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Thank you, Joe. | thank you | Thank you | thank you, joe. |
Blake Gopnik is the chief art critic for the Washington Post. He joined us from the Post studios in Washington, D.C. | blake gopnik is the chief art critic for the washington post, he. joined us from the post studios in washington | Blake Gopnik is the chief art critic for the Washington Post He joined us from the Post studios in Washington | blake gopnik is the chief art critic for the washington post. he joined us from the post studios in washington, d.c. |
This is TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. I'm Joe Palca. | this is talk of the nation from npr news i'm joe | This is TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News I'm Joe, | this is talk of the nation from npr news. i'm joe palca. |
You heard Ron talking there about the inevitable comparisons to Watergate which prompted us to wonder how valid are the analogies between what was happening back in the early 1970s and today? So to answer that, we've called someone with firsthand knowledge of the Nixon White House, John Dean. He was White House counsel... | you heard ron talking there. about. the inevitable comparisons to watergate which. prompted us to wonder, how valid are the analogies between what was happening back in the early 1970s and today? so to answer that we've. called someone with. firsthand knowledge of the nixon white house john dean he was white house coun... | You, heard Ron talking there about the inevitable comparisons to Watergate which prompted us to wonder how valid, are the analogies between what was, happening back in the. early 1970s and today? So to answer. that we've called someone with firsthand. knowledge of the Nixon White House John Dean He was White House coun... | you heard ron talking there about the inevitable comparisons to watergate which prompted us to wonder how valid are the analogies between what was happening back in the early 1970s and today? so to answer that, we've called someone with firsthand knowledge of the nixon white house, john dean. he was white house counsel... |
In the decades since, he has served as a banker, an author, and he's become something of an expert on presidential ethics. John Dean is on the line from his home in Beverly Hills, Calif. John, thanks for joining us. | in the decades since he has served as a banker an author and he's become something of, an. expert on presidential; ethics john dean is on the line from his home in beverly hills calif john thanks, for joining | In the decades since he has served as a, banker an author and he's become something of an expert on presidential ethics John Dean is on the line from his. home in, Beverly Hills Calif John thanks for joining | in the decades since, he has served as a banker, an author, and he's become something of an expert on presidential ethics. john dean is on the line from his home in beverly hills, calif. john, thanks for joining us. |
My pleasure. | my | My | my pleasure. |
I have to ask what went through your mind as you watched this week's events unfold? | i have to. ask, what went through your, mind as you watched this week's events | I have to ask what went through your. mind as you watched this week's events | i have to ask what went through your mind as you watched this week's events unfold? |
Well, it's kind of been several weeks where we've had echoes of Watergate at the Comey firing, of course, raised memories for many of the so-called Saturday Night Massacre. There was a difference, but there are some stylistic similarities. The difference being that Archibald Cox, the Watergate prosecutor was openly def... | well it's kind of been. several weeks where we've had echoes of watergate at the comey firing of course raised memories for many of the so-called saturday night massacre there was a difference but. there are some stylistic similarities the, difference being that archibald cox the watergate prosecutor was openly defying... | Well. it's kind of been several weeks. where we've had echoes of Watergate at the Comey firing of course, raised memories for many of the so-called Saturday Night Massacre There was a difference but there are some stylistic similarities The difference being that Archibald Cox the Watergate prosecutor was openly defying... | well, it's kind of been several weeks where we've had echoes of watergate at the comey firing, of course, raised memories for many of the so-called saturday night massacre. there was a difference, but there are some stylistic similarities. the difference being that archibald cox, the watergate prosecutor was openly def... |
President Trump warned Jim Comey yesterday via tweets that Comey had better hope there are no tapes of their conversations which, as you know, one of the legacies of Watergate is that since then, presidents have avoided taping their calls, taping their conversations because they can be subpoenaed. Were you surprised to... | president trump warned jim comey yesterday via tweets that comey had better, hope there are no tapes of their conversations which. as you know one of the legacies, of watergate is that since then presidents have avoided taping their calls taping their conversations because they, can be subpoenaed were you surprised to ... | President Trump warned Jim Comey yesterday via tweets that Comey had, better hope there are no tapes of their conversations which as you know one of the, legacies of Watergate is that since. then presidents have avoided taping their calls taping their conversations because they can be subpoenaed Were you surprised to h... | president trump warned jim comey yesterday via tweets that comey had better hope there are no tapes of their conversations which, as you know, one of the legacies of watergate is that since then, presidents have avoided taping their calls, taping their conversations because they can be subpoenaed. were you surprised to... |
Trump must know - he's old enough to be aware of Watergate that by saying exactly what he said, he's raising that whole specter again. And it's just another comparison with Watergate. And that isn't a comparison most presidents seek to put on their presidency. | trump must know - he's old enough to. be aware; of watergate that by. saying exactly what, he said he's, raising that whole. specter again and it's. just another comparison with watergate and that isn't a comparison most, presidents seek to put on their | Trump must know - he's old enough to be aware of Watergate that by saying exactly what he said he's raising that; whole specter again And it's just another comparison with Watergate And that, isn't a comparison most presidents seek to put on their | trump must know - he's old enough to be aware of watergate that by saying exactly what he said, he's raising that whole specter again. and it's just another comparison with watergate. and that isn't a comparison most presidents seek to put on their presidency. |
As a trained lawyer, what legal questions were raised for you this week? Is there any evidence of the president overstepping his legal authority that you have seen? | as a trained lawyer what legal questions were raised for you this; week? is there any evidence of the, president. overstepping his. legal authority that you. have | As a trained lawyer, what legal questions were raised. for you this week? Is, there any evidence of the president overstepping; his legal authority that you have | as a trained lawyer, what legal questions were raised for you this week? is there any evidence of the president overstepping his legal authority that you have seen? |
