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5359037c61a5-13 | like we do. Small mouth noises which then move as sound, uh, across space, uh, in the form of vibrations of the air. Rather they actually change their appearance in accordance with their linguistic intent. What this boils down to is they physically become their meaning. And one octopus observing another, it is watching... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Experiment+at+Petaluma |
5359037c61a5-14 | water where very little light reaches, uh, they have evolved, uh, light-emitting phosphorescent organs. Some of them with membranes like eyelids over them, so that even in the darkness of the abyssal depth of the ocean they can carry out this dance of light, self-enfoldment, color change and surface texture that is the... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Experiment+at+Petaluma |
5359037c61a5-15 | uh, the grammar and syntax of, uh, squids and octopi. | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Experiment+at+Petaluma |
5359037c61a5-16 | Yes, that's right. Because, uh, operationally what these psychedelics do is they dissolve cultural conditioning. Cultural conditioning is like software, but beneath the software is the hardware of brain and organism. And by dissolving the cultural conditioning to speak English, German, Swahili or whatever then one retu... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Experiment+at+Petaluma |
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5d598e4aeef5-1 | All of this would have been fine. It could have gone on for millions of years in this climaxed situation. The orgies were lunar, meaning they probably occurred every two weeks, or at most every 28 days. That means every 28 days every member of this society was completely dissolving and psychic structures that may have ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-2 | the end of the Genesis story it says, uh, “and God set an angel at the Eastern gate of Eden with a flaming sword so that Adam and his children could not find their way back into Paradise.“ That’s the memory of the Saharan sun scorching off the African veldt and forcing those mushroom-using pastoralists to settle in the... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-3 | isn’t fully dressed unless the gown is by Dior. So there are different styles of clothing, and there are different styles of mental clothing in the form of drugs. And these drugs promote different kinds of cultural values. And what happened in that African situation was a tragedy that in a way we have seen enacted in m... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-4 | you could have your mushroom, hum, orgies less frequently, or you could created some kind of technology for preserving the mushrooms so that when you found a lot of them you could save some of them for dry spells, literally for dry spells. Uh, now the problem with this is strategy is that in a world without refrigerati... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-5 | alcohol. The impact on a goddess-worshiping, orgiastic, non-hierarchical, non-male dominant culture of switching over to an- to the use of alcohol is absolutely devastating. In the same way that I told you what psilocybin did – improves visual acuity, promotes sexual activity, delivers a religious experience – we can t... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-6 | Well, uh, I want to say more about it. That isn’t the whole story. That could be the whole story, I mean there’s enough in that for it to be the whole story. In other words, if it’s true that the mushroom, uh, you know, suppresses male dominance, it it in facts promotes communal values, and so forth… what a wonderful t... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-7 | talk about a superb psychedelic drug. And so they’re saying “oh well, so this guy advocates the use of a superb psychedelic drug, seems reasonable or unreasonable“ depending on where you went to church. But it’s not that paradigm-challenging. But what is paradigm-challenging is the content of the experience. The conten... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-8 | went through. And it isn’t even an encounter with the miserable memories of the battered childhood of the human species that we all went through: Allah, Carl Jung. What, uh, that is all there, but that’s in the hallway where you hang your hat and the antechamber where they take your coat. The main event, folks, doesn’t... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-9 | haven’t discovered anything. You’ve just showed in the middle of their scene [audience laughter] with a distorted rap sort of like Christopher Columbus. And this is what we find with the psychedelics. | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-10 | And this is why shamanism becomes, to my mind, the bridge to understanding what this archaic revival is all about. The shamanic hallucinogens are the, uh, the, uh, the meat of the thing, the pith essence, the center of the mandala. But the bridge into that is, uh, the effects that these things have. The content. The ex... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-11 | Reservation in Washington, when you realize what this really means, then you realize, you know, this is a- this is a mad species. This is a terminally depraved species. And what is required is a return to a model that can heal. And this is what shamanism has always been about. And we have not recognized it, because the... