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…task, oh, sorry. If there's people out there, if they have been to (unintelligible), even if they're not anymore and still have the student IDs, I found I could use that at a lot of places at museums and things like that -almost anywhere from Finland to other places in Europe and stuff like that. | …task oh sorry if there's people out. there if they have been to (unintelligible), even if they're not anymore and; still have the student ids i found i could use that, at a lot of places at museums and things like that -almost anywhere from, finland to other places in europe and stuff like | …task, oh sorry If there's people out there if they have been to (unintelligible), even if they're not. anymore and, still have the student IDs I found I could use, that at a lot of places at. museums and things like that -almost anywhere from Finland to other places in Europe and stuff like | …task, oh, sorry. if there's people out there, if they have been to (unintelligible), even if they're not anymore and still have the student ids, i found i could use that at a lot of places at museums and things like that -almost anywhere from finland to other places in europe and stuff like that. |
Oh, those gullible Europeans. | oh those gullible | Oh those gullible | oh, those gullible europeans. |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
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Although seniors don't usually get in for the senior admission price because we don't reciprocate when they come here. And they make a very clear point to that. It puts off a lot of Americans seniors. Why does that French person get in at half price and not me? Well, because… | although seniors don't usually get in for the senior admission price because we don't reciprocate when they. come here and they make a very clear point to that it puts off a lot of americans seniors why does that french person get in at half price and not me? well | Although seniors don't usually get in for the senior admission price because we don't reciprocate when they come here And they make a, very clear point to, that It puts off a lot of Americans seniors Why does that French person get, in at half price and not me? Well | although seniors don't usually get in for the senior admission price because we don't reciprocate when they come here. and they make a very clear point to that. it puts off a lot of americans seniors. why does that french person get in at half price and not me? well, because… |
Oh, yeah. | oh | Oh | oh, yeah. |
…French reciprocates with Germany and United States doesn't when it comes to senior discounts. Katrina makes a very good point about getting off the beaten path. Italy is notorious for being expensive, but most people's experience in Italy, as Neal mentioned with the $10 cup of coffee, is in places like Venice, France ... | …french reciprocates with germany and united, states. doesn't when it comes to senior discounts katrina makes a very good point about getting off the beaten path italy; is notorious for being expensive but most people's experience in italy as neal mentioned with the, $10 cup of coffee is in places like venice france an... | …French reciprocates with Germany and United States doesn't when it comes to senior discounts Katrina, makes a very good point, about getting off, the beaten path Italy is notorious for being expensive but most. people's experience in Italy as Neal mentioned with the $10 cup of coffee is in. places like Venice France a... | …french reciprocates with germany and united states doesn't when it comes to senior discounts. katrina makes a very good point about getting off the beaten path. italy is notorious for being expensive, but most people's experience in italy, as neal mentioned with the $10 cup of coffee, is in places like venice, france ... |
If you can go to the rest of Italy, you'll find prices are substantially less expensive. And of course, what we think of as Eastern Europe is now part of the E.U. and its wide open. And boy, talk about the new frontier for European tourism and a lot of fun. You'll find that hotels across the Eastern Europe are almost t... | if you can go to the rest of italy you'll find prices are substantially less expensive and of course what we think of as eastern europe is now part of, the e.u. and its wide open and boy talk about the new frontier for european tourism and a lot of fun you'll find that hotels across the eastern europe are almost the sa... | If, you can go to. the rest of Italy you'll find prices are substantially less expensive And of course what we think of as. Eastern Europe is now part of the, E.U and its wide open And boy talk about the new frontier, for European tourism and a lot of fun You'll find that hotels across the Eastern Europe are almost the... | if you can go to the rest of italy, you'll find prices are substantially less expensive. and of course, what we think of as eastern europe is now part of the e.u. and its wide open. and boy, talk about the new frontier for european tourism and a lot of fun. you'll find that hotels across the eastern europe are almost t... |
We went to meals where, I mean, you know, to be like a four-star restaurant here - five courses… | we went to meals where i mean you know to be like a four-star restaurant. here - five | We. went to meals where I mean you know to be, like a four-star restaurant here - five | we went to meals where, i mean, you know, to be like a four-star restaurant here - five courses… |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
and spend, you know, $80 for two people, which - but here, it would be 3-$400. You know, it's just… | and spend you know $80 for two. people which - but here it would. be 3-$400. you know it's | and spend. you know $80 for two people which - but here it would be 3-$400. You know it's | and spend, you know, $80 for two people, which - but here, it would be 3-$400. you know, it's just… |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
…a really nice experience. | …a really nice | …a really nice. | …a really nice experience. |
That's a real tough call. That's a real tough call. I certainly am in a position where I wish that, when my children come to a decision like that, that they could come to me. But again, you know, it's a double-edged sword. I know very well why I didn't share this information with mine, and I'm s... | that's, a real tough call that's a real; tough call i certainly am in. a. position where. i wish that when my children come to a decision like that that they could come to me but again you know it's a double-edged sword i know very well; why i didn't, share, this; information, with mine and i'm ... | That's a real tough call That's a real. tough call I certainly am in a position where I wish that when my children come to a decision like that that they could come to me But again you know it's a double-edged sword I know very well why I, didn't share this, information with mine and I'm sure th... | that's a real tough call. that's a real tough call. i certainly am in a position where i wish that, when my children come to a decision like that, that they could come to me. but again, you know, it's a double-edged sword. i know very well why i didn't share this information with mine, and i'm s... |