I haven't seen a technical violation of any of the statutes, the obstruction statutes or what have you. I have seen a parallel with what ended up in Nixon's articles of impeachment where he was charged with interfering with the FBI investigation. Obviously, removing Comey is not a direct blocking of an investigation, b... | i haven't seen a technical violation of any of the statutes the obstruction statutes or what have you i have seen a parallel. with what ended up in, nixon's articles of impeachment where he was charged with interfering with the. fbi investigation obviously removing comey is not a direct, blocking of an investigation bu... | I haven't seen a technical violation of any of the statutes the obstruction statutes, or what have you I have seen a parallel with what ended up in Nixon's articles of impeachment where, he was charged with interfering. with the. FBI investigation Obviously removing Comey is not a direct blocking of an. investigation b... | i haven't seen a technical violation of any of the statutes, the obstruction statutes or what have you. i have seen a parallel with what ended up in nixon's articles of impeachment where he was charged with interfering with the fbi investigation. obviously, removing comey is not a direct blocking of an investigation, b... |
We last talked to you back in February when everybody was talking about the Monday Night Massacre, which would be when Trump fired than acting Attorney General Sally Yates. Are we going to have a Monday night, a Tuesday night, a Wednesday night... | we, last talked, to. you back in. february when everybody was talking about the; monday, night massacre which; would be when trump fired than acting attorney general sally yates are we going to have a monday night a tuesday night a wednesday | We last talked to you back, in. February when everybody was talking about the Monday Night Massacre which would be when Trump. fired than acting Attorney General Sally Yates Are we going to have a Monday night a Tuesday night a Wednesday, | we last talked to you back in february when everybody was talking about the monday night massacre, which would be when trump fired than acting attorney general sally yates. are we going to have a monday night, a tuesday night, a wednesday night... |
(LAUGHTER) | (laughter) | ||
I mean, is there a point where the analogy gets overblown? | i mean is there a point where the analogy gets | I mean. is. there a point where the analogy gets | i mean, is there a point where the analogy gets overblown? |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
That being noted, do you know anything about the substance of this case? | that being noted do you know anything about the. substance of this | That being noted do. you know anything about the substance of this | that being noted, do you know anything about the substance of this case? |
Substance is that in the beginning they have under pressure, she had made some statements and later when they questioned again, she denied, said that those things that she had said were not right. And, again, when there was a court hearing, Roxana again denied to what (unintelligible). So there was -and it was written ... | substance is that. in the beginning they have under pressure she had made some statements and later when they questioned again she denied, said that those things that she. had said were not right and again when there was a court, hearing roxana again denied to; what (unintelligible). so there was -and it was written in... | Substance is that in the beginning they have under pressure she had made some statements and later when they questioned again she denied said that those things that she had said were not right And again when there was; a court hearing Roxana again denied to what (unintelligible). So there was. -and it was written in th... | substance is that in the beginning they have under pressure, she had made some statements and later when they questioned again, she denied, said that those things that she had said were not right. and, again, when there was a court hearing, roxana again denied to what (unintelligible). so there was -and it was written ... |
This is a difficult question to ask, Mr. Saberi, for all the obvious reasons, but do you have reason to think she was coerced into making statements at any point? | this is a difficult question to ask mr saberi for all, the obvious reasons, but do. you have reason to think she was coerced into; making statements at. any. | This is a. difficult question to ask Mr Saberi for all the obvious reasons but do, you have reason to think she was coerced into making statements at any | this is a difficult question to ask, mr. saberi, for all the obvious reasons, but do you have reason to think she was coerced into making statements at any point? |
Yes, I have. I have reason and she has herself said that, yeah. (unintelligible) was also deceived. She was deceived to talk - they told her that if she says like this they will free her and then they didn't free her. Later she found out that it was a trick, yeah. | yes i have i have reason and she has herself; said that yeah (unintelligible) was also deceived she was deceived to talk - they told her that if she says like this they will free, her and then they didn't free her later she found out that it was a trick | Yes I have I have reason and she has herself said that yeah (unintelligible) was also deceived She was deceived to. talk - they told her that if she, says like this they will, free her and then they didn't free her Later she found out that it was a trick | yes, i have. i have reason and she has herself said that, yeah. (unintelligible) was also deceived. she was deceived to talk - they told her that if she says like this they will free her and then they didn't free her. later she found out that it was a trick, yeah. |
And her lawyer was not allowed to ask for bail. Was he permitted to say anything in her defense? | and her lawyer was not allowed to ask for bail was he permitted to say anything in her | And her, lawyer was not allowed to ask, for bail Was, he permitted to say anything in her | and her lawyer was not allowed to ask for bail. was he permitted to say anything in her defense? |
Her lawyer said that her objection should be written down and signed. And that is all he could say. There was not really, like, defense since - in other courts that he happens to know. They wanted just to speak their own words, yeah. | her lawyer said that her objection should be written down and signed, and that is all he could say there was not really like defense since - in other courts that he, happens, to know they wanted just to speak their own words | Her, lawyer said, that, her objection should be written down and signed And that is. all he could say There was not really like defense since - in other courts that he happens to know They wanted just to speak. their own words | her lawyer said that her objection should be written down and signed. and that is all he could say. there was not really, like, defense since - in other courts that he happens to know. they wanted just to speak their own words, yeah. |
