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d55f86f30464-75 | [1:55:00].. imitators, and all this art-historical stuff. And I also..uh..had been very interested in Jung. And...and none of this seem to explain the content of the psychedelic experience i would get in there and say, well.. How come, i’m not seeing a archetype?.. and be things which somebody else.. You know.. I don’t... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-76 | [1:57:00].. Which begins to sound something like the orgies we talked about last night. It was a cult of printers. And it may be that Garden of free spirit but this is all pretty murky stuff, it’s hard to get back to Baughs, euhh.. Euhh.. he didn’t leave any written records we have, his birth is recorded in the perishe... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-77 | [1:59:00].. ..uh.. An indole hallucinogen.. Abetted.. No..no.. a tryptamine.. Uhh.. and it’s produced indigenously in the human brain. This is very interesting. Very few psychedelic compounds are produced in the human brain. We don’t know what DMT is doing there. But it means essentially that we all are subject to arre... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-78 | [laughter]
[Terence]: ”uh, ya know? So, uh, the, the uh...uh, uh, the...it...DMT overcomes this objection; the entire experience lasts 15 minutes, so you say to the critic, ‘ya know, you’re NOT going to experience it & yet you’re going to carry on a pogrom against it? You won’t invest 15 mins. To check what this is ab... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-79 | [inaudible audience question]
[Terence]: “uh, ok. Eh...well, good question. Yes, It’s the commonest of hallucinogens in nature. Uh, It occurs in many grasses: Phalaris Tuberosa, Phalaris arundinacea. Um, it occurs in a number of leguminous plants [2:02:00] uh, uh, probably the most spectacular being Anadenanthera pere... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-80 | [Audience]: Yopo?
[Terence]: “Yopo, Etena, Nipa [?], it depends on the language group, uh, and the [indistinct] [2:03:30] um, it’s also called Vilka in the Kari language. And then, after uh, ten minutes or so, it slowly begins to form up in your head, but you know, God, your sinuses, are eh, STACKED for sure, and uh..... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-81 | [indistinct audience question]
[Terence]: “No no. The uh, good point. If you orally ingest it, it will be destroyed in your guts. It won’t work. The uh, Amazon Indians, have...encountered this problem and have created a very sophisticated pharmacological strategy for dealing with this, you’ve all heard of ayahuasca. A... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-82 | Transcribed by Joe O’Neal
Instead of taking 5 minutes, it takes about two and a half hours. And if you really know your psychedelics, and your breath control techniques, on ayahuasca, over an hour [02:06:00] or so, you can work yourself to a place where you say, “lordy me!It looks just like a dmt flash”. And it does, ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-83 | Audience: [inaudible] how it crosses the blood brain barrier?
[02:08:00]
TM: No I think he means how did they find that it was endogenously produced. Well, I think they were studying- the group that did this was at the University of Louisiana, Christian and his group. And I- they were studying fast reactions in the b... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-84 | [02:10:04]
TM: Ah.. let’s make that perspiration *laughter*. Well its- [audience inaudible]. It’s hard as hell to find DMT. And this is a puzzle because if you look it up in a standard work on organic chemistry, it presents it as a trivial synthesis. Ah.. much [02:10:30] more simple than LSD which it always presents a... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-85 | Transcribed by Rohan Singh
A lot of people beef about that, and say; “it’s like smoking burning plastic.”. Mehhh, Más o menos, It is a little bit like that. The other objection to DMT that has been around since the 60’s is people say it ‘destroys brain cells’. There’s no evidence for or against this. But I would submi... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-86 | Audience: Uhm, [inaudible question about ayahuasca].
