion with society things like | tell me about the process of when you came out. and was it something for you that was relatively painless, or was - were there some issues that you really had to face in terms of dealing with your family, with religion, with society, things like that? |
Yeah. Definitely for me coming out was a hard thing. I came out very young. I came out at the age of about 13, 14. And my mom really didn't know how to accept it. I had like physical abuse from family members because of it. You know, we're going to change you. And for me, it was a very hard thing because sometimes I di... | yeah definitely for, me coming out was a hard thing, i. came out very young i came out, at the age of about 13, 14. and my mom really didn't know how to accept it i had; like physical abuse from family members because of it you know we're going to change you and, for. me it was a very hard thing, because. sometimes i d... | Yeah Definitely, for me coming, out was a hard thing. I came out very young I came out at the age of about 13, 14. And my mom really, didn't know how to accept it I. had like physical abuse from family, members because of it You know we're going to change you And for me it was a, very hard thing because sometimes I did... | yeah. definitely for me coming out was a hard thing. i came out very young. i came out at the age of about 13, 14. and my mom really didn't know how to accept it. i had like physical abuse from family members because of it. you know, we're going to change you. and for me, it was a very hard thing because sometimes i di... |
And now, you yourself are not Catholic, but you're going to a Catholic university. | and now you yourself are. not catholic but you're going to a catholic | And now you, yourself are not Catholic but you're going to a Catholic | and now, you yourself are not catholic, but you're going to a catholic university. |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. | ||
Is that an issue at all? | is that an issue at | Is, that an issue at | is that an issue at all? |
Actually, DePaul University is a very progressive university. I've never felt really uncomfortable about my sexuality there because I feel they - even if they don't have it all, they try to learn in - from their students because they value diversity, and that's one thing that I can say that they definitely stand for. S... | actually depaul university is a very progressive university i've never felt really uncomfortable about my, sexuality, there because i feel they - even if they don't have it all they try to learn in - from their students, because, they value diversity and that's one thing that i can say that, they, definitely; stand, fo... | Actually DePaul University is a very progressive university I've never felt really uncomfortable about my sexuality there because I feel they - even if they don't have it all they try to learn in - from their students because they value diversity and. that's one thing that I can say that they definitely stand for. So i... | actually, depaul university is a very progressive university. i've never felt really uncomfortable about my sexuality there because i feel they - even if they don't have it all, they try to learn in - from their students because they value diversity, and that's one thing that i can say that they definitely stand for. s... |
Valerie, what about you? What was your process? | valerie what about you? what was your | Valerie what about you? What was your | valerie, what about you? what was your process? |
Well, fortunately, I guess for me, I had a much easier process than Mark. And unfortunately for him, his sort of coming-out experience is the experience of a lot of younger LGBT folks in this country. But for me, once I came into a realization of who I was as a sexual being, there was no looking back for me. | well fortunately i guess for me, i had a much easier process than mark and unfortunately for him his sort of coming-out experience is the experience of a, lot of younger lgbt folks in this country but for me once i came into a realization of who i was as a sexual being there was no looking back for | Well fortunately I guess, for me I had a much easier process than Mark And unfortunately for him his, sort of coming-out experience is. the experience of a. lot of younger, LGBT, folks in this country But for me once I came into a realization of, who I was as a sexual being there was no looking back for; | well, fortunately, i guess for me, i had a much easier process than mark. and unfortunately for him, his sort of coming-out experience is the experience of a lot of younger lgbt folks in this country. but for me, once i came into a realization of who i was as a sexual being, there was no looking back for me. |
It's not really a surprise because all along the president and the Congress have said that they would restrain domestic spending in an attempt to get the budget deficit under control. And within that larger priority, the president has long made it a priority to increase defense spending, and he ann... | it's not really a surprise because all along. the president and the congress have said that, they would restrain domestic, spending in an attempt to get the budget deficit under control. and within that larger priority the president has long made it a priority. to increase defense spending and he a... | It's not. really a surprise because. all along, the president and the Congress have said that they would restrain domestic spending in an attempt. to get the budget deficit under control And within that larger priority the, president has long made it a priority to increase defense. spending and he ... | it's not really a surprise because all along the president and the congress have said that they would restrain domestic spending in an attempt to get the budget deficit under control. and within that larger priority, the president has long made it a priority to increase defense spending, and he ann... |