And have the Iranian officials made any of the evidence public? | and have the iranian officials made any of the evidence | And have the Iranian officials made any of, the evidence | and have the iranian officials made any of the evidence public? |
I don't think they have any evidence, and I haven't heard any evidence that can be made public. | i; don't think they have. any evidence and i haven't heard any evidence that can be made | I don't think they have any. evidence and I haven't heard any evidence that, can be made | i don't think they have any evidence, and i haven't heard any evidence that can be made public. |
Forgive me for not knowing, Mr. Saberi. Do you have any legal options? Can you appeal this case? | forgive me for not knowing mr saberi, do you have any legal options? can. you appeal this | Forgive me for not knowing, Mr Saberi Do you have any legal options? Can you appeal this | forgive me for not knowing, mr. saberi. do you have any legal options? can you appeal this case? |
Yes, we can appeal. And we are going to appeal for this case, yeah. | yes we can appeal and we, are going to appeal for this case | Yes we can appeal And we are going to appeal for this case | yes, we can appeal. and we are going to appeal for this case, yeah. |
Do you know how your daughter's doing? Have you been able to see her? | do you know, how your daughter's doing? have you been able to see | Do you. know how your daughter's; doing? Have you been able to, see | do you know how your daughter's doing? have you been able to see her? |
She is very weak and frail last time we saw. And she wanted to go on hunger strike but we persuaded her not to do so. And after this most probably she will, even though when we visit her we want to ask her not to do so. But she is quite depressed about this matter, and she wants to go on hunger strike. And if she does,... | she is very. weak and frail last. time we saw and she wanted to, go on hunger strike but we persuaded her not to do so and after this most probably she will even, though when we. visit her we, want to ask her not to, do so but she is quite depressed, about this matter and she wants to go on, hunger strike and if she. d... | She is very; weak. and frail last. time we saw And she wanted to go on hunger strike, but we persuaded her. not to do so And after this most probably she will even though when we visit her we want to ask her not to do so But she is quite depressed about this matter and she wants to go on hunger strike, And if she does ... | she is very weak and frail last time we saw. and she wanted to go on hunger strike but we persuaded her not to do so. and after this most probably she will, even though when we visit her we want to ask her not to do so. but she is quite depressed about this matter, and she wants to go on hunger strike. and if she does,... |
Reza Saberi joining us from Tehran where Iran's revolutionary court has sentenced his daughter, journalist Roxana Saberi, to eight years in prison. | reza; saberi joining us from tehran where iran's revolutionary court has sentenced his daughter, journalist roxana saberi to eight years in | Reza. Saberi joining us from Tehran where Iran's revolutionary court has sentenced his daughter journalist Roxana Saberi to. eight years in | reza saberi joining us from tehran where iran's revolutionary court has sentenced his daughter, journalist roxana saberi, to eight years in prison. |
NPR's CEO Vivian Schiller has released this statement: We are deeply distressed by this harsh and unwarranted sentence. Ms. Saberi has already endured a form of confinement in Evin prison, and we are deeply concerned for her well-being. Through her work for NPR over several years we know her as an established and respe... | npr's ceo vivian schiller has released this statement: we are deeply distressed by this harsh and unwarranted sentence ms saberi has already endured a. form of confinement in evin prison and, we are deeply concerned for her well-being through her. work for npr. over several years we know her as an established and respe... | NPR's CEO Vivian. Schiller has released this statement: We are deeply distressed by this harsh and unwarranted sentence. Ms Saberi has already endured a; form of confinement in Evin prison and we, are deeply concerned for her well-being Through her work for NPR over several years, we know her; as an established, and re... | npr's ceo vivian schiller has released this statement: we are deeply distressed by this harsh and unwarranted sentence. ms. saberi has already endured a form of confinement in evin prison, and we are deeply concerned for her well-being. through her work for npr over several years we know her as an established and respe... |
For the rest of the hour, we're going to talk about what the melting ice - what of ice melting around the world and these glaciers - what some of that ice might tell us about the origins of life on Earth. Because locked in the ice in Antarctica is sort of a biological catalog. It's a record of the microorganisms that i... | for the. rest of the hour we're going to talk about what the melting ice - what of ice melting around the world and these glaciers - what some of that ice might tell us about, the origins of life on; earth because locked in the. ice in antarctica, is sort of a biological catalog it's a record of the microorganisms that... | For the rest of the hour we're going to; talk about what the melting ice - what of ice melting around the world and these glaciers - what some of that ice, might tell us about the origins of life on Earth Because locked, in the ice in Antarctica, is sort of a biological, catalog It's a record. of the microorganisms tha... | for the rest of the hour, we're going to talk about what the melting ice - what of ice melting around the world and these glaciers - what some of that ice might tell us about the origins of life on earth. because locked in the ice in antarctica is sort of a biological catalog. it's a record of the microorganisms that i... |
To find out, researchers collected samples of ice from glaciers in Antarctica. The ice ranged in age from a hundred thousand years old to eight million years old. They took the ice samples back to the lab, melted the ice, to see if they could get any of the ancient organisms trapped in the ice to grow. What happened? W... | to find out researchers collected; samples of ice from glaciers in antarctica the ice ranged in age from a hundred thousand years old to eight million years old they took, the ice samples back, to the lab melted the ice to see if they could get any of. the ancient organisms trapped in the ice to grow what happened? wel... | To find out researchers collected samples. of ice. from glaciers in, Antarctica The ice. ranged; in age from a hundred thousand years old to eight, million years old They took the ice samples; back to the lab, melted the ice. to see if. they could get any of the ancient organisms trapped in the ice to grow What happene... | to find out, researchers collected samples of ice from glaciers in antarctica. the ice ranged in age from a hundred thousand years old to eight million years old. they took the ice samples back to the lab, melted the ice, to see if they could get any of the ancient organisms trapped in the ice to grow. what happened? w... |
