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Bill Harwood is a CBS News space correspondent. We're going to take a short break now, but when we come back, we go from outer space right down to something that everybody can understand: a puppy. Won't that be great? Stay with us.	bill harwood is a cbs, news space correspondent we're going to take a short break now but when we come back we go from outer space right down to something that everybody can. understand: a puppy won't that be great? stay with	Bill Harwood is a CBS News space, correspondent. We're going to take a short break now but when we come back we go from outer space right. down. to something that everybody can; understand: a puppy Won't that be great? Stay with	bill harwood is a cbs news space correspondent. we're going to take a short break now, but when we come back, we go from outer space right down to something that everybody can understand: a puppy. won't that be great? stay with us.
That was pretty hectic. I probably had my name taken down at least six times by different sheriff's department officers as I sat on the curb pretty devastated.	that was pretty hectic i. probably had my name taken down at least six times by, different sheriff's department officers as i sat on the curb pretty	That was pretty hectic I probably had my name. taken down at least six times by different sheriff's department officers as I sat on the curb. pretty.	that was pretty hectic. i probably had my name taken down at least six times by different sheriff's department officers as i sat on the curb pretty devastated.
Salzgeber was one of the men who tackled Loughner and one of dozens of firsthand witnesses to the crime. Eventually, he and his wife got their turns inside the sheriff department's RV, where they were interviewed at length. A deputy asked most of the questions, he says, with an FBI agent listening in. Then a few days l...	salzgeber was one of the men who tackled loughner and one of dozens of firsthand witnesses to the crime eventually he and his wife. got their turns inside. the sheriff department's rv where they. were interviewed at length, a deputy asked most of the questions he says with an fbi agent listening in then, a few days lat...	Salzgeber was. one of the. men who tackled Loughner and one of dozens of firsthand witnesses to the crime Eventually he and his wife got their turns inside the sheriff department's RV where they were. interviewed at length A deputy, asked most of the questions he says with an FBI. agent listening, in Then a few days la...	salzgeber was one of the men who tackled loughner and one of dozens of firsthand witnesses to the crime. eventually, he and his wife got their turns inside the sheriff department's rv, where they were interviewed at length. a deputy asked most of the questions, he says, with an fbi agent listening in. then a few days l...
A gentleman came out and went over our car one more time in excruciating detail looking, you know, for scratches or stray bullets, 'cause I think they have more or had more shell casings than they could find bullets.	a gentleman came, out and went over, our car one, more time in excruciating detail looking you know for scratches or stray bullets 'cause i think they have more or, had more shell casings than they could find	A gentleman. came out and. went over our, car one more time in excruciating detail looking you know for scratches or stray bullets 'cause I think they. have more or had more shell casings, than they could find	a gentleman came out and went over our car one more time in excruciating detail looking, you know, for scratches or stray bullets, 'cause i think they have more or had more shell casings than they could find bullets.
This attention to excruciating detail is remarkable given the magnitude of the case. The Pima County attorney's office says so far, victims and witnesses total about 150 people.	this attention to excruciating detail is remarkable given the magnitude of the, case the pima county attorney's office, says so far victims and witnesses total about	This attention to excruciating detail is. remarkable given the magnitude, of the case The Pima County attorney's office says so far victims and witnesses total about	this attention to excruciating detail is remarkable given the magnitude of the case. the pima county attorney's office says so far, victims and witnesses total about 150 people.
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At the sheriff's department, deputies monitor live aerial surveillance video of the funeral of one of the shooting victims. Captain Frank Duarte says the investigation itself is now entering a new phase.	at the sheriff's department deputies monitor live aerial, surveillance video of the. funeral of one of the shooting victims captain frank duarte says the investigation itself is now. entering. a new	At the sheriff's department deputies monitor. live aerial surveillance video of the funeral of one, of the shooting victims Captain Frank, Duarte says the investigation itself is now entering a new	at the sheriff's department, deputies monitor live aerial surveillance video of the funeral of one of the shooting victims. captain frank duarte says the investigation itself is now entering a new phase.