And I imagine researchers are very upset about this. | and i imagine researchers are very upset about | And I, imagine, researchers are very upset. about | and i imagine researchers are very upset about this. |
Yes, well, a lot of them are, especially in the biomedical field, because, you know, they have--they're used to getting, you know, some fairly substantial increases, at least in the last decade, and then at least a few increases in recent years. But now they'll be dealing with budget cuts. | yes well a lot of them are especially in the biomedical field because. you know they have--they're used to getting you know some fairly substantial increases at least in the last decade and then at least a, few increases in recent years but now they'll be dealing with budget | Yes; well a lot of them are especially in the biomedical field because you, know they have--they're used to getting you know some fairly. substantial increases at least in the, last decade and then at least a few increases in recent years But now they'll be dealing with budget | yes, well, a lot of them are, especially in the biomedical field, because, you know, they have--they're used to getting, you know, some fairly substantial increases, at least in the last decade, and then at least a few increases in recent years. but now they'll be dealing with budget cuts. |
And is there a feeling that the space program, the manned--the human space program, going to the moon and then to Mars, the president's vision here, is eating into the other projects? | and. is, there a feeling that the, space program. the manned--the human space program going to. the moon and then to mars the. president's vision here is, eating into the other | And is there a feeling that the space program the manned--the human space program going to the moon and, then to Mars the president's, vision here is, eating into the other | and is there a feeling that the space program, the manned--the human space program, going to the moon and then to mars, the president's vision here, is eating into the other projects? |
Well, there's definitely that feeling, especially for the scientific community that looks to NASA for its funding... | well there's definitely that feeling especially for the scientific community that looks. to nasa for its | Well there's definitely that feeling especially. for the scientific; community that looks to NASA, for its | well, there's definitely that feeling, especially for the scientific community that looks to nasa for its funding... |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
...because NASA's budget is going up, but not nearly enough to do everything that NASA has traditionally done. In order to build this next generation of human spacecraft, NASA is cutting its other investments in areas such as astronomy, biological research, environmental monitoring of the earth and... | ...because nasa's budget is going up but not, nearly enough to do everything; that nasa; has traditionally done in order to build this next generation of human, spacecraft nasa is cutting its other investments in. areas such as astronomy biological research. environmental monitoring of the earth an... | ...because NASA's, budget is. going up but, not nearly enough. to do everything that NASA has traditionally. done In order to build this next. generation of human spacecraft NASA, is cutting its other investments in areas such as astronomy biological research environmental monitoring of the earth a... | ...because nasa's budget is going up, but not nearly enough to do everything that nasa has traditionally done. in order to build this next generation of human spacecraft, nasa is cutting its other investments in areas such as astronomy, biological research, environmental monitoring of the earth and... |
How did the National Science Foundation do? | how did the national science foundation | How, did the National Science Foundation | how did the national science foundation do? |
Well, the National Science Foundation received a small increase in its budget, which is very important since NSF is the primary funding source for university researchers in areas other than medicine. But NSF hasn't done very well in the past few years, so in real terms, NSF has less money to spend t... | well the national science foundation received a small. increase in its budget which is very important since nsf is the primary funding source for university researchers in areas other than, medicine but nsf hasn't done very well in the, past few years so; in real terms nsf has less money to spend th... | Well the, National Science Foundation received a small increase in, its budget which is very important since NSF is the primary funding source for. university researchers in areas other than, medicine, But NSF hasn't done very well in the past few years so in real terms NSF has less money to spend t... | well, the national science foundation received a small increase in its budget, which is very important since nsf is the primary funding source for university researchers in areas other than medicine. but nsf hasn't done very well in the past few years, so in real terms, nsf has less money to spend t... |
Are... | are... | ||
...going to be a painful adjustment for many of these researchers. | ...going to be, a painful adjustment for many of these | ...going to be a painful adjustment for many of these | ...going to be a painful adjustment for many of these researchers. |