And have any of them, certainly, read the Constitution lately? | and have any, of them certainly read, the. constitution | And have any of them certainly read. the Constitution | and have any of them, certainly, read the constitution lately? |
I went - I was just in Prague, and of course Prague is quite touristy, so you got to be careful or they'll rip you off in the restaurants. But you get in the train for an hour and a half, go east, to Olomoucs, the capital of Moravia which nobody knows about. And I was so impressed that you'd go to a restaurant and you ... | i went - i was just in prague and of course prague is quite, touristy so you got to be careful or they'll. rip you off. in the restaurants but you, get in the train. for an hour and a half go. east to olomoucs the capital of moravia which nobody knows about and i was so impressed that you'd go to a restaurant and you d... | I went - I was just. in Prague and of course Prague is quite touristy so you got to be careful or they'll rip you off in the. restaurants. But you get in the. train for an. hour and a half go east to Olomoucs the capital of Moravia which nobody knows. about And I was so impressed that. you'd go to a restaurant and, you... | i went - i was just in prague, and of course prague is quite touristy, so you got to be careful or they'll rip you off in the restaurants. but you get in the train for an hour and a half, go east, to olomoucs, the capital of moravia which nobody knows about. and i was so impressed that you'd go to a restaurant and you ... |
Yeah, there's a lot of better places than Prague now. (Unintelligible) go further South or other places that are like it, but, you're right. I mean, a lot of those cities have just become so touristy and overpriced. | yeah there's a lot of better places than prague now (unintelligible) go further south or. other places that are like it but you're right i mean a lot of those cities have. just. become so touristy and | Yeah there's a lot of better places than Prague; now (Unintelligible) go further South or other places that, are like it but you're right I mean a. lot of those cities have, just become so touristy and | yeah, there's a lot of better places than prague now. (unintelligible) go further south or other places that are like it, but, you're right. i mean, a lot of those cities have just become so touristy and overpriced. |
Well, Prague is the gateway to Eastern Europe and understandably, it's got more tourism now I think than Salzburg, and it's come with a big price. But Krakow, in the historic capital of Poland is considered the one of the new Pragues. And of course, Croatia is very popular now. | well prague is the gateway to eastern, europe and understandably, it's got more tourism now i think than salzburg and it's come with a big price, but krakow in the, historic capital of poland. is considered. the one of the new pragues and of course croatia is very popular | Well Prague, is the gateway to Eastern Europe and understandably it's got more tourism now; I think than Salzburg and. it's come with a big price But Krakow in, the historic capital of Poland. is considered the one; of the new Pragues And of course Croatia is very popular | well, prague is the gateway to eastern europe and understandably, it's got more tourism now i think than salzburg, and it's come with a big price. but krakow, in the historic capital of poland is considered the one of the new pragues. and of course, croatia is very popular now. |
I was just in Bosnia and most (unintelligible) just wonderful. I've had so much fun, by the way, writing my blog and reporting on all of this. And it's fun to go places that a little offbeat, whether it's Morocco or Bosnia or (unintelligible) as Katrina was talking about and get away from the tourist crowd and closer t... | i was just in bosnia and most. (unintelligible) just wonderful i've had so much fun, by the way writing my blog and reporting on all; of this and it's fun to go places that a little offbeat whether it's morocco or bosnia or (unintelligible) as katrina was talking about and; get away from the tourist crowd and, closer t... | I was just in, Bosnia. and most (unintelligible) just wonderful I've had so much fun by the way writing my, blog and reporting on all of this And it's. fun to go places that a little offbeat whether it's Morocco or Bosnia or (unintelligible) as Katrina was talking about and get away from the tourist crowd and closer to... | i was just in bosnia and most (unintelligible) just wonderful. i've had so much fun, by the way, writing my blog and reporting on all of this. and it's fun to go places that a little offbeat, whether it's morocco or bosnia or (unintelligible) as katrina was talking about and get away from the tourist crowd and closer t... |
Katrina, thanks very much for the call. That blog that Rick Steves mentioned, well, you can go read that at our blog site at talk@npr.org/blogofthenation. Both Rick Steves and Rick Seaney, our guest earlier in this program, have been kind enough to blog for us. | katrina thanks very much for the call that blog that rick steves mentioned, well you can. go read that at our blog site at, talk@npr.org/blogofthenation both rick steves and rick. seaney our guest earlier in this program have been kind enough to blog for | Katrina thanks very much, for the call That blog that Rick Steves. mentioned well you can go read that at our, blog. site at talk@npr.org/blogofthenation Both Rick Steves and Rick Seaney our guest earlier in this program have been, kind enough to blog for | katrina, thanks very much for the call. that blog that rick steves mentioned, well, you can go read that at our blog site at talk@npr.org/blogofthenation. both rick steves and rick seaney, our guest earlier in this program, have been kind enough to blog for us. |
Rick Steves, thanks very much for being with us today. | rick steves thanks very much for being with us | Rick Steves thanks very much for being with us | rick steves, thanks very much for being with us today. |
Great to be with you. Thanks, Neal. | great to be with you, thanks, | Great to be with you, Thanks, | great to be with you. thanks, neal. |
And Rick Steves joined us today from the studio in Edmonds, Washington. | and rick, steves joined us today; from, the. studio in edmonds | And Rick Steves joined us today from the studio in Edmonds | and rick steves joined us today from the studio in edmonds, washington. |
This is TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. | this. is talk of the. nation. from npr | This is, TALK OF THE NATION from; NPR | this is talk of the nation from npr news. |
This is TALK OF THE NATION. I'm Neal Conan in Washington. | this is talk of the nation i'm neal conan in | This is TALK OF THE NATION I'm Neal Conan in | this is talk of the nation. i'm neal conan in washington. |
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And, David, we also have to do a one year wrap of my fantasy portfolio today, too. So nice to have you on the program as always. | and. david we also have to do a one year wrap of my fantasy portfolio today too so nice to have you on the program as, | And David we also, have to do a one year wrap of my fantasy portfolio today too So nice to have you, on the program as | and, david, we also have to do a one year wrap of my fantasy portfolio today, too. so nice to have you on the program as always. |
Thank you, Neal. Good to be here. | thank you neal good to be, | Thank you Neal Good to be | thank you, neal. good to be here. |
