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And just to clarify, you were under the age of 18 at the time. | and just to clarify you were under the age of 18 at the | And just to clarify you were under the age of, 18 at the | and just to clarify, you were under the age of 18 at the time. |
Yes. | yes. | ||
And was there a law in the state in which you were living? | and was there a law in the state in which you were | And was there a law in the state in which you were | and was there a law in the state in which you were living? |
No. There was not a law at the time. This was some 20 years ago. | no there, was not a law at the time, this was some 20 years | No There was not a, law at. the time This was some 20 years, | no. there was not a law at the time. this was some 20 years ago. |
You know... | you | You | you know... |
There was not a law regarding parental notification at the time. Had there been, I would have done whatever it took to get around that law. | there was not a law regarding parental notification at; the time had there been i would have, done whatever it took to get around that | There was not a law regarding parental notification at the time Had there been I; would. have done whatever it took to get around that; | there was not a law regarding parental notification at the time. had there been, i would have done whatever it took to get around that law. |
Go ahead, Sarah. I'm sorry. | go ahead sarah. i'm | Go ahead Sarah I'm | go ahead, sarah. i'm sorry. |
Well, that's what a lot of young people will say, even if there is a law in place. They say, `I have to find some way through this without facing this terror.' And, you know, this caller is quite right. These conversations--you know, the moment where you have to reveal that you're pregnant and the... | well that's what a lot of young people will say even; if there is a law in place they say `i have; to. find some way through this without facing this terror' and you know this caller is quite right, these conversations--you know the moment where you have to reveal that you're; pregnant and then th... | Well that's, what a lot of young people will say even if there, is a law in place, They say `I have to find some way through this without facing this terror' And you know this caller, is quite right These conversations--you, know the moment where you have, to reveal that you're pregnant and then. ... | well, that's what a lot of young people will say, even if there is a law in place. they say, `i have to find some way through this without facing this terror.' and, you know, this caller is quite right. these conversations--you know, the moment where you have to reveal that you're pregnant and the... |
I... | i... | ||
One of the things I'm hoping to convey is that in some cases--and I would put my parents in this case--they're lovely, amazing people, and there is absolutely no resolution that we could have come to in our family that would have resulted in joy around this decision. I've seen them react to similar... | one of the things i'm. hoping to convey is that in some cases--and i would put my parents in this. case--they're lovely amazing people and there is absolutely, no resolution that we could; have come to in our family that would have resulted in joy, around this decision i've seen them react to simil... | One of the things, I'm hoping to convey is that in some cases--and I would put my parents in this case--they're lovely amazing people and, there is absolutely no. resolution that we, could have come to in our family that would have resulted in joy around this decision I've seen them react to simila... | one of the things i'm hoping to convey is that in some cases--and i would put my parents in this case--they're lovely, amazing people, and there is absolutely no resolution that we could have come to in our family that would have resulted in joy around this decision. i've seen them react to similar... |
I think... | i | I | i think... |
My relationship with them, I think, has been preserved in part because they were not part of this decision. It was none of their business and it will never be any of their business. | my relationship with, them i think has. been preserved in part because they were not part of this decision it was none. of their business and it will never be any of their | My relationship with them I think has been preserved in part because they were not. part of, this decision, It was none of their business and. it will never be any of their | my relationship with them, i think, has been preserved in part because they were not part of this decision. it was none of their business and it will never be any of their business. |
You know, there's another perspective on this, too. Sometimes parents surprise their children. You know, they have feelings about an issue, not just about abortion, but, you know, the big issues of the day. They feel strongly about it. They announce at the dinner table how they feel about it over... | you know there's another perspective on this too sometimes parents surprise their children you know they have feelings about an issue not just about abortion but you know, the big issues of the day they feel strongly about it they announce at the dinner table how they feel about, it over many yea... | You know there's another perspective, on this too Sometimes parents surprise their children You know, they have, feelings about. an issue not just about abortion but you know the big issues of the day They feel strongly about it They announce at. the dinner table how they feel about it over many.... | you know, there's another perspective on this, too. sometimes parents surprise their children. you know, they have feelings about an issue, not just about abortion, but, you know, the big issues of the day. they feel strongly about it. they announce at the dinner table how they feel about it over... |
Well... | well... | ||