™: Uh, well, less because um, if you smoke DMT the dose is approximately 50 milligrams, which is like the size of a kitchen match head. If you combine it with an MAO inhibitor and take it orally, you can probably get away with about 35 milligrams, of DMT. Uh, and, u... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-87 | ™: Well, DMT, uh one of the things that caused me to think that is must- that is might have a role in the chemistry of dreaming, is that one of the frustrating things about it is, you have this experience without doubt, the most bizarre, appalling, peculiar experience you could possibly have; that’s at minute 2. At min... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-88 | [inaudible audience question]
™: Well, uh, over time and using tricks you can drag a certain amount of data out of it. Um, what I’ll do- I’ll describe a DMT trip, and it’s um, it’s a composite of maybe 40 of these trips, and uh, then you can see what you make of it. So this is- I’ll just describe it, I’ll be the gradu... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-89 | Transcribed by Justin Symbiosis Brosey
[2:17:57]
All the air has been pumped out of the room. This is the visual acuity thing I’ve talked about last night. The colors jump up. The edges sharpen. It’s and at that point people say ‘ooh wow, it’s really coming on strong.’ And then what you have to do you is you have to ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-90 | I don’t know what it is, uh, but it’s it’s something is being.[audience] Yea right that’s what it is. Uh, then there’s this very, uh, very defined sense of bursting through something. A membrane. And on the other side, and this is now remember my experience, on the other side, as you break through there’s a cheer. Ther... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-91 | And they’re there are many of them. And they come pounding toward you and they will stop in front of you and vibrate, but then they do a very disconcerting thing which is they jump into your body. They jump into your body and then they jump back out again. And, the whole thing is going on in this very high speed mode w... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-92 | Transcribed by James Clayton
The nearest analogy would be to faberge eggs, or something like that. But these things are like the toys that are scattered around the nursery of a U.F.O. or something. Celestial toys and they are, the toys themselves appear to be somehow alive. The toys themselves can, uh, sing other obje... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-93 | They say, “Do it. Do it. Do it!” And you feel like a bubble, or, and now this is subjective, i mean only you know 5% report this but it happens to me. You feel like a bubble inside your body that’s beginning to move up [2:25:00] towards your mouth and when it comes out it isn’t sound it’s vision. You begin, you see, di... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-94 | So then you come down, and you’re now at minute 6 to 7, and [2:26:30] you come down and it’s like being more loaded than you ever been. It’s like a 700 mic acid trip, but you embrace it as you're totally down. You say I’m totally down. I mean you look, you look like a termite a from Arcturus and the room is decorated i... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-95 | First of all, you know, what are these things? [2:27:30] uh, And why do they want you to do this strange activity? and what’s so great about it? Well, hmm, uh, well, first of all, who are these things? Uh, we can like you know be good scientists and make a list of the possibilities and then see which seems more likely.... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-96 | Good old National Inquirer type aliens, uh, who have, are using this as uh, as uh, a communication domain. Say you know we can’t land on the White House lawn, that would create panic and hysteria, so let’s create a drug which inside the drug [2:29:00]we will be able to deal with people. And, um, I was hoping that John ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-97 | [Question from audience]
TM: It could be, what puzzles me is that the, the, abduction thing is so non-psychedelic. It’s so cut and dried and all this anal examination stuff with strange machinery [2:30:00] there’s nothing comparable to that , I’m happy to report to you.
Transcribed by James Clayton
There’s nothing c... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-98 | ™: Yeah, that’s an interesting possibility. I also have migraines or the kind called cluster headaches and yes, a lot of the sympto - or the nice thing about DMT is that it’s painless but the sense of being split open; and of the traveling skeptomita transcribers note: I don’t know what this is and I can’t seem to goog... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-99 | Audience: May I bring science into this a little bit? (™: Sure.) Um. It involves the principle that its characteristically called “phasing” [2:31:30]Ah - But its - ah- it’s basis is sort of what happens on a subatomic level between matter and energy. It turns out there’s no fundamental part(?) at that level. They have ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-100 | form and that somehow it’s possible to shift that, or expand it to so that what we’re actually experiencing is a broader range of frequency, sort of shift in wavelength[2:32:30]...and I think some of this, of these experiences can be at least explored in that context. Ah……...you know…..there’s so much that we don’t kno... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-101 | that there is this matter energy interchange on a very fundamental level; while something is going on on that fundamental level. There may be this, principle of “phasing” which will either shift our tuning [2:33:30]or expand to include a larger spectrum. | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-102 | ™: Yeah, I think...no I think that that’s a very interesting avenue to pursue, this thing about frequency. Somebody told me: one of the great things about this job iis you hear a lot of weird stories, and somebody told me a story recently about, it didn’t involve DMT; it involved LSD but this guy and a friend of his to... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-103 | thing came to an absolute halt. And people were just frozen. And there was absolute silence. And at that point - ah - the door, at the other end of the room, swung open and, ah, an elf? Entered the room and moved among[2:35:00] all these frozen people and then left, by the door he came in and they both saw this and the... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-104 | And, in a sense, this is the hardest one to swallow but, in another sense, this is the most conservative (in some crazy notion of conservative); the most conservative explanation (clears throat) because (Audience: inaudible question) (™ drinks: Mm.mm.(no))[2:36:00] | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-105 | Transcribed by Artemis Jones