And we'll get to calls in the moment. But first, our usual words of caution, neither David nor I will offer advice on whether to buy yourself any particular stock, we're talking about a fantasy portfolio with imaginary money not meant to be financial advice and will not be a recommendation for or against any investment... | and we'll get. to calls, in the moment but first, our usual words of caution neither david nor i will offer advice on whether to buy yourself any particular stock we're talking; about a fantasy portfolio with imaginary money not meant to; be financial advice and, will not be, a recommendation for or; against any invest... | And we'll get to calls in the moment But first our usual words of caution neither David. nor; I will offer advice on whether. to buy yourself any particular stock we're talking about a fantasy portfolio with imaginary money not meant to be financial advice and will not. be a recommendation. for or against any investmen... | and we'll get to calls in the moment. but first, our usual words of caution, neither david nor i will offer advice on whether to buy yourself any particular stock, we're talking about a fantasy portfolio with imaginary money not meant to be financial advice and will not be a recommendation for or against any investment... |
Well, it hasn't been a great year, Neal, but you've got some things to celebrate. Again, we have to go to back to you Apple Computer call of the year ago; I think you made it around, well, 85, 90 today. Even though it's down substantially from its high, it's on 130, so you got that one right and you even convinced me b... | well it hasn't been a great year neal but you've got some things to celebrate again we have. to go to back to you apple computer, call of, the year, ago i think you made it around, well 85, 90 today even though it's down substantially from its high it's; on 130, so you got that one right and you even convinced me becau... | Well it, hasn't been a great year Neal. but you've got some things to celebrate Again we have to go to back to you Apple Computer call. of the year ago. I think you made it around well 85, 90 today. Even though it's down substantially from its high it's on 130, so you, got, that one right and you even convinced me beca... | well, it hasn't been a great year, neal, but you've got some things to celebrate. again, we have to go to back to you apple computer call of the year ago; i think you made it around, well, 85, 90 today. even though it's down substantially from its high, it's on 130, so you got that one right and you even convinced me b... |
And the other big winner was ConocoPhillips, a well-managed company, we think, in an oil industry where prices are going through the roof. But nevertheless, some real stinkers too. For example, well, Tempur-Pedic, my most recent purchase, which is down 40 percent. | and the; other big winner was conocophillips a well-managed company we think in an oil, industry where prices are going through the, roof but nevertheless some real stinkers. too for. example well tempur-pedic my most, recent purchase which is, down | And the other big winner was ConocoPhillips a well-managed company, we think in an oil industry where prices are going through the roof But nevertheless some. real stinkers too For example well Tempur-Pedic my most recent purchase which is down | and the other big winner was conocophillips, a well-managed company, we think, in an oil industry where prices are going through the roof. but nevertheless, some real stinkers too. for example, well, tempur-pedic, my most recent purchase, which is down 40 percent. |
You know - and I've had some of those too, who hasn't? Yes, that was, sort of a - that was a December move, I believe. | you know - and i've had some of those. too who, hasn't? yes that was sort of; a - that was a december move i | You know - and I've had some of those too who hasn't? Yes that was sort of a - that was a December move I | you know - and i've had some of those too, who hasn't? yes, that was, sort of a - that was a december move, i believe. |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
And now, here we about to approach March, hasn't even been three months, really, it seems unfair but then again there's so many good companies, and I think Tempur-Pedic remains one that have had that kind of a thrill ride these last three months. | and now here we about to approach march hasn't even, been three months really it seems unfair but, then again; there's so many good companies and i think tempur-pedic remains one that have had that kind of a thrill ride these last three | And now here we about to approach March hasn't even been three months really it, seems unfair but then again there's so many good companies and I think Tempur-Pedic remains, one that have, had that kind of a thrill ride these last three | and now, here we about to approach march, hasn't even been three months, really, it seems unfair but then again there's so many good companies, and i think tempur-pedic remains one that have had that kind of a thrill ride these last three months. |
So, anyway, next month what we're going to do is take - I'm going to take a look at my holdings and decide, well, maybe after a year, it might be time to move some of my fantasy portfolio into other stocks. We'll talk about that next month. In any case, we got loads of questions about the economy in these conditions. A... | so anyway next month. what we're; going to do, is take - i'm going to take. a look at my holdings and. decide. well maybe after a year it might be time to move; some of, my fantasy. portfolio into other stocks we'll talk about that next month in any case, we got loads of questions about the economy in these conditions ... | So anyway next. month what we're going to do is take, - I'm going, to, take a look at my holdings and decide well maybe after a year it, might be time to move some of my fantasy portfolio into other stocks We'll talk about that next month In any, case we got loads of questions about the economy in these conditions And ... | so, anyway, next month what we're going to do is take - i'm going to take a look at my holdings and decide, well, maybe after a year, it might be time to move some of my fantasy portfolio into other stocks. we'll talk about that next month. in any case, we got loads of questions about the economy in these conditions. a... |
Well it is, and you know a year ago if we were talking about the subprime problems they were just about breaking at this point. The news and some of those companies which are today out of business that were making those loans were just - it was all coming to light right around now. As you know, that's spilled out into ... | well it is and you know a year ago if we, were, talking about the subprime problems they were just about breaking at this point the news and some, of those companies which. are today. out of business that, were; making those loans were just - it was all coming to light right around now as you know that's spilled out in... | Well it. is and you. know a; year ago if we were talking about the subprime problems they were just about breaking at this point The news and some of those companies which. are today out of business that were making those loans were just - it was all coming to light, right around now As you know that's spilled out into... | well it is, and you know a year ago if we were talking about the subprime problems they were just about breaking at this point. the news and some of those companies which are today out of business that were making those loans were just - it was all coming to light right around now. as you know, that's spilled out into ... |
