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Yeah, exactly. That's the old-school way. Built- bootstrapping, I guess they call it. Never borrowed a penny along this journey from, from anyone, and I can see why. It's very difficult to get somebody to loan money on a, on a restaurant. The failure rate's incredible. But I used my own money all the time, used equipme...
agent: Yeah. customer: And that store f- from the beginning got off to a great start and, uh, produced profit from the first day. agent: With the cash flow from that second business, uh, you are able to open a- another restaurant and then another one. I mean, also in predominantly Latino neighborhoods or, or, or, uh, t...
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Hmm.
customer: And that store f- from the beginning got off to a great start and, uh, produced profit from the first day. agent: With the cash flow from that second business, uh, you are able to open a- another restaurant and then another one. I mean, also in predominantly Latino neighborhoods or, or, or, uh, tell me, t- I ...
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But I got interested, too, in studying franchising, and people would say to me, "Well, why don't you franchise the pizza store?" There was a million pizza franchises at the time.
agent: With the cash flow from that second business, uh, you are able to open a- another restaurant and then another one. I mean, also in predominantly Latino neighborhoods or, or, or, uh, tell me, t- I mean, tell me a little bit about that. customer: Yeah, exactly. That's the old-school way. Built- bootstrapping, I gu...
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Hmm.
customer: Yeah, exactly. That's the old-school way. Built- bootstrapping, I guess they call it. Never borrowed a penny along this journey from, from anyone, and I can see why. It's very difficult to get somebody to loan money on a, on a restaurant. The failure rate's incredible. But I used my own money all the time, us...
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And, and I, I... And, uh, very difficult. Even with the Hispanic piece, which at that time, uh, I didn't think that that was enough of a point of difference. I kinda wanted something else. And I had been studying franchising, and I, and I found what I thought was the reasons a lot of them fail. But I also studied and r...
agent: Hmm. customer: But I got interested, too, in studying franchising, and people would say to me, "Well, why don't you franchise the pizza store?" There was a million pizza franchises at the time. agent: Hmm.
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Hmm.
customer: But I got interested, too, in studying franchising, and people would say to me, "Well, why don't you franchise the pizza store?" There was a million pizza franchises at the time. agent: Hmm. customer: And, and I, I... And, uh, very difficult. Even with the Hispanic piece, which at that time, uh, I didn't thin...
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It's funded by the franchisee. And as long as I could control all the intellectual property and control the brand, um, that's what I was building intrinsic value in, in the brand. And that was kinda the genesis of getting in the chicken wing business. But I had, I had a couple of, um, things in my past that made me bel...
agent: Hmm. customer: And, and I, I... And, uh, very difficult. Even with the Hispanic piece, which at that time, uh, I didn't think that that was enough of a point of difference. I kinda wanted something else. And I had been studying franchising, and I, and I found what I thought was the reasons a lot of them fail. Bu...
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But where did that come from? I mean, had you... Did you have experience with wings before? I mean, buffalo wings have been around, right? They're, I, I think reputedly, maybe not, uh, invented in Buffalo, or maybe it was a buffalo sauce. I don't know. [laughs] But, but-
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A- Anchor Bar, yeah, in Buffalo, New York
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Okay. And, and so had you... Did you have experience with, like, a- Chicken wings before?
customer: It's funded by the franchisee. And as long as I could control all the intellectual property and control the brand, um, that's what I was building intrinsic value in, in the brand. And that was kinda the genesis of getting in the chicken wing business. But I had, I had a couple of, um, things in my past that m...
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You know what my first experience was? This is back when I was a waiter back at the Smuggler's Inn.
agent: But where did that come from? I mean, had you... Did you have experience with wings before? I mean, buffalo wings have been around, right? They're, I, I think reputedly, maybe not, uh, invented in Buffalo, or maybe it was a buffalo sauce. I don't know. [laughs] But, but- customer: A- Anchor Bar, yeah, in Buffalo...
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In Columbus.