Are there any major projects that are outstanding that we would know about that--who will have to be cut back from the budget? | are there any major projects that are outstanding that we would, know about that--who will have to be cut, back from the | Are there any major projects that are outstanding that we would know about that--who will have. to be cut back from the | are there any major projects that are outstanding that we would know about that--who will have to be cut back from the budget? |
Well, there won't be--there's not one big project that you could point to, because federal research is funded in, you know, thousands of grants given to researchers around the country, and they're all taking, you know, small pieces of this quest for new knowledge. Unfortunately or fortunately, I mea... | well there won't, be--there's not one big project that you could point to because federal research is funded in you know thousands of grants given to researchers. around the country and they're all taking you, know small pieces of this quest for new knowledge unfortunately or fortunately i mean this... | Well there won't be--there's not one big project that you could point to because federal research is funded in you know thousands of grants given to researchers around. the; country and they're all taking you know small pieces of this, quest for new knowledge, Unfortunately or fortunately I. mean th... | well, there won't be--there's not one big project that you could point to, because federal research is funded in, you know, thousands of grants given to researchers around the country, and they're all taking, you know, small pieces of this quest for new knowledge. unfortunately or fortunately, i mea... |
Yeah. Kei Koizumi, I want to thank you for taking time to talk with us. | yeah kei. koizumi i, want to thank, you for taking time to talk with | Yeah Kei Koizumi I want to thank you for taking time to talk with | yeah. kei koizumi, i want to thank you for taking time to talk with us. |
Sure. | sure. | ||
Have a good weekend. | have a good | Have a good, | have a good weekend. |
He's director of the R&D Budget and Policy Program at the AAAS in Washington. | he's director of the r&d, budget and policy program at the aaas in | He's director of the R&D Budget and Policy Program at the AAAS in | he's director of the r&d budget and policy program at the aaas in washington. |
This is TALK OF THE NATION/SCIENCE FRIDAY from NPR News. I'm Joe Palca in for Ira Flatow. | this is talk of the nation/science friday from npr news i'm joe palca in for ira | This is TALK OF THE NATION/SCIENCE FRIDAY from NPR News I'm Joe Palca in for Ira | this is talk of the nation/science friday from npr news. i'm joe palca in for ira flatow. |
NASA doesn't offer guarantees, but the space agency has done everything it can think of to make sure the space shuttle Discovery will arrive safely back on Earth. This week, astronaut Stephen Robinson took a space walk to the shuttle's delicate underbelly to make unprecedented repairs. He carefully... | nasa doesn't offer guarantees but the, space agency, has done everything it can think of to make sure the space shuttle, discovery. will arrive safely. back on earth this week astronaut stephen robinson, took a space walk to the shuttle's delicate underbelly to make unprecedented repairs he careful... | NASA doesn't offer. guarantees but the space agency has done everything it can, think of to make; sure the space shuttle Discovery will arrive safely back on Earth This. week astronaut Stephen Robinson took a space. walk to the shuttle's delicate underbelly to make unprecedented repairs He carefull... | nasa doesn't offer guarantees, but the space agency has done everything it can think of to make sure the space shuttle discovery will arrive safely back on earth. this week, astronaut stephen robinson took a space walk to the shuttle's delicate underbelly to make unprecedented repairs. he carefully... |
Well, I suppose if any journalist can really judge whether NASA is right or not, it would be Bill Harwood. Bill is the CBS News space consultant. He's a veteran of scores of shuttle flights. He joins me today by phone from the Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas. | well i suppose if any journalist. can really judge whether nasa, is, right or not. it would be, bill harwood bill is the cbs news space consultant he's, a, veteran, of scores of. shuttle flights he joins me today by phone from the johnson space center in houston | Well I suppose if any journalist can, really judge whether NASA is right or. not it would be Bill Harwood Bill is the CBS News space consultant. He's a veteran of scores of shuttle flights He joins me today by phone from the Johnson Space Center; in. Houston | well, i suppose if any journalist can really judge whether nasa is right or not, it would be bill harwood. bill is the cbs news space consultant. he's a veteran of scores of shuttle flights. he joins me today by phone from the johnson space center in houston, texas. |
Bill, welcome to the program. | bill welcome to the | Bill welcome, to the | bill, welcome to the program. |
Well, thank you very much for having me. | well thank you very much. for having | Well thank you very much for having | well, thank you very much for having me. |