Yup. | yup. | ||
And then today, Neal, it's about is this economy slipping into a recession. And I guess my foolish, with the capital F, point about this is it's always funny how often that word is use because there's very little group understanding of what recession even is. Neal, not to put you on the spot but do you know, right off ... | and then today neal it's about is. this economy slipping into a. recession and i guess my foolish with the capital f point about this is it's always funny how often that word; is use. because. there's very little group understanding of what recession even is neal not to put, you on; the spot but do you know right off t... | And then today. Neal it's about is this economy slipping into a recession; And I guess my foolish with the capital F point about this is it's always funny how often that word, is use because there's very little group understanding, of what recession even is Neal not to put you on the spot but do, you, know right off th... | and then today, neal, it's about is this economy slipping into a recession. and i guess my foolish, with the capital f, point about this is it's always funny how often that word is use because there's very little group understanding of what recession even is. neal, not to put you on the spot but do you know, right off ... |
Well, as you said, it starts out as a fairly narrow issue. It's not a question of whether the state can have a parental notification law; it's whether the law must make an exception for medical emergencies. The New Hampshire law says something like there must be parental notification, except if an a... | well as you said it starts out as a fairly narrow issue it's not a question of whether the, state can have, a parental notification. law it's whether the law must make an exception for medical emergencies the new hampshire law says. something like there. must be parental notification except if an ab... | Well as you; said it starts out as. a fairly narrow issue. It's not a question of whether the state can have a parental notification law it's whether the law must make an exception for medical emergencies The New Hampshire, law says something like. there must be. parental notification except if an a... | well, as you said, it starts out as a fairly narrow issue. it's not a question of whether the state can have a parental notification law; it's whether the law must make an exception for medical emergencies. the new hampshire law says something like there must be parental notification, except if an a... |
And so on the theory that the law addressed the life of the mother, but not necessarily her health. | and so on the. theory that the law addressed the life of the mother but not necessarily, her | And so on the theory that the law; addressed the life of the mother but not necessarily, her | and so on the theory that the law addressed the life of the mother, but not necessarily her health. |
That's right, that the law was missing an important ingredient that the law must have. I should say there's sort of a secondary sort of abstract issue here that could prove quite important, and it sort of goes like this. Suppose you're a judge and you're faced with that situation, this very situat... | that's right that the law was; missing an important ingredient that the law must have i should say; there's sort of a secondary sort of abstract issue. here. that, could prove quite important and it sort of goes, like this suppose you're a. judge and you're. faced with that situation this very sit... | That's right that the, law was missing, an important ingredient that the law must have I should say there's sort of a secondary sort of abstract issue here that could prove quite important and it sort of goes like this Suppose you're a judge and you're faced with. that situation this very situatio... | that's right, that the law was missing an important ingredient that the law must have. i should say there's sort of a secondary sort of abstract issue here that could prove quite important, and it sort of goes like this. suppose you're a judge and you're faced with that situation, this very situat... |
The Supreme Court's pattern in these cases is to strike down laws across the books and say if it could unfairly, unconstitutionally hurt the rights of some women, then the law itself is unconstitutional on its face. But Chief Justice Rehnquist and Justice Scalia, in particular, have said, `No, we o... | the supreme court's. pattern in these cases is, to strike, down laws across the. books and, say if it could unfairly unconstitutionally hurt the rights of some women then the law itself is, unconstitutional on its face but chief justice rehnquist and justice scalia in particular have said `no we ou... | The Supreme Court's pattern in these cases is to strike down laws. across the books and say if it could unfairly unconstitutionally hurt the rights of some women; then the law itself is unconstitutional on its face But Chief Justice Rehnquist and Justice Scalia in particular have said `No we ought ... | the supreme court's pattern in these cases is to strike down laws across the books and say if it could unfairly, unconstitutionally hurt the rights of some women, then the law itself is unconstitutional on its face. but chief justice rehnquist and justice scalia, in particular, have said, `no, we o... |
The reason I'm mentioning all this is because that's the issue the New Hampshire state attorneys raise, this sort of broader question about how to view abortion laws, and the Supreme Court granted their appeal. | the reason i'm mentioning all this is because that's the issue. the new, hampshire state attorneys raise this sort of broader question about how to view abortion laws and the supreme court granted their | The reason I'm mentioning all this is because that's the issue the New Hampshire state attorneys raise. this sort of broader question about. how to view abortion laws and the Supreme Court granted their | the reason i'm mentioning all this is because that's the issue the new hampshire state attorneys raise, this sort of broader question about how to view abortion laws, and the supreme court granted their appeal. |
Hmm. | hmm. | ||
So there's at least a possibility that they're taking this case to sort of rule more broadly that as a general matter, the laws should stand and these should become case-by-case challenges. | so there's at least, a possibility that they're taking this. case to sort of rule more. broadly that as a general matter the laws should stand and these should become case-by-case | So there's, at least a possibility, that they're taking this. case to sort of rule more broadly that, as a general matter the laws should stand and these should become case-by-case | so there's at least a possibility that they're taking this case to sort of rule more broadly that as a general matter, the laws should stand and these should become case-by-case challenges. |
Well, as we mentioned earlier, the court has not heard an abortion case for five years now. Why this case, why now? | well as we mentioned earlier the court has not. heard, an abortion case for five years now why this case why | Well as we mentioned, earlier the court has not heard an abortion case for five years now Why. this case. why | well, as we mentioned earlier, the court has not heard an abortion case for five years now. why this case, why now? |
