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Rick Steves is the author of several European travel guide books. He hosts the public radio talk show "Travel with Rick Steves" and the television show "Rick Steves' Europe." And he joins us now from his - from a studio in Edmonds, Washington. | rick. steves is the author of several european. travel guide books he hosts the public radio. talk show "travel, with rick steves" and the television show "rick steves' europe" and he joins us now from. his - from a studio in edmonds | Rick Steves is the author of several European travel guide books He, hosts the. public radio talk, show "Travel with Rick Steves" and the television. show "Rick Steves' Europe" And he joins us now from his - from a studio in Edmonds | rick steves is the author of several european travel guide books. he hosts the public radio talk show "travel with rick steves" and the television show "rick steves' europe." and he joins us now from his - from a studio in edmonds, washington. |
And it's nice to have you in TALK OF THE NATION today. | and it's nice to have you in talk of the. nation | And it's nice to. have you in TALK OF THE. NATION | and it's nice to have you in talk of the nation today. |
Thanks, Neal. Good to be with you. | thanks neal. good to be. with | Thanks; Neal Good to be with | thanks, neal. good to be with you. |
And, all right, we talked in the previous segment about how to get to Europe at a reasonable price. Where should you go to have a reasonably priced vacation once you get there? | and all right. we talked in the previous segment about how to get to europe at, a reasonable price where should you go. to have a reasonably priced vacation; once you get | And all right we talked in the previous segment about how to get to Europe at a reasonable price Where should you go to have a reasonably priced vacation once you get | and, all right, we talked in the previous segment about how to get to europe at a reasonable price. where should you go to have a reasonably priced vacation once you get there? |
Well, that's the natural question with the dollar, where it is these days? Where are all my dollars stretched further? And, you know, I always tell people, if I tell you Portugal is cheaper than Ireland but your travel beams are taking you to Ireland, and Ireland is one of the most expensive corners of Europe, your bes... | well that's the natural question with. the dollar where it is these days? where are. all my dollars stretched further? and you know i always; tell people if i tell you portugal. is cheaper than ireland but your travel beams are taking you to ireland and ireland. is one of the most expensive corners, of, europe your, be... | Well that's; the natural question with the; dollar where it is these, days? Where are all my dollars stretched further? And you know, I always tell people if I tell you Portugal is cheaper than Ireland but your travel beams, are taking. you. to Ireland. and Ireland. is one, of the, most expensive corners of Europe your... | well, that's the natural question with the dollar, where it is these days? where are all my dollars stretched further? and, you know, i always tell people, if i tell you portugal is cheaper than ireland but your travel beams are taking you to ireland, and ireland is one of the most expensive corners of europe, your bes... |
A smart traveler in one of the more expensive countries can travel, I think, impressively reasonably, but you just have to know how to order lower on the menu. And I really believe you don't - we don't compromise, in the way of experience, by ordering lower on the menu. You just surround yourself with local people and ... | a smart traveler in one of the more expensive, countries can, travel i think. impressively reasonably but you just have to know how to, order lower on the menu and i really, believe you. don't - we don't compromise in the way of experience by, ordering lower on the menu you just surround yourself with local people and ... | A smart traveler in one of the more. expensive countries can, travel I think impressively reasonably but you just, have to know how, to order lower on the menu And I really believe you don't - we don't compromise in the way of experience by ordering lower on the menu You just surround yourself with local people and act... | a smart traveler in one of the more expensive countries can travel, i think, impressively reasonably, but you just have to know how to order lower on the menu. and i really believe you don't - we don't compromise, in the way of experience, by ordering lower on the menu. you just surround yourself with local people and ... |
But you'd best to throw away that copy of Germany on $5 a day. | but you'd best to throw away, that copy, of germany on $5 a | But you'd best to throw away that copy of Germany on $5 a | but you'd best to throw away that copy of germany on $5 a day. |
Yeah. It's kind of tough these days. You know, the Americans have to realize that we're not as rich as we think we are. We're certainly not poor, but the days that we hop into a cab as effortlessly as the Germans are behind us. Now, we need to get used to standing in line at the bus stop with the Portuguese people. | yeah it's kind of tough these days; you know the americans have to realize that we're not as rich as we think we are we're certainly not poor. but the days that we hop into a cab as effortlessly as, the germans are behind us, now we need to get used to standing in line at the bus stop with the portuguese. | Yeah It's kind of; tough these days You know the Americans. have to realize that we're not as rich as we think we are We're certainly not poor but the days that we hop into a. cab as, effortlessly as the Germans are behind us Now we need to get used to standing in line at the bus stop with the. Portuguese | yeah. it's kind of tough these days. you know, the americans have to realize that we're not as rich as we think we are. we're certainly not poor, but the days that we hop into a cab as effortlessly as the germans are behind us. now, we need to get used to standing in line at the bus stop with the portuguese people. |
You know, we can still have a lot of fun. Twelve million Americans go to Europe every year. I'm heading off next Sunday. I'll be over there for two months and checking all the information in my guide books and, you know, we just need to know how to order smartly. | you know we can still have a lot of fun. twelve, million americans go to europe every year i'm heading off next sunday i'll be, over there for two months and checking all the information in my guide books and you, know. we just need to know how to order, | You. know we can still have a lot of fun Twelve million Americans go to Europe every year I'm heading off next Sunday I'll be over there for two months and checking all the. information. in my guide books and, you know we just need to know how to order | you know, we can still have a lot of fun. twelve million americans go to europe every year. i'm heading off next sunday. i'll be over there for two months and checking all the information in my guide books and, you know, we just need to know how to order smartly. |