...a number of parents do try and come around. I'm not saying that's true in your instance. Don't misunderstand me. I just... | ...a number of parents do try and come around i'm not saying that's true in your instance don't, misunderstand me i | ...a number of parents do try and, come around I'm not saying that's true in your instance Don't misunderstand me I. | ...a number of parents do try and come around. i'm not saying that's true in your instance. don't misunderstand me. i just... |
No. And I did not anticipate being thrown out of the house. | no and i did not, anticipate being thrown out of the, | No And I did not anticipate being; thrown out of the | no. and i did not anticipate being thrown out of the house. |
Well--and that's one of the reasons that young people in crisis will often turn, at least initially, to someone other than their parent. I mean, the parent-child relationship is so intense and so loaded and has so many levels, that sometimes an aunt, a relative, a teacher or so forth is a safer pla... | well--and that's one of the reasons that young people in crisis will often turn, at. least. initially. to someone, other than their parent i mean the parent-child relationship is so intense and, so loaded and has so many levels that sometimes an aunt. a. relative a teacher. or so forth is a safer p... | Well--and that's one of the reasons that young people in crisis will often turn at least initially to someone; other than their parent I mean the parent-child relationship is so intense and so loaded and has so many levels that sometimes an aunt a relative a teacher or so. forth is a safer, place, ... | well--and that's one of the reasons that young people in crisis will often turn, at least initially, to someone other than their parent. i mean, the parent-child relationship is so intense and so loaded and has so many levels, that sometimes an aunt, a relative, a teacher or so forth is a safer pla... |
Terry, thank you very much for the call. We appreciate it. | terry thank you very much for the call we appreciate | Terry thank you very much for the call We appreciate | terry, thank you very much for the call. we appreciate it. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
Joining us now is Kay Hymowitz. She's a senior fellow at The Manhattan Institute, author of "Liberations: Children, Parents and Kids In a Postmodern Age." And she's with us from her home in Brooklyn, New York. Kay Mymowitz, nice to have you back on the program as well. | joining us now is kay hymowitz, she's a senior fellow at the manhattan institute author of "liberations: children parents and kids in a postmodern age" and; she's with, us from her home in brooklyn new york kay mymowitz nice, to have you back on the program as | Joining us now is Kay Hymowitz She's a senior fellow. at The Manhattan Institute author of "Liberations: Children Parents and Kids In. a Postmodern, Age" And she's with us from her home in Brooklyn New. York Kay Mymowitz nice to have you back on the program as | joining us now is kay hymowitz. she's a senior fellow at the manhattan institute, author of "liberations: children, parents and kids in a postmodern age." and she's with us from her home in brooklyn, new york. kay mymowitz, nice to have you back on the program as well. |
Hi, Neal. | hi, | Hi | hi, neal. |
I wonder, what are your thoughts on the laws on parental notification and a minor's access to abortion? | i wonder what are your thoughts on the laws on parental notification. and a minor's access to | I wonder what are your thoughts on the laws on parental notification and a minor's access. to | i wonder, what are your thoughts on the laws on parental notification and a minor's access to abortion? |
Well, what troubles me about the idea of children being able to go get abortions without notifying their parents is that it's--I can think of no other area where we say to the government--or where the government says to children, `Sure, you don't want to talk to your parents about this, we will supp... | well what troubles me. about the idea of children being able to go get abortions without notifying their parents is that it's--i can think of, no other; area where we say to the government--or where the government says to children `sure you don't want to talk to your parents about this we will suppo... | Well what troubles me about the idea of children being able to; go get abortions without notifying their parents is that it's--I can think of no other area where we say, to the; government--or where the government says to children `Sure you don't want to talk to your parents about this, we will supp... | well, what troubles me about the idea of children being able to go get abortions without notifying their parents is that it's--i can think of no other area where we say to the government--or where the government says to children, `sure, you don't want to talk to your parents about this, we will supp... |
Now I should make a clear distinction here. On the one hand, we have permission or consent, as it's sometimes called in the law, and on the other hand, we have notification. The kinds of laws we're talking about are really notification. And it's always made a lot of sense to me that there should ... | now i should make a clear distinction here on the one hand we have permission or consent as it's sometimes called in the law and on the other hand we, have, notification the kinds of laws we're talking about are really notification and, it's always made a lot of sense to me that there should be s... | Now I should, make a clear distinction here On, the one hand we, have permission or consent as it's, sometimes called. in the law and on the other hand we have, notification The kinds of laws we're talking about are really notification And it's always made a lot of sense to me that there should b... | now i should make a clear distinction here. on the one hand, we have permission or consent, as it's sometimes called in the law, and on the other hand, we have notification. the kinds of laws we're talking about are really notification. and it's always made a lot of sense to me that there should ... |