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In Columbus. Uh, I, I'll make this make sense in a, in a moment. One of the s- side jobs of the waiters was keeping the free buffet in the, in the bar side... Uh, they had free hors d'oeuvres every day from, like, 4:00 to 6:30, something like that.
agent: Okay. And, and so had you... Did you have experience with, like, a- Chicken wings before? customer: You know what my first experience was? This is back when I was a waiter back at the Smuggler's Inn. agent: In Columbus.
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So then people would order a bunch of booze.
customer: You know what my first experience was? This is back when I was a waiter back at the Smuggler's Inn. agent: In Columbus. customer: In Columbus. Uh, I, I'll make this make sense in a, in a moment. One of the s- side jobs of the waiters was keeping the free buffet in the, in the bar side... Uh, they had free hor...
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Yeah. Back in those days, there was a product made by Pierce Foods. It was called Wing Dings, and they were the tiniest darn chicken wings. They must have come off of pigeons. I mean, they were really small. But they were salty, and they had this kinda, like, a coating on 'em. And on Wednesdays, that was the free food....
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[laughs]
customer: In Columbus. Uh, I, I'll make this make sense in a, in a moment. One of the s- side jobs of the waiters was keeping the free buffet in the, in the bar side... Uh, they had free hors d'oeuvres every day from, like, 4:00 to 6:30, something like that. agent: So then people would order a bunch of booze. customer:...
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So he takes me there, and-
agent: So then people would order a bunch of booze. customer: Yeah. Back in those days, there was a product made by Pierce Foods. It was called Wing Dings, and they were the tiniest darn chicken wings. They must have come off of pigeons. I mean, they were really small. But they were salty, and they had this kinda, like...
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Yeah
customer: Yeah. Back in those days, there was a product made by Pierce Foods. It was called Wing Dings, and they were the tiniest darn chicken wings. They must have come off of pigeons. I mean, they were really small. But they were salty, and they had this kinda, like, a coating on 'em. And on Wednesdays, that was the ...
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... I've never seen... Dining room full of people, and they're sitting there, and there's chicken wings in front of every one of 'em.
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Just buckets of chicken wings.
customer: So he takes me there, and- agent: Yeah customer: ... I've never seen... Dining room full of people, and they're sitting there, and there's chicken wings in front of every one of 'em.
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Just-
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Everyone is-
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Killin' it
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... mauling chicken wings.
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Killin' it.
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But w- I, I'm trying to understand. You had four pizza restaurants-
customer: Killin' it agent: ... mauling chicken wings. customer: Killin' it.
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Yes
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... in Dallas, and you say, "I wanna open up a n- different kind of restaurant, another concept with just chicken wings." I'm just wondering why you would not have tested that idea with the pizza. Like, why, why wouldn't you just have introduced chicken wings at the pizza restaurants? You already had pizza restaurants....
customer: Killin' it. agent: But w- I, I'm trying to understand. You had four pizza restaurants- customer: Yes
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Well, a couple of reasons. The ch- the pizza restaurants had Type 2 hoods, okay? It's a heat on-
agent: But w- I, I'm trying to understand. You had four pizza restaurants- customer: Yes agent: ... in Dallas, and you say, "I wanna open up a n- different kind of restaurant, another concept with just chicken wings." I'm just wondering why you would not have tested that idea with the pizza. Like, why, why wouldn't you...
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Uh-huh
customer: Yes agent: ... in Dallas, and you say, "I wanna open up a n- different kind of restaurant, another concept with just chicken wings." I'm just wondering why you would not have tested that idea with the pizza. Like, why, why wouldn't you just have introduced chicken wings at the pizza restaurants? You already h...
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... heat only hood.
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Right.
customer: Well, a couple of reasons. The ch- the pizza restaurants had Type 2 hoods, okay? It's a heat on- agent: Uh-huh customer: ... heat only hood.
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And even back then, you couldn't deep fat fry without, without a fire suppression system. It's called a Ty- a Type 1 hood.
