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CMV: The "but she's actually 300 years old" excuse for lewding lolis is perfectly rational as the issue of age based consent is based on the younger party's inability to make an informed decision.
If I'm being completely honest, I'm not even into lolis and loli lewding, but the argument that a fictional character who'... | If they actually look like little kids, sure. Most of the time when I see this argument used though it's for a character like Megumin, who in no way has a little kids figure, she's just petite. | The reason is because based on the sexual preference on liking little kids figure. | 8oiawu | CMV: The "but she's actually 300 years old" excuse for lewding lolis is perfectly rational as the issue of age based consent is based on the younger party's inability to make an informed decision. | If I'm being completely honest, I'm not even into lolis and loli lewding, but the argument that a fictional character who's several hundred years old shouldn't be lewded and that lewding them makes you a pedophile just because they have a petite figure makes no sense to me.
I know the whole loli lewding thing in the a... | 1,528,127,198 | OddlySpecificReferen | e03j455 | e03iw0r | 2 | 1 |
CMV: Sex is Binary
Reiterating here, all statements below are my opinion, subject to fault.
\- Sex is binary. Male => has Y chromosome, female => does not have Y chromosome. This definition is inclusive toward those with chromosomal differences such as those with Kleinfelters, Turners, etc.
\- Sexual traits are stro... | TLDR: Sex is a social construct.
Male and female as labels are also a socially constructed way of grouping people together, the same way that trees and shrubs are socially constructed ways of grouping plants together.
There’s no scientific consensus on what makes a tree a tree and a shrub a shrub because the idea th... | Where do I fit?
I'm biologically female, but my perception of myself is male. Biology cannot be changed, there is nothing to argue there, it can be masked but your chromosomes and other physical traits cannot change. It's not even that important from my point of view.
As for gender, I don't think it's fluid at all,... | 10vh9jw | CMV: Sex is Binary | Reiterating here, all statements below are my opinion, subject to fault.
\- Sex is binary. Male => has Y chromosome, female => does not have Y chromosome. This definition is inclusive toward those with chromosomal differences such as those with Kleinfelters, Turners, etc.
\- Sexual traits are strongly bimodal. Males ... | 1,675,715,476 | _Saxpy | j7hq8r9 | j7hfpny | 2 | -1 |
CMV: Sex is Binary
Reiterating here, all statements below are my opinion, subject to fault.
\- Sex is binary. Male => has Y chromosome, female => does not have Y chromosome. This definition is inclusive toward those with chromosomal differences such as those with Kleinfelters, Turners, etc.
\- Sexual traits are stro... | >Male => has Y chromosome, female => does not have Y chromosome. This definition is inclusive toward those with chromosomal differences such as those with Kleinfelters, Turners, etc.
This isn't strictly speaking entirely correct because XY gonadal dysgenesis (with Y chromosome, but dysfunctional SRY group) exists, whi... | We don't use male to refer to people with Y chromosomes, and we know this because we used the word male long before we understood what chromosomes were.
Both males and females have testosterone. I understood what you were attempting to say, but you cannot make broad binary generalizations and simultaneously claim tha... | 10vh9jw | CMV: Sex is Binary | Reiterating here, all statements below are my opinion, subject to fault.
\- Sex is binary. Male => has Y chromosome, female => does not have Y chromosome. This definition is inclusive toward those with chromosomal differences such as those with Kleinfelters, Turners, etc.
\- Sexual traits are strongly bimodal. Males ... | 1,675,715,476 | _Saxpy | j7hgzzx | j7hfxtw | 14 | 1 |
CMV: Transgenderism is a delusional mental disorder and should be treated as such.
I am very open to changing this belief. In fact kind of hoping that I do. I believe that being transgender is comparable to being schizophrenic, or disassociative identity disorder. I think that the broad majority of the population agre... | I mean that is based on my definition of man and woman. Gender v Sex. | >In the beginning, Evie’s mother Sarah was raising a daughter but by the age of 5 Evie only wanted crewcut hairstyles and boy’s clothing. By middle school, Evie made the decision to be open about his social transitioning experience after attending a summer sleepaway camp.