[2:36:00] Because, uhm, we have no evidence other than the tabloids that this world is being visited by friendly visitors from zubenelgenubi or zeta reticuli or the pleiades or anywhere else. I mean, to my mind the evidence that this is happening is vanishingly small and totally underwhelm... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-106 | So that, it’s occurred to me with greater and greater [2:37:00] force and largely prompted by giving DMT occasionally to Tibetans and Amazonian shamans, and when you say to them, you know, to the shamans in the Amazon, when you say to them “What is happening with this stuff? And what are those little things in there?” ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-107 | TM: Yes, that there will be some kind of erasure of, uh, the boundary between the two. Well, once i had this idea, you know, [2:39:00] I mentioned my Jungian and art historical proclivities and so that means that you always looks back through tradition and folklore to try and find something analogous to this. Well, the... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-108 | and then you get let into heaven. Well i had always assumed that this dogma, [2:40:00] I don’t know i hadn’t really thought about it, I just sort of assumed it arose with early Christianity. But when I began looking into this I discovered that the idea of purgatory, was invented by Saint Patrick, and it was invented sp... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-109 | as well. So, uh, it-it’s an idea of, [2:41:00] uh, a nearby dimension, inhabited by disincarnate souls, that, uh, is apparently very old, but very alien to our tradition. | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-110 | TM: Yes?
Audience: [inaudible] …It’s a gross oversimplification but it’s kind of related and it has to do with the quantum wave function, which is really kind of a dual wave, there’s two parts to it. Uh, one part, and they both have a temporal or time related aspect to it, one part which is called the ordinary [2:41:3... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-111 | [2:43:00]
Audience: We don’t know. That’s our perception. Our perception is that, is that objects on the macro scale are to scale, are not subject to quantum fluctuations. But that’s only because uh of this probability wave in some sense, in that, that there’s a most probable state. And if we happen to exist in that, ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-112 | [2:44:30]
TM: Ain’t that the truth (laughs.)
Audience: Again if we get back to a psychedelic experience, you know, it’s this whole lower dimensional language slice thing that we seem to have to operate in in order to describe an experience that just does not fit with that slice. You know, we do our best to do it, you... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-113 | Audience: Here’s something else. As you two were dialoguing a bit I was getting a visualization of, you have to look at the pond of reality [2:46:30] so to speak, as not only being the um visual of someone throwing a pebble from the top of the pond and creating the ripple effect of waves, but also from the bubbles comi... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-114 | [2:47:00]
TM: Well, this is why I say the psychedelic experience is a boundary dissolving experience because it takes away past, present, cause, effect, all of these things uh disappear. Now remember I said ayahuasca is a kind of slow release DMT trip. And one of the really interesting things going on with ayahuasca t... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-115 | … “I like the part with the great bars and the blue speckling, but when you brought in the pink in combination with the basen white I thought it was to much”. See, what kind of a discussion is this about a song? You realize then when you take Ayahuaska, they see the songs ah.. and now this is really interesting to me b... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-116 | know, color ah.. sounds are seen. Well, now what was this anything other than a neurophysiologic curiosity? Well I maintain it is, because I think that a language which could be seen, would be a kind of telepathic language. If you thought much about telepathy, you might have naively assumed that telepathy is you hearin... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-117 | see what we each mean. You know there's this persistent idea, promulgated by Robert Graves in the White Goddess, among other people, that there was once what he calls a Orshba(?) a primal language so emotionally intense that, to be in the presence of poetry declaimed in this language, is to see the poetry and that this... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-118 | inorganic or just in the normal nomenclature of organic chemistry, turns out to be ah..a betacarboline closely related to harmaline. Well is it possible that we are as close as a one gene mutation away from a shift that would switch our processing of audio input into the visual field and that then we would cross over i... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-119 | necessary and I’m the living proof of it ah... but it's not a very efficient mode of communication because what happens is, I have a though by looking a culturally sanctioned dictionary which I have copied into my head. I translate the thoughts into an acoustical signal using my mouth which moves across space, which en... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-120 | Transcribed by Nicole Pralaya
[2:54:00]
TM: most bring down things you can say to somebody is, would you explain to me what I`ve just said?