And I'd like to invite our listeners to join our conversation about the shuttle. Our number is 1 (800) 989-8255. That's 1 (800) 989-TALK. And if you want more information about what we'll be talking about this hour, go to our web site at www.sciencefriday.com, where you'll find links to our topic... | and i'd like to invite our listeners to join our conversation about the. shuttle our number is 1 (800) 989-8255. that's 1 (800) 989-talk and if you want more information about what we'll be talking about this hour go. to our web site at www.sciencefriday.com where you'll find. links to our | And I'd like to invite our listeners to join our conversation about the shuttle Our number is. 1 (800) 989-8255. That's 1 (800) 989-TALK And if you want more information about what we'll be, talking. about this hour go to. our web site at www.sciencefriday.com where you'll find links to our | and i'd like to invite our listeners to join our conversation about the shuttle. our number is 1 (800) 989-8255. that's 1 (800) 989-talk. and if you want more information about what we'll be talking about this hour, go to our web site at www.sciencefriday.com, where you'll find links to our topic... |
So, Bill, how did NASA managers convince themselves that this poofy piece of blanket didn't cause a problem? They certainly spent enough time looking at it and scratching their heads about it. | so bill how did nasa managers convince themselves that this poofy piece of blanket didn't cause a problem? they certainly spent enough time looking at it and scratching their heads about | So Bill how did NASA managers convince themselves that, this poofy piece of blanket didn't cause a problem? They certainly spent enough time looking at it and scratching their heads about | so, bill, how did nasa managers convince themselves that this poofy piece of blanket didn't cause a problem? they certainly spent enough time looking at it and scratching their heads about it. |
Well, you know what? It's Friday. I live in Florida right at the Kennedy Space Center, and when they're more than two days away, I don't even bother thinking about it... | well you know what? it's friday i live in florida right at the, kennedy space center and. when they're more than two days away i don't even bother thinking about | Well you know what? It's Friday I live in Florida right at the Kennedy Space Center and when. they're, more than two days away I don't even bother thinking about | well, you know what? it's friday. i live in florida right at the kennedy space center, and when they're more than two days away, i don't even bother thinking about it... |
Right. | right. | ||
...because the weather in Florida is dynamic, as you know, and of course, you're only predicting what the weather's going to be like during a one-hour period. So right now the forecast calls for rain within their 20-mile safety zone, but again, that's days out and that could very well change. I th... | ...because the weather in florida is, dynamic as. you know and of course you're only predicting what the weather's, going to be like during a, one-hour period so right now the, forecast calls for rain within their 20-mile safety, zone but again that's days, out. and that could, very. well. change ... | ...because the weather in Florida is dynamic as you know and, of course you're only predicting what the weather's going to be like during a one-hour period So. right now the forecast calls for rain. within their 20-mile safety zone but again that's days, out and that could very well change I think... | ...because the weather in florida is dynamic, as you know, and of course, you're only predicting what the weather's going to be like during a one-hour period. so right now the forecast calls for rain within their 20-mile safety zone, but again, that's days out and that could very well change. i th... |
Annie Jacobsen's new book is "Operation Paperclip: The Secret Intelligence Program to Bring Nazi Scientists to America." | annie jacobsen's new book is "operation paperclip: the secret intelligence program to bring nazi scientists to | Annie Jacobsen's new book is "Operation Paperclip: The Secret Intelligence, Program to Bring Nazi Scientists to | annie jacobsen's new book is "operation paperclip: the secret intelligence program to bring nazi scientists to america." |
what makes a good leader? We could measure the candidates based on politics and past performance. This week, though, we're taking a different view of that question through the prism of science. | what makes a good leader? we could measure the candidates, based on politics and past performance this week though we're taking a different view of that question through the prism of | what makes a good leader? We could measure the candidates based on politics, and past performance This, week though we're taking a different view of that question through the. prism. of | what makes a good leader? we could measure the candidates based on politics and past performance. this week, though, we're taking a different view of that question through the prism of science. |
NPR science correspondents Jon Hamilton often looks at things from an evolutionary point of view, and he found that American voters could learn a thing or two about picking leaders by studying fish, and or chimpanzees or elephants. | npr, science correspondents jon hamilton often looks at things from. an evolutionary point of view and he found that american voters could learn a thing, or two. about picking leaders by studying fish and or chimpanzees, or | NPR science correspondents, Jon Hamilton often looks at things from an evolutionary point of view and he, found that American. voters, could learn a thing or two about picking, leaders by studying fish and or chimpanzees or | npr science correspondents jon hamilton often looks at things from an evolutionary point of view, and he found that american voters could learn a thing or two about picking leaders by studying fish, and or chimpanzees or elephants. |