There are obviously also cases where girls come from a dysfunctional or abusive homes. Normally, these laws have an exemption where they can then appeal to a judge for a waiver of notification or consent. Is that something that you would approve of? | there are obviously also cases where. girls come from a dysfunctional or abusive homes normally these laws have an exemption where they can then appeal. to a judge, for a, waiver of notification or consent is that something that you would approve | There are obviously also cases where girls come from a dysfunctional or abusive homes Normally these laws have an exemption, where they can then appeal to a judge for; a waiver of notification or consent Is that, something that you would approve | there are obviously also cases where girls come from a dysfunctional or abusive homes. normally, these laws have an exemption where they can then appeal to a judge for a waiver of notification or consent. is that something that you would approve of? |
Well, yes, although I've often wondered why it is that you need that judicial bypass--that's generally the way it's referred to--when it comes to an abortion, when it's clear that, in those cases, in those families, the normal relationship has broken down anyway and many of those families, I assume,... | well, yes although i've often wondered why it is that you need that judicial bypass--that's generally. the way it's referred to--when; it comes to an abortion when it's, clear that in those. cases in those families the normal relationship has broken down anyway and many of. those, families i assume ... | Well yes although I've often. wondered why it is that you need that judicial bypass--that's generally the. way it's referred to--when it comes to an abortion when it's clear that in, those cases in those families the normal, relationship has broken down anyway and many of those families I assume are... | well, yes, although i've often wondered why it is that you need that judicial bypass--that's generally the way it's referred to--when it comes to an abortion, when it's clear that, in those cases, in those families, the normal relationship has broken down anyway and many of those families, i assume,... |
Let's get another caller on the line, and this is Laura. Laura's with us from Northampton, Massachusetts. | let's get another caller on the line and this is laura laura's with us from northampton | Let's get another caller on, the line, and this is Laura Laura's with us from Northampton | let's get another caller on the line, and this is laura. laura's with us from northampton, massachusetts. |
Hi. | hi. | ||
Hi. | hi. | ||
I wanted to offer another perspective. About 24 years ago, I was faced with an unplanned pregnancy. I was a senior in high school--similar story to the first caller--living in Texas at the time, and I chose to tell my mother. Of course, I had chosen at the time to have an abortion, and through th... | i wanted, to offer another perspective, about 24 years ago. i was faced with an unplanned pregnancy i was a senior in high. school--similar. story to, the first; caller--living in texas at the, time and i chose to tell my mother of course i had chosen at. the time to have an abortion and through;... | I wanted to offer another perspective About 24 years ago I was faced with an unplanned pregnancy I was a senior in high school--similar story to the first. caller--living in Texas at. the, time and I chose to tell. my mother Of course I had chosen at the time to have, an abortion and through the ... | i wanted to offer another perspective. about 24 years ago, i was faced with an unplanned pregnancy. i was a senior in high school--similar story to the first caller--living in texas at the time, and i chose to tell my mother. of course, i had chosen at the time to have an abortion, and through th... |
I went to the clinic and, literally at the last minute, changed my mind, and I fortunately had the means to support myself. I was able to go to college full time and get my degree and raise my child, who is now 24 and is a wonderful young man. But I had a relationship with my mother that was very ... | i went to the clinic and literally at, the last minute changed my mind and i fortunately had the. means to support myself i was able, to go, to college full time and. get my, degree and raise my child who is now 24 and is a wonderful young; man but i had, a relationship with my mother that was ver... | I went to the clinic and literally at the last minute changed my mind and I fortunately had the means to support myself I was. able to go to college full. time and get my degree and raise my child who is now 24 and is a wonderful young man But I had a relationship with my mother that was very diff... | i went to the clinic and, literally at the last minute, changed my mind, and i fortunately had the means to support myself. i was able to go to college full time and get my degree and raise my child, who is now 24 and is a wonderful young man. but i had a relationship with my mother that was very ... |
And so it changed the dynamic of our relationship, and we are so incredibly close. And--very grateful that I had the courage to share with her. And now, as a parent of three boys--I have all boys--I'm very, very close with them. We have a very open relationship, and I know that that comes from rea... | and, so it, changed the dynamic of our relationship and we are so, incredibly close and--very grateful that. i had, the courage to share with her and now as a parent of three boys--i have all, boys--i'm very very close with them we have, a very open relationship and i know that; that comes from re... | And so it, changed the dynamic of our relationship, and we are so incredibly close And--very grateful; that I had the, courage to share with her And now as a parent of three boys--I have all boys--I'm very. very close with them We have a very open relationship and I know that that comes from reall... | and so it changed the dynamic of our relationship, and we are so incredibly close. and--very grateful that i had the courage to share with her. and now, as a parent of three boys--i have all boys--i'm very, very close with them. we have a very open relationship, and i know that that comes from rea... |