Well, I think the five years is explained by the fact that they don't particularly want to take these very difficult regulatory cases. They are somewhat minor questions. They are very contentious. The court is closely split on it. So they have passed on a number of these regulatory cases, and the... | well i think the five. years is explained by the fact that they don't particularly want to take these very difficult regulatory cases they are somewhat minor questions they are very contentious the court is closely split on it so they. have passed on a number of these regulatory cases. and the `w... | Well I think the five years is explained, by the fact that they don't particularly, want to take these very difficult regulatory cases; They are somewhat minor questions They. are. very, contentious; The court, is closely split, on it So they have passed on a number of, these regulatory cases and... | well, i think the five years is explained by the fact that they don't particularly want to take these very difficult regulatory cases. they are somewhat minor questions. they are very contentious. the court is closely split on it. so they have passed on a number of these regulatory cases, and the... |
And you say at least four justices had to be interested in it, because that's how many it takes to accept a case. | and you say at least four, justices had to be interested in it because that's how. many. it takes to accept a | And you say at least four justices had to be interested in it because. that's how many. it takes to accept a | and you say at least four justices had to be interested in it, because that's how many it takes to accept a case. |
Yes, that's right. It takes four votes to grant an appeal. | yes that's right. it, takes four votes to grant an | Yes that's right It takes four votes to grant an | yes, that's right. it takes four votes to grant an appeal. |
And they would hear these arguments next fall? | and they would hear these arguments next | And they would hear these arguments next | and they would hear these arguments next fall? |
That's correct. | that's | That's, | that's correct. |
And then get a decision by? | and then get a decision | And then get a decision | and then get a decision by? |
Well, you never know; two to three or four months. Presumably, the first half of next year. | well you, never know two to three or four months presumably the. first, half of next | Well you, never know two to; three. or four months Presumably. the first half of next | well, you never know; two to three or four months. presumably, the first half of next year. |
And tell us, at this point, there are an awful lot of states--a majority of them--that have parental notification laws, but they require a whole number of different things. | and. tell us at this. point there are an awful lot of states--a majority of. them--that have parental notification laws but they require a whole number of. different | And tell us at this point there are an awful lot of states--a majority of them--that have, parental notification laws but they require a whole, number of different | and tell us, at this point, there are an awful lot of states--a majority of them--that have parental notification laws, but they require a whole number of different things. |
That's right. There's always a lot of--this has been a disputed area. It's about 33 states have laws on the books that require either notification or consent, one or the other. Going back to the early '80s, the Supreme Courts have upheld these laws in principle. However, they said in special situ... | that's right there's always a lot of--this. has. been a disputed area it's about 33 states have laws on the books that require. either notification or consent one or, the other going back to the early '80s the supreme courts; have upheld these laws in principle however they said in special situat... | That's right There's, always a lot of--this has been a disputed area It's, about. 33 states have laws on the books that require either notification or consent one or the other. Going back to the early '80s the Supreme Courts have upheld these. laws in principle However they said in special. situa... | that's right. there's always a lot of--this has been a disputed area. it's about 33 states have laws on the books that require either notification or consent, one or the other. going back to the early '80s, the supreme courts have upheld these laws in principle. however, they said in special situ... |
David Savage, thanks very much. | david savage thanks very | David Savage thanks, very | david savage, thanks very much. |
Thank you, Neal. | thank you | Thank you | thank you, neal. |
David Savage covers the Supreme Court for the Los Angeles Times. He joined us form his office here in Washington, DC. | david savage covers the supreme court for the los angeles. times he joined us form his office here in washington | David Savage covers the Supreme Court for the Los Angeles Times He joined us form his office here in Washington | david savage covers the supreme court for the los angeles times. he joined us form his office here in washington, dc. |
Well, to look at how these laws and these issues have played out in one state, joining us now is Maro Robbins, legal affairs reporter for the San Antonio Express-News. He's with us from their office in Austin, Texas. Nice to have you on the program. | well to look at how these laws and these issues have, played out in one state joining us now is maro robbins, legal affairs reporter for the san antonio express-news he's with us from their office in austin texas nice to have you on the | Well to, look at how these laws and these issues have played out in one state joining us now is Maro Robbins legal affairs reporter for the San Antonio Express-News He's, with us from their office in, Austin Texas Nice to have you on the | well, to look at how these laws and these issues have played out in one state, joining us now is maro robbins, legal affairs reporter for the san antonio express-news. he's with us from their office in austin, texas. nice to have you on the program. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank, | thank you. |
What does the law in Texas on parental notification require? | what does the law in. texas on parental notification | What does the law in Texas on. parental notification | what does the law in texas on parental notification require? |
The law here requires that abortion providers must give 48 hours' notice to the parents of a pregnant minor before actually performing the abortion. | the law here, requires that abortion providers must give 48 hours' notice to the parents of a pregnant minor before actually performing the | The law here requires that abortion providers must give 48 hours' notice to the parents of a pregnant, minor before actually performing the. | the law here requires that abortion providers must give 48 hours' notice to the parents of a pregnant minor before actually performing the abortion. |
And is there an exception for the health and the life of the mother? | and is there an exception for the health and the life of the | And is there an exception for, the health and the life of the | and is there an exception for the health and the life of the mother? |