Most of the investigation at this point will now begin to do the forensics piece, doing up the research and all the pieces that you need to bring the puzzle together.	most of the investigation at this point will now begin to do the forensics piece, doing up the research and all the, pieces that you need. to bring the puzzle	Most of the investigation at, this point will now, begin to do the. forensics piece doing up the research and all the pieces that you need to, bring the puzzle	most of the investigation at this point will now begin to do the forensics piece, doing up the research and all the pieces that you need to bring the puzzle together.
With the physical evidence mostly gathered, attention is now shifting from what happened outside the Safeway to what happened in the days and weeks before the shooting. And Loughner's defense team will dig even further back.	with the physical evidence mostly. gathered attention is now shifting from what happened outside the safeway to what happened in the days and weeks before the shooting and loughner's defense team will dig even further	With the; physical evidence mostly gathered attention is now shifting from what happened outside, the; Safeway to what, happened in the. days, and weeks before the shooting And Loughner's defense team, will dig even further	with the physical evidence mostly gathered, attention is now shifting from what happened outside the safeway to what happened in the days and weeks before the shooting. and loughner's defense team will dig even further back.
The defense lawyer's job is to learn everything that there is to learn, that can possibly be known about her client.	the defense lawyer's job is to learn everything that there is to. learn that can possibly be known about her	The defense lawyer's job is to learn everything that there is to learn that can possibly, be known about her	the defense lawyer's job is to learn everything that there is to learn, that can possibly be known about her client.
David Bruck is a clinical professor at the Washington and Lee School of Law. He's worked on similar high-profile murder cases as co-counsel for Loughner's new lawyer, Judy Clarke. He says Clarke most certainly already has private investigators on the case.	david bruck is a clinical professor at the washington and lee school of law he's worked. on similar high-profile murder cases as co-counsel for loughner's new lawyer judy clarke he says clarke most certainly already has, private investigators, on the	David Bruck is, a clinical professor at the Washington and Lee School of Law He's worked on similar high-profile murder cases as co-counsel for Loughner's new. lawyer Judy Clarke He says. Clarke most certainly already has private investigators on the	david bruck is a clinical professor at the washington and lee school of law. he's worked on similar high-profile murder cases as co-counsel for loughner's new lawyer, judy clarke. he says clarke most certainly already has private investigators on the case.
There has to be a thorough, a truly exhaustive investigation of the defendants' background, his life, what - his road in life, where he came from, why he may have done this, what his informative experiences were. It's an investigation that goes back generations.	there, has to be a thorough a. truly exhaustive investigation of the defendants' background his life what - his, road in life where he came from why he may, have done this what his informative experiences were it's, an investigation that goes, back	There has to be a, thorough a truly exhaustive, investigation of the defendants' background, his life what - his road in life where he came from why he may have done this what his informative experiences, were It's an. investigation that. goes, back	there has to be a thorough, a truly exhaustive investigation of the defendants' background, his life, what - his road in life, where he came from, why he may have done this, what his informative experiences were. it's an investigation that goes back generations.
Bruck says the investigators will want to know if mental illness runs in the family, but not necessarily in order to mount an insanity defense.	bruck says the investigators will want to know if, mental illness runs in, the family but not necessarily in order to mount an insanity	Bruck says the investigators will, want to know if, mental illness runs in the family but not necessarily. in order, to mount an insanity	bruck says the investigators will want to know if mental illness runs in the family, but not necessarily in order to mount an insanity defense.
The insanity defense means the person is legally not guilty, however, a guilty defendant still can and very often does present evidence at the sentencing part of the trial about mental afflictions that may have affected his blameworthiness at the time of the crime.	the insanity defense means the. person. is legally not guilty however a guilty defendant still can and very often does present evidence at the sentencing part of, the trial, about mental afflictions that may have affected his blameworthiness at the, time of. the	The insanity defense means, the person is legally, not guilty. however a guilty defendant still can and very often; does present evidence at the sentencing part of the trial about mental; afflictions that may have affected his blameworthiness at the time of the	the insanity defense means the person is legally not guilty, however, a guilty defendant still can and very often does present evidence at the sentencing part of the trial about mental afflictions that may have affected his blameworthiness at the time of the crime.
Martin Kaste, NPR News, Tucson.	martin kaste npr news	Martin Kaste, NPR News	martin kaste, npr news, tucson.