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And that would've cost a lot of cash to, to-
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Yeah
agent: Right. customer: And even back then, you couldn't deep fat fry without, without a fire suppression system. It's called a Ty- a Type 1 hood. agent: And that would've cost a lot of cash to, to-
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... retrofit.
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Yeah, just to add a menu item. I was kinda swinging for the whole concept, to develop a, a frying concept.
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Okay, this is 1994, right?
customer: Yeah agent: ... retrofit. customer: Yeah, just to add a menu item. I was kinda swinging for the whole concept, to develop a, a frying concept.
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Yes.
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And I'm, I'm, I'm just trying to think about the logistics of chicken wings at that point. Because, uh, one bird produces, I guess, f- four wings, right? It's, it's, like, the drumette, the little, the little drumette, and then the wing tip on each side, so four wings. And then... And, and now it's different. Like, now...
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The chicken market, the price of chicken, is set on what was called the Erner Berry market, and Er- and it was all based on the breast meat.
agent: Okay, this is 1994, right? customer: Yes. agent: And I'm, I'm, I'm just trying to think about the logistics of chicken wings at that point. Because, uh, one bird produces, I guess, f- four wings, right? It's, it's, like, the drumette, the little, the little drumette, and then the wing tip on each side, so four w...
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Yeah.
customer: Yes. agent: And I'm, I'm, I'm just trying to think about the logistics of chicken wings at that point. Because, uh, one bird produces, I guess, f- four wings, right? It's, it's, like, the drumette, the little, the little drumette, and then the wing tip on each side, so four wings. And then... And, and now it'...
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And, and at, at that time, I'd never s- witnessed this, but they said a lot of the wings went to pet food manufacturers.
agent: And I'm, I'm, I'm just trying to think about the logistics of chicken wings at that point. Because, uh, one bird produces, I guess, f- four wings, right? It's, it's, like, the drumette, the little, the little drumette, and then the wing tip on each side, so four wings. And then... And, and now it's different. Li...
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Wow.
customer: The chicken market, the price of chicken, is set on what was called the Erner Berry market, and Er- and it was all based on the breast meat. agent: Yeah. customer: And, and at, at that time, I'd never s- witnessed this, but they said a lot of the wings went to pet food manufacturers.
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And they, and they boil, they boiled them and-
agent: Yeah. customer: And, and at, at that time, I'd never s- witnessed this, but they said a lot of the wings went to pet food manufacturers. agent: Wow.
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They would just get rid of 'em.
customer: And, and at, at that time, I'd never s- witnessed this, but they said a lot of the wings went to pet food manufacturers. agent: Wow. customer: And they, and they boil, they boiled them and-
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They'd get rid of 'em. They weren't seen as-
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Wow
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... they weren't... The, the, the real driver in what chicken was worth was based on breast meat.
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Yes.
customer: They'd get rid of 'em. They weren't seen as- agent: Wow customer: ... they weren't... The, the, the real driver in what chicken was worth was based on breast meat.
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I would... When I first got into the wing business, I was p- I paid 55 cents a pound for whole wings.
agent: Wow customer: ... they weren't... The, the, the real driver in what chicken was worth was based on breast meat. agent: Yes.
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55 cents a pound. That's like-
customer: ... they weren't... The, the, the real driver in what chicken was worth was based on breast meat. agent: Yes. customer: I would... When I first got into the wing business, I was p- I paid 55 cents a pound for whole wings.
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Mm
agent: Yes. customer: I would... When I first got into the wing business, I was p- I paid 55 cents a pound for whole wings. agent: 55 cents a pound. That's like-
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... I mean, the arbitrage on that is incredible, right? You c- [laughs]
customer: I would... When I first got into the wing business, I was p- I paid 55 cents a pound for whole wings. agent: 55 cents a pound. That's like- customer: Mm
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Yeah
agent: 55 cents a pound. That's like- customer: Mm agent: ... I mean, the arbitrage on that is incredible, right? You c- [laughs]
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... you could convert that into... What you're selling it for by the pound is probably, like, uh, you know, seven, eight bucks, maybe. Who knows? Five bucks. But before you open this restaurant, right, you know you wanna open it.
customer: Mm agent: ... I mean, the arbitrage on that is incredible, right? You c- [laughs] customer: Yeah
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Mm-hmm.
agent: ... I mean, the arbitrage on that is incredible, right? You c- [laughs] customer: Yeah agent: ... you could convert that into... What you're selling it for by the pound is probably, like, uh, you know, seven, eight bucks, maybe. Who knows? Five bucks. But before you open this restaurant, right, you know you wann...