It's called the animal kingdom, but Iain Couzin of Princeton University says most animals live in something closer to a democracy. | it's called the animal kingdom but iain couzin; of princeton university says most animals live, in something closer to a | It's called the animal kingdom but Iain Couzin of Princeton University says most animals live in. something closer to a | it's called the animal kingdom, but iain couzin of princeton university says most animals live in something closer to a democracy. |
One common property we see in animal groups, from schooling fish to flocking birds to primate groups, is that they effectively vote to decide where to go and what to do. | one common property we see in animal, groups from schooling fish to flocking birds, to primate groups. is that they effectively vote to decide where to go and, what to | One common property. we see in animal groups. from schooling. fish to. flocking birds to primate groups is that they effectively vote to decide where, to go. and what. to, | one common property we see in animal groups, from schooling fish to flocking birds to primate groups, is that they effectively vote to decide where to go and what to do. |
When one fish heads for a potential source of food, the other fish vote with their fins on whether to follow. Couzin says his research shows that this highly democratic process helps groups of animals make better decisions than any one member of the group could. He says it also shows that successful animal leaders know... | when one fish, heads for a potential source of food; the other fish, vote. with their fins, on whether to, follow couzin says his research shows that this highly democratic process helps groups of, animals make. better decisions than any one member of the group could he says it also shows that successful animal leaders... | When one fish heads for a potential source of food, the other fish vote with their fins on, whether to follow Couzin says his research shows that this highly. democratic process helps groups, of animals make better decisions than any. one member of the group could He says it also shows that successful animal leaders kn... | when one fish heads for a potential source of food, the other fish vote with their fins on whether to follow. couzin says his research shows that this highly democratic process helps groups of animals make better decisions than any one member of the group could. he says it also shows that successful animal leaders know... |
They seem to simply reconcile their own goal-oriented behavior - you know, I want to move over there - with this local tendency to align with others. Because if you don't tend to be influenced by others, you then leave the group behind and you may get eaten by predators or you lose the benefits of group living. | they seem to simply reconcile their own goal-oriented behavior - you know i want to move over there - with this local tendency to align with others because if you don't tend to be influenced by others you then leave the group behind and you may get eaten by predators or you lose the benefits of group | They seem to. simply reconcile their own goal-oriented behavior. - you know I want to move over there - with this local tendency to align with others Because if you don't tend to be influenced by others you then leave the group behind and you may get eaten by predators or you lose the benefits of group | they seem to simply reconcile their own goal-oriented behavior - you know, i want to move over there - with this local tendency to align with others. because if you don't tend to be influenced by others, you then leave the group behind and you may get eaten by predators or you lose the benefits of group living. |
Couzin says these sorts of findings in animals should be of interest to human leaders, because we humans carry a lot of evolutionary baggage with us into the voting booth. He says when it comes to leadership, people are especially similar to animals that live in groups and depend on cooperation to survive. And these gr... | couzin says these sorts of findings in animals. should be of interest to human leaders because we humans carry a, lot of evolutionary baggage with us into the voting booth he says when it; comes to leadership people; are especially similar to animals. that live in groups and depend on cooperation to survive and these g... | Couzin says, these sorts of. findings in animals should, be of interest to human leaders because, we humans; carry a lot of. evolutionary, baggage, with us into the voting booth He says when it comes to leadership, people are especially similar to animals that live in groups and depend on cooperation to survive And the... | couzin says these sorts of findings in animals should be of interest to human leaders, because we humans carry a lot of evolutionary baggage with us into the voting booth. he says when it comes to leadership, people are especially similar to animals that live in groups and depend on cooperation to survive. and these gr... |
So what about the idea that it's just the biggest or strongest animal in a group that calls the shots? Mark van Vugt, an evolutionary psychologist from the VU University in Amsterdam, says it's rarely that simple. Take chimps, for example. | so what about the idea that it's just the biggest or strongest animal in a group that calls the shots? mark, van vugt an evolutionary psychologist from the vu university in amsterdam says it's rarely that simple take chimps for | So what about the idea that it's just the. biggest or strongest animal in a group that calls the shots? Mark van Vugt. an evolutionary psychologist from the VU, University; in. Amsterdam, says it's rarely. that simple Take chimps for | so what about the idea that it's just the biggest or strongest animal in a group that calls the shots? mark van vugt, an evolutionary psychologist from the vu university in amsterdam, says it's rarely that simple. take chimps, for example. |