We're talking about parental notification and abortion. You're listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. | we're talking about parental notification and abortion. you're listening to talk of the nation from npr | We're talking about parental notification and, abortion, You're listening to TALK OF THE; NATION from NPR | we're talking about parental notification and abortion. you're listening to talk of the nation from npr news. |
And, Laura, so have you talked with your children? You say they're all boys, but nevertheless it does take two to get involved in this. | and laura so have you talked with your children? you say they're all boys but nevertheless it does take two to get involved in | And Laura so have you talked with your children? You say they're. all. boys but, nevertheless it does take two to get involved in | and, laura, so have you talked with your children? you say they're all boys, but nevertheless it does take two to get involved in this. |
But first, if you have questions about the political, military and strategic consequences of last summer's war between Israel and Hezbollah, about the process of reconstruction, and whether the agreements that ended the fighting can be sustained. Our number is 800-989-8255, that's 800-989-TALK. E-mail is talk@npr.org. ... | but first if you, have questions about the political military and strategic consequences of last summer's war between israel and hezbollah about the process of reconstruction and whether. the agreements, that ended the, fighting can be sustained our number. is 800-989-8255, that's 800-989-talk e-mail is talk@npr.org yo... | But first if you have questions about the political military and strategic consequences of last summer's war between Israel and Hezbollah about the process of; reconstruction and, whether the agreements that ended the fighting can be sustained Our number is 800-989-8255, that's 800-989-TALK. E-mail is talk@npr.org You ... | but first, if you have questions about the political, military and strategic consequences of last summer's war between israel and hezbollah, about the process of reconstruction, and whether the agreements that ended the fighting can be sustained. our number is 800-989-8255, that's 800-989-talk. e-mail is talk@npr.org. ... |
Right. Well, they know what happened to me as a young woman, and we've been very open about sharing that experience. And they know that no matter what--I love them no matter what, and that there are going to be times in their lives that they do things that might disappoint me, but that my love wit... | right well, they know what happened to me as a young woman and we've been very open about sharing that experience and they know that, no matter what--i love them. no matter what and that there are going to be times in their lives that they do things that might disappoint. me but, that my love with... | Right Well they know what happened to me as a young woman and we've been very open about. sharing that experience And they know that no matter what--I love them no, matter, what; and that there are going to be times in their lives that they do things that might disappoint me but that my love with ... | right. well, they know what happened to me as a young woman, and we've been very open about sharing that experience. and they know that no matter what--i love them no matter what, and that there are going to be times in their lives that they do things that might disappoint me, but that my love wit... |
Sarah? | sarah? | ||
Well, this caller is clearly a woman who has decided actively that she wants to be available to her children to deal with the issues that life throws at you. And she said, really in such a beautiful way, what I was alluding to earlier, which is that if you want to be the one that your children can ... | well this caller is clearly. a woman who has decided. actively that she wants to be, available to, her children to deal with the issues that life throws at you and she said really in such a beautiful way what i was alluding to earlier; which is that if. you want to; be the one that, your children c... | Well this caller is clearly a woman who has decided, actively that she wants, to be available to her children to deal with the issues that life. throws at you And. she said really in. such. a beautiful way what I was alluding to. earlier which is that if you want to be the one that your children ca... | well, this caller is clearly a woman who has decided actively that she wants to be available to her children to deal with the issues that life throws at you. and she said, really in such a beautiful way, what i was alluding to earlier, which is that if you want to be the one that your children can ... |
Mm-hmm. And, Kay Hymowitz, as you listened to Laura's story--this is the way it should play out. | mm-hmm and kay. hymowitz as you listened to laura's story--this is the way it should. play | Mm-hmm And, Kay Hymowitz. as you listened to Laura's story--this is the way it should play | mm-hmm. and, kay hymowitz, as you listened to laura's story--this is the way it should play out. |
I think so. You know, it's interesting--when these laws were first being generated in the late '70s and early '80s, the reason that people were so upset about them was that they assumed--and I think a lot of listeners are assuming; perhaps even you, Neal, are assuming--that the problem was that the... | i think so, you know it's interesting--when these laws, were first being generated in the late '70s and early '80s the reason that people were so upset. about them was that they assumed--and i think a lot of listeners are assuming perhaps even you neal, are assuming--that the problem was that there... | I think so You know it's interesting--when these laws, were first being generated. in, the late '70s and early '80s the reason that people were so upset about them was that they assumed--and I think a lot of listeners. are assuming, perhaps even you Neal are assuming--that the problem. was that the... | i think so. you know, it's interesting--when these laws were first being generated in the late '70s and early '80s, the reason that people were so upset about them was that they assumed--and i think a lot of listeners are assuming; perhaps even you, neal, are assuming--that the problem was that the... |