You know, you can take a shuttle in from any airport in Europe for $15 today. That's not going to break the bank. You just don't want to pay $100 for the taxi ride. You can go to a - instead of a three-star hotel for $300, you go to a one-star hotel for $150 for a double, including breakfast. | you know you can take. a shuttle in from any airport in europe for $15 today that's. not going, to break the bank you just, don't want to pay $100 for the taxi ride you can go to a - instead of a three-star hotel for $300, you go to. a one-star hotel for $150 for. a double including, | You know you can take a shuttle in from any airport in Europe for $15 today That's not going. to break the. bank You just don't want to pay $100 for the taxi. ride You can go to a - instead of a three-star hotel; for $300, you go to a one-star hotel for. $150 for a double. including | you know, you can take a shuttle in from any airport in europe for $15 today. that's not going to break the bank. you just don't want to pay $100 for the taxi ride. you can go to a - instead of a three-star hotel for $300, you go to a one-star hotel for $150 for a double, including breakfast. |
Now, you know, in a lot of ways, I think Europe is less expensive than traveling in the United States, even considering our bad dollar. But, again, this is the same thing I've been preaching for 30 years: You got to travel like a temporary European. You got to know the alternatives. Every country has bed and breakfast ... | now you know in a lot of ways i think. europe is less expensive than traveling. in the united states even considering our bad dollar but again this is the same thing i've been preaching for 30 years: you got to travel like a temporary. european you got to know the alternatives every country has bed and breakfast offeri... | Now you know in a lot, of ways. I think Europe is less expensive than traveling in the United States even considering. our bad, dollar But, again this is the same thing I've been preaching for 30 years: You got to travel like a temporary European You got to know the alternatives Every country has, bed and. breakfast of... | now, you know, in a lot of ways, i think europe is less expensive than traveling in the united states, even considering our bad dollar. but, again, this is the same thing i've been preaching for 30 years: you got to travel like a temporary european. you got to know the alternatives. every country has bed and breakfast ... |
So there's beautiful opportunities for us to travel closer to the ground experience more and spend less, but you got to expect yourself to travel smart. | so there's beautiful opportunities. for us to travel closer to the ground experience more and spend less but you, got. to expect yourself to travel | So there's beautiful opportunities for us to travel closer to the ground, experience more and spend less but you got to expect yourself to travel | so there's beautiful opportunities for us to travel closer to the ground experience more and spend less, but you got to expect yourself to travel smart. |
Yes, I know. | yes i | Yes I | yes, i know. |
Yeah. I've spent a third of my adult life, literally, in one-star hotels in Europe, and I've never picked up a fungus. I made a lot of friends. Sorry to be so graphic but I'm just telling you, Americans got to learn to just order lower on the menu. They're good enough for Greeks and Irish and Danes and German students ... | yeah i've spent a third of my adult life literally in one-star hotels in europe and i've never picked up a fungus i made a lot of friends sorry to be. so graphic but i'm just telling you americans got to learn to just order lower on the menu, they're. good enough for greeks and irish and danes and german students, and ... | Yeah I've spent a third of my adult life; literally in one-star hotels in Europe and I've never picked up a fungus I made a lot of friends Sorry. to, be so graphic but I'm just telling, you Americans got to learn to just order lower on the menu They're good enough for, Greeks and Irish and Danes and German students and... | yeah. i've spent a third of my adult life, literally, in one-star hotels in europe, and i've never picked up a fungus. i made a lot of friends. sorry to be so graphic but i'm just telling you, americans got to learn to just order lower on the menu. they're good enough for greeks and irish and danes and german students ... |
I've just been trying to answer this question for a lot of our travelers by putting a chart together. I'm just looking at it right now. We'll have it on our blog, I think, on your blog there afterwards. | i've just been trying to answer; this question for a lot of our; travelers by putting a chart together i'm just looking at it right, now we'll have it on our blog i think on your blog there | I've just been trying to. answer this question for a lot of our, travelers by putting a, chart together I'm just looking at. it right now We'll have, it on our blog I think on your blog there | i've just been trying to answer this question for a lot of our travelers by putting a chart together. i'm just looking at it right now. we'll have it on our blog, i think, on your blog there afterwards. |
Oh, that's great. | oh, that's | Oh that's | oh, that's great. |
Yeah, but, I mean, I'm looking at the cost - relative cost of one-star hotel with breakfast anywhere in Europe, and it ranges from $80 in Madrid and Lisbon for the double, to $130 in Rome and Paris and London. A nicer hotel - in a two-star hotel would range from a 120 to $200. And what I consider a splurge would be in ... | yeah but i mean i'm looking at the; cost - relative cost of. one-star hotel with breakfast anywhere in europe and it ranges from, $80 in. madrid and lisbon for the double to $130 in rome and paris and london, a nicer hotel - in a two-star hotel would range from a 120 to $200. and what, i consider a splurge would be in ... | Yeah but I mean I'm looking at the cost - relative cost of one-star hotel with breakfast anywhere in. Europe and it ranges from $80 in Madrid and Lisbon for the double to $130 in Rome. and Paris. and London A nicer hotel - in a two-star hotel would range from a 120 to $200. And what, I. consider a splurge would be in t... | yeah, but, i mean, i'm looking at the cost - relative cost of one-star hotel with breakfast anywhere in europe, and it ranges from $80 in madrid and lisbon for the double, to $130 in rome and paris and london. a nicer hotel - in a two-star hotel would range from a 120 to $200. and what i consider a splurge would be in ... |