In chimpanzees it's not necessarily the physically strongest individual who seizes the control over the group, who becomes the alpha, it's usually the more cunning individual; someone who forms his coalitions well and picks a partner who, together with him, they can overthrow the alpha. | in. chimpanzees it's not, necessarily the physically strongest individual who seizes the control over the group who becomes. the, alpha it's usually the more cunning individual someone; who forms his coalitions; well and, picks a partner, who together with, him they can overthrow the | In chimpanzees it's not. necessarily the physically strongest individual who seizes the control over the group who becomes the alpha it's. usually the more cunning individual someone who forms his coalitions well and picks a partner who together with. him they can overthrow the | in chimpanzees it's not necessarily the physically strongest individual who seizes the control over the group, who becomes the alpha, it's usually the more cunning individual; someone who forms his coalitions well and picks a partner who, together with him, they can overthrow the alpha. |
Van Vugt says animal leadership also demonstrates how groups choose different leaders for different situations. In elephants, the de facto leader is usually the oldest female. But van Vugt says that can change. | van vugt, says, animal leadership. also demonstrates how groups choose. different leaders for different situations in elephants the de facto leader is. usually, the oldest female but van vugt says that can | Van Vugt says animal leadership also demonstrates how groups choose different. leaders for different situations In elephants the de facto leader is usually the oldest female But van Vugt says that, can | van vugt says animal leadership also demonstrates how groups choose different leaders for different situations. in elephants, the de facto leader is usually the oldest female. but van vugt says that can change. |
When the group is attacked, it may not be the oldest female who takes control. It might be like one of the dominant male members, if you like. But when it comes to knowledge problems, and particularly where to find water, they then turn to the oldest female. | when the group is attacked it may, not be the oldest. female who takes control it, might. be like one of the dominant male members if you like but. when it comes to knowledge problems and particularly where; to find water they then, turn to the; oldest | When the group is attacked it may not be the oldest female, who takes control It might be like one of the dominant, male members if. you like But. when it comes to knowledge problems and particularly where to find water they. then turn to the oldest. | when the group is attacked, it may not be the oldest female who takes control. it might be like one of the dominant male members, if you like. but when it comes to knowledge problems, and particularly where to find water, they then turn to the oldest female. |
Van Vugt says some animal leaders have traits we wish all human leaders had, like unfailing honesty. He says honeybees are a good example. Their scouts lead by finding a food source and then communicating the location to other bees, through something called a waggle dance. | van vugt says. some; animal leaders have traits, we wish, all human leaders had. like unfailing honesty. he says honeybees, are a good example their. scouts, lead, by finding a food source and then communicating the location, to other bees through something called, a waggle | Van Vugt says some animal leaders have, traits we wish all human leaders had like unfailing honesty He says honeybees are a good example Their scouts lead by finding a food source and then communicating the location to other. bees through something called a, waggle | van vugt says some animal leaders have traits we wish all human leaders had, like unfailing honesty. he says honeybees are a good example. their scouts lead by finding a food source and then communicating the location to other bees, through something called a waggle dance. |
The interesting thing about it is in the signaling of the scout bees there is no deception whatsoever. I mean, they want to do what is best for the hive. And I think that is a little bit dissimilar to humans. | the interesting thing about it is in the signaling of the scout bees there is no deception whatsoever i mean they, want to do what is best for the hive and i think that is a little bit dissimilar; to | The interesting thing about it is in the signaling of the scout bees there is no deception whatsoever I mean they want to do what is. best for the hive And I think that is a little bit dissimilar to | the interesting thing about it is in the signaling of the scout bees there is no deception whatsoever. i mean, they want to do what is best for the hive. and i think that is a little bit dissimilar to humans. |
Or chimps, whose leaders are often accomplished liars. | or, chimps, whose leaders are often accomplished | Or chimps whose leaders are often accomplished | or chimps, whose leaders are often accomplished liars. |
Iain Couzin at Princeton says one way animals and people are clearly alike is that both are capable of choosing a bad leader. | iain couzin at princeton says one way. animals and people are clearly alike is that both are capable of choosing a bad | Iain. Couzin at Princeton says one, way animals and, people are clearly alike is that both are capable of choosing a bad | iain couzin at princeton says one way animals and people are clearly alike is that both are capable of choosing a bad leader. |