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You start experimenting with recipes. And really the... If I'm, if I'm not mistaken, the chicken, the, the frying part is pretty straightforward. It's salt, pepper, maybe some baking powder to f- make it crispy, and you just drop it in hot oil. You deep fry the chicken wings for a couple minutes and, and then the magic...
customer: Yeah agent: ... you could convert that into... What you're selling it for by the pound is probably, like, uh, you know, seven, eight bucks, maybe. Who knows? Five bucks. But before you open this restaurant, right, you know you wanna open it. customer: Mm-hmm.
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Totally.
agent: ... you could convert that into... What you're selling it for by the pound is probably, like, uh, you know, seven, eight bucks, maybe. Who knows? Five bucks. But before you open this restaurant, right, you know you wanna open it. customer: Mm-hmm. agent: You start experimenting with recipes. And really the... If...
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Right?
customer: Mm-hmm. agent: You start experimenting with recipes. And really the... If I'm, if I'm not mistaken, the chicken, the, the frying part is pretty straightforward. It's salt, pepper, maybe some baking powder to f- make it crispy, and you just drop it in hot oil. You deep fry the chicken wings for a couple minute...
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Totally. Totally. I bought a used propane-powered deep fat fryer that we, we set out back of our house on the deck. And after we closed the pizza stores, I, we had the employees come over, and I, they were kinda my guinea pigs.
agent: You start experimenting with recipes. And really the... If I'm, if I'm not mistaken, the chicken, the, the frying part is pretty straightforward. It's salt, pepper, maybe some baking powder to f- make it crispy, and you just drop it in hot oil. You deep fry the chicken wings for a couple minutes and, and then th...
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At night. This is, like, midnight.
customer: Totally. agent: Right? customer: Totally. Totally. I bought a used propane-powered deep fat fryer that we, we set out back of our house on the deck. And after we closed the pizza stores, I, we had the employees come over, and I, they were kinda my guinea pigs.
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Midnight, 1:00 in the morning.
agent: Right? customer: Totally. Totally. I bought a used propane-powered deep fat fryer that we, we set out back of our house on the deck. And after we closed the pizza stores, I, we had the employees come over, and I, they were kinda my guinea pigs. agent: At night. This is, like, midnight.
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Yeah.
customer: Totally. Totally. I bought a used propane-powered deep fat fryer that we, we set out back of our house on the deck. And after we closed the pizza stores, I, we had the employees come over, and I, they were kinda my guinea pigs. agent: At night. This is, like, midnight. customer: Midnight, 1:00 in the morning.
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I mean, we had, uh, so much energy back then, you know? We were all younger and-
agent: At night. This is, like, midnight. customer: Midnight, 1:00 in the morning. agent: Yeah.
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Yeah
customer: Midnight, 1:00 in the morning. agent: Yeah. customer: I mean, we had, uh, so much energy back then, you know? We were all younger and-
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... full of energy. And I would make up different sauces, and then we'd try 'em out on these people, and say, "What do you, what did you think? What'd you think?" I didn't eat the chicken, but I l- licked the sauce.
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You didn't eat them because you were a vegetarian.
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I didn't eat chicken.
agent: Yeah customer: ... full of energy. And I would make up different sauces, and then we'd try 'em out on these people, and say, "What do you, what did you think? What'd you think?" I didn't eat the chicken, but I l- licked the sauce. agent: You didn't eat them because you were a vegetarian.
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So you didn't even d-
customer: ... full of energy. And I would make up different sauces, and then we'd try 'em out on these people, and say, "What do you, what did you think? What'd you think?" I didn't eat the chicken, but I l- licked the sauce. agent: You didn't eat them because you were a vegetarian. customer: I didn't eat chicken.