But, you know, you get - if you're going to go for the high-rise, American-style hotel that you'd expect to find in Orlando, you're going to - and if you're not a savvy consumer, you're going to pay a fortune and you're going to, ironically, isolate yourself from what you traveled to see. | but. you; know you get - if you're going to go for the high-rise american-style, hotel, that you'd expect to find. in orlando. you're going to - and if you're not a savvy consumer, you're going to pay a fortune and you're going, to ironically isolate yourself from what you traveled to | But you know you get - if you're going to, go for the, high-rise American-style hotel that you'd expect to find in Orlando you're, going, to - and if you're not a savvy consumer you're going, to pay. a fortune and you're going to ironically isolate yourself from what you traveled to | but, you know, you get - if you're going to go for the high-rise, american-style hotel that you'd expect to find in orlando, you're going to - and if you're not a savvy consumer, you're going to pay a fortune and you're going to, ironically, isolate yourself from what you traveled to see. |
Again, I'm going to - I'm going to Lisbon next Sunday, and I'm going to spend a $100 a night for my hotel room. And it's going to be right in the midst of one of my favorite cities in Europe. And, again, it's - we got to be on the ball, but we got to realize that the experience has very little to do with how much you'r... | again i'm, going, to - i'm going to lisbon next sunday and; i'm going to spend a. $100 a, night for my hotel room and it's going to be right in the midst of, one of my favorite cities in europe and again it's - we got to be, on the ball but we got to realize that the experience has very little to do with how, much you'... | Again I'm going to - I'm going to Lisbon next Sunday and I'm going to spend a $100 a night for my hotel. room And it's, going to be right in the. midst of one of my favorite cities in Europe. And again, it's - we got to be on the ball but we got to realize that the experience has very little to do. with how much you're... | again, i'm going to - i'm going to lisbon next sunday, and i'm going to spend a $100 a night for my hotel room. and it's going to be right in the midst of one of my favorite cities in europe. and, again, it's - we got to be on the ball, but we got to realize that the experience has very little to do with how much you'r... |
Well, if somebody is spending $10 for a cup of coffee, they're renting real estate, and they better sit there for a couple of hours and watch the view. | well if somebody is spending $10 for a cup of coffee, they're, renting real estate and they better sit there for a. couple of hours and watch the | Well if. somebody is spending $10 for a; cup of coffee they're renting real estate and, they better sit. there for a couple of hours and watch the | well, if somebody is spending $10 for a cup of coffee, they're renting real estate, and they better sit there for a couple of hours and watch the view. |
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I was just in Rome a week ago with my son who's studying there. And in the tourist area, I was spending $2 for a cup coffee. And when I went out where my son was staying, where the tourists don't go, it cost $1 for a cup of coffee. That's with today's exchange rate. | i was just in, rome a week. ago with my son who's studying there and in the tourist, area i was spending $2 for a cup coffee and when i went out where my. son was staying where the tourists don't go it cost $1 for a cup of coffee that's with today's exchange | I was just in Rome a week; ago with my son who's, studying there And in the tourist area I, was spending $2 for a cup coffee And when I, went out where my son was staying where the, tourists don't go it cost $1 for a cup of coffee. That's with today's exchange | i was just in rome a week ago with my son who's studying there. and in the tourist area, i was spending $2 for a cup coffee. and when i went out where my son was staying, where the tourists don't go, it cost $1 for a cup of coffee. that's with today's exchange rate. |
So, you know, it's fun news here in the media to talk about the scary stories, but the reality is there are suckers spending $10 for a cup of coffee or wealthy people that want to enjoy the view or actually, I think, $10 per cup of coffee on St. Mark's Square in Venice is a good deal. But if you just want just a nice e... | so you know it's fun news here in the media. to talk about the scary stories but the reality is there are suckers spending $10 for a cup of coffee or wealthy people that. want to enjoy the view or. actually i think $10 per cup of coffee on st mark's square in, venice is a; good deal but if you. just want just a nice es... | So. you know, it's fun news here in the media to talk about the scary stories but the reality; is there are suckers spending $10 for, a cup, of coffee or wealthy people that. want. to enjoy the view, or actually I think $10 per cup of coffee on St Mark's. Square in Venice is a good deal But if you just want just a nice... | so, you know, it's fun news here in the media to talk about the scary stories, but the reality is there are suckers spending $10 for a cup of coffee or wealthy people that want to enjoy the view or actually, i think, $10 per cup of coffee on st. mark's square in venice is a good deal. but if you just want just a nice e... |
I was about to feel really bad until I realized they did have that $10 cup of coffee on St. Mark's Square in Venice. | i was about to feel really bad until i realized they did have that $10 cup of coffee. on st. mark's square in, | I was about to feel really bad until I realized, they did have that $10 cup of coffee on St, Mark's Square in | i was about to feel really bad until i realized they did have that $10 cup of coffee on st. mark's square in venice. |
Is that right? Yeah, but, you see, you're probably paying for the orchestra too and… | is, that right? yeah but you see you're probably paying for the, orchestra too | Is, that right? Yeah but. you see you're probably paying for the orchestra too | is that right? yeah, but, you see, you're probably paying for the orchestra too and… |
Oh, yeah, the orchestra. Well, the other thing is a lot of people get the bill at a place like that in Venice and say, oh, well, I got to add 20 percent. | oh yeah the, orchestra well the other, thing is a lot, of people get the bill at a place like that in venice and, say oh well i got to add | Oh yeah the orchestra Well the other thing is a lot of people get the bill at, a place like that. in Venice and say oh well I got to add | oh, yeah, the orchestra. well, the other thing is a lot of people get the bill at a place like that in venice and say, oh, well, i got to add 20 percent. |