That's right. The law lets a minor go to court and ask a judge to let her get the procedure without telling her parents, but it requires the minor to prove to the judge that she is sufficiently well-informed about the decisions, is mature, or alternatively, that telling her parents might result in ... | that's right the law lets a minor go to court and ask a judge to let her get the procedure without telling, her parents but, it requires the minor, to prove to the judge that she is sufficiently well-informed about the decisions is mature or alternatively that telling her parents might result in | That's right The law lets a minor go to court and ask a, judge to. let her. get the procedure without telling her parents but it requires the, minor to prove to the judge that she is sufficiently well-informed about the decisions is mature or alternatively. that telling her parents might. result in... | that's right. the law lets a minor go to court and ask a judge to let her get the procedure without telling her parents, but it requires the minor to prove to the judge that she is sufficiently well-informed about the decisions, is mature, or alternatively, that telling her parents might result in ... |
The law itself was vague, and so it was up to the Texas Supreme Court to define it, and the majority of the court finally decided that a minor was well-informed if she had consulted a health-care provider about the status of the pregnancy and what was involved in an abortion, if she knew about the c... | the law itself; was vague and so it was up. to the texas supreme court to define it and the majority of the court finally, decided that a minor was, well-informed if she had. consulted a health-care provider about the status of the pregnancy and what was involved, in an abortion if she knew about th... | The law, itself was vague and so it was up to the Texas Supreme Court to. define it and the majority of the court finally decided that a minor was, well-informed if she had consulted a health-care provider about the, status of the pregnancy and what was involved in an abortion if she knew about the,... | the law itself was vague, and so it was up to the texas supreme court to define it, and the majority of the court finally decided that a minor was well-informed if she had consulted a health-care provider about the status of the pregnancy and what was involved in an abortion, if she knew about the c... |
Was this played out in a c--you know, on a sort of theoretical basis, challenging the law, or was there a case involved? | was this played out in a c--you know on a sort of theoretical basis challenging the law or was there a case | Was this played out in a c--you. know on a sort of theoretical basis challenging the law or, was there a case | was this played out in a c--you know, on a sort of theoretical basis, challenging the law, or was there a case involved? |
It's been implemented hundreds of times, so the first time that it went to court was in 2000 and was challenged, and that was the case of a 17-year-old high school senior who became pregnant, but had planned on going to college and having a career, and who also had religious parents who she believed... | it's been implemented, hundreds of. times so the first time; that it, went to court was in 2000 and was, challenged and that was the case of a 17-year-old high school senior who became pregnant but; had planned on going, to college and having a career and who also had religious parents who she belie... | It's been implemented. hundreds of times, so the first time that it, went to court was in, 2000 and, was challenged. and that was the, case of a 17-year-old high school. senior who became pregnant but had planned on going to college, and having a career. and who, also had religious parents who she b... | it's been implemented hundreds of times, so the first time that it went to court was in 2000 and was challenged, and that was the case of a 17-year-old high school senior who became pregnant, but had planned on going to college and having a career, and who also had religious parents who she believed... |
Yes. | yes. | ||
...a Planned Parenthood counselor and had read their literature. And additionally, she had seen the fetus on an ultrasound. Ultimately, the court did decide that she was well-informed enough and did let her get the procedure, but it was not without some debate, and some judges felt that she wasn't w... | ...a planned parenthood; counselor and had read, their literature. and additionally she had seen the fetus on. an ultrasound, ultimately the court did decide that she was well-informed enough and did. let. her get, the procedure but it was not without some; debate and some, judges felt. that she was... | ...a Planned. Parenthood. counselor and had read their literature And additionally she had seen the fetus on an ultrasound Ultimately the court did decide; that she was well-informed enough and did let her get the procedure but it was not without some debate and some, judges felt that she wasn't | ...a planned parenthood counselor and had read their literature. and additionally, she had seen the fetus on an ultrasound. ultimately, the court did decide that she was well-informed enough and did let her get the procedure, but it was not without some debate, and some judges felt that she wasn't w... |
Was this at a time when--I'm just curious--Priscilla Owen, a Texas Supreme Court justice--was she on the Supreme Court then? | was this at a time when--i'm just curious--priscilla owen; a texas supreme, court justice--was. she on the supreme, court | Was this at a time. when--I'm just curious--Priscilla Owen a Texas Supreme Court justice--was she on the Supreme Court | was this at a time when--i'm just curious--priscilla owen, a texas supreme court justice--was she on the supreme court then? |
Yes, she was. In fact, she was among the judges who felt that the minor probably was not informed enough. | yes she was in fact she was among the judges who felt that the minor probably was not informed. | Yes she was In fact, she was among the judges who felt that the minor probably was not, informed | yes, she was. in fact, she was among the judges who felt that the minor probably was not informed enough. |
Priscilla Owen, I should point out, one of President Bush's disputed judicial nominees, and her appointment to, I think it's the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans, was confirmed earlier today by the US Senate. That's sort of why I raised it. How often do issues--do minors go to court to--... | priscilla owen i should point out; one of. president bush's disputed judicial nominees and her appointment to i think it's, the 5th circuit court of appeals in new, orleans was confirmed earlier today by the us senate that's sort of why i raised it how often do issues--do minors go to court to--you... | Priscilla Owen I should point out one of President Bush's disputed judicial nominees and her appointment, to I think it's; the 5th Circuit. Court of Appeals in New Orleans was confirmed earlier today by, the US Senate That's, sort of why I raised it, How; often do issues--do minors go to court to--... | priscilla owen, i should point out, one of president bush's disputed judicial nominees, and her appointment to, i think it's the 5th circuit court of appeals in new orleans, was confirmed earlier today by the us senate. that's sort of why i raised it. how often do issues--do minors go to court to--... |