>“We arranged with the camp that Evie would be... | 8opr6t | CMV: Transgenderism is a delusional mental disorder and should be treated as such. | I am very open to changing this belief. In fact kind of hoping that I do. I believe that being transgender is comparable to being schizophrenic, or disassociative identity disorder. I think that the broad majority of the population agrees with this. I think that we have developed this social desirability of tolerance b... | 1,528,194,923 | jimmy8rar1c0 | e057sq5 | e057f7a | 1 | -4 |
CMV: The burden of "employer paid tax" falls on the employee.
Employers have financial value assigned to various jobs. Employers can not spend on an employee more than the value that the employee brings in. When making calculations of the employee's salary, all the costs that the employee pulls in, such as social secu... | As in all cases, the tax burden is split between the buyer and seller, depending on the price elasticity of demand. In most cases, the seller, the employee, likely has lower elasticity than the buyer, the employee. However, generally, the burden of a tax is borne by both parties, just not equally.
Consider an extreme... | Employers do not pay employees based on the value that employee brings into the company. They pay employees based on the least they can find someone vaguely qualified willing to work that position for. This is usually far lower than the actual value the employee brings into the company. Once upon a time unions allow... | czz9u3 | CMV: The burden of "employer paid tax" falls on the employee. | Employers have financial value assigned to various jobs. Employers can not spend on an employee more than the value that the employee brings in. When making calculations of the employee's salary, all the costs that the employee pulls in, such as social security contributions, payroll taxes, and all other forms of tax, ... | 1,567,681,285 | Morphie12121 | ez4707g | ez46p0u | 9 | 0 |
CMV: summer is the worst and the sun is awful
Please try to change my view ! Gonna be forced to move to a suuuper sunny area, a "summer all year round" place..... but I HATE summer. Here is why:
1) fucking bugs dude
2) I burn easily
3) I hate my body so I'll never wear anything but sweatshirts and pants
4) can't swim/... | There is a really great way to address basically all of these: appropriate clothes. Coming from a super hot, sunny, humid, and buggy area, I have some advice.
Wear loose clothing. The looseness actually does more than the material. Believe it or not, a cotton baggy long sleeve shirt is gonna be less sweaty than a lin... | Cats are very happy in the summer. All that sun to snooze in. That's it. That's my reason. Cat happy, I'm happy. | 10vd7wl | CMV: summer is the worst and the sun is awful | Please try to change my view ! Gonna be forced to move to a suuuper sunny area, a "summer all year round" place..... but I HATE summer. Here is why:
1) fucking bugs dude
2) I burn easily
3) I hate my body so I'll never wear anything but sweatshirts and pants
4) can't swim/don't wanna
5) waaaay too bright, my eyes are s... | 1,675,706,306 | [deleted] | j7gulvj | j7gq5zx | 1 | 0 |
CMV: Transgenderism is a delusional mental disorder and should be treated as such.
I am very open to changing this belief. In fact kind of hoping that I do. I believe that being transgender is comparable to being schizophrenic, or disassociative identity disorder. I think that the broad majority of the population agre... | No only topics that I disagree on. Again, poor argument. I do my own research and come to my own conclusions. I am more than willing to critically decompose any point made by any individual, regardless of their position/knowledge until we reach a consensus. | Yep, a 16 year old that underwent a double mastectomy and gets weekly testosterone injections.
The majority of children who present as dysphoric experience desistance in GID symptoms. The percentage who experience desistance increases with age, up to and including *Age 28*
[https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/artic... | 8opr6t | CMV: Transgenderism is a delusional mental disorder and should be treated as such. | I am very open to changing this belief. In fact kind of hoping that I do. I believe that being transgender is comparable to being schizophrenic, or disassociative identity disorder. I think that the broad majority of the population agrees with this. I think that we have developed this social desirability of tolerance b... | 1,528,194,923 | jimmy8rar1c0 | e05co91 | e0590b9 | 1 | -2 |
CMV: Fact cannot possibly exist.