Yeah, and that's another point. I've just written an article called "Take Back 20," talking about 20 ways Americans can take back the 20 percent that our dollar has lost in the last year on the European euro. And one of the things is: Don't over tip. American's think we should tip, but in Europe it's a different standa... | yeah and that's another point i've. just written an article called "take back 20," talking about 20 ways americans can, take back the 20 percent that our dollar has lost in the last year on. the european euro and one of the things is: don't over tip american's think we should tip but in europe it's a different standard... | Yeah and that's another point I've just written an article called "Take Back 20," talking about 20 ways Americans can take back the 20 percent that our dollar has lost in. the last year, on the European euro And one of the things is: Don't over tip American's think we should tip but in Europe it's. a different standard... | yeah, and that's another point. i've just written an article called "take back 20," talking about 20 ways americans can take back the 20 percent that our dollar has lost in the last year on the european euro. and one of the things is: don't over tip. american's think we should tip, but in europe it's a different standa... |
You want to tip appropriate or when appropriate, but generally in Europe, it is included. | you want. to tip appropriate or, when appropriate but generally, in europe it is | You, want to tip appropriate or when appropriate but generally in Europe it is | you want to tip appropriate or when appropriate, but generally in europe, it is included. |
Let's get some listeners in on the conversation. Our guest, of course, is Rick Steves. You see him on public television, listen to him on public radio. Here's your chance to ask him a question about how to travel cheaply in Europe. 800-989-8255. E-mail us: talk@npr.org. | let's get some listeners; in on the conversation our guest of course is rick steves you see him. on public television listen to him on public radio here's your chance to. ask him a, question about how to travel cheaply in europe 800-989-8255. e-mail; | Let's get some listeners in on the conversation Our guest; of course is Rick Steves You see him on public television listen, to him on public radio Here's your chance to ask him. a question about how to travel cheaply in Europe 800-989-8255. E-mail. | let's get some listeners in on the conversation. our guest, of course, is rick steves. you see him on public television, listen to him on public radio. here's your chance to ask him a question about how to travel cheaply in europe. 800-989-8255. e-mail us: talk@npr.org. |
Let's begin with Cris(ph). Cris, calling from Roanoke in Virginia. | let's begin with cris(ph). cris calling from roanoke in | Let's begin with Cris(ph). Cris calling from Roanoke in | let's begin with cris(ph). cris, calling from roanoke in virginia. |
Hi. | hi. | ||
Hi, there. | hi | Hi | hi, there. |
Well, thank you for having me on the show. I kind of wish you had this a few months ago. My husband and I actually just came back from London and Paris. | well thank you for, having me on the show i. kind of wish you had this a few months ago my husband and i actually just came back from london and | Well thank you for having me, on the. show I kind of wish you had this a few months ago My husband, and I actually just came back from London and | well, thank you for having me on the show. i kind of wish you had this a few months ago. my husband and i actually just came back from london and paris. |
And did it break the bank? | and did. it break the | And did it break the | and did it break the bank? |
No, not really. | no not | No not | no, not really. |
Huh, what did you do? | huh what did you | Huh what did you | huh, what did you do? |
My husband - we thought it would. We actually have the Rick Steves' guides for both London and Paris. And we used those, and (unintelligible). But what we did for London - but went whole to a lot of the free museums. | my husband - we thought. it would we actually have the rick steves' guides for both london and paris and we. used those and (unintelligible). but, what we did for. london - but went whole to a lot of the free | My husband - we thought it would We actually have the Rick Steves' guides for both London and Paris And we used those and (unintelligible). But what we did for London - but went whole to a, lot of the free | my husband - we thought it would. we actually have the rick steves' guides for both london and paris. and we used those, and (unintelligible). but what we did for london - but went whole to a lot of the free museums. |
And there are a lot of free museums in London. | and there are a lot of free museums in | And there are a lot of free museums in | and there are a lot of free museums in london. |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. | ||
Which was your favorite? | which was your | Which was your | which was your favorite? |
Oh, probably the British Library. | oh probably the british | Oh probably the British | oh, probably the british library. |
Hmm. You don't think… | hmm you don't | Hmm You don't. | hmm. you don't think… |
You know… | you | You | you know… |
You don't think of that that as a museum, but it's a great place to hang around for a day or two, Rick? | you don't think of that that as a museum but, it's. a great place to hang around for a day or two | You don't think of that that as. a museum but it's, a great place, to hang around for a day or two | you don't think of that that as a museum, but it's a great place to hang around for a day or two, rick? |
Neal, I was just - I was thinking Cris was saying London didn't break the bank and I thought, well, Cris is probably enjoying the cultural attractions in London. London is expensive from a hotel and eating point of view, but you can picnic for the cost of groceries anywhere in the world, obviously, and then you get out... | neal i was just - i was thinking cris was saying london. didn't break; the, bank and i thought well cris is; probably enjoying the cultural attractions in london london is expensive from a hotel and eating point of view but you can picnic for, the cost of groceries; anywhere in the world obviously and then you get out ... | Neal I was just - I was thinking Cris was; saying London didn't break the, bank and I thought well Cris is probably enjoying the cultural attractions in London London is expensive, from a, hotel and eating point of view but you can. picnic for the cost of groceries anywhere in the; world obviously; and, then you get ou... | neal, i was just - i was thinking cris was saying london didn't break the bank and i thought, well, cris is probably enjoying the cultural attractions in london. london is expensive from a hotel and eating point of view, but you can picnic for the cost of groceries anywhere in the world, obviously, and then you get out... |
I wonder if you, as a parent, would want to know? | i, wonder, if you, as a parent would want to | I wonder if you as a parent would want to | i wonder if you, as a parent, would want to know? |