Wouldn't have been an issue in my family; my mother would have killed me. But... | wouldn't have been. an issue in. my family my mother. would have killed me | Wouldn't have been an issue in my family my mother would have killed me | wouldn't have been an issue in my family; my mother would have killed me. but... |
(Soundbite of laughter) | (soundbite of | (Soundbite of | (soundbite of laughter) |
My mother, too, Neal. | my, mother too | My. mother too | my mother, too, neal. |
Yeah, mine, too. | yeah. mine | Yeah mine | yeah, mine, too. |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
So there we are. | so there we, | So there we | so there we are. |
Yeah, right. But what I was going to say is that... | yeah right but what i was going to say is | Yeah right But what I was going to say is | yeah, right. but what i was going to say is that... |
But here's the strategy, though... | but here's. the strategy | But. here's the strategy | but here's the strategy, though... |
...there are a lot of stories out there, aren't there? I mean, this story we've just heard is one. And these days, interestingly enough, the attitude towards abortion among young people has shifted, so that you see more support for abortion among baby boomers, my generation, than you do, actually,... | ...there are a; lot of stories, out there aren't there? i mean this story we've just heard is one and these days interestingly enough the attitude towards abortion among young people has shifted so that you see more support for abortion among baby boomers my generation than you do actually among y... | ...there are a lot of stories out there aren't there? I mean this story we've just heard, is one And these days interestingly enough; the attitude towards abortion among young people has shifted so that you see more, support for abortion among baby. boomers my generation than you do actually among... | ...there are a lot of stories out there, aren't there? i mean, this story we've just heard is one. and these days, interestingly enough, the attitude towards abortion among young people has shifted, so that you see more support for abortion among baby boomers, my generation, than you do, actually,... |
Sarah, do you... | sarah do | Sarah do | sarah, do you... |
Well, there's also been a decline in abortion... | well there's, also been a decline in | Well, there's also been a decline in | well, there's also been a decline in abortion... |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
...which I think is an important thing to underscore here. The underlying pregnancy rate is going down. Teen abortion is going down. Teen births are going down. And I think that sort of the solid direction we're all heading is the big picture here. What these court cases are about, and this part... | ...which i think is an, important thing to underscore here the underlying pregnancy rate is going down teen abortion is going, down teen births are going down and i; think that, sort of the. solid direction we're all heading is the big picture here what these court cases are about and this parti... | ...which I; think is an important; thing to underscore here The underlying pregnancy rate is going down Teen abortion is going down Teen births are going down, And I think. that sort of the solid direction we're all heading is. the big picture here What. these court cases are about and this part... | ...which i think is an important thing to underscore here. the underlying pregnancy rate is going down. teen abortion is going down. teen births are going down. and i think that sort of the solid direction we're all heading is the big picture here. what these court cases are about, and this part... |
Laura, thank you very much for the call. | laura thank you very much for. the | Laura thank you very much. for the | laura, thank you very much for the call. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
When we come back from a short break, we'll continue our discussion on how families handle teen pregnancy and abortion, and an update from France, where voters may decide the fate of the EU Constitution this weekend. That's after the break. | when we come back from a short. break we'll continue our discussion on how, families handle, teen pregnancy and. abortion and an update from france where voters may decide, the fate of the eu constitution this weekend that's after the | When we come back from a short break we'll continue our, discussion on how families handle teen pregnancy and abortion and an, update from France where voters may decide the fate of the EU Constitution this weekend That's, after the | when we come back from a short break, we'll continue our discussion on how families handle teen pregnancy and abortion, and an update from france, where voters may decide the fate of the eu constitution this weekend. that's after the break. |
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Today we're talking about parental notification laws, how parents and teens deal with unplanned pregnancies. We want to hear your stories. If you're a medical professional who's had to enforce the notification law, a teen or a parent who's struggled with this decision, our number is (800) 989-8255... | today we're, talking about parental notification laws, how parents and teens deal with unplanned pregnancies we want to hear your stories if you're a medical professional who's. had to enforce, the notification law a teen or a parent who's struggled with. this decision our number is (800) 989-8255... | Today we're talking about parental notification laws how parents and teens deal, with unplanned pregnancies We want to hear, your stories If you're a medical, professional who's had to enforce the notification law a teen or a parent who's struggled with this, decision our number is (800) 989-8255;... | today we're talking about parental notification laws, how parents and teens deal with unplanned pregnancies. we want to hear your stories. if you're a medical professional who's had to enforce the notification law, a teen or a parent who's struggled with this decision, our number is (800) 989-8255... |