There is no way fact can possibly exist. All fact is based on repeatedly similar results from the same act. This is invalid in two ways. Firstly, ad antiquitatum is the argument that you cannot predict the result based on past observation. If every time you have smacked a table with yo... | I get your point, but what about things that happened in the past? If I banged my hand in the table 4 seconds ago and it made a bang, it's fact that banging my fist on the table created sound | I honestly don’t remember myself, but it’s just point system so don’t worry about it. | 8oob3p | CMV: Fact cannot possibly exist. | There is no way fact can possibly exist. All fact is based on repeatedly similar results from the same act. This is invalid in two ways. Firstly, ad antiquitatum is the argument that you cannot predict the result based on past observation. If every time you have smacked a table with your fist it has made a loud noise, ... | 1,528,176,697 | jimmy8rar1c0 | e04ynp2 | e04yfn6 | 1 | 0 |
CMV: I don’t understand the cult appeal of Arrested Development.
Mind you, I love the Russo Brothers work in the MCU and on Community. With the approach of the 5th season, my girlfriend and my cousin raved about AD. I watched the first four seasons, and... it’s just alright. I mean, there’s some funny stuff in there, ... | > Community or Parks and Rec
Those are also two of my favorite shows, but the humor in AD is different from either of those shows. AD is darker and more pointed than either *Community* or *Parks*. *Community* and (especially) *Parks* are sympathetic towards their characters; even though Winger is arrogant, Leslie is a... | I didn’t like the show for a long time and couldn’t fathom its appeal. However, it has grown on me in the sense that it is full of quotable and memeable moments. In a way this is because it is a terrible show with ridiculous plot lines and characters, although I suppose that is intended.
So for example, “there is alwa... | 8oa7fy | CMV: I don’t understand the cult appeal of Arrested Development. | Mind you, I love the Russo Brothers work in the MCU and on Community. With the approach of the 5th season, my girlfriend and my cousin raved about AD. I watched the first four seasons, and... it’s just alright. I mean, there’s some funny stuff in there, but overall, I don’t see it as worthy of cult status. It’s not lik... | 1,528,047,608 | thedeadwillwalk | e01yhtt | e01tpdn | 10 | 4 |
CMV: Complete legalization of any registered illegal drugs is a bad idea
I think there is now quite a **strong emotional bias** toward drugs in our generations, and it seems to have driven one of the strongest echo-chamber in the web, with strong opinions that are only reinforced by a complete disregard of any scienti... | >1 - Are drugs harmful ?
I dont disagree with anything you have said in this section, however as you have acknowledged there are many legal drugs (alcohol) that can be incredibly harmful, and yet the majority of people manage to healthy or at least non-destructive relationships with these drugs.
We as a society have... | What is the moral imperative to incarcerate non-violent drug offenders at the expense of the tax-payer? Let’s say there’s someone who’s gainfully employed, pays the rent on time, has a vibrant social life, is kind and respectful, abides the golden rule, etc.
This person also occasionally enjoys chemically altering th... | eqjzh2 | CMV: Complete legalization of any registered illegal drugs is a bad idea | I think there is now quite a **strong emotional bias** toward drugs in our generations, and it seems to have driven one of the strongest echo-chamber in the web, with strong opinions that are only reinforced by a complete disregard of any scientific research that hint at harmful effects of said drugs versus the positiv... | 1,579,371,313 | RocBrizar | fetojez | fetn8m5 | 7 | 4 |
CMV: People get into fitness not for health but for personal appearance and sexual appeal.