Rami Khouri, after the conflict ended, there were all kinds of pledges of support from many nations around the world, particularly in the Middle East, for reconstruction aid for Lebanon. Hezbollah wanted to do a lot of the reconstruction itself. The United States was providing funds. How has that gone? | rami khouri after the conflict ended there, were all kinds of pledges of support from many nations around, the world. particularly in the middle east for reconstruction aid for, lebanon, hezbollah wanted to do a lot of the reconstruction itself the united states was providing. funds how has that | Rami Khouri after the conflict. ended there were all kinds of pledges of support from many nations around, the world particularly in the Middle East for reconstruction aid, for Lebanon Hezbollah wanted to do a, lot of the reconstruction itself The United States. was, providing funds How, has that | rami khouri, after the conflict ended, there were all kinds of pledges of support from many nations around the world, particularly in the middle east, for reconstruction aid for lebanon. hezbollah wanted to do a lot of the reconstruction itself. the united states was providing funds. how has that gone? |
National Gallery, free; Changing of the Guard every day at 11:30, free; lunch at St. Martins in the Fields, 1:00, free; British Museum, free; British Library, free; Evensong at St. Paul's Cathedral, normally $15 to get in, but free for the Evensong service daily at 5 o'clock; and then you go to a carnival-like scene in... | national gallery free changing of the guard, every day at 11:30, free lunch at st martins. in, the fields 1:00, free british museum free, british library free evensong at st paul's cathedral. normally $15 to get in but free for the evensong service daily at 5 o'clock and then you go to a carnival-like scene. in covent ... | National Gallery free Changing of the Guard every. day at 11:30, free lunch at. St Martins in the Fields 1:00, free British Museum free, British Library free Evensong at St Paul's Cathedral normally $15 to, get, in but free for the Evensong service daily. at 5 o'clock and then you go to a carnival-like scene in Covent ... | national gallery, free; changing of the guard every day at 11:30, free; lunch at st. martins in the fields, 1:00, free; british museum, free; british library, free; evensong at st. paul's cathedral, normally $15 to get in, but free for the evensong service daily at 5 o'clock; and then you go to a carnival-like scene in... |
So those are budget ways to do the most expensive city in Europe. So you have that $300 hotel, but if you don't mind using the tube, equipping yourself with good information and expecting yourself to travel smart like Cris did, the rest of it can be an incredibly good value, and talk about experience. | so those are budget ways. to do the most expensive city in europe so you have, that $300 hotel but if you don't mind using the tube equipping yourself with good information and expecting yourself to travel smart like cris did the rest of; it can be an incredibly good value and talk about | So those, are budget ways to do the most expensive city in Europe So you have that $300 hotel but if you don't mind using the tube equipping yourself with good information and expecting yourself to travel, smart like Cris did the. rest of it can be an incredibly good value and, talk about | so those are budget ways to do the most expensive city in europe. so you have that $300 hotel, but if you don't mind using the tube, equipping yourself with good information and expecting yourself to travel smart like cris did, the rest of it can be an incredibly good value, and talk about experience. |
Oh, yeah. We got the seven-day tube pass. The only time… | oh yeah we got the seven-day tube pass the only | Oh yeah We got the seven-day tube pass The only | oh, yeah. we got the seven-day tube pass. the only time… |
That's critical. | that's | That's | that's critical. |
…we ate out - huh? | …we ate out | …we ate out | …we ate out - huh? |
That's critical, yeah, with the tube pass. | that's critical yeah with the tube | That's critical, yeah with the tube | that's critical, yeah, with the tube pass. |
Yeah. And the only times we ate out were, really, lunch. And… | yeah and. the only times we ate out were really lunch | Yeah And the only times we ate out were really lunch | yeah. and the only times we ate out were, really, lunch. and… |
And then you can go to the pubs and eat for $12 a good hot meal. The pub food is not as embarrassingly, you know, mushy piece as it used to be. They've got crisp vegetables and take pride in their food, but you're eating in pub instead of a fancy restaurant. | and then you can go to, the pubs and eat for $12 a good hot meal the pub food, is not as embarrassingly you know mushy piece as it used to, be, they've got, crisp vegetables and take pride in their food but you're. eating in. pub instead of a fancy | And then you can go to the pubs and eat for $12 a good hot meal The pub food is. not as embarrassingly you know mushy. piece as it used to be They've got crisp vegetables and take pride in their food but you're eating in pub instead of a fancy | and then you can go to the pubs and eat for $12 a good hot meal. the pub food is not as embarrassingly, you know, mushy piece as it used to be. they've got crisp vegetables and take pride in their food, but you're eating in pub instead of a fancy restaurant. |
I do want to remind you that Europe is really getting automated, and tourists are attacked from a price point of view because we don't know - we're kind of clueless and not very savvy. But if you take the passes, like Cris got, you will save a lot money and you want to just, kind of, prepare yourself to got like the lo... | i do want to remind you that europe is really getting automated and tourists are attacked from a price point of view because we don't know, - we're kind of clueless and not very savvy but if you take the passes like cris got you. will save a lot money, and, you, want to just kind of. prepare yourself to got like the lo... | I do want to, remind you that Europe is really getting automated and tourists are attacked, from a price point of view because we don't know. - we're kind of clueless, and not very savvy But if you take the passes like Cris got you will save, a lot money and. you; want to just kind of, prepare yourself to got. like the... | i do want to remind you that europe is really getting automated, and tourists are attacked from a price point of view because we don't know - we're kind of clueless and not very savvy. but if you take the passes, like cris got, you will save a lot money and you want to just, kind of, prepare yourself to got like the lo... |
Mm-hmm. We also went to the grocery store on the way back from the tube when we were headed back to our hotel. And we would get enough food for the evening for 7 pounds. | mm-hmm we also went to the grocery store on the way back from, the tube. when we were headed back to our hotel and we would get enough food for the evening for | Mm-hmm We also went to the grocery, store on the way back from the tube when we were headed, back to our hotel. And we would get enough food, for the evening for | mm-hmm. we also went to the grocery store on the way back from the tube when we were headed back to our hotel. and we would get enough food for the evening for 7 pounds. |