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-12 | 120 to 350 pounds of meat somewhere in the Universe. But that isn’t the domain of humaneness. The true domain of humaneness is inclusive of that, and much, much more. Because the true domain of humaneness is a domain that honors the mind as- as self and as landscape. I mean, you are a creature loose in a landscape of m... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-13 | fixes, and people peddling all of these things. I mean you’ve just been through the aisles, you know what I’m talking about. But somehow, salvation itself becomes an impediment to salvation. I mean once you see 500 forms of salvation being sold at prices you can’t afford, the very notion of salvation becomes obscene, y... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-14 | to break its laws. Now, that’s a little more serious. And, you know, brings in big philosophical issues. But in fact, the culture is an enormous arrow pointing “go this way.“ And you know what lies that way? Impoverishment, madness, degradation, and death. That’s where the culture is pointing. You can see it. You can s... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-15 | single 500 gamma dose of LSD. Well, now for heaven’s sake, nobody is suggesting that LSD is a cure for alcoholism. That, to me, is absurd. It’s not a cure for alcoholism, it’s a cure for stupidity [audience laughter]. And a person who is killing themselves by drinking themselves to death, takes 500 mickes of LSD and sa... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-16 | The- the male-dominant, uh, agenda is so fragile that any competitor is felt as a deadly foe. And the fact that these ideas will not die in spite of the fact that, you know, they’ve raised the price of an ounce of weed from $15 to $500, they’ve made the pinch for growing weed a slut from a slap on the wrist to lose eve... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-17 | [audience giggle], but those are like generalizations. What is really interesting about the psychedelic experience is it shows you a mental universe that you not only suspected existed but that you could not have suspected it existed. I don’t think there’s another way to it. I mean I’m not ready to categorically say th... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-18 | and psilocybin, uh, I can show how to do that naturally.“ No thank you, are you kidding [audience giggle]? Thank God, I have the drug as a kind of marker [audience giggle], so that I know when I’m getting close to that stuff. If I woke up one morning in that place [audience giggle] and I couldn’t tell myself I’ve taken... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-19 | that you can’t do it unless you have help from someone whose idea of home is a cow flop [audience laughter and applause]. If you’re willing to humble yourself to that degree. Then maybe we can get somewhere. Uh, the content of the psychedelic experience is, uh, I believe, uh [long pause], relating to that is the sum to... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-20 | built are tremendous, uh, compressions of the reality of the situation. I mean, uh, when someone tells me that experienced a past life regression and that they were a butcher in 13th century Florence, I always think to myself “but you were a butcher in 13th century everywhere. And you were a butcher in 14th century eve... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-21 | as, uh, a female entelechy. An enclosing, nurturing, caring, forgiving kind of entelechy. And this is what, um, psychedelic shamanism has always been about. It’s about a connection to the Gaian mind. And this gives you, obviously, a tremendous sense of being embedded in a larger coherency than merely the coherency of y... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-22 | connect to in the act of curing, in the act of functioning as doctors for their society. They get a connection for the Gaian mind. And, again at this point I feel like I have to remind you, I come to this as a sceptic, as a sneerer. I mean I have no time for this stuff unless it’s real. It happens to be real. You have ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-23 | to them and giving them messages about how to live, you instinctively consent, this is something to be very, very careful with. You give that rap to the wrong person and they’ll drop a net over you and you’ll find stuffing envelopes for a convalescent home or something [audience laughter]. Okay, so that’s part of it. T... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-24 | And then the other, uh, pole or the other motif encountered in this situation is, uh, trickier to envision. I call it the transcendental object at the end of time. This, if we were, you know, fanatically symmetrical model-makers then we would assign a kind of masculine value to this, but I’m not particularly into that.... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-25 | of evolution where everything is pushed from behind. In Darwinian evolution, there is no purpose. A good Darwinist never lets the word purpose cross his lips. A good Darwinist knows that things just happen randomly, and then natural selection makes its selection and then you get whatever you get. Uh, and this is unders... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-26 | the time to look up all this botanical and pharmacological data. So I’m like a clearinghouse. But then there’s another thing which I do which I’m a little more nervous and touchy about, which is I tell you what I think [audience giggle]. And it’s just what I think. It has exactly that much weight behind it, which is li... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-27 | Uh, but whatever you call it, it’s an attractor. It lies ahead of us in the future, and all of human history is being channeled toward it. Pulled toward it. And I see the entire history of the Universe as the history of a journey across a landscape of energy and matter toward union with this transcendental object. And ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-28 | + audience laughter] By novelty I mean something that has never been seen before. Something unique. The new connection. I always think of the symbolist poet Lautreamont [sp?] who said “I am fascinated by the kind of beauty that arises when a bicycle meets a sewing machine on an operating table.“ Now, that’s novelty, fo... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-29 | mean, if you can believe that, what in the world would you balk at for trying as well [audience laughter]. I mean that is the limit case for credibility. So, science tells us that the Universe sprang from nothing in a single instant, and that it was very hot, very hot [audience laughter]. So there were no molecules suc... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-30 | millions of years pass. Then we get the carbon molecule cooked out of new stars. It has a six valence structure, so that, uh, we get organic molecules. Well then, quickly, we get long chain polymers. Very quickly then, long chain polymers that can copy themselves. And after- and that becomes primitive life. And at that... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-31 | anything else in nature.“ And we 20th century human beings are more novel, more interconnected, more complex, and in possession of more and different kinds of knowledge than most of the people who preceded us. So, this, uh, growing toward complexity seems to be what the Universe is all about. Now, it doesn’t go on for ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-32 | the future. And we as psychedelic people have an obligation upon ourselves to anticipate and to help realize, uh, uh, this future. It is upon us. Every messiah, every religious ontology, every, uh, manager of every booth that this exhibit is reflecting a distorted scintilla of the spiritual reality of the transcendenta... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-33 | is the moving image of eternity.“ That moving image of eternity can be beheld in the silent darkness of the mind, on five grams of psilocybin [audience giggle]. And if you think the Universe is mundane, if you think there are no more frontiers to cross, no more adventures to be had, I’m telling you you can turn your li... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
5d598e4aeef5-34 | don’t drop the ball. Every pogrom, every instance of racial, sexual or minority persecution can be redeemed if we give the human adventure meaning. And we give it meaning by discovering the totality within ourselves and then amplifying it for each other. And this dissolves boundaries, empowers the weak, uh, enlightens ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Mind+%26+Time%2C+Spirit+%26+Matter |
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e3db64d23a60-1 | That’s right. You can’t take a car where there are no roads. When cars were first invented, the main objection to them was, "What are you going to do with this thing? It can’t go where a horse can go, so what good is it?" Um, so here's a fantasy scenario which, for a while, I liked very much. It’s that quantum physics ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-2 | It seems to me in the very next millisecond, thousands of time machines would begin arriving from the future simply because they had driven to the end of the road. They had come back in time to witness the first journey into the future. It’s as though you could take your Piper Cub and fly it to Kitty Hawk, North Caroli... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-3 | don’t exist, and some science fiction authors have assumed that somehow massive influxes of synchronicity would preserve your grandfather. You know, you would approach him with your Saturday night special, but it would blow up in your hand or it would ricochet off the St. Christopher medal he always wore [audience laug... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-4 | an international collaboration gave a convincing rebuttal of the grandfather paradox arguments. Another respected group suggested time machines that exploit quantum mechanical time uncertainty. The technical requirements for these suggestions exceed our present capabilities, but each new approach seems less onerous tha... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-5 | it contains a vacuum. At one end of the cylinder, we have a valve and the valve is connected to a line, which is connected to a tank of some inert gas – say, nitrogen. So, we open the valve to let the nitrogen rush into the cylinder, uh, that previously was a vacuum. Now, what happens inside that cylinder, I think, is ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-6 | Now, think of our world in the late 1990s, uh, as a, uh, sphere or a cylinder of that sort and think of cultures as gasses at various pressures. And, let’s assign low pressures to the bare-assed folks in the Amazon and eastern Indonesia and let’s assign high pressures to the folks in Manhattan and at Cal Tech and Cambr... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-7 | Okay. Let me -- I’m close to question time. Let me press forward relentlessly here because the coffee is running out. I can feel it. [Audience laughs] The equilibrium density is dropping. Okay. So, we send the Lady Temponaut into the future, but now with what we know about the equalization of high cultures vs. low in... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-8 | to avoid all the paradoxes that would prevail if there were any extension to the post time travel era beyond the moment of its inception. So, uh, this is a -- this is a way of, in a sense, forcing the evolution of, uh, the universe and it creates the phase transition of the eschaton. And, us, is, to my mind -- it cre... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-9 | which he had scrawled some equations. And, he had reached the conclusion in the week before that they were not sure how high the temperature would go when they triggered this device and Fermi had some back-of-the-envelope calculations which caused him to believe that the nitrogen in the atmosphere of the planet would b... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-10 | So, let me see if I’ve got some notes here. I think I’ve covered everything. What’s interesting about this is, for the first time… In this article by Frank Tipler called, "The Omega Point as Eschaton," he seems - and this is why Paul is here and I couldn’t really get into it 'cause it’s crazy to repeat what you can’t u... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-11 | Now, for a long time, a while, this was thought to be entirely a kind of a theoretical construct. But, then it was noticed that the theoretical models of black holes, which we referred to a few days ago, seem to imply that no radiation could leave a black hole and yet certain kinds of black holes were observed to be gi... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-12 | Well, now, an interesting thing about these vacuum fluctuations is that quantum physics places no upper limit on the size of a vacuum fluctuation. What it says is that the smaller the vacuum fluctuation, the fewer particles that are involved, the more likely the vacuum fluctuation is. And, obviously, from observing bla... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-13 | and what this sets us up for is the possibility allowed by this interpretation of quantum physics that the entire universe could disappear instantly; not gradually. You wouldn’t see the stars going out, but the -- because this is all happening in a hyperspace of some sort which treats this manifold as a point-like enti... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-14 | all particles except photons is that you would suddenly have a universe made of nothing but light. Nothing but light! We then have to model the physics of a universe where the only kinds of particles that exist are light. Well, it’s interesting that all these human traditions of transcendentalism make a big deal about ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-15 | And, I am not physicist enough by a long shot to say what the behavior of a universe made of light would be, but I do know enough to say that, if you or I were made of light, uh, our subjective experience of the universe would be ruled by relativistic physics. And, we would have the impression that we could go anywhere... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-16 | enough energy to propel it. But, a photon never moves slower than the speed of light. It never moves faster than the speed of light either. So, the photon - if you were made of photons and you went from here to Zubenelgenubi, let's say, a star in our galaxy with a wonderful name, uh, your impression of the travel time ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-17 | they’re happening all the time from the point of view of physics. Inside our body there are trillions of these virtual, um, reactions occurring all the time and they can be intercepted. I mean, you can have a -- a gamma ray break into a particle and an anti-particle, and you can intercept before they come back together... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-18 | You mean that we are in a vacuum fluctuation? [Audience] – No, it's just that there’s nothing here. I mean, there is nothing before the big bang and there’s nothing after. This sounds like Buddhism. [Audience] – A vacuum fluctuation includes everything; good/evil, male/female, the whole thing added together like a z... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-19 | Uh, we could -- and we are tremendously under the spell of this illusion. I mean, we worry about ‘the’ future all the time. Well, notice that you could just move to an island somewhere and get a brown-skinned girl and then you wouldn’t have to worry about anybody else’s future because you would have made your own futur... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-20 | cidental to the experience to one experience of eternity, which I know you had. And, how do you reckon with yourself sometimes and think when you doubt yourself and think this is just my ego, um, concocting things to make me feel good, etc., etc. whatever would be the worst-case scenario for you?. It’s hard for me to e... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-21 | [Audience] – I was here. [Audience laughs]