This is TALK OF THE NATION. I'm Neal Conan in Washington.	this is talk of the nation i'm neal conan, in	This is TALK OF THE NATION I'm Neal Conan in	this is talk of the nation. i'm neal conan in washington.
We're going to spend most of this hour talking about Senator Hillary Clinton. Thirty women reflect on her presidential candidacy in a new book.	we're going to, spend most of, this hour talking about senator hillary clinton thirty women reflect on her presidential candidacy in a. new	We're going to spend most of this hour talking about Senator, Hillary Clinton Thirty women reflect on her presidential candidacy in a new	we're going to spend most of this hour talking about senator hillary clinton. thirty women reflect on her presidential candidacy in a new book.
But first, a progress report on Iraq. Yesterday, we spoke with three people recently back from Iraq and we had hoped to be able to talk with the United Nations top envoy in Baghdad, Steffan de Mistura. The schedules didn't work out yesterday, but Mr. de Mistura agreed to talk with us today.	but first a progress report on iraq yesterday we spoke, with three people recently back from iraq and we, had hoped to be able to talk with the united nations, top envoy in baghdad steffan de mistura the schedules didn't work out yesterday but. mr de mistura agreed, to. talk, with us	But first a. progress report on Iraq Yesterday we spoke with three people recently back from Iraq and we had hoped to be able, to talk with the United Nations. top envoy in Baghdad Steffan de Mistura The schedules didn't work out yesterday but Mr de Mistura agreed to talk with us	but first, a progress report on iraq. yesterday, we spoke with three people recently back from iraq and we had hoped to be able to talk with the united nations top envoy in baghdad, steffan de mistura. the schedules didn't work out yesterday, but mr. de mistura agreed to talk with us today.
Since September, he's been the head of the U.N. Assistance Mission for Iraq in the United Nations secretary general's special representative in Baghdad. He returned to New York to brief the U.N. Security Council on military and political progress in Iraq on Monday. And in his report, there was some optimism.	since september he's, been the head of the u.n assistance mission for, iraq in. the united nations secretary general's special representative in baghdad he returned to new york, to brief the u.n security council on. military and. political, progress, in iraq on monday and in his report there was some	Since September he's been the head of the U.N Assistance Mission for Iraq in the United Nations secretary general's special representative in Baghdad He, returned to New York, to brief the U.N Security Council on military and. political. progress in Iraq on Monday And in his. report there was some	since september, he's been the head of the u.n. assistance mission for iraq in the united nations secretary general's special representative in baghdad. he returned to new york to brief the u.n. security council on military and political progress in iraq on monday. and in his report, there was some optimism.
We invite you to join the conversation. If you'd like to talk with Steffan de Mistura about how he sees the situation in Iraq or the U.N.'s role in that country, give us a call, 800-989-8255. E-mail us - talk@npr.org. And you can join the conversation on our blog at npr.org/blogofthenation.	we invite you. to join the conversation if you'd like. to talk with steffan de mistura about. how he sees the situation in iraq or the u.n's role in that country give us a call 800-989-8255. e-mail us - talk@npr.org and you can join the conversation on our blog at	We invite you to, join the conversation If you'd like to talk with Steffan de Mistura about how he sees the situation in Iraq. or the U.N's. role in that. country give us a, call 800-989-8255. E-mail us - talk@npr.org And; you can join the conversation on our blog at	we invite you to join the conversation. if you'd like to talk with steffan de mistura about how he sees the situation in iraq or the u.n.'s role in that country, give us a call, 800-989-8255. e-mail us - talk@npr.org. and you can join the conversation on our blog at npr.org/blogofthenation.
Steffan de Mistura joins us from the BBC's bureau at the United Nations. And Mr. de Mistura, nice to have you on TALK OF THE NATION.	steffan de mistura joins us from the bbc's bureau. at. the united; nations and mr de mistura nice to have you on talk; of the.	Steffan de Mistura joins us from the BBC's bureau at the United. Nations And Mr de Mistura nice to have you on TALK OF. THE	steffan de mistura joins us from the bbc's bureau at the united nations. and mr. de mistura, nice to have you on talk of the nation.
Thank you. Good to be with you.	thank you good to be with	Thank you Good to be with	thank you. good to be with you.