Hmm. That's not so bad - about $14 or so. Cris, thanks… | hmm that's not so bad - about $14 or so cris | Hmm That's not so bad - about $14 or so Cris | hmm. that's not so bad - about $14 or so. cris, thanks… |
But, of course, you're going to the grocery store and picnicking, but you got to turn that into a plus by choosing an atmospheric place to enjoy your picnic in front of… | but, of course. you're going to the grocery store and picnicking but; you got to turn that into a plus by; choosing an atmospheric place to enjoy your picnic in front | But of course you're going to the grocery store and picnicking but you, got to turn that into a plus by choosing, an. atmospheric place to enjoy. your picnic in front, | but, of course, you're going to the grocery store and picnicking, but you got to turn that into a plus by choosing an atmospheric place to enjoy your picnic in front of… |
Oh, yeah. | oh | Oh | oh, yeah. |
…(unintelligible) Cathedral and enjoy good local food. I mean, see this is the new way that Americans need to travel, like people who have been relatively less wealthy have always traveled. You know, we're just not on the top anymore because of our - the way we're running our economy. So the reality is we got less buyi... | …(unintelligible) cathedral; and enjoy good local food i mean see this is; the new way that americans, need to travel like, people who have been relatively less wealthy have always traveled you, know, we're just not on the top anymore because of our - the way, we're running our economy so the reality is we got less buy... | …(unintelligible) Cathedral and enjoy good local food I mean see this is the new way that Americans need, to travel like; people, who. have been relatively less. wealthy have always traveled You know we're just not on the top anymore because of our - the way. we're running our economy So the reality is we got less buyi... | …(unintelligible) cathedral and enjoy good local food. i mean, see this is the new way that americans need to travel, like people who have been relatively less wealthy have always traveled. you know, we're just not on the top anymore because of our - the way we're running our economy. so the reality is we got less buyi... |
Exactly. | exactly. | ||
Cris, thanks very much for the call. | cris thanks very, much for the, | Cris thanks very much for the | cris, thanks very much for the call. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
Glad you enjoyed your vacation. | glad you enjoyed your | Glad you enjoyed your | glad you enjoyed your vacation. |
We did. | we | We | we did. |
And here's an e-mail from Liz(ph), writing about the Island of Elba -mostly associated with Napoleon, I suppose. But she writes: Interested in planning a holiday on 2009 to celebrate my dad's 70th birthday. His grandparents came from there in 1912. A group of 10 or so family members will probably go. What would you rec... | and. here's an e-mail from liz(ph), writing about the island of elba -mostly associated with napoleon i suppose but she writes: interested in planning. a holiday on 2009 to celebrate my dad's 70th birthday his grandparents came from there in 1912. a group of 10 or so family members, will probably, go what would you rec... | And here's an e-mail from Liz(ph), writing about the Island of Elba -mostly associated, with Napoleon I suppose But she writes: Interested in planning a holiday on 2009 to celebrate. my dad's 70th birthday; His grandparents came from there, in 1912. A group of 10 or so family members will probably go. What would you re... | and here's an e-mail from liz(ph), writing about the island of elba -mostly associated with napoleon, i suppose. but she writes: interested in planning a holiday on 2009 to celebrate my dad's 70th birthday. his grandparents came from there in 1912. a group of 10 or so family members will probably go. what would you rec... |
Well, there's good ferry connections between the mainland and Elba. That's no problem. I'll remind our listeners that the Europeans love their islands. And I'd generally leave the islands for the Europeans - some of them are resorts. And you just don't want to compete with the densely populated continent of lemming sun... | well there's good ferry connections between the mainland and elba that's no problem i'll remind our listeners that; the europeans love their islands and. i'd generally leave the islands for the europeans - some of them are, resorts and you just don't want to compete with the densely populated continent of lemming sun w... | Well there's good ferry connections between the mainland and Elba That's no problem I'll remind our listeners that the Europeans love their islands And I'd generally, leave the islands for the Europeans - some, of them are resorts And you just don't want to compete with the densely populated continent of. lemming sun w... | well, there's good ferry connections between the mainland and elba. that's no problem. i'll remind our listeners that the europeans love their islands. and i'd generally leave the islands for the europeans - some of them are resorts. and you just don't want to compete with the densely populated continent of lemming sun... |
But in the case of Liz she's got relatives. Her family heritage and so on, so Elba would make sense. My son is with a group right now, a group of his fellow students. They took a break from their studying in Rome and went down to Sicily. And Andy(ph) knew the smartness of renting an apartment. So he had eight or 10 of ... | but in, the case of liz she's got relatives, her family heritage and so on so elba would make sense my son is with a; group. right now a group of his fellow, students they took, a break from their studying in rome and went down to. sicily, and andy(ph) knew the smartness of, renting an apartment so he had; eight or 10 ... | But. in the case of Liz she's got relatives Her family heritage and. so on so Elba would, make, sense My son is with a group right now a group of his fellow. students They took. a break from their studying in Rome and went down to Sicily And Andy(ph) knew the smartness of renting an apartment So he. had eight or 10 of ... | but in the case of liz she's got relatives. her family heritage and so on, so elba would make sense. my son is with a group right now, a group of his fellow students. they took a break from their studying in rome and went down to sicily. and andy(ph) knew the smartness of renting an apartment. so he had eight or 10 of ... |