Thanks for talking with us today, Dr. Bidle. | thanks for talking with us today dr | Thanks for, talking with us today Dr | thanks for talking with us today, dr. bidle. |
Oh, my pleasure, Ira. Thanks for the interest. | oh, my pleasure ira thanks for the | Oh my pleasure Ira Thanks for the | oh, my pleasure, ira. thanks for the interest. |
Well, I started you off down there. Tell us what happened when you melted that ice and started to grow, what was in it? | well; i started you off down there tell us what happened when you melted. that ice and started. to grow what was in | Well I started you off down, there Tell us what, happened when you melted that ice and started to grow what was in | well, i started you off down there. tell us what happened when you melted that ice and started to grow, what was in it? |
Well, we actually examined a couple of different types of ice ranging in ages. Well, the youngest was about 100,000 years old and the oldest was about eight million years old, which represents the oldest ice on Earth that we know of. And so we were interested in looking to see if we could find microorganisms encased in... | well we. actually examined a couple of different types of ice ranging in ages well the youngest was about 100,000 years old and the oldest was about eight million years old which represents the oldest ice on earth that we, know of and so we were interested in looking to see, if we could find microorganisms encased in t... | Well, we actually examined a, couple of different types of ice; ranging in ages Well the youngest was about 100,000 years old and the oldest was about eight million years old which represents the oldest ice on Earth that we know. of And, so we were interested in looking to see if. we could. find microorganisms. encased... | well, we actually examined a couple of different types of ice ranging in ages. well, the youngest was about 100,000 years old and the oldest was about eight million years old, which represents the oldest ice on earth that we know of. and so we were interested in looking to see if we could find microorganisms encased in... |
So we melted both of these ices, after, of course, we decontaminated them from potential surface contamination of microbes that are around today. And we first looked to see who was in the ice and who could grow. What we found is that the organisms that were in the ice were a variety of organisms that you would find are... | so we melted both of these ices after of, course we decontaminated them from potential surface contamination of microbes that are around today and we first looked to see who was in the; ice and who could grow what we found is that the organisms that were in the ice were a variety of organisms that you. would find are c... | So we, melted, both of. these ices after of course we decontaminated them, from potential surface contamination of. microbes that are around today And, we first looked to see who was in the ice and who could grow What we found is that the. organisms that were in the ice were a variety of, organisms that you would, find... | so we melted both of these ices, after, of course, we decontaminated them from potential surface contamination of microbes that are around today. and we first looked to see who was in the ice and who could grow. what we found is that the organisms that were in the ice were a variety of organisms that you would find are... |
And that was quite a difference, wasn't it? | and that was; quite a difference. wasn't | And that was quite a difference wasn't | and that was quite a difference, wasn't it? |
Yes, of course. And we sort of expected that type of difference because these two ice samples differ quite dramatically in the amount of time they've been frozen and locked up in the glaciers. And then with that, they would be exposed to different levels of - or doses of cosmic radiation that comes in to the Antarctic.... | yes of course and we sort of expected that type of difference because these two ice samples differ. quite dramatically in. the amount of time they've, been frozen and locked up in the glaciers and then with that they would be exposed to different. levels of - or doses of cosmic radiation that comes. in, to the antarcti... | Yes of course And we sort of expected that type of difference, because these two ice samples differ; quite dramatically in the amount of time they've been frozen and locked up in the glaciers And then with that they would be exposed to different levels of - or doses of cosmic. radiation that. comes in to the Antarctic ... | yes, of course. and we sort of expected that type of difference because these two ice samples differ quite dramatically in the amount of time they've been frozen and locked up in the glaciers. and then with that, they would be exposed to different levels of - or doses of cosmic radiation that comes in to the antarctic.... |
So the cosmic rays sort of disrupted DNA and chop it up. | so the cosmic, rays sort, of disrupted dna and chop it | So the cosmic rays sort of disrupted DNA and chop it | so the cosmic rays sort of disrupted dna and chop it up. |
And so here's a mechanism by which that might be able to happen. And now we're sort of in a position, of course, melting glaciers, as you mentioned, in the lead up, this is a very relevant situation to our current climate. So now we're in a position to actually address this experimentally with some sophisticated techni... | and so, here's a mechanism by which that might be able to happen and now we're, sort of in a position of course melting glaciers as you mentioned in the lead up this is a very relevant situation to our current climate so now we're in a position to actually address this experimentally with. some sophisticated techniques... | And so here's a mechanism by which that might be able to happen And now we're sort of in. a position. of course, melting glaciers as you, mentioned in the lead up this is a very relevant situation to our current climate, So now we're in a position to actually address this experimentally with. some sophisticated, techni... | and so here's a mechanism by which that might be able to happen. and now we're sort of in a position, of course, melting glaciers, as you mentioned, in the lead up, this is a very relevant situation to our current climate. so now we're in a position to actually address this experimentally with some sophisticated techni... |
I don't think that Trump has done a massacre yet. He's done firing. There is a difference, and the reason that the massacre was considered a massacre by Nixon is because he shut down the office. He had - he fired his attorney general, his deputy attorney general. He fired the special prosecutor finally through the soli... | i don't think that trump has done. a massacre. yet he's done firing there is a difference and the reason that the; massacre was considered a massacre by nixon, is because he shut down the office he had - he. fired his attorney general his deputy attorney general he fired the special prosecutor finally through the solic... | I don't think that Trump has done a massacre yet He's done firing There is a difference and the reason that the massacre was considered. a massacre, by Nixon is because he shut down the office, He had - he fired his attorney general his deputy attorney general He fired. the special prosecutor finally; through the solic... | i don't think that trump has done a massacre yet. he's done firing. there is a difference, and the reason that the massacre was considered a massacre by nixon is because he shut down the office. he had - he fired his attorney general, his deputy attorney general. he fired the special prosecutor finally through the soli... |