And let's get another caller on the line. This is Susan. Susan's with us from La Jolla in California. | and let's get another caller on the line this is susan susan's with us from la jolla. in | And let's get another caller on the line This is, Susan Susan's with us from, La Jolla in | and let's get another caller on the line. this is susan. susan's with us from la jolla in california. |
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I had an abortion when I was 15 years old, and I was having unprotected sex at the time, and part of the reason for that was because my parents are extremely conservative Republicans and my mother chose not to ever speak to me about sex or protected sex. I did choose to tell my mother, because I wa... | i had an abortion when, i. was 15 years old and i was having unprotected sex at. the time and part. of the reason for that, was because my parents are extremely conservative republicans and my mother chose not to ever speak to. me about sex or protected sex, i did choose to tell my mother because i... | I had, an abortion when I, was 15 years old and I was having unprotected sex at the time, and part of the reason for that was because my, parents are extremely conservative Republicans and my mother chose not to ever speak to me about sex, or. protected sex I did. choose to tell my mother because I... | i had an abortion when i was 15 years old, and i was having unprotected sex at the time, and part of the reason for that was because my parents are extremely conservative republicans and my mother chose not to ever speak to me about sex or protected sex. i did choose to tell my mother, because i wa... |
And how did that conversation go? | and; how did that conversation | And how did that conversation | and how did that conversation go? |
Rami Khouri and Hirsh Goodman joins us now. Rami Khouri is editor-at-large for the Lebanese newspaper The Daily Star. He joins us from the BBC studios in Beirut. Hirsh Goodman is a political columnist for the Jerusalem Report. He joins us from NPR's bureau in Jerusalem. And gentlemen, thanks very much for being with us... | rami khouri, and hirsh, goodman joins us now rami khouri, is editor-at-large for the lebanese newspaper the daily star he joins us from the bbc studios in beirut hirsh goodman is a political columnist, for the jerusalem report, he joins us from npr's, bureau in jerusalem and, gentlemen thanks very much. for being with | Rami Khouri, and Hirsh Goodman joins us now Rami Khouri is editor-at-large for the Lebanese, newspaper The Daily Star He joins us from the BBC. studios in Beirut Hirsh Goodman is a political columnist for, the Jerusalem Report He, joins us, from NPR's bureau, in Jerusalem And gentlemen thanks very much for being with | rami khouri and hirsh goodman joins us now. rami khouri is editor-at-large for the lebanese newspaper the daily star. he joins us from the bbc studios in beirut. hirsh goodman is a political columnist for the jerusalem report. he joins us from npr's bureau in jerusalem. and gentlemen, thanks very much for being with us... |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
It was incredibly wonderful. My mother, despite the fact that she was, you know, appalled that I had been having sex, appalled that I had been having unprotected sex, able to find a very deep compassion within her to realize that for me to, first of all, be pregnant, and secondly, to even try to ha... | it was incredibly wonderful my mother despite the, fact that she was. you know appalled that i had been having sex appalled that i had been having unprotected sex able to find a very deep compassion within her to realize that for me to first of all be pregnant and secondly to even try. to have a ba... | It was incredibly wonderful My mother. despite the fact that she was. you know appalled that I had been having sex appalled, that I had been, having unprotected sex able to find, a very deep compassion within her to realize that for me to first of all be pregnant and secondly to even try to. have a... | it was incredibly wonderful. my mother, despite the fact that she was, you know, appalled that i had been having sex, appalled that i had been having unprotected sex, able to find a very deep compassion within her to realize that for me to, first of all, be pregnant, and secondly, to even try to ha... |
And I follow abortion politics and conversations and issues very avidly, and I'm really concerned that--I very rarely hear the word `compassion' when people speak about abortion, especially with young women, because I think that is almost more important than the idea of women's rights or even legal ... | and i follow abortion politics and conversations and issues very avidly and i'm really concerned that--i very rarely hear the, word `compassion' when people, speak about abortion especially with young women because i think that is almost more important than, the idea of women's rights or even legal | And I follow abortion politics and conversations, and issues very avidly and I'm really concerned that--I very rarely hear the word `compassion' when people. speak about, abortion especially with young women because I think that is almost more important than the idea of women's, rights or, even lega... | and i follow abortion politics and conversations and issues very avidly, and i'm really concerned that--i very rarely hear the word `compassion' when people speak about abortion, especially with young women, because i think that is almost more important than the idea of women's rights or even legal ... |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. | ||