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Right
agent: You didn't eat them because you were a vegetarian. customer: I didn't eat chicken. agent: So you didn't even d-
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... like, you didn't even take bites to chew it or anything. Nothing. You would not-
customer: I didn't eat chicken. agent: So you didn't even d- customer: Right
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No, I, I licked, I licked the sauce. I mean, I, I could remember what chicken tasted like, 'cause-
agent: So you didn't even d- customer: Right agent: ... like, you didn't even take bites to chew it or anything. Nothing. You would not-
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By the way, why were you a vegetarian?
customer: Right agent: ... like, you didn't even take bites to chew it or anything. Nothing. You would not- customer: No, I, I licked, I licked the sauce. I mean, I, I could remember what chicken tasted like, 'cause-
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Oh, man. I was a vegetarian because of... It was my way, and I, I, I, I remember the last time I had meat in my mouth at this time. It was when I was working up in Watertown.
agent: ... like, you didn't even take bites to chew it or anything. Nothing. You would not- customer: No, I, I licked, I licked the sauce. I mean, I, I could remember what chicken tasted like, 'cause- agent: By the way, why were you a vegetarian?
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Mm.
customer: No, I, I licked, I licked the sauce. I mean, I, I could remember what chicken tasted like, 'cause- agent: By the way, why were you a vegetarian? customer: Oh, man. I was a vegetarian because of... It was my way, and I, I, I, I remember the last time I had meat in my mouth at this time. It was when I was worki...
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Um, I came to the conclusion that the industry, uh, of commercially raising these animals was so full of cruelty, and the only way that I could personally protest it was to not eat meat. It was all I... It w- quite honestly, it was all I can do.
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Yeah.
customer: Oh, man. I was a vegetarian because of... It was my way, and I, I, I, I remember the last time I had meat in my mouth at this time. It was when I was working up in Watertown. agent: Mm. customer: Um, I came to the conclusion that the industry, uh, of commercially raising these animals was so full of cruelty, ...
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I was in the restaurant business. I had to sell meat.
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Yeah.
customer: Um, I came to the conclusion that the industry, uh, of commercially raising these animals was so full of cruelty, and the only way that I could personally protest it was to not eat meat. It was all I... It w- quite honestly, it was all I can do. agent: Yeah. customer: I was in the restaurant business. I had t...
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You know? But hopefully, we'll, we'll get to that. I mean, I, I had to sell meat right up until the moment I decided I didn't have to sell meat.
agent: Yeah. customer: I was in the restaurant business. I had to sell meat. agent: Yeah.
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So you are, and, and you're convinced this is gonna work.
customer: I was in the restaurant business. I had to sell meat. agent: Yeah. customer: You know? But hopefully, we'll, we'll get to that. I mean, I, I had to sell meat right up until the moment I decided I didn't have to sell meat.
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Yeah.
agent: Yeah. customer: You know? But hopefully, we'll, we'll get to that. I mean, I, I had to sell meat right up until the moment I decided I didn't have to sell meat. agent: So you are, and, and you're convinced this is gonna work.
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So first of all, where, where's the first, where's the location that you find to, to open this up?
customer: You know? But hopefully, we'll, we'll get to that. I mean, I, I had to sell meat right up until the moment I decided I didn't have to sell meat. agent: So you are, and, and you're convinced this is gonna work. customer: Yeah.
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It's in Garland, Texas, and it was ele- 1,100 square feet. All in.
agent: So you are, and, and you're convinced this is gonna work. customer: Yeah. agent: So first of all, where, where's the first, where's the location that you find to, to open this up?
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It had a hood. It had everything already there.
customer: Yeah. agent: So first of all, where, where's the first, where's the location that you find to, to open this up? customer: It's in Garland, Texas, and it was ele- 1,100 square feet. All in.