It's not necessarily the most talented or intelligent individual that ends up in a leadership position. There can be this temporary, a sort of rise of power of an individual. | it's not necessarily the most talented or intelligent individual that ends up in a leadership position there can be this temporary a sort of rise of power of an | It's not necessarily the most. talented or intelligent individual that ends up in a leadership position There can be this temporary a sort of rise. of power of an | it's not necessarily the most talented or intelligent individual that ends up in a leadership position. there can be this temporary, a sort of rise of power of an individual. |
Temporary because bad leadership doesn't tend to last too long. | temporary because bad leadership doesn't tend to last too | Temporary because bad leadership doesn't. tend to last too | temporary because bad leadership doesn't tend to last too long. |
Typically in animals, if this person doesn't have substance behind what they're saying, then they will end up losing out in the longer term. | typically. in; animals; if this person doesn't have substance behind what they're saying then they will end up losing out in the longer | Typically. in animals if this person doesn't, have substance behind what. they're saying. then they will end up losing out in the longer | typically in animals, if this person doesn't have substance behind what they're saying, then they will end up losing out in the longer term. |
And animals don't wait for the next election to find a better choice. Jon Hamilton, NPR News. | and animals don't wait for the next election to find a better choice jon hamilton npr | And animals don't wait for the next election to find a better choice Jon Hamilton NPR | and animals don't wait for the next election to find a better choice. jon hamilton, npr news. |
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We're following up this morning on what appears to be a near decision of who will rule Iraq. The country has gone through more than 200 days of indecision since this year's election and now Iraqis are said to be relatively close to having the same prime minister they had before. | we're following up this morning on what appears to. be a near decision of who will, rule iraq the country has gone through, more than 200 days of indecision since. this year's election and now iraqis are said to. be relatively close to having the same prime, minister they had | We're following up this morning on what appears to be a near decision of who will rule Iraq The country has gone through more than 200 days of indecision since this year's, election and now Iraqis are said to be relatively close to having the same prime minister they had | we're following up this morning on what appears to be a near decision of who will rule iraq. the country has gone through more than 200 days of indecision since this year's election and now iraqis are said to be relatively close to having the same prime minister they had before. |
We're going to talk about what this means with Michael Wahid Hanna. He's a human rights expert who studies Iraqi politics and law. He's with The Century Foundation. He's in our New York studios. | we're going to talk, about what this means with michael wahid hanna he's a. human rights expert who studies iraqi politics and. law he's with the. century foundation he's in our. new york | We're going to talk about what this means with Michael Wahid, Hanna He's a human rights. expert who studies Iraqi. politics and law He's with The Century Foundation He's in our New, York | we're going to talk about what this means with michael wahid hanna. he's a human rights expert who studies iraqi politics and law. he's with the century foundation. he's in our new york studios. |
Welcome to the program. | welcome to the | Welcome. to the | welcome to the program. |
Thanks for having me. | thanks for having | Thanks for having | thanks for having me. |
The news headlines suggest that Nouri al-Maliki, the current prime minister, is going to keep his job. Is that certain at this point? | the news headlines suggest that nouri, al-maliki the current prime minister. is going to, keep his job is that certain at this | The news headlines suggest that Nouri al-Maliki the current, prime minister is going to keep his job Is that certain at this | the news headlines suggest that nouri al-maliki, the current prime minister, is going to keep his job. is that certain at this point? |
It's not absolutely certain. But it's always been the odds-on most likely result, and that's a function of demography and politics. Iraq is a Shiite-majority country and so although his party was the runner-up in the March elections, it was always likely that he was going up as the premier one more time. | it's not absolutely certain but it's always been the odds-on most likely result and that's a function. of demography and politics, iraq is a shiite-majority country and so although his party was. the runner-up in the march. elections it was, always likely that he was going up as the premier one more | It's not absolutely certain But, it's always been the odds-on. most likely result and that's a function of demography; and politics Iraq is. a, Shiite-majority country and so although his party was the. runner-up in the March elections it was always likely that he was going up as the, premier one more | it's not absolutely certain. but it's always been the odds-on most likely result, and that's a function of demography and politics. iraq is a shiite-majority country and so although his party was the runner-up in the march elections, it was always likely that he was going up as the premier one more time. |
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