Because it means, oh boy here comes trouble, now you're gonna find out, that you know, people didn't understand you. They horribly misunderstood and and the uh communication is ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-121 | [transition from tape 2 to 3]
TM: Octopi can change color [2:56:30] well most people I think, assume that they do this for camouflage, that would be a reasonable assumption. They don't do it for camouflage uh let's talk about octopi for just a moment. First of all they're mollusk, they divided from our evolutionary li... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-122 | and he goes as far as creating a a grammar for this stuff. Well so then in a way you know if you pull back from the mundane assumptions about this what's happening is the octopus wears its mind on its skin. It is dressed in its mental state e one octopus encountering another can tell [2:59:00] its mood, how recently it... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-123 | Transcribed by Arsen Vidakovic
..the spending of money, the hiring [3:00:00] of craftsmen, so forth and so on. Our whole civilization is an excreted set of interlocking ideas, agreements. We’re like choral animals, and we somewhere, you know, there’s this naked, pulpy creature, but, you know, clothed in denim, clothed... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-124 | [inaudible from audience].
™: Yes and they, uhm, have retained this communication ability by switching over to interior, uhm, interiorly generated phosphorescence. So, [3:01:30] there are species of octopi, which actually are studded with organs that have the equivalent of eyelids over them. But they’re flasher lights... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-125 | ™: Well you raise a lot of issues. First of all, since the discovery of retroviruses, of which the HIV-virus is one, we now know it is not always information transcripted from DNA to RNA to protein. The retroviruses transcript from RNA to DNA [3:04:00], uhm, so the central dogma which is that the genome is not being al... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-126 | at DMT [3:04:45] or harmine, uhm, harmine is built off a, a, pentexyl-group, and with two, uhm, benzene rings off of it. It is the perfect size to slip in-between two nucleotides in DNA. It can actually bond into the DNA there. Now, many drugs to this. Uhm, this is called, these drugs are called dimers. The usual probl... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-127 | [inaudible] error here, you can fuse genetic information [3:06:00] | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-128 | Transcribed by Andrea Casanova | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-129 | ™: with information. Don't you understand that genetic information’s just a sequence of codons coding for protein? And uh, you know, that has no relationship with your memory of Aunt Ninny’s face. However, by being so, uh unyielding on that point, they create a huge problem in um.. In uh… for their brothers and sisters... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-130 | molecule of your body has been swapped out five times since she quit the plane. How can you have this memory of Aunt Minnie? If and then they say “well,” well they don't say actually, they just throw up their hands. Now, the- to the people who say DNA can’t store any kind of information other than codon sequences for p... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-131 | where they were stored is hard upon you and the mechanism for retrieving them. So I think molecular biology for being so reductionist has made certain problems in... in neurophysiology in higher cortical functioning almost insoluble. You know, for years and year it was held that [drinks] the, this was another one of th... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-132 | later, uh complexed with nuclear material in the neuron, proving to the most die-hard materialist that synaptic material was in fact moving backward to the neuron. So I think that uh, you know there's much that isn't understood about how all this uhh works. Euh something about this pointing out, you know, science seeks... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-133 | Audience Member: progress really comes from uh outside the context of the paradigm that hasnt, hasnt [experiences. I mean really, to my knowledge, almost everything that's really been advanced has been [cough]philosophy [inaudible].