I feel that many people who are pro-life don't have compassion and don't try to understand that pregnancy and childbirth is not right for everybody. | i feel that many people who are pro-life don't have compassion and don't try. to understand that pregnancy and childbirth is not right for | I feel that many people who are pro-life don't have compassion and don't try to understand that pregnancy and. childbirth is not right. for, | i feel that many people who are pro-life don't have compassion and don't try to understand that pregnancy and childbirth is not right for everybody. |
I wonder, Susan, just getting back to your story for a moment--you were 15 years old. Did you and your parents get the boy involved in the conversation and his parents? | i, wonder susan just getting back to your story for a moment--you were 15 years old did you and your parents get the boy involved in the conversation and his, | I wonder Susan just getting back, to your story for a moment--you, were 15 years old, Did you and your parents get the. boy involved in the conversation and his | i wonder, susan, just getting back to your story for a moment--you were 15 years old. did you and your parents get the boy involved in the conversation and his parents? |
No. | no. | ||
Did you tell your parents who the father was? | did you tell your parents who the father. | Did you tell. your parents who the father | did you tell your parents who the father was? |
I did, and actually, funnily enough, the boy--the young man--did come down to meet with me when I had the abortion, and my father, who I was literally afraid would, you know, kill me, as you said earlier, you know, came into my room at one point and said, you know, `I'm really upset with this young ... | i did, and actually funnily. enough the boy--the young man--did come down to meet with me when i had the, abortion, and my father who i, was literally afraid would you know kill me as you said earlier you know came into my room at one point and said you know `i'm really upset with this young person ... | I did and actually funnily enough the boy--the young man--did, come down to meet with; me when I had the abortion and my father who I was literally afraid would you know kill me as you said; earlier, you know came into my room at one point and said you. know. `I'm really upset with this young person... | i did, and actually, funnily enough, the boy--the young man--did come down to meet with me when i had the abortion, and my father, who i was literally afraid would, you know, kill me, as you said earlier, you know, came into my room at one point and said, you know, `i'm really upset with this young ... |
Hm. | hm. | ||
And, you know, my parents are both health-care practitioners, and maybe that's why they were able to find this compassion. I'm not sure. But, you know, I was extremely lucky, and many, many women are not as lucky as I am, and they often get overlooked. There's this idea that, you know, women can j... | and you know, my parents are both health-care practitioners and maybe that's why they were able to find this compassion i'm, not sure but you know i, was extremely lucky and many many women are not as lucky as i. am and they often get overlooked there's this idea that you know, women can, just go ... | And you, know my parents are both health-care practitioners and maybe that's why they were able to find this compassion I'm not sure But you know I was extremely lucky and many many women are not as lucky as I am and they, often get overlooked There's this idea that you know women can just. go and... | and, you know, my parents are both health-care practitioners, and maybe that's why they were able to find this compassion. i'm not sure. but, you know, i was extremely lucky, and many, many women are not as lucky as i am, and they often get overlooked. there's this idea that, you know, women can j... |
Susan, thank you so much for the phone call. | susan thank you so much for the phone | Susan thank you so much for the; phone | susan, thank you so much for the phone call. |
OK. Bye-bye. | ok | OK, | ok. bye-bye. |
We appreciate it. | we. appreciate | We appreciate. | we appreciate it. |
Sarah and Kay, I wanted to ask you--I did ask her about the boy's involvement here because, clearly, they have to play a role, too. Kay Hymowitz? | sarah and kay i wanted to ask, you--i did ask her about the boy's involvement here because clearly they have, to play a role too kay | Sarah and Kay. I wanted to ask. you--I did ask her. about the boy's involvement here because clearly they have to, play a role too Kay | sarah and kay, i wanted to ask you--i did ask her about the boy's involvement here because, clearly, they have to play a role, too. kay hymowitz? |
Well, one would hope so. But, you know, I think inevitably, when you have a young person--a 15-year-old, as in this case--who is pregnant, the relationship with the boy may or may not be a big part of what she's going through. And what I mean by that is just that kids have sex for all kinds of rea... | well one. would hope. so but you, know. i think inevitably, when you have a young person--a 15-year-old as, in this case--who is pregnant the relationship; with, the boy may or may not be a big part of what she's going through and. what i mean by that is just that. kids have sex for all kinds of r... | Well one, would hope so, But you know I think inevitably when, you have a young person--a 15-year-old as in this case--who is pregnant the relationship with the boy may or may not be a big part of what she's going through And what I mean by that. is just that kids have, sex for all kinds of reason... | well, one would hope so. but, you know, i think inevitably, when you have a young person--a 15-year-old, as in this case--who is pregnant, the relationship with the boy may or may not be a big part of what she's going through. and what i mean by that is just that kids have sex for all kinds of rea... |
Sarah? | sarah? | ||