One last thing I want to ask you, John Dean, the famous phrase there is a cancer on the presidency - that was you describing the Watergate cover up to President Nixon. Is that right? | one last thing i want to ask you john, dean the famous phrase there is a cancer on the presidency - that; was you describing the watergate. cover up to president nixon is that | One last thing. I want, to ask, you John Dean the famous phrase there is a cancer on the presidency; - that was you describing, the Watergate. cover up to President Nixon Is that | one last thing i want to ask you, john dean, the famous phrase there is a cancer on the presidency - that was you describing the watergate cover up to president nixon. is that right? |
I didn't deal with the president on Watergate until eight months into the cover up, if you will. I had been talking to my colleagues about stopping the cover up that I thought it was unwise and was trying to get Nixon out in front of it. When I went in that morning to do it, I wanted to do something that would get his ... | i didn't deal with the president on watergate until eight months into the cover up if you will i had been talking to my colleagues about stopping the cover up, that i thought it was unwise and was trying to get nixon out in front of it, when i went in that morning to do it i wanted to do something that; would get his a... | I didn't deal. with the president on Watergate until eight months into; the. cover up, if you will I had been talking to my colleagues about stopping the cover up that I thought it was unwise. and was trying to get Nixon out in front of, it When I went in, that morning to, do. it I wanted to do something, that would ge... | i didn't deal with the president on watergate until eight months into the cover up, if you will. i had been talking to my colleagues about stopping the cover up that i thought it was unwise and was trying to get nixon out in front of it. when i went in that morning to do it, i wanted to do something that would get his ... |
Well, let me ask you now if you could lean down and whisper into the ear of President Donald Trump something that would get his attention, what would you say? | well let me ask you now if you could, lean down and whisper into the ear of president. donald trump something that would get his attention what would you | Well let me ask you now if you could. lean down and whisper into the ear of President, Donald Trump something that would, get his attention what would you | well, let me ask you now if you could lean down and whisper into the ear of president donald trump something that would get his attention, what would you say? |
I'd tell him he's got a very strong White House counsel's office. Well, it's time to rely on those lawyers to keep himself from getting in trouble. | i'd tell him he's got a very strong white house, counsel's office well it's time, to rely on those lawyers to keep himself from getting in | I'd tell him he's got a, very strong White House counsel's office Well it's time to rely on those lawyers to keep himself from getting in | i'd tell him he's got a very strong white house counsel's office. well, it's time to rely on those lawyers to keep himself from getting in trouble. |
That's advice from John Dean, who served as White House counsel back in the 1970s to President Richard Nixon. John Dean, thanks very much. | that's advice from john dean who served as white house counsel back in the 1970s to president richard, nixon john dean thanks very | That's advice from John Dean who served as White. House counsel. back in the 1970s to President Richard Nixon, John Dean thanks very | that's advice from john dean, who served as white house counsel back in the 1970s to president richard nixon. john dean, thanks very much. |
My pleasure. | my | My | my pleasure. |
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Several of the students at St. Ignatius High School in Cleveland are performing a unique form of community service. They're helping to put people to rest. Students at the school are members of St. Joseph of Arimathea Pallbearer Society. Dan Sklenka is an 11th-grader at St. Ignatius, and he joins us from his home. | several of the students at st ignatius high school in cleveland are performing a; unique form of community service they're helping, to. put people to rest students, at the school. are members of st, joseph of, arimathea pallbearer society dan sklenka is. an 11th-grader at st ignatius and he joins us from, his | Several of the students at St Ignatius High School in Cleveland are performing a unique form of community, service They're helping to put people to rest. Students at, the school are members of. St Joseph of Arimathea Pallbearer Society Dan Sklenka is an 11th-grader at St, Ignatius and he joins us from his | several of the students at st. ignatius high school in cleveland are performing a unique form of community service. they're helping to put people to rest. students at the school are members of st. joseph of arimathea pallbearer society. dan sklenka is an 11th-grader at st. ignatius, and he joins us from his home. |
Mr. Sklenka, thanks very much for being with us. | mr, sklenka thanks very much for being with | Mr Sklenka thanks very much for being with | mr. sklenka, thanks very much for being with us. |
(Student, St. Ignatius High School): Thank you for having me. | (student st ignatius high school): thank. you, for having | (Student St Ignatius High School): Thank you for; having | (student, st. ignatius high school): thank you for having me. |
And you're a pallbearer at the funerals of a lot of people who are strangers to you. | and you're, a pallbearer at the funerals of a, lot. of people who are. strangers to | And you're a pallbearer at the funerals of a lot of; people who are strangers to | and you're a pallbearer at the funerals of a lot of people who are strangers to you. |
Yes, that's right. We have just about 200 students who volunteer freely of their time to attend funerals for the poor and destitute of our city. | yes that's. right we have just about 200 students who volunteer freely of their time to attend. funerals for the poor and destitute of our | Yes that's right We; have just about 200 students who volunteer freely of their time to; attend funerals for the poor; and destitute of our. | yes, that's right. we have just about 200 students who volunteer freely of their time to attend funerals for the poor and destitute of our city. |
So these are people who don't have families to be there for them. | so these are people who. don't have families to be, there for | So these are people who, don't. have families to be there for | so these are people who don't have families to be there for them. |