So, if you can stay put and if you have a group in, you can consume smartly there and enjoy sort of the economy of scale. And I find all over Europe with -given the high cost of hotels, there are more alternatives like apartments that people are taking advantage of. | so if you can stay. put and if you have a group, in you can consume smartly there and, enjoy sort of the economy of scale and i find; all over europe with -given the high, cost, of hotels there are more alternatives like apartments that people are taking advantage | So if you can stay, put and, if you, have, a group; in you can consume smartly there and, enjoy sort of the, economy of scale And I find, all, over Europe with -given the, high cost of hotels, there are. more alternatives like apartments that people are taking advantage | so, if you can stay put and if you have a group in, you can consume smartly there and enjoy sort of the economy of scale. and i find all over europe with -given the high cost of hotels, there are more alternatives like apartments that people are taking advantage of. |
Let's talk with Peter(ph). Peter, with us from Wichita in Kansas. | let's talk with peter(ph). peter with us from wichita in | Let's talk with. Peter(ph). Peter with us from. Wichita in, | let's talk with peter(ph). peter, with us from wichita in kansas. |
Hi. | hi. | ||
Go ahead, Peter. | go ahead | Go, ahead | go ahead, peter. |
Oh, my wife and I are planning a trip to Spain, to Barcelona specifically, in May. Do you have any recommendations? We're on about a $5,000-budget? | oh my wife and i are planning a trip to spain. to barcelona specifically in may do you, have, any recommendations? we're on about. a | Oh my, wife and I are planning, a trip to Spain to Barcelona specifically in, May Do you have any recommendations? We're; on about a | oh, my wife and i are planning a trip to spain, to barcelona specifically, in may. do you have any recommendations? we're on about a $5,000-budget? |
Does that include… | does that | Does that | does that include… |
That includes airfare. | that includes | That includes | that includes airfare. |
I was going to say. Go ahead. | i. was going to say go | I was going to say Go | i was going to say. go ahead. |
Well, I would say what - you know, that's the question. What does it cost to travel in Europe? I would say if you have a - if there's two adults traveling together and you have $150 a day per person for room and board, you got it made. That's very reasonable. That's very realistic anywhere in Europe, $300 per day, per ... | well i would say what - you know that's the, question what does it cost, to travel in europe? i would say if. you have a - if, there's two adults. traveling. together and you have, $150 a day per person for room and board you got it made that's very reasonable that's, very realistic anywhere in europe, $300 per day per... | Well I would say what - you know, that's the question What does it cost, to, travel, in Europe? I would, say if. you have a, - if there's two adults traveling. together and you, have $150 a, day per person for room. and board you got it made, That's very reasonable That's very realistic anywhere in Europe. $300 per day... | well, i would say what - you know, that's the question. what does it cost to travel in europe? i would say if you have a - if there's two adults traveling together and you have $150 a day per person for room and board, you got it made. that's very reasonable. that's very realistic anywhere in europe, $300 per day, per ... |
The kids are wiggling. Everyone is smiling. The judge nods. | the kids are wiggling. everyone is smiling the judge | The kids are wiggling Everyone is; smiling The judge | the kids are wiggling. everyone is smiling. the judge nods. |
Barcelona is an expensive place from an accommodation's point of view. It's a wonderful place from an eating point of view and from a sightseeing point of view. Barcelona is one of the cities to me that has a little less - a little more demand for hotels, and they got rooms. So you want to make a reservation well in ad... | barcelona is an expensive place from an accommodation's; point of view it's a wonderful place from an eating point. of. view and from a sightseeing point of view barcelona is one of the cities, to. me that has a little less - a little more demand for hotels and they got rooms so you want to make a reservation well in a... | Barcelona is an expensive place from an accommodation's point of view It's a wonderful place from an, eating point of view. and from, a sightseeing, point of view Barcelona is, one of the cities to me that has a little less - a little more demand for hotels and they got rooms So you want to make a reservation, well in ... | barcelona is an expensive place from an accommodation's point of view. it's a wonderful place from an eating point of view and from a sightseeing point of view. barcelona is one of the cities to me that has a little less - a little more demand for hotels, and they got rooms. so you want to make a reservation well in ad... |
But I just think that if you figure $150 a day, when two people to come together, one person - it's more expensive, because a single room cost almost as much as a double room. So, two people - the more people you pack in the room, obviously the cheaper it gets. Let me quickly review these comparative prices for you. Do... | but i just think that if you, figure, $150 a day when; two. people to come together one person - it's more expensive because a single room, cost almost as much as a double room so two, people - the, more people you; pack in the room obviously the cheaper it gets let me quickly review these comparative prices for, you. ... | But I. just think. that if you figure $150 a day when two people to come together one person - it's more expensive because a single room cost almost as much as a double room So two people, - the more people you pack in the room obviously the; cheaper it gets Let me quickly review these comparative prices for you Double... | but i just think that if you figure $150 a day, when two people to come together, one person - it's more expensive, because a single room cost almost as much as a double room. so, two people - the more people you pack in the room, obviously the cheaper it gets. let me quickly review these comparative prices for you. do... |
If you look at the cheapest bunks, if you're hosteling - and there's $2,000 hostels around Europe. They took youth out of the old system. If you're over 55, you get a discount and a membership card. Bunks and youth hostels range from 20 to $40 a night. | if you look, at the cheapest bunks if you're hosteling - and there's $2,000 hostels around europe they took youth out of the, old, system if you're over 55, you get a discount and a membership card, bunks and youth hostels range from; 20 to $40 a | If you look at the cheapest bunks if you're hosteling - and there's. $2,000 hostels around Europe They. took, youth out of the, old system If, you're over 55, you, get a discount and a membership card Bunks and youth hostels range from 20 to $40 a | if you look at the cheapest bunks, if you're hosteling - and there's $2,000 hostels around europe. they took youth out of the old system. if you're over 55, you get a discount and a membership card. bunks and youth hostels range from 20 to $40 a night. |