Well, I think this raises the issue of parents taking the time to actually find out what has happened. A lot of people will just make assumptions that maybe it's the steady boyfriend or whatever. They will jump to conclusions. In fact, if you talk with young women who've had these pregnancies, th... | well i think this raises the, issue of parents taking the time to actually find out what has happened a lot; of people will just make assumptions that maybe it's the steady. boyfriend or whatever they will jump to conclusions in fact if you talk with young women who've had these pregnancies there... | Well I think this raises the issue of. parents taking the time to actually find out what has happened, A lot of people will just make. assumptions that maybe it's the steady, boyfriend, or whatever They will jump to conclusions In fact if. you. talk with young women who've, had these pregnancies ... | well, i think this raises the issue of parents taking the time to actually find out what has happened. a lot of people will just make assumptions that maybe it's the steady boyfriend or whatever. they will jump to conclusions. in fact, if you talk with young women who've had these pregnancies, th... |
And I do think that there's a lot more interest now in involving the young man. For example, if this young woman chooses to carry this baby to term, we now have much stricter enforcement of child support and paternity. So, you know, we have to say to this young man, you know, `You will be a father... | and i do think that there's a. lot more interest now in involving the young man for example, if this young woman chooses to carry this baby to term we now have much stricter enforcement of child support and paternity so you, know we have to say to this young man, you know `you will be a, father y... | And I do think that there's a lot more interest now in involving the young man For example if this young, woman chooses to carry this baby to term we now have much stricter enforcement of child support and paternity So you know we have to say to this young man you know `You will be a. father You ... | and i do think that there's a lot more interest now in involving the young man. for example, if this young woman chooses to carry this baby to term, we now have much stricter enforcement of child support and paternity. so, you know, we have to say to this young man, you know, `you will be a father... |
So, you know, the notion that this is just one person now, I think, is beginning to erode. I think people are beginning to understand that there's more involved here than just the girl. | so you know the notion that this is just one person now i think is beginning to erode i think people, are beginning. to understand that there's more involved here than just the | So you know the notion that this is just one person now I think is beginning to erode I, think people are beginning to understand that there's, more involved here; than just the | so, you know, the notion that this is just one person now, i think, is beginning to erode. i think people are beginning to understand that there's more involved here than just the girl. |
Let's talk now with Lucy. Lucy's calling from Allentown, Pennsylvania. | let's talk now with lucy lucy's calling from allentown | Let's talk now with, Lucy Lucy's calling, from Allentown | let's talk now with lucy. lucy's calling from allentown, pennsylvania. |
Yes. Hi. | yes | Yes | yes. hi. |
Hi. | hi. | ||
Yes. I've worked extensively as a volunteer in this area. I accompanied girls to court as a volunteer for seven years, hundreds of girls, and spent a good bit of time with each. | yes, i've worked extensively as a volunteer in this area. i accompanied girls to court, as a volunteer for seven years, hundreds of girls and spent a good bit of time with | Yes I've worked extensively as a volunteer in this area I. accompanied girls to court as; a volunteer for seven years hundreds. of girls and spent a good bit. of time with | yes. i've worked extensively as a volunteer in this area. i accompanied girls to court as a volunteer for seven years, hundreds of girls, and spent a good bit of time with each. |
And this is in a state, presumably, where they're going to court so that they don't have to notify their parents? | and this is in a; state presumably where they're going to court so that they don't have to notify their, | And this, is in a. state presumably where they're going to court so that, they don't have, to notify their | and this is in a state, presumably, where they're going to court so that they don't have to notify their parents? |
Yeah. It's to get a judicial bypass. | yeah it's to get a judicial | Yeah. It's to, get, a judicial | yeah. it's to get a judicial bypass. |
Right. | right. | ||
And I just won't say where it was. We've moved from the area; that's the only reason I stopped doing it. | and i just won't say where it was we've moved from the, area that's the only reason i stopped doing, | And I just won't say where it. was We've moved from the. area that's, the only reason I stopped. doing. | and i just won't say where it was. we've moved from the area; that's the only reason i stopped doing it. |
Uh-huh. | uh-huh. | ||
But it was set up extremely well there. The court process was very simple. The judges were sympathetic. There--we didn't use the judges that weren't; we had the option. All the people that dealt with these girls were very sympathetic. The whole--it was very clear that the only issue the judge w... | but it was set up extremely well, there the court process was. very simple the judges were sympathetic there--we didn't use the judges that weren't we had the option all the people that dealt with these girls were very sympathetic the whole--it was very clear that the only issue the judge was, ... | But it was set up extremely well there The court process was very simple The judges, were sympathetic There--we didn't use, the judges that weren't we had the. option All the people that dealt with these girls were very sympathetic The whole--it was very clear that the; only, issue the judge wa... | but it was set up extremely well there. the court process was very simple. the judges were sympathetic. there--we didn't use the judges that weren't; we had the option. all the people that dealt with these girls were very sympathetic. the whole--it was very clear that the only issue the judge w... |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
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