Well, that’s the idea - that the real truth can’t be told. I’m very aware, uh, that all of this is just stuff to support me, to make a living, in other words [audience laughs], you know. Um, that, in fact, what’s really going on defies rational apprehension. I hope! [Audience... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-22 | [Audience] – I find a fantastic parallel between psychedelic experience and physics. I mean, I haven’t found anything in the psychedelic experience that would be any problem to relate to the point of view of the physicist. And, actually, I think that all the stuff in physics got out of the bag because of the psychedeli... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-23 | We talked at one point in here about Wittgenstein’s phrase, "true enough" – true enough to get you to the gas station – true enough to get your taxes paid. But, uh, there'll be no, uh -- there'll be no closure on this stuff. We have to live in the light of the mystery. But, I think we also said in here, you know, it’s ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-24 | Well, I didn’t mean to imply a nothingness beyond. It isn’t like that. I think it’s an everythingness. That when I talk about what I envision it as - as boundary dissolution. If all boundaries dissolve then, you know, I am you, and you are me, and we are all together. [Audience laughs] It's a -- it’s an exfoliation of ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-25 | First of all, you have to wrap your mind around the concept "anything." What would I do if I could do anything? And, I used to think about it in terms and for some reason for me it takes the form of an architectural fantasy. You know, first of all, I just locate myself in the house featured in last month's Architectura... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-26 | And, you know, as James Joyce says in Finnegans Wake, uh, "up n’ent prospector, you sprout all your worth and woof your wings." And that’s just in the first 30 seconds that you woof your wings. And then you’re able to assume to divide your consciousness to assume any form, to be any place, to know anything. Anything re... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-27 | Jorge Luis Borges, in one of his stories, has this idea that, uh, the species, uh, any species, is somehow not completed in eternity until the last member of that species dies. And, it is interesting that if you think about biology, 95 per cent of all species that have ever lived on this planet are extinct. This is wha... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-28 | word – they seem like ancestors. And yet, you know, we would rather believe that they were aliens from Zeta Reticuli or elves in a parallel continuum than apply Ockham’s Razor to the phenomenon, and say – since we are the only intelligent entities that we have ever contacted in this universe – these things which we con... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-29 | of all barriers, which is the barrier between the living and the dead? And that what you actually come into is the antechambers of eternity for a brief glimpse. If you were to take that rap and properly translate it into Witoto or Munangi, or something like that, and go to the Amazon and query those folks, they’d say, ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-30 | how it’s going to be the flying saucers, or it's going to be the time machine, or the collapse of the quantum vector or something like that. But, because the forward thrust of our technology is toward immortality. I mean, that’s what gnawing at the back of our minds. And yet, what may actually be coming towards us, ort... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-31 | for. If we believe that we were always embedded in the machinery of nature - that we could never act outside the purposes of nature - then this must be what it’s for. | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-32 | It’s very interesting in embryology. I think most people think, you know, of a fetus in the womb, um, as you all know – we begin as very fish like creatures in the womb and then out of what are essentially little paddle mitts, the human hand appears. I think most people think that the tissue retracts tightly and that t... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-33 | [Audience] – Terence, I would like to go back to something you said about the beings of light and the shamanic capacity to see and interact with these beings, and they could be the ancestors. Thinking in terms of those individuals who refined their senses to being able to see more than the average ability to see and to... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-34 | Saint Patrick, who, uh, brought Christianity to Ireland, found this belief (and also Anita makes the point about sensitivity). In Irish folklore, there’s the idea that if you have the eye, you can see these things, uh, and no drugs are required. It’s a psychic ability which the country Celtic people have sometimes clai... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-35 | So, uh, purgatory, which as you all know is neither heaven or hell, but a place where you expiate your sins for some amount of time before you pass on to heaven, is nothing less than a cleaned-up version of Fairyland written in to Christian theology. Now, I don’t know why the Celtic people had, not a monopoly but a fir... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-36 | ancestors. And, the best that straight folklorists can tell is they have some weird law that as a people recedes into time, they shrink, which seems to me preposterous. I mean, I just don’t understand that. I think the evidence is pretty good that this is going on. The fact that DMT is, uh, a naturally occurring neuro... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-37 | of connection and be unable to return." And, so, you know, I think this is the most challenging idea to us on the conscious and unconscious level because we may, you know -- I mean, I’m only speaking for myself, but it seems to me true that we really have, at a profound level, accepted the scientific lie that death is ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-38 | uh, other side than, uh, you might wish to be congealed. Anybody? Save me from myself! [Audience laughs] [Audience] – What I’m wondering, I have the impression of what comes to mind is a world that you project where everybody is schizophrenic. So that today I can be Napoleon, tomorrow Jesus, and then I can meet somebo... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-39 | then ordinary people - imprisoned in the hallucination of culture, language and linear time - lock you up and put you away because, uh, you’re reporting from outside the cultural envelope and carrying information that terrifies, alarms, disturbs and just... You drive other people crazy is what it is! [Audience laughs] | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-40 | I’m talking now about process schizophrenia, which is the spectacular kind: where you bring back information that is absolutely incommensurate with the models of your culture. No, I think -- It’s been said that the world is becoming more schizophrenic. Well, that’s just because they didn’t have the word "psychedelic." ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-41 | The schizophrenics return with the great aesthetic visions and the scientific breakthroughs and the poetic understandings, I mean, uh, and, it’s almost as though they have been aided by the demon artificers. They have taken into their, uh, retinue, uh, supernatural helpers and a shaman would say, of course, allies. And... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-42 | To become schizophrenic is a wonderful, wonderful opportunity. The trick is to make sure that you’re nowhere where straight people can get at you. [Audience laughs] And, uh, my schizophrenic episode occurred in the Amazon basin and, you know, it was five days march to just a mission. And, I’ve always felt that evading ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-43 | I think that’s the way to handle that. I think that when we finally really understand time travel, we may find out that it’s common as dirt and has been going on all around us in all kinds of physical processes. [Audience] – We make up stories. I mean, the human mind likes to make up stories. So, if you came back and... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-44 | But, since that isn’t how it works. [Audience] – Well, it may be working that way. I mean, people disappear mysteriously and all sorts of things happen and we just fit them into a framework that makes sense to us. When we’re in the realm of time travel, then maybe we’ll have to reinterpret all that weird stuff that oc... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-45 | I think that there's plenty of weird shit flying around and as I said, nowhere is it writ that anthropoid apes should understand reality. And, every culture that’s ever existed has operated under the illusion that it understood 95 per cent of reality and that the other five per cent would be delivered in the next 18 mo... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-46 | to understand it. It is not going to yield to logic or magic or any other technique that’s been developed. It's bigger -- you know, the novelist John Crowley has this wonderful aphorism: The further in you go, the bigger it gets. And, I think this is true of most things. | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Time+Travel%2C+Psychedelics%2C+and+Physics |
e3db64d23a60-47 | That’s all, folks! [Audience laughs] We got through another one of these. [Applause] Okay. Thank you all for coming. I do not understand why you put up with this [audience laughs], but I appreciate it. I do appreciate it!
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cd27eda51798-1 | So uh, I don't know what the real history of it was, ‘cause I had just arrived on the scene, but these old guys would sing these icaros, these magical songs on ayahuasca that appear as colored tapestries in front of your eyes and you know, they were, they had soul, they were into it, they were, and this guy would sing ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Exploring+the+Hermetic+Tradition |
cd27eda51798-2 | And Kat leaned over to me and said something like “this guy is an asshole” and I just said, you know, “let it slide, what do we know, think of it as anthropology,” but she, she wasn't having it. So after a while he kept doing this and at one point everybody in the room, every person in the room was bummed out, and they... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Exploring+the+Hermetic+Tradition |
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