™:Yes well some of you have probably read Thomas Kuhns The Structure of Scientific Rev... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-134 | [3:12:30]
basically ne'er-do-well and he decided that he would go wenching and soldiering across Europe, which was a thing that young men of certain class did at that time. And so he joined a Habsburg army that was laying siege to Prague in the in the summer of 1619 and after they had taken care of the problem there i... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-135 | [3:14:30]
at the promptings of invisible voices. I mean Socrates who is at the very centre of what’s called thinking in..by Western Civilisation. Socrates had a deamon D.e.a.m.o.n it was a little voice, it told it was his crap detector, it told him the difference between profound philosophical thinking and bullpucky, ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-136 | [3:16:30]
head that uh people strove to attain for a thousand years this was the Sine qua non of uh intellectual accomplishment in the Greco-Hellenic world and the Logos, told you the right way to live and this is sort of what you get with psilocybin. You get a voice that can, confound you with the depths and brillian... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-137 | [3:18:30]
This is very hard I think for modern people to understand. Because oohohoh..it’s a given for us. I mean we see in perspective. We accept it as a quality of the world rather than a..ae..a cultural artifact put in place at a certain moment. But in fact during the Renaissance, only the most inspired people coul... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-138 | [3:20:30]
no one could conceive of another way of doing it.
The Logos seems to me uh a kind of similar thing. It was a mental behaviour, function, which for reasons which are probably complex and unknowable, slipped out of reach. That’s why [pause] it seems to me these psychedelics are very close to being able to mod... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-139 | Terence McKenna: How it works with psilocybin?
Audience Member: [Inaudible]
Well uh i mean I take, when I take Psilocybin i take it on an empty stomach I don’t fast or anything like that I just don’t eat for 6 hours, I don’t call that fasting. Uh and then I take it in silent darkness. That’s number one very important... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-140 | Transcribed by Tim Collinson
Uh,
(3:24:00)
because there’s more than a, you know-- there’s a huge water loss there. And, uh, then it takes-- people sometimes say, “It came on within 5 minutes.” Or, “It came on within 10 minutes.” I don’t know what that could possibly be about. First of all, it defies pharmacoat dyna... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-141 | (3:25:30)
These are definitely qualities of psilocybin, not related to its psychoactivity. And, uhm, and I think that it’s very good to decide before it hits, that once it begins, you will not alter the plan. In other words, you decide ahead of time - I’m going to sit here and do this. Because at about the hour and 15... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-142 | At that point, I smoke furiously.
(3:27:30)
And that usually is all it takes. And-- and it-- it comes on, and it-- the first rush is really astonishing. I mean, sometimes it’s more mind boggling than others. But I can remember situations where I would just see it coming and say, “Oh my God!” You know? It’s 100 miles ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-143 | (3:29:00)
it, uh-- and sometimes in that first pass, you actually-- the linguistic machinery is burned out. You’ve probably seen these scenes where they will test a hydrogen bomb. And they set up cameras a quarter mile away from ground zero - a half mile, a mile, two miles. And then when they actually detonate the bom... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-144 | Audience: [sporadic laughter]
TM: And.. it uh, and then you know paralleling what we talked about this morning and again I’m just giving you my subjective take on it. It’s like, um...