No, it's--at least the last numbers I saw were--actually are a few years old, but the law went into effect in '99, and by 2002, it had been used about 500 times, and there's not firm records on that, but that was the best guess that people put together by studying the issue. | no it's--at. least the last numbers i saw. were--actually are a few years old, but the, law went into effect in '99, and by 2002, it had been, used about 500 times and there's not firm, records on that but that was the best guess that people put together by studying the | No it's--at, least the last numbers I saw were--actually are a few years old but the law went into effect in '99, and by 2002, it had been used about 500 times and there's not firm records on that but, that was the best guess that. people put together by. studying the | no, it's--at least the last numbers i saw were--actually are a few years old, but the law went into effect in '99, and by 2002, it had been used about 500 times, and there's not firm records on that, but that was the best guess that people put together by studying the issue. |
And is this a live issue in the state of Texas? | and is this a live issue in the state of | And is this a live issue in, the state. of | and is this a live issue in the state of texas? |
Yes, there's still debate in the Legislature at this point, still bills that have been put as recently as this session that would take it a step further and would require both parents' actual permission. Instead of just being notified, it would require parents to agree to the abortion. | yes there's still debate in the legislature at this point still bills that have been put as. recently as this, session that would take it, a step. further and would require both parents' actual permission instead of just being notified it would require parents to agree to the | Yes there's still debate. in the Legislature at this point still bills that have been. put as recently as this session that, would take it a step further, and would require both parents' actual permission Instead of just being notified it would require parents to agree to the | yes, there's still debate in the legislature at this point, still bills that have been put as recently as this session that would take it a step further and would require both parents' actual permission. instead of just being notified, it would require parents to agree to the abortion. |
Maro Robbins, thanks very much. We appreciate your time today. | maro robbins thanks very much. we appreciate your time | Maro Robbins thanks, very much We appreciate your time | maro robbins, thanks very much. we appreciate your time today. |
Thank you. | thank. | Thank | thank you. |
Maro Robbins covers the courts for the San Antonio Express-News, and he joined us from that paper's bureau in Austin, Texas. | maro robbins, covers the courts for the san antonio, express-news and he joined. us from that paper's. bureau in austin | Maro Robbins covers. the courts, for the San, Antonio Express-News and. he joined us from that paper's bureau in; Austin | maro robbins covers the courts for the san antonio express-news, and he joined us from that paper's bureau in austin, texas. |
When we come back from a short break, we'll talk with parenting experts about how notification laws play out between teens and their families, and really, we want to talk with you about what happens before the law is invoked, about communication with your children, and their communication with you. ... | when we come back from a short break we'll, talk, with parenting experts about, how notification laws, play out between. teens and their families and really we want to. talk with you about what happens, before, the. law is invoked about communication with your children and their communication with y... | When we, come back from a short break we'll talk with parenting experts about how notification laws play out between teens and their families and really we want to, talk with you about what happens before the law is invoked about communication with your, children and their communication with you If... | when we come back from a short break, we'll talk with parenting experts about how notification laws play out between teens and their families, and really, we want to talk with you about what happens before the law is invoked, about communication with your children, and their communication with you. ... |
I'm Neal Conan. We're back after the break. It's TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. | i'm. neal conan we're back after the break it's talk of the nation from npr | I'm Neal Conan We're back after the break It's TALK OF THE NATION from NPR | i'm neal conan. we're back after the break. it's talk of the nation from npr news. |
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This fall, as we mentioned earlier, the Supreme Court will hear arguments in a case involving parental notification laws for girls seeking abortions. The case is likely to arouse political passions on all sides, but that overlooks the far more personal terrain on which each of these decisions is ma... | this fall, as we mentioned earlier the supreme court will hear arguments in a, case involving parental notification laws for girls seeking abortions the case is likely to arouse. political passions on all. sides but. that overlooks the far more personal terrain on which each of these. decisions is ... | This fall as we mentioned earlier the Supreme Court will hear arguments in. a case involving parental notification laws for girls seeking abortions The case is likely to arouse political passions on all sides but that overlooks the far more, personal terrain. on which each of these decisions is mad... | this fall, as we mentioned earlier, the supreme court will hear arguments in a case involving parental notification laws for girls seeking abortions. the case is likely to arouse political passions on all sides, but that overlooks the far more personal terrain on which each of these decisions is ma... |
And joining us now is Sarah Brown, director of the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy. She's talked with many teens and their parents around the delicate issues around an unplanned pregnancy, and she's here with us in Studio 3A. Nice to see you again, Sarah. | and joining us now. is sarah brown director. of the, national campaign to prevent teen pregnancy she's talked with many teens and their parents around the delicate issues around an unplanned pregnancy and she's here with us in studio 3a. nice to see you again | And joining us now; is Sarah Brown director of the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy She's. talked with many teens. and their parents around the delicate issues around, an unplanned pregnancy and she's here with us in Studio 3A Nice to see you, again | and joining us now is sarah brown, director of the national campaign to prevent teen pregnancy. she's talked with many teens and their parents around the delicate issues around an unplanned pregnancy, and she's here with us in studio 3a. nice to see you again, sarah. |
Thanks. | thanks. | ||
What do you hear from teens about this dilemma? | what, do you hear from, teens about this | What do you hear from teens about this | what do you hear from teens about this dilemma? |