And I understand that your initial report was to be, well, somewhat pessimistic, but then one thing happened in Baghdad that caused you to change your mind, at least a little bit.	and i understand that; your initial report was to be well somewhat pessimistic but then one thing happened in baghdad that caused you to change your mind at least a little	And I understand, that. your initial report was to be well somewhat pessimistic but then one, thing happened in Baghdad that caused you to change your mind at least a little	and i understand that your initial report was to be, well, somewhat pessimistic, but then one thing happened in baghdad that caused you to change your mind, at least a little bit.
You're totally right. We were being pessimistic and, frankly, impatient too, about the fact there was not an indication of a political dialogue, especially in order to bring back the Sunnis into a government of national unity. But on the 12th of January, there was a decision by the parliament to actually address the is...	you're totally right we, were being pessimistic and frankly impatient too about the fact there was not an indication of a political dialogue especially in order to bring back the, sunnis into, a government of national unity but. on the 12th of january, there was a decision by the parliament to actually. address the iss...	You're totally right, We were being pessimistic and frankly impatient too about the fact there was not an indication of a political dialogue especially. in order to bring back the Sunnis into a government of national unity But on the 12th of, January there, was, a decision by the parliament to actually address the issu...	you're totally right. we were being pessimistic and, frankly, impatient too, about the fact there was not an indication of a political dialogue, especially in order to bring back the sunnis into a government of national unity. but on the 12th of january, there was a decision by the parliament to actually address the is...
In other words, 30,000 people were being, in one way or the other, associated with the period of the Baath Party did most of them probably just do it like it happened in Eastern Europe during the Soviet Union, they were joining a party in order to get a job, but they are part of the middle class. And they could be rein...	in other words, 30,000 people were being; in, one way or the other associated with the. period of. the baath party did most of them. probably just do it like it happened. in. eastern europe during the soviet union they were joining, a party in order to get a job but they are part of the middle class and they could be r...	In other, words; 30,000 people were being in one way or the other associated. with the period of the Baath Party did most of them probably just do it like it happened. in Eastern Europe during the Soviet Union they were. joining a party in order to get a job but they, are. part of the middle class And. they could be re...	in other words, 30,000 people were being, in one way or the other, associated with the period of the baath party did most of them probably just do it like it happened in eastern europe during the soviet union, they were joining a party in order to get a job, but they are part of the middle class. and they could be rein...
That law has been addressing that point. And that will be a step in the right direction because the Sunnis are part of Iraq and need to be part of the solution of Iraq.	that law has been. addressing that point. and that will be a step in the right, direction because the sunnis are part of iraq and need to be part of the solution, of	That law has been addressing that point And that will be a step in the right direction because. the Sunnis are part of Iraq and, need. to be part of the solution of	that law has been addressing that point. and that will be a step in the right direction because the sunnis are part of iraq and need to be part of the solution of iraq.
And also, most of those people are Sunnis and this would help address another problem that's ongoing in Iraq: How much the Sunnis believe they're invested in the government?	and also most of those people are sunnis and. this would help address another problem that's ongoing in iraq: how much the sunnis believe they're invested in the	And also. most of those people; are Sunnis and this would help address another problem that's ongoing in Iraq: How much the Sunnis believe they're invested in the	and also, most of those people are sunnis and this would help address another problem that's ongoing in iraq: how much the sunnis believe they're invested in the government?
Exactly. And that's what we need at the moment. This is a crucial year. There has been an improvement on the security, also because many Sunnis, the so-called awakening councils, instead of fighting the coalition forces or fighting the Shia, had been starting fighting al Qaeda. That's why if you saw the recent attacks ...	exactly. and that's. what we need at the moment this is a crucial year there has been an improvement, on the security also because, many sunnis, the so-called. awakening councils instead of fighting the, coalition forces or fighting the shia had been starting fighting al qaeda that's why if you saw the recent attacks a...	Exactly And that's what we need at the. moment This is a crucial year There has been an improvement on the security also because many Sunnis the so-called awakening councils instead of, fighting the coalition forces or fighting the Shia had been starting fighting al Qaeda That's why, if you saw the recent attacks are m...	exactly. and that's what we need at the moment. this is a crucial year. there has been an improvement on the security, also because many sunnis, the so-called awakening councils, instead of fighting the coalition forces or fighting the shia, had been starting fighting al qaeda. that's why if you saw the recent attacks ...