I'm going to say this goes specifically to men, from what I've seen in personal experiences and heard from friends experience. First, let's separate fitness from sports. Everyone agrees that doing sports is good for your health... | So everyone has the same motives? "People" in general? This is absolutist thinking and it's pretty easy to counter. I will expand on it, however. If you want me to. | That depends on the person. This generalization serves no purpose. Many do, many don't. Can't give you exact numbers but I've met many different kinds of people going to the gym. | l1b5h2 | CMV: People get into fitness not for health but for personal appearance and sexual appeal. | I'm going to say this goes specifically to men, from what I've seen in personal experiences and heard from friends experience. First, let's separate fitness from sports. Everyone agrees that doing sports is good for your health and can increase your life expectancy. Wether it's soccer, swimming or a martial art you ar... | 1,611,155,854 | arnodorian96 | gjyfb6d | gjycsx1 | 19 | 2 |
CMV: Transgenderism is a delusional mental disorder and should be treated as such.
I am very open to changing this belief. In fact kind of hoping that I do. I believe that being transgender is comparable to being schizophrenic, or disassociative identity disorder. I think that the broad majority of the population agre... | WAIT I'M BACK!
I still view gender and sex as co-dependent. I do however understand the concept depending on indiviudal understanding of the definition.
I still fundamentally disagree with the definition. But the following argument is invalid to all who agree with the distinction which i believe to be the majority. ... | >In the beginning, Evie’s mother Sarah was raising a daughter but by the age of 5 Evie only wanted crewcut hairstyles and boy’s clothing. By middle school, Evie made the decision to be open about his social transitioning experience after attending a summer sleepaway camp.
>“We arranged with the camp that Evie would be... | 8opr6t | CMV: Transgenderism is a delusional mental disorder and should be treated as such. | I am very open to changing this belief. In fact kind of hoping that I do. I believe that being transgender is comparable to being schizophrenic, or disassociative identity disorder. I think that the broad majority of the population agrees with this. I think that we have developed this social desirability of tolerance b... | 1,528,194,923 | jimmy8rar1c0 | e05appt | e057f7a | 1 | -4 |
CMV: Transgenderism is a delusional mental disorder and should be treated as such.
I am very open to changing this belief. In fact kind of hoping that I do. I believe that being transgender is comparable to being schizophrenic, or disassociative identity disorder. I think that the broad majority of the population agre... | I disagree with this fundamentally. Brain scans can find patterns between male and female brains. This does not make one brain male and one female.
I do not separate sex from gender. I do not think "man" is a sense of feeling. | >In the beginning, Evie’s mother Sarah was raising a daughter but by the age of 5 Evie only wanted crewcut hairstyles and boy’s clothing. By middle school, Evie made the decision to be open about his social transitioning experience after attending a summer sleepaway camp.
>“We arranged with the camp that Evie would be... | 8opr6t | CMV: Transgenderism is a delusional mental disorder and should be treated as such. | I am very open to changing this belief. In fact kind of hoping that I do. I believe that being transgender is comparable to being schizophrenic, or disassociative identity disorder. I think that the broad majority of the population agrees with this. I think that we have developed this social desirability of tolerance b... | 1,528,194,923 | jimmy8rar1c0 | e058xaa | e057f7a | 1 | -4 |
CMV: Touchscreens are a driving hazard
Look I'll be the first to admit that they're cool. They are.
But they make no sense.
If you can remember life before you had a touchscreen in your car, you can probably remember doing things like:
* Changing the volume on your radio
* Changing the station
* Adjusting the heat/... | I used to think so too. But then I've noticed modern aircraft are very often equipped with similar touchscreens. Some things are still controlled with physical knobs and buttons, but some functions are delegated to touchscreens. Even on fighter jets, like the F-35.
If this is good enough for aviation that's so tightly... | There are also cars that also have buttons in the steering wheel to control the radio volume. If that's a valid argument to say that phones in general are not a driving hazard, then it's a valid argument too to say that touch screens are not a driving hazard. | l1ayxi | CMV: Touchscreens are a driving hazard | Look I'll be the first to admit that they're cool. They are.