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It, it didn't have a type, uh, one hood. It had a heat-only hood. I don't know.
agent: So first of all, where, where's the first, where's the location that you find to, to open this up? customer: It's in Garland, Texas, and it was ele- 1,100 square feet. All in. agent: It had a hood. It had everything already there.
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Okay.
customer: It's in Garland, Texas, and it was ele- 1,100 square feet. All in. agent: It had a hood. It had everything already there. customer: It, it didn't have a type, uh, one hood. It had a heat-only hood. I don't know.
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But it wasn't big enough, and it wasn't the wood I- hood I needed, but it had two restrooms. And to put in a restroom, a- especially an ADA compliant restroom, is pretty expensive. So it had two restrooms already.
agent: It had a hood. It had everything already there. customer: It, it didn't have a type, uh, one hood. It had a heat-only hood. I don't know. agent: Okay.
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Mm-hmm.
customer: It, it didn't have a type, uh, one hood. It had a heat-only hood. I don't know. agent: Okay. customer: But it wasn't big enough, and it wasn't the wood I- hood I needed, but it had two restrooms. And to put in a restroom, a- especially an ADA compliant restroom, is pretty expensive. So it had two restrooms al...
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And the first manager, Rex, very important in this story, he had some construction skills, and he also had some good food training. And, uh, he worked for a cafeteria chain, and we used, even used a couple of the recipes in, in the first Wingstop.
agent: Okay. customer: But it wasn't big enough, and it wasn't the wood I- hood I needed, but it had two restrooms. And to put in a restroom, a- especially an ADA compliant restroom, is pretty expensive. So it had two restrooms already. agent: Mm-hmm.
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Mm.
customer: But it wasn't big enough, and it wasn't the wood I- hood I needed, but it had two restrooms. And to put in a restroom, a- especially an ADA compliant restroom, is pretty expensive. So it had two restrooms already. agent: Mm-hmm. customer: And the first manager, Rex, very important in this story, he had some c...
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You know, that he, he knew from the cafeteria.
agent: Mm-hmm. customer: And the first manager, Rex, very important in this story, he had some construction skills, and he also had some good food training. And, uh, he worked for a cafeteria chain, and we used, even used a couple of the recipes in, in the first Wingstop. agent: Mm.
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For, is Garland considered... I, I don't... Garland is not considered, uh, maybe an outer exurb of Dallas, but it's not even considered a suburb of Dallas, is it?
customer: And the first manager, Rex, very important in this story, he had some construction skills, and he also had some good food training. And, uh, he worked for a cafeteria chain, and we used, even used a couple of the recipes in, in the first Wingstop. agent: Mm. customer: You know, that he, he knew from the cafet...
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Yeah.
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Or am I wrong?
customer: You know, that he, he knew from the cafeteria. agent: For, is Garland considered... I, I don't... Garland is not considered, uh, maybe an outer exurb of Dallas, but it's not even considered a suburb of Dallas, is it? customer: Yeah.
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It's, it's a suburb. Yeah, and i- this shopping center, this is what it had gone for it. It- it- it had a Blockbuster Video as the anchor.
agent: For, is Garland considered... I, I don't... Garland is not considered, uh, maybe an outer exurb of Dallas, but it's not even considered a suburb of Dallas, is it? customer: Yeah. agent: Or am I wrong?
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Okay.
customer: Yeah. agent: Or am I wrong? customer: It's, it's a suburb. Yeah, and i- this shopping center, this is what it had gone for it. It- it- it had a Blockbuster Video as the anchor.
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And to me, that, to me, that was gold.
agent: Or am I wrong? customer: It's, it's a suburb. Yeah, and i- this shopping center, this is what it had gone for it. It- it- it had a Blockbuster Video as the anchor. agent: Okay.
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'Cause this, uh, did you, did you think that, hey, this is the perfect place to be 'cause people will get a bucket of chicken wings with their movie?
customer: It's, it's a suburb. Yeah, and i- this shopping center, this is what it had gone for it. It- it- it had a Blockbuster Video as the anchor. agent: Okay. customer: And to me, that, to me, that was gold.
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