One of the factors of - well, the Sunni boycott of election is that they tend to be underrepresented in provincial assemblies. In Davos, at the World Economic Forum, Iraq's deputy prime minister said today that he favors rolling local elections, part of the Provincial Powers Act that has yet to be ratified by Iraq's pa...	one of the factors of - well the. sunni boycott of election is that they; tend to be underrepresented in provincial. assemblies in davos at, the world economic forum iraq's deputy prime minister said today that he favors rolling local, elections part of the provincial powers act that has yet to, be ratified by iraq's p...	One of the factors of - well the Sunni boycott of election is, that they, tend to be underrepresented in provincial assemblies. In Davos at the World Economic Forum Iraq's. deputy prime minister said today that he favors rolling local elections part of the Provincial Powers Act that has yet to be ratified by Iraq's par...	one of the factors of - well, the sunni boycott of election is that they tend to be underrepresented in provincial assemblies. in davos, at the world economic forum, iraq's deputy prime minister said today that he favors rolling local elections, part of the provincial powers act that has yet to be ratified by iraq's pa...
I didn't sort of struggle with, you know, some of the typical things that people struggle with, you know, whether this had an impact on how guys felt about me or how my family was going to see me. And it was just a matter of coming to terms with myself. My family has been very supportive, and I've not looked back since...	i didn't sort of struggle with you know some of the typical things that people struggle with you know whether this had an impact on how guys felt about me or how my, family was going to see me and it was just a matter of, coming to terms with. myself my family has been very supportive, and i've not looked back since, -...	I didn't sort of struggle with, you know some of the typical, things that people struggle with you know whether, this had an impact on how guys felt about me, or how my family was going to see me And it was just a matter of coming to terms with myself My family has; been very supportive and, I've not looked back since ...	i didn't sort of struggle with, you know, some of the typical things that people struggle with, you know, whether this had an impact on how guys felt about me or how my family was going to see me. and it was just a matter of coming to terms with myself. my family has been very supportive, and i've not looked back since...
You were 20 - let me figure out how to say this. You were 23 years old when you came out, but how old were you when you felt in your soul, I'm a lesbian?	you were 20 - let me figure out how to, say this you. were 23 years old, when you came, out but how old were you when, you felt in your soul i'm a,	You were 20 - let me figure out. how to say this You were 23 years old when you. came, out but. how old. were you when you felt in your soul I'm a	you were 20 - let me figure out how to say this. you were 23 years old when you came out, but how old were you when you felt in your soul, i'm a lesbian?
Probably about four years old.	probably about four years	Probably about. four years	probably about four years old.
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Yeah. It's an interesting thing because I think a lot of us sort of go through this transition of wondering, you know, I'm different. And I know I'm different, but how am I different? And then what role models do I have out there to sort of frame this difference? And I didn't have any role models growing up. All of my ...	yeah; it's an interesting thing because i think a lot of us sort of go through this transition of wondering; you know i'm different; and i know i'm different but how. am i different? and then what role models, do i have out there to sort of frame this difference? and i didn't have, any role models growing up all, of my...	Yeah It's an interesting. thing because I think a lot of us sort of go through this transition of wondering you know I'm different And I know. I'm different but how am I different? And. then what role models do I have out there to sort of frame this difference? And I didn't. have any role models growing up All, of, my ...	yeah. it's an interesting thing because i think a lot of us sort of go through this transition of wondering, you know, i'm different. and i know i'm different, but how am i different? and then what role models do i have out there to sort of frame this difference? and i didn't have any role models growing up. all of my ...
Even though when I was in the seventh grade I told my mother that if she wanted a son-in-law and grandchildren, that she had to look to my sister because I was not marrying a man, and I was not birthing no babies. And didn't realize the impact of what that meant, you know, in my seventh-grade mind. But after sort of ha...	even though when i was in the seventh grade i told my. mother. that if, she wanted a son-in-law and grandchildren that she had to look to my sister because i, was not marrying a man and i was not birthing no babies and didn't realize the impact of what that meant you know in my seventh-grade mind but after sort of havi...	Even, though when I was in the seventh grade I told my mother that if. she wanted a son-in-law and grandchildren that she had to look to my sister because I was not marrying, a man and I was not. birthing no babies And didn't realize the impact of what that meant you know in my seventh-grade mind But after sort of havi...	even though when i was in the seventh grade i told my mother that if she wanted a son-in-law and grandchildren, that she had to look to my sister because i was not marrying a man, and i was not birthing no babies. and didn't realize the impact of what that meant, you know, in my seventh-grade mind. but after sort of ha...