But they make no sense.
If you can remember life before you had a touchscreen in your car, you can probably remember doing things like:
* Changing the volume on your radio
* Changing the station
* Adjusting the heat/defog/aircon
All without once looking a... | 1,611,155,288 | Ohigetjokes | gjyddan | gjyb37k | 6 | 2 |
CMV: There are more factors that cause 21st political instability and distrust in democratic institutions, besides rampant misinformation from the Internet.
Yes. Social media, and also the internet itself are leading large swaths of the public and/or electorate to become misinformed and more resentful of democratic in... | I was putting my emphasis on the United States. Sorry that I may have come off as a bit US-centric. However, this is an ongoing issue that radiates across the world. After seeing what happened at Capitol Hill, I'd figured that it's about time society discusses what we do with extremely polarized and perhaps even misinf... | Clarification, what exactly do you think the problem is. That was a lot of explanations of the origins of the problem.
If you word it as political instability (in America?), I would argue that there is none.
Elections are going fine, even in a pandemic. Trump challenged the results in court and failed, success for pe... | l12ui0 | CMV: There are more factors that cause 21st political instability and distrust in democratic institutions, besides rampant misinformation from the Internet. | Yes. Social media, and also the internet itself are leading large swaths of the public and/or electorate to become misinformed and more resentful of democratic institutions. However, I believe it is silly to just suggest that people should and must trust in democratic institutions, especially one in the US; because the... | 1,611,121,306 | optimisticnihilist__ | gjx1vgp | gjx195b | 1 | 0 |
CMV: Fact cannot possibly exist.
There is no way fact can possibly exist. All fact is based on repeatedly similar results from the same act. This is invalid in two ways. Firstly, ad antiquitatum is the argument that you cannot predict the result based on past observation. If every time you have smacked a table with yo... | You have to change your mind because "Fact cannot possibly exist" is itself a claim of the existence of a fact, which contradicts the statement, proving itself false and proving that "Facts can exist" as true.
Thus logic is the ultimate means of certainty, not number of observations or empiricism!
(The *manner* of h... | >If every time you have smacked a table with your fist it has made a loud noise, that does not necessarily mean it always will. 100% of all past observation is 0% of the conceptualized infinite possibilities
Those infinite conceptualized possibilities would involve *changing something.*
Yet the fact remains, that i... | 8oob3p | CMV: Fact cannot possibly exist. | There is no way fact can possibly exist. All fact is based on repeatedly similar results from the same act. This is invalid in two ways. Firstly, ad antiquitatum is the argument that you cannot predict the result based on past observation. If every time you have smacked a table with your fist it has made a loud noise, ... | 1,528,176,697 | jimmy8rar1c0 | e04xjio | e04wvq5 | 19 | 9 |
CMV: Gender based quotas for some jobs (specifically where you let in people with lower qualifications just because they help fill that quota) seems dumb.
Now- What I'm specifically talking about is jobs like firefighting and other jobs where lives are on the line, or jobs where less women in general apply and the rea... | One thing of note is that female firefighters have smaller lungs and often last much longer on a single oxygen tank. A common strategy is for the women to go in and look for the people (as they can last longer in the building and can fit in smaller places), find the people, and send the guys in to get them all out (in ... | Not all women are more flexible than all men.
Not all women have a higher pain tolerance than all men.
Not all women can fit in a smaller space than all men.
If these are positives for firefighters, they could be added to the evaluations and apply in a non gendered way. If it means more women qualify great, I'd it me... | l0s2n9 | CMV: Gender based quotas for some jobs (specifically where you let in people with lower qualifications just because they help fill that quota) seems dumb. | Now- What I'm specifically talking about is jobs like firefighting and other jobs where lives are on the line, or jobs where less women in general apply and the reason there's less women is because of that fact- not because of bias, or anything like that.