A great thing about that, especially if your younger, hostel there's - you have a kitchen there and you got friends from around the world to plan tomorrow's adventures with. The cost of a Big Mac ranges from $3 to $6 depending on the country. So, it's, you know, it's $3 in Vienna, it's $3 in Paris and Rome, it'd be $5 ... | a great, thing about that especially if your younger hostel there's - you have a kitchen, there and you, got friends from around. the. world to plan tomorrow's adventures with the cost of a big mac ranges. from $3 to $6 depending on the country so it's you know it's $3 in vienna it's $3 in paris and rome it'd. be $5 in... | A great thing about that especially if your younger hostel, there's - you; have a kitchen there and you got friends from around the world to plan tomorrow's adventures with, The. cost of a Big, Mac ranges from $3 to $6 depending on the country So. it's you know; it's $3 in Vienna it's $3 in Paris and Rome it'd be $5 in... | a great thing about that, especially if your younger, hostel there's - you have a kitchen there and you got friends from around the world to plan tomorrow's adventures with. the cost of a big mac ranges from $3 to $6 depending on the country. so, it's, you know, it's $3 in vienna, it's $3 in paris and rome, it'd be $5 ... |
A one-hour train ride out of any town in Europe ranges from, I'd say $6 to $25; $6 dollars for an hour of train ride in Eastern Europe and Greece, $25 for a train ride in Britain or Ireland. So, you can see, it ranges a lot from country to country. You'll spend 10 or $15 for major museum admissions. | a one-hour, train ride; out of any town in europe ranges from i'd say $6 to $25; $6 dollars for, an hour of. train ride in eastern europe and greece $25 for a train ride in britain or ireland so you can. see it ranges a lot from country to country you'll spend 10 or $15 for major museum | A one-hour train ride out of any town in Europe ranges from I'd say $6 to $25; $6 dollars. for. an hour. of train ride in Eastern Europe and Greece $25 for a train. ride in Britain or Ireland So you can see it ranges a lot from country to country You'll spend 10 or $15 for major museum | a one-hour train ride out of any town in europe ranges from, i'd say $6 to $25; $6 dollars for an hour of train ride in eastern europe and greece, $25 for a train ride in britain or ireland. so, you can see, it ranges a lot from country to country. you'll spend 10 or $15 for major museum admissions. |
Peter, good luck. | peter good | Peter good | peter, good luck. |
Thank you very much. | thank. you very, | Thank you very | thank you very much. |
Bye-bye. | bye-bye. | ||
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
We're talking with Rick Steves about how to travel with the dollar, where it is in Europe. You're listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. | we're talking with rick steves about how to travel with the dollar where it is in europe you're listening to talk of the nation from npr | We're talking, with Rick Steves about how to travel with the dollar where it is in Europe. You're listening to, TALK OF. THE NATION from, NPR | we're talking with rick steves about how to travel with the dollar, where it is in europe. you're listening to talk of the nation from npr news. |
And let's see if we can get Katrina(ph) on the line. Katrina's with us from Toledo, Ohio. | and let's see if. we can get katrina(ph) on the line katrina's with us from toledo; | And let's see. if we can get Katrina(ph) on the line. Katrina's, with us from Toledo | and let's see if we can get katrina(ph) on the line. katrina's with us from toledo, ohio. |
Hi, I'm Katrina. | hi i'm | Hi I'm | hi, i'm katrina. |
Go ahead. | go | Go | go ahead. |
And I was just calling as a avid traveler, and been around Europe and also a young traveler. Oh, my always biggest thing is going to places -avoiding the major cities, and then you can go to really nice places and spend a small amount of money. Like in the Eastern Europe area, Estonia and those places that are part of ... | and i; was just calling, as a avid traveler, and been. around europe. and also a young traveler oh my always biggest, thing is going to places -avoiding the major, cities and then. you can go to really nice places and spend a small amount of money like in the eastern europe area estonia and those places that are part o... | And I was just calling as a avid traveler and been around Europe and also a young traveler Oh my always biggest thing is going to places -avoiding the major, cities, and then you, can go to really nice places and spend a small amount of money Like in the Eastern Europe area Estonia and, those places, that are. part of ... | and i was just calling as a avid traveler, and been around europe and also a young traveler. oh, my always biggest thing is going to places -avoiding the major cities, and then you can go to really nice places and spend a small amount of money. like in the eastern europe area, estonia and those places that are part of ... |
They always were part of Europe. They're not part of Europe, politically… | they always were part of europe they're not part of europe | They always. were part of Europe They're not part of Europe | they always were part of europe. they're not part of europe, politically… |
They're part of the E.U. | they're part of, the | They're part of the | they're part of the e.u. |
Yes. | yes. | ||
Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania - I've been in the town in Estonia and - I mean that's like being in European city, of 700-year-old castles, cobblestone roads, you know, nice places like that, but you're spending money like us going down to Mexico or something. You know… | estonia latvia lithuania - i've been in the town in estonia and - i mean that's like being in european city of 700-year-old castles cobblestone roads you know nice places like that but you're spending money like us going down to, mexico or, something you, | Estonia Latvia Lithuania - I've been in the town in Estonia and - I mean that's, like being in European. city of 700-year-old castles cobblestone roads you. know, nice places like that but you're spending money like us going. down to Mexico or something. You | estonia, latvia, lithuania - i've been in the town in estonia and - i mean that's like being in european city, of 700-year-old castles, cobblestone roads, you know, nice places like that, but you're spending money like us going down to mexico or something. you know… |
That's a very good… | that's a very, | That's a very | that's a very good… |
…very nice though, you know, if you avoid those major cities. If you just want to go to Europe, it's a nice way to do it. | …very nice though you know if you. avoid those major cities if you just want to go to europe it's a nice way to do | …very nice though you know if you avoid those major cities If, you just want to go to Europe it's a. nice way to do. | …very nice though, you know, if you avoid those major cities. if you just want to go to europe, it's a nice way to do it. |
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