Now, Jasmyne, we've had you on before as a commentator and also as a guest. What about you? I mean obviously now you're very much in a role of an activist and a writer. What was your process like, not just in terms of coming out to family but also what did your sexual identity have as an impact on I guess your politica...	now jasmyne we've had you on, before as a commentator and also as a guest what about you? i mean obviously now, you're very much in a role of an activist and a writer what was your process like not just in terms of coming, out to family but also what did your sexual identity, have as an impact on i guess your political...	Now Jasmyne; we've had you on before as a, commentator and also as a guest What about you? I mean, obviously now you're very. much in a role of an activist and a writer What was, your process like not just in, terms of coming out to family but also what did your sexual identity. have as, an impact on I guess your polit...	now, jasmyne, we've had you on before as a commentator and also as a guest. what about you? i mean obviously now you're very much in a role of an activist and a writer. what was your process like, not just in terms of coming out to family but also what did your sexual identity have as an impact on i guess your politica...
I think the biggest impact was me being able to quote unquote, "prove" to the black community, of which I'm a part of, that I was still a part of the community, even though I was a lesbian. And that just as much as I cared for issues that were important to same gender loving people, I also cared about the issues that w...	i think the biggest impact was me being able to quote unquote "prove" to the black community of which i'm a part of that i was still a part of the community even though i; was a lesbian and that just as much as, i cared for issues that were important to same gender loving people i also cared about the issues that were ...	I, think the biggest impact was me being able to, quote unquote "prove" to the black community of which I'm a; part of that I was still a part of the, community even though I was a lesbian And that just as much as I cared for issues that were important to same gender loving people I also cared about the issues that wer...	i think the biggest impact was me being able to quote unquote, "prove" to the black community, of which i'm a part of, that i was still a part of the community, even though i was a lesbian. and that just as much as i cared for issues that were important to same gender loving people, i also cared about the issues that w...
And after three or four years now, it's all come together. People respect me for who I am. You know, I'm no longer the lesbian, you know. I'm the sister, you know. People know, but it's not - that's not the only thing. That's not just who I am in terms of coming out, however.	and, after three or four years, now it's all come together people respect me for who i am, you, know i'm no longer the lesbian you know i'm the sister you know, people know but it's not - that's not the only thing that's not just who i am, in terms of coming out	And after three or. four, years now it's all come together People respect me for who I am You know I'm no longer the, lesbian you. know I'm the, sister you know People. know but it's not - that's not the only thing That's. not just who I am in terms of coming out	and after three or four years now, it's all come together. people respect me for who i am. you know, i'm no longer the lesbian, you know. i'm the sister, you know. people know, but it's not - that's not the only thing. that's not just who i am in terms of coming out, however.
My family - it was a little hard. I mean, my grandparents don't accept it. My grandmother is a Jehovah's Witness, my other grandparents are Baptist, and they frown upon it. My parents, however, are a bit more liberal, a bit more understanding. But one thing I will say is that my grandparents read my articles and they s...	my family - it was a little hard i mean my grandparents. don't accept it my grandmother is a jehovah's witness my other grandparents are, baptist and they frown upon it my parents however are a bit more; liberal a bit. more understanding but, one thing i will. say is that my; grandparents read my articles and they see ...	My family - it was a little hard I mean my grandparents don't accept it My grandmother is a Jehovah's Witness my other grandparents are Baptist and; they, frown upon it My parents however are a, bit more liberal a bit more understanding But one thing I will say is that my grandparents read my articles and they see me, ...	my family - it was a little hard. i mean, my grandparents don't accept it. my grandmother is a jehovah's witness, my other grandparents are baptist, and they frown upon it. my parents, however, are a bit more liberal, a bit more understanding. but one thing i will say is that my grandparents read my articles and they s...