No. Either they don't have any surviving family members, or the ones that are there are very few in number, or just too sickly or elderly to carry them to their resting place. | no either they don't have any, surviving family members or the ones. that, are, there. are very few in number or just too sickly or elderly to carry them to their resting | No Either they don't have any, surviving family members or the ones, that are there are very few in number or just too sickly or elderly to. carry them to their resting | no. either they don't have any surviving family members, or the ones that are there are very few in number, or just too sickly or elderly to carry them to their resting place. |
Yeah. What are these funerals like? What are some of your memories. | yeah what are these funerals like? what are some of your | Yeah What are these funerals like? What are some of your | yeah. what are these funerals like? what are some of your memories. |
My very first funeral, there were only two family members surviving. Both were in wheelchairs, a daughter and granddaughter. We went to the funeral home, prayed in front of the casket, carried the lady to the hearse, attended the funeral mass, and after that to the cemetery, and we laid her to rest there. | my, very first funeral there were only two family members surviving both were in wheelchairs a daughter and granddaughter we went to the. funeral home prayed in front of the casket carried the lady to the hearse attended the funeral mass and after that to the cemetery and we laid her to rest | My very, first funeral there were only. two family members surviving Both were in; wheelchairs a daughter and granddaughter We went. to the funeral home prayed in front of the casket carried the lady to the hearse attended the funeral mass and after that to the cemetery and. we laid, her to rest | my very first funeral, there were only two family members surviving. both were in wheelchairs, a daughter and granddaughter. we went to the funeral home, prayed in front of the casket, carried the lady to the hearse, attended the funeral mass, and after that to the cemetery, and we laid her to rest there. |
How did this begin, Mr. Sklenka? Do you know? | how did this begin mr; sklenka? do you | How did this begin. Mr Sklenka? Do you | how did this begin, mr. sklenka? do you know? |
The society moderator, Mr. Jim Skerl, started this four years ago. They had two funerals then, and as of today, we're up to 71 funerals. Burying the dead is one of the Seven Corporal Works of Mercy in the Catholic Church. And our school really revolves around doing service in the community. And this was one of things t... | the society moderator mr, jim skerl started this four years ago they had two funerals then and as of today we're up to 71 funerals burying the dead is one of the seven corporal works. of mercy, in the catholic church and our school, really revolves around doing service in the community and this was one of things, that ... | The society moderator Mr Jim Skerl started this four years ago They had two funerals. then and as; of today we're up to 71 funerals Burying the dead is one of the, Seven Corporal. Works of Mercy. in the Catholic Church And our. school really revolves around doing service in, the community And this was. one of things th... | the society moderator, mr. jim skerl, started this four years ago. they had two funerals then, and as of today, we're up to 71 funerals. burying the dead is one of the seven corporal works of mercy in the catholic church. and our school really revolves around doing service in the community. and this was one of things t... |
Could we have a refresher on all those Corporal Works of Mercy? | could we have a refresher on all those corporal works of | Could we. have a refresher on all. those Corporal Works of | could we have a refresher on all those corporal works of mercy? |
We have feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, clothe the naked, provide home for the homeless, care for the sick, visit the imprisoned, and bury the dead. | we have feed the hungry give, drink to the thirsty clothe the naked provide, home for the homeless care for the sick visit the imprisoned and bury the | We have, feed the hungry give drink to the thirsty clothe the naked provide home for the, homeless care for the sick visit the imprisoned; and. bury. the. | we have feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, clothe the naked, provide home for the homeless, care for the sick, visit the imprisoned, and bury the dead. |
Do you learn things about the people you help put to rest? | do you. learn things about the people you help put to | Do you learn things; about. the people you help. put to; | do you learn things about the people you help put to rest? |
We do. The most recent one I did, we learned that this lady had been a very avid participant in her church choir. She sang every Christmas, Oh Holy Night. And we really just learned a lot about these peoples' stories, of their lives. This one, her husband left her after her son was born. A past one, the lady had served... | we do the most; recent one i did we learned that this lady had been a very avid participant in her church choir she sang every christmas oh holy night and we really just learned, a lot about these. peoples' stories of their lives this one her husband left. her after her son was born a past one the lady had served durin... | We do, The most recent one; I. did. we learned that, this lady had been a very avid participant in her church choir She sang every Christmas Oh Holy Night. And we really just learned a lot about these peoples' stories of their lives This one her. husband left her after her son was born A past one the lady had served du... | we do. the most recent one i did, we learned that this lady had been a very avid participant in her church choir. she sang every christmas, oh holy night. and we really just learned a lot about these peoples' stories, of their lives. this one, her husband left her after her son was born. a past one, the lady had served... |
Mr. Sklenka, thank you very much. | mr sklenka thank you very | Mr, Sklenka thank you very, | mr. sklenka, thank you very much. |
Thank you very much, Mr. Simon. | thank you very much mr | Thank you very much Mr | thank you very much, mr. simon. |
And very good talking to you. | and very good talking to | And very good talking to, | and very good talking to you. |
Nice talking to you too, sir. | nice talking to you too | Nice talking to you too | nice talking to you too, sir. |
Dan Sklenka is a member of the St. Joseph of Arimathea Pallbearer Society at St. Ignatius High School in Cleveland. | dan, sklenka, is a member of the st joseph of arimathea, pallbearer society at st ignatius high school in | Dan Sklenka is a member of the St, Joseph of Arimathea Pallbearer, Society, at St Ignatius High School in | dan sklenka is a member of the st. joseph of arimathea pallbearer society at st. ignatius high school in cleveland. |