Well, the overwhelming report from them is that when they realize they're pregnant and they think they have to reveal that to a parent, they're just terrified. They're scared. They're embarrassed. They're enormously upset. A young woman will commonly say, `I think my parents will kill me.' They m... | well. the overwhelming report from them is that when they realize they're pregnant and they think they have to reveal that to a parent they're just terrified they're scared they're embarrassed they're enormously upset a young woman will commonly say `i think my parents will kill me' they may. not... | Well the, overwhelming report from them is that when they realize they're pregnant and they think they have. to reveal that to a parent they're just terrified They're scared They're embarrassed They're enormously upset. A young woman will commonly say `I think my parents will kill me' They may no... | well, the overwhelming report from them is that when they realize they're pregnant and they think they have to reveal that to a parent, they're just terrified. they're scared. they're embarrassed. they're enormously upset. a young woman will commonly say, `i think my parents will kill me.' they m... |
That's right. Imagine having to say that you're pregnant, and, of course, sort of on the flip side, the parents are often unaware. I mean, the majority of parents particularly of young teens aren't even aware that their children are having sex if they are. So imagine if you're not even aware that ... | that's right imagine having to. say that you're pregnant and of course sort of on the flip side the parents are often unaware i mean the majority of parents particularly of young teens aren't even aware that. their children are having sex if they. are so imagine if you're not even aware that your ... | That's right Imagine having. to say that you're pregnant and of course sort of on the flip side the parents are. often unaware I, mean the majority of parents particularly of young teens aren't even aware that their children are, having sex if they are, So imagine if you're not even aware that; yo... | that's right. imagine having to say that you're pregnant, and, of course, sort of on the flip side, the parents are often unaware. i mean, the majority of parents particularly of young teens aren't even aware that their children are having sex if they are. so imagine if you're not even aware that ... |
What can parents do so that things--obviously, you help people--work to prevent teen-age pregnancies. This is your job in life. | what can parents do so that things--obviously, you help people--work to prevent teen-age pregnancies. this is your job in | What can, parents do so that things--obviously, you help people--work. to prevent teen-age pregnancies This is your job in | what can parents do so that things--obviously, you help people--work to prevent teen-age pregnancies. this is your job in life. |
Right. | right. | ||
How do you work with parents to try to prevent this in the first place? | how do you work with parents to. try. to prevent this in the. first | How do you work with parents, to try to prevent this in the first | how do you work with parents to try to prevent this in the first place? |
Well, I think the principal question a parent has to ask him or herself is: Do I want to be the one that my child can go to if this monster happens, if we have an unintended pregnancy at a young age? And if the answer is yes, as much as it would upset me, as much as it might disappoint me, if I wa... | well i think the principal question a parent has to ask; him or herself is: do i want to be the one that. my child can go. to if this monster, happens if we have an unintended pregnancy at a, young age? and if the answer is yes as much as it would upset me as much; as it might disappoint me if i w... | Well I think the principal question a, parent has, to. ask him, or herself is: Do I want to. be the one that my child can go to if this monster happens if we have an unintended pregnancy at a young age? And if the answer is yes as much as, it would upset me as much as; it might disappoint me if I ... | well, i think the principal question a parent has to ask him or herself is: do i want to be the one that my child can go to if this monster happens, if we have an unintended pregnancy at a young age? and if the answer is yes, as much as it would upset me, as much as it might disappoint me, if i wa... |
So, you know, it's the same old message. Parents have to be parents. They have to know where their young people are, know who their friends are, talk openly and candidly about these issues that face their children, so that when the unexpected happens--and it does--you know, we have about 850,000 pr... | so you know it's the same old message parents have, to be parents they, have to know where their. young people are know who their friends are. talk openly. and candidly about these issues that face their children, so that when the unexpected happens--and it does--you know we, have about 850,000 pre... | So you know it's the same old message Parents have to be parents, They have to, know where their young people are know, who their friends are talk openly and candidly about these issues that face their, children so that when the unexpected happens--and it does--you know; we have about; 850,000 preg... | so, you know, it's the same old message. parents have to be parents. they have to know where their young people are, know who their friends are, talk openly and candidly about these issues that face their children, so that when the unexpected happens--and it does--you know, we have about 850,000 pr... |
We really want to hear from listeners this hour, and let's begin with Terry. Terry's calling us from San Antonio, Texas. | we, really want to hear from listeners this hour and let's begin with terry terry's calling us from san antonio | We really want to hear from. listeners this hour and let's begin with Terry Terry's calling us from, San Antonio | we really want to hear from listeners this hour, and let's begin with terry. terry's calling us from san antonio, texas. |
Good afternoon. | good | Good | good afternoon. |
Afternoon. | afternoon. | ||
What I wanted to share was that some decades ago now, for lack of wanting to reveal my age, I was in a similar situation; doing well in school, first boyfriend, accident; absolutely never occurred to me to discuss this situation with my parents. I knew where they stood on the subject. I knew what ... | what i. wanted to share was that some; decades ago now for lack, of wanting to reveal, my age i was in a similar situation doing well in school first boyfriend accident absolutely never occurred to me to discuss this situation with my parents i. knew where they stood on the, subject i knew what my... | What I wanted to share was that, some decades ago now for lack of wanting to, reveal my age I was in a similar situation doing well in school first boyfriend accident absolutely never occurred to me to discuss this. situation with, my parents I knew where they stood on the subject I knew what my d... | what i wanted to share was that some decades ago now, for lack of wanting to reveal my age, i was in a similar situation; doing well in school, first boyfriend, accident; absolutely never occurred to me to discuss this situation with my parents. i knew where they stood on the subject. i knew what ... |
Ever? | ever? |
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