[3:31:00]
[clicks]
I come into a place. It’s hard to describe, it’s a feeling … and- it’s- Ikn- ump-...andd- the content of the feel... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-145 | [3:32:30]
finally, you know, they pick me up on their shoulders and with tubas blaring and sackbuts and reed bac and all this stu- then they carry me around and talk to me and it’s… the whole thing is shot through with such a weird sense of zaniness, irishness, joyfishness, I mean it’s almost unbearable it's so...uhm ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-146 | [3:34:30]
the same thing and you get a completely different message. You- you- you se- you feel the energy of the rainforest and the rivers, and you.. It’s very feminine. you think about childbirth, you think about the continuity of generations, you think about the- the- uh.. mystery of the meat. You think about tantr... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-147 | Terence: Well, that’s a real question, the Logos seems more.. It personally isn’t.. It doesn’t crack jokes and do quadruple uncondro tons and stuff like that.. Its more like a wise, loving creature.. Urm.. This DMT thing is.. You know.. Its a troup of maddened elves, and they are just doing their own thing. And then wi... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-148 | they seem to cover a broader spectrum.. The psilocybin hallucination tend towards this highly polished, machine like, insect like, outer-space bit and the ayahuasca hallucinations are wonderful pastels.. Laces.. Layering of colors and then one of the most interesting thing to me about ayahuasca and I just cannot unders... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-149 | Madonna’s, martry saints, euh.. And fantastic scroll work and fluid elite (inaudible) and you should say.. Well.. surprise me. (audience laughter) and then you will get a coherent style like our deco, like italian borough.. Except that is nobody is there to bother to realize it on this planet. But it’s as coherent ah..... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-150 | Or Apollic? Or Abage? And then you can say to it, going beyond the surprise me challenges what i always say to it is uh, “i want to see more of what you are for yourself”. And then its like this.. This., low organ tone.. And it begins to lift the vales and the temperature in the room drops about 20 degrees. And after a... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-151 | Audience: (inaudible question)
TM: Well, that’s a good question..
Audience: (inaudbile question)
TM: Good question. It requires a small detouring to pharmacology, the concept which all pharmacologists are familiar which you should should be too if you’re going to deal in this realm, called LD-50. This is not a prett... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-152 | Unfortunately, and I hope I don’t rain on anybody’s parade here: MDMA [3:43:00] has a terrible LD50 profile. The effective dose is 125 milligrams. You can kill yourself with 1000 milligrams, so that’s not good at all. Because, sure as hell, some street person or some depressed person or some maniac is going to take 100... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-153 | Audience: [inaudible] 300mg dose [inaudible]
There was a different- Well, I think MDMA is- I don’t want to trash MDMA, it’s changed a lot of people’s lives and saved relationships and so forth and so on, but to me, it’s a perfect example of why you’re better off taking plants. Because, here was this drug, somebody inv... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-154 | One says, well my god, anything impacting the physical brain that dramatically should be stayed away from. And the other camp says, well do you see any behavioral changes in people who take MDMA a lot? Do you see any physical destruction? Seizures, blindness, anything? And the answer is no. So they say, well, here we h... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-155 | Oh yeah, that’s where we were ta- That’s why we started talking about LD 50 ‘cause I wanted to explain to you that, uh, it- taking a compound like psilocybin, if the effective [3:47:00] dose is 20 milligrams, 20 milligrams for somebody who weighs 135 pounds, well, then, looking at the pharmacological data, they should ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-156 | [3:48:30]
quirkier and quirkier. So I think you have to uh, you know, I’m very admiring of people who can take very high doses but I find it quite challenging enough in the five to seven gram uh, range. A friend of mine says of psilocybin, that every time he takes it he tries to stand more. Meaning more of the vision ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-157 | [3:50:30]
chant you sing anything you want and it will radically alter the parameters. There’s a certain place in psilocybin that is my uh bête noir which I call the meatlocker [audience laughs] and I don’t like this place you know and meatlocker is a mild term for it it’s more like uh you know the morgue for the homi... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-158 | [3:52:00]
grew stropharia cubensis by the method that’s described in my book, the book I wrote with my brother, and what they discovered...see psilocybin is 4phosphoro…. triptamines* that phosphorous group is removed as soon as it crosses uh the blood brain barrier so really uh what’s active is uh uh uh a simpler comp... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-159 | Transcribed by Bev Smith
[3:54:00] any description or discussion of what the evolutionary history of that- why it would appear in any organism like that and not in any other. That’s just an aside because I’m always searching for the thumbprint of the alien. It-m, there may not be an alien thumbprint, but the phosphoro... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-160 | TM: Well my original presupposition was to try to have no presupposition at all and then out of that came [3:56:00] all of these assumptions. You’re right that nobody has trips exactly like mine, although if you question people carefully, you can begin to see what- how it works. Uh for example, umm, you know I describe... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-161 | came down, we said okay, what was it? She said it was the saddest carnival in the world. She said the carnival was closed, all the tents had their flaps rolled down and there were just paper cups and candy wrappers blowing in the aisles in between them and the ferris wheel was stopped. Well, she was just at the edge of... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-162 | spangled costume hang by her teeth 120 feet above the center ring um doing acrobatics so you’ve got- [something happens in audience, some laugh, a woman playfully says something inaudible, TM continues] [3:58:28] -so you’ve got the clown, and you’ve got the lady in the tiny spangled costume, and then off from the cente... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-163 | any account at all. I mean it’s amazing how inarticulate people are. You- they come down, you say how was it, and they say it was FAR OUT, [3:59:30] you say you know you don’t get out of here with that rat, you know, HOW WAS IT? And they say, well [sighs] they can’t give a good account. On psilocybin, I think most peop... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-164 | Transcribed by William Hargrave
TM: [4:00:00]...and i'm pretty resistant to all the flotsam and jetsam of the new age, i mean i don't spend a moment worrying about the exact physical location of Atlantis or stuff like that... and i think people it inflates their personal mythologies and intellectual misconceptions but... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-165 | Audience: No.