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Following a week of attacks from the right and indictments from a federal prosecutor, President Bush this weekend is searching for a new nominee to sit on the Supreme Court and Vice President Dick Cheney needs a new chief of staff. Mr. Bush's choice to replace Sandra Day O'Connor on the high court,... | following a week of attacks from the right and indictments; from a federal prosecutor president bush this weekend is searching for, a new nominee to. sit on the, supreme, court and vice president dick cheney needs a new chief of staff mr bush's choice to replace sandra day o'connor on the high cour... | Following a week; of. attacks from. the right and indictments from a federal prosecutor President Bush this weekend is searching for a new nominee to sit on the Supreme; Court and Vice President Dick Cheney needs a, new chief of staff Mr Bush's choice to replace Sandra Day. O'Connor on the, high co... | following a week of attacks from the right and indictments from a federal prosecutor, president bush this weekend is searching for a new nominee to sit on the supreme court and vice president dick cheney needs a new chief of staff. mr. bush's choice to replace sandra day o'connor on the high court,... |
Welcome back, Doyle. | welcome back | Welcome back | welcome back, doyle. |
Good morning, Liane. | good morning | Good morning | good morning, liane. |
Lots to talk about this morning. Let's start with the indictment of Scooter Libby. He took the brunt of the charges from the grand jury, but Karl Rove, the White House deputy chief of staff and Mr. Bush's closest political adviser, is still being investigated. The White House is saying it's going... | lots to. talk about. this morning. let's start with the indictment of, scooter libby he took the brunt of the. charges. from. the grand jury but karl rove the white house deputy chief of staff and mr. bush's closest political. adviser is still being investigated. the white house is saying it's go... | Lots to, talk. about this, morning. Let's start with the, indictment of Scooter Libby He took the brunt of the charges. from the grand jury, but Karl Rove the White House deputy chief of staff and Mr Bush's closest political adviser is still being investigated The White House is, saying it's goin... | lots to talk about this morning. let's start with the indictment of scooter libby. he took the brunt of the charges from the grand jury, but karl rove, the white house deputy chief of staff and mr. bush's closest political adviser, is still being investigated. the white house is saying it's going... |
Historian Dan Carter says the appeal has nothing to do with political ideology. | historian dan carter says the appeal has nothing to, do with political | Historian Dan Carter says the, appeal has nothing to do with, political | historian dan carter says the appeal has nothing to do with political ideology. |
This is about style. It's about impressions. It's about a kind of vague taking charge. | this is about style it's about impressions it's. about a kind of. vague taking | This is about style It's, about impressions It's about a kind of, vague taking | this is about style. it's about impressions. it's about a kind of vague taking charge. |
That's right. So one of the things that we looked at in the paper was to examine the state of the DNA locked up in ices of various ages ranging from those 100,000 years to 8,000,000-year range. And we found that the longer you are exposed over geologic time, you do have much more degraded or deteriorated DNA. In the ol... | that's, right, so one of the things that we looked at in the paper was to examine the state of the dna; locked, up in ices of various ages ranging from those 100,000 years to 8,000,000-year range and we found that the longer you are exposed, over geologic time you do have much more degraded or deteriorated dna in the o... | That's right, So one of the things that we looked at. in the. paper was to. examine, the state of the DNA locked up in ices of various; ages ranging from those 100,000 years to 8,000,000-year range And we found that the longer you are exposed over geologic time you do have much more degraded or deteriorated DNA In the ... | that's right. so one of the things that we looked at in the paper was to examine the state of the dna locked up in ices of various ages ranging from those 100,000 years to 8,000,000-year range. and we found that the longer you are exposed over geologic time, you do have much more degraded or deteriorated dna. in the ol... |
So that argue - the argument is made in your paper that possibly the theory that's been around for a while, circulating around, that life on Earth might have been seeded with bacteria or life forms from outer space. | so that argue - the argument is made in your paper that possibly the theory that's been around for, a while. circulating around that life on earth might have been seeded with bacteria or life forms from, outer | So that argue - the argument is made in your paper that possibly the theory that's been around for a, while circulating around that life on Earth might have been seeded with bacteria or life forms from outer | so that argue - the argument is made in your paper that possibly the theory that's been around for a while, circulating around, that life on earth might have been seeded with bacteria or life forms from outer space. |
Right. | right. | ||
You sort of have thrown cold water on that a bit because the DNA is so disrupted after all those years, or the exposure to all that cosmic radiation. | you sort of. have thrown cold water on that a bit because, the dna. is, so disrupted after all those years or the exposure to all that cosmic | You sort of have thrown cold water on that a, bit because the DNA is so disrupted after all those; years or the exposure to all that. cosmic | you sort of have thrown cold water on that a bit because the dna is so disrupted after all those years, or the exposure to all that cosmic radiation. |
That's right. Yeah. So what we were able to do in this study was to at least get a relationship for the rate at which DNA degrades over geologic time. And so what we were able to get is sort of a half-life or a time over which a piece of DNA would be chopped in half. And that was about 1.1 million years, based on our d... | that's. right yeah so, what we were able to do in this study was to at least get a relationship. for the rate at which dna degrades over geologic time and. so what we, were able to get is sort of a half-life or a, time over which a piece of dna, would. be chopped in half and that was about; 1.1 million years based on o... | That's right Yeah So what we were able to do in this study, was to at least get a relationship for the rate at which DNA degrades. over geologic, time And so what we were able to get is sort of a. half-life or a time over which a piece of DNA. would be, chopped in half And that was about, 1.1 million years based on our... | that's right. yeah. so what we were able to do in this study was to at least get a relationship for the rate at which dna degrades over geologic time. and so what we were able to get is sort of a half-life or a time over which a piece of dna would be chopped in half. and that was about 1.1 million years, based on our d... |
Right. | right. | ||
And our buried glaciers in this environment are also dirty ice packs as well. So, what that allows us to do is severely constrain the possibility that a comet from a different solar system may have traveled into our solar system and it would, of course, have been exposed to even higher levels of cosmic radiation in out... | and our buried glaciers in this environment are also dirty, ice packs as well so what, that allows us to, do. is severely constrain the possibility that a comet from a different solar system may have traveled into our solar system and it would of course have been exposed to even higher levels of cosmic radiation in out... | And our buried glaciers in this environment are also dirty ice packs as well So what that allows, us. to do is severely constrain the possibility that a comet from. a different. solar system may have traveled into our solar, system and it would of course have been exposed to even higher levels of cosmic radiation, in o... | and our buried glaciers in this environment are also dirty ice packs as well. so, what that allows us to do is severely constrain the possibility that a comet from a different solar system may have traveled into our solar system and it would, of course, have been exposed to even higher levels of cosmic radiation in out... |
So it couldn't seed - sort of seed life here on Earth. | so it couldn't seed - sort of seed life here on | So it couldn't seed - sort of seed life here on | so it couldn't seed - sort of seed life here on earth. |
Right. So one of the things that we argue in the paper is that it's still possible for life to have come from, you know, other planets within our solar system, for example, but it constrains the possibility of things coming in from outside of solar system, for example. | right so, one of the. things that we argue in the. paper is that it's still possible for life to have come from you. know other planets; within, our solar system for example but it, constrains the possibility of things coming in from outside of solar system for | Right So one. of the things that we argue in the, paper is that it's still possible, for life to have come from you know other planets within our solar, system for example but it constrains the possibility of things coming in, from outside of solar system for; | right. so one of the things that we argue in the paper is that it's still possible for life to have come from, you know, other planets within our solar system, for example, but it constrains the possibility of things coming in from outside of solar system, for example. |
Now, the fact that some of the - the hundred-thousand-year-old DNA and the organisms are pretty viable. | now the fact, that, some of the - the hundred-thousand-year-old dna and the organisms are pretty | Now the fact that some of the - the, hundred-thousand-year-old DNA and the organisms are pretty. | now, the fact that some of the - the hundred-thousand-year-old dna and the organisms are pretty viable. |
Right. | right. | ||
Does that mean we're going to see, as these ice - polar ice caps melt, or ice around the world melts in different places and different glaciers, a pooling and mixing in of these ancient bacteria with modern day bacteria? | does that mean, we're going to see as these ice - polar ice caps melt or ice around the. world melts in different places and different glaciers; a pooling and mixing in of these ancient bacteria with modern day | Does that mean we're going to see as these ice - polar ice caps melt or. ice around the world melts in different places and different glaciers a pooling. and mixing in of these ancient bacteria, with modern day | does that mean we're going to see, as these ice - polar ice caps melt, or ice around the world melts in different places and different glaciers, a pooling and mixing in of these ancient bacteria with modern day bacteria? |
Yeah, very, very likely. So in those ices of different ages, you do have both viable microorganisms that we detected and actually show in the paper, but as well as a whole mix of genomic information. And in the paper, we sort of refer to these things as gene popsicles. So basically, you would have encased ancient DNA o... | yeah very very likely so in those ices of different, ages you, do have both viable microorganisms that we detected and actually, show in the paper but as well as a whole, mix of genomic information. and in the paper we sort of refer to these things, as gene popsicles so basically you would have encased. ancient dna, of... | Yeah very very likely So in those ices of different ages you. do have both viable, microorganisms that we detected and actually show in, the paper but as well as a whole mix of genomic information And; in the paper we sort; of refer to these things as gene. popsicles So basically you would have encased ancient DNA of s... | yeah, very, very likely. so in those ices of different ages, you do have both viable microorganisms that we detected and actually show in the paper, but as well as a whole mix of genomic information. and in the paper, we sort of refer to these things as gene popsicles. so basically, you would have encased ancient dna o... |
But this is one of the primary ways by which microorganisms on the planet gain new traits and evolve. So this melting would not only potentially add viable members to a community, but also significantly affect the tempo of microbial evolution on the planet. | but this, is one of the. primary ways by which microorganisms, on the planet gain, new traits and evolve so this melting would not only potentially add viable members to. a community but also significantly affect the tempo of; microbial evolution, on the | But. this is, one of the primary ways by which microorganisms on the planet gain new traits, and evolve So this melting would not only potentially add viable members to a community but also significantly affect the tempo of microbial evolution on the | but this is one of the primary ways by which microorganisms on the planet gain new traits and evolve. so this melting would not only potentially add viable members to a community, but also significantly affect the tempo of microbial evolution on the planet. |
Talking about microbes in ancient ice this hour on TALK OF THE NATION: SCIENCE FRIDAY from NPR News. Talking with Kay Bidle, assistant professor of marine and coastal sciences at Rutgers University. | talking, about microbes in ancient ice, this hour on talk of the nation: science. friday from npr news talking. with. kay bidle, assistant professor of marine and coastal sciences at rutgers | Talking about. microbes, in ancient ice this hour on TALK OF THE NATION: SCIENCE FRIDAY from NPR News Talking with Kay. Bidle assistant professor. of marine and coastal sciences at Rutgers, | talking about microbes in ancient ice this hour on talk of the nation: science friday from npr news. talking with kay bidle, assistant professor of marine and coastal sciences at rutgers university. |
Who came up with this popsicle name? That's an interesting name. | who came up with this popsicle name? that's an interesting | Who came up with this popsicle name? That's, an interesting | who came up with this popsicle name? that's an interesting name. |
The gene popsicle? | the gene; | The gene, | the gene popsicle? |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
Well… | well… | ||
It's a vision you could actually see. Is it actually shaped like a popsicle? | it's a vision you could actually. see is it actually shaped like a | It's a vision, you could. actually see Is it actually shaped like a | it's a vision you could actually see. is it actually shaped like a popsicle? |
Like a popsicle on a stick? | like a. popsicle on, a | Like. a popsicle on a | like a popsicle on a stick? |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
No, of course not. | no, of course | No of course | no, of course not. |
Okay. | okay. |
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