TM: No, i read the 1st book.
Audience: [4:01:30] Well there actually is a map right there. Talk about weird, this is one of the weirdest things you’ll ever read but it has some amazing rain of truth [mic noise] and in it he presents a map of all the realms of being that exist, that he’s, visited in norm... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-166 | TM: Well, i read the first book and i was puzzled by how much of it didn’t seem familiar to me, like, i remember in the first book he talks about a world that's just [4:02:30] like this world except the cars are nine feet wide. That would be a very puzzling psychedelic experience to go to that world. (ahh) I knew someo... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-167 | Audience: Do you have visions on cannabis, too?
TM: [drinks water] If i can control myself and not do it too often, the problem is cannabis does so many other wonderful things and i tend to use it for those other wonderful things but if i were totally dedicated to vision, then i would only smoke once a week [4:04:30] ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-168 | TM: Well, you didn't exactly make clear to me what the effect was. It fuzzes you out going into? [4:06:00]
Transcribed by Tiago Ramos
™: Well, you didn’t exactly make clear to me what the effect was...it fuzzes you out? Going in?
Audience: (inaudible) ...something totally different…
™: What it does for me is it jus... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-169 | ™: [4:07:00]]No, moreso. My great dream is that as my powers of locution fade with old age that cannabis will be legalized then I can sit in front of you and smoke and my career can be pushed 20 years into the future(audience laughs)...ah...the way I use cannabis is to think. And I do a lot of thinking. And I do a lot,... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-170 | ™: Ok. Well, LSD *sighs*...again, I’m only speaking for myself because there is no other way to approach it. I l...I found LSD very interesting[4:08:30] but ultimately kind of frustrating because I wanted visions. And, to me, what LSD by itself does is it does a lot of slippery and hard to name stuff. It accelerates an... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-171 | psycho-analytic? It’s sort of like cleaning up your act?(Audience: mmhmm) It often focuses you on your own personal stuff?[4:09:30] (Audience: mmhmm) And, you know, I have to confess to you: I’m not that into my own personal stuff probably because it’s so horrendous, ah, *deep breath* but I don’t like personalized trip... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-172 | I’m really a vision freak. And people say you know, well there’s feeling and there’s insight[4:10:30]...and there’s this and that but you know the reason I’m so fixated on vision - or the excuse I give - somebody said: O, it’s because you’re a double Scorpio but (audience laughs) for me it’s the, for me it’s the proof ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-173 | Audience: Um.(inaudible)?
™: How do boundary dissolution andi-?
Audience: (inaudible)?
™: Well I think, in very practical terms[4:11:30], they show you that everything you know is wrong. (audience giggles) You know, I mean how can the ego survive that piece of information? It just puts in your lap incontrovertible e... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-174 | TM: Well, I think women, by virtue of the fact that they [4:13:00] menstruate and give birth, are just inherently more chemically driven creatures than men. Men are Apollonian in intent. The idea is always some kind of abstract purity, clarity, kind of thing. And women know from the get go that that‘s an illusion. That... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
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