I should elaborate- I remember hearing about the one project w... | 1,611,087,058 | spaghettbaguett | gk5o367 | gjz73dz | 1 | 0 |
CMV: summer is the worst and the sun is awful
Please try to change my view ! Gonna be forced to move to a suuuper sunny area, a "summer all year round" place..... but I HATE summer. Here is why:
1) fucking bugs dude
2) I burn easily
3) I hate my body so I'll never wear anything but sweatshirts and pants
4) can't swim/... | I will trap you on a technicality to milk delta from you :D
Summer in northern countries is the best. Weather is usually around 20 C (68 F) and often cloudy. Even if it is sunny then it is still not too hot. So summer is easily the best season :) | Cats are very happy in the summer. All that sun to snooze in. That's it. That's my reason. Cat happy, I'm happy. | 10vd7wl | CMV: summer is the worst and the sun is awful | Please try to change my view ! Gonna be forced to move to a suuuper sunny area, a "summer all year round" place..... but I HATE summer. Here is why:
1) fucking bugs dude
2) I burn easily
3) I hate my body so I'll never wear anything but sweatshirts and pants
4) can't swim/don't wanna
5) waaaay too bright, my eyes are s... | 1,675,706,306 | [deleted] | j7h2ox9 | j7gq5zx | 1 | 0 |
CMV: The "but she's actually 300 years old" excuse for lewding lolis is perfectly rational as the issue of age based consent is based on the younger party's inability to make an informed decision.
If I'm being completely honest, I'm not even into lolis and loli lewding, but the argument that a fictional character who'... | Let say a guy liked an anime girl who is 300 years old but has the body of a 11 year old girl. The guy, let's call him Steve, is sexually attracted to this character, let's call her Alex.
The story progresses and Alex's body is hit by radiation and so her brain is put into a 45 year old man's body.
Is Steve still se... | Let’s say for example I make a fictional character that is dark skinned and then make derogatory remarks toward that character. Does that excuse me from being a racist? If not, then the creation of Jim Crow (I think that’s what the cartoon is called) excuses those people that subscribe to it from racism. The problem is... | 8oiawu | CMV: The "but she's actually 300 years old" excuse for lewding lolis is perfectly rational as the issue of age based consent is based on the younger party's inability to make an informed decision. | If I'm being completely honest, I'm not even into lolis and loli lewding, but the argument that a fictional character who's several hundred years old shouldn't be lewded and that lewding them makes you a pedophile just because they have a petite figure makes no sense to me.
I know the whole loli lewding thing in the a... | 1,528,127,198 | OddlySpecificReferen | e03q8bb | e03jgjl | 9 | 1 |
CMV: As long as clear disclosure is made, people should be able to practice in any field, including things like law and medicine, even without a license.
I’ve recently watched the show Suits (minor spoilers in here). The initial premise of the show is looking at a guy Mike Ross who is able to understand and remember a... | Licensed civil engineer, here. Lives depend on my designs. If I get it wrong, people could die.
In your scenario, would you just put a sign outside the entrance of a building that I helped design that says, "disclosure; this building was designed by an unlicensed professional?" What does that do in the event of a bui... | >Are licensed public defenders on the same level as attorneys hired by those with means?
Not but they have passed a metric of what it means to be "qualified". They can also be punished for incompetent practicing by having their license taken away.
Without the license I'd go, "Public defenders are overworked. I've see... | 10vbm5b | CMV: As long as clear disclosure is made, people should be able to practice in any field, including things like law and medicine, even without a license. | I’ve recently watched the show Suits (minor spoilers in here). The initial premise of the show is looking at a guy Mike Ross who is able to understand and remember anything he reads. He is so knowledgeable about law he could pass pretty much any test given, however he never went to law school, nor passed the bar, so he... | 1,675,702,633 | empurrfekt | j7gj7ni | j7gh78o | 28 | 6 |
CMV: Gender based quotas for some jobs (specifically where you let in people with lower qualifications just because they help fill that quota) seems dumb.
Now- What I'm specifically talking about is jobs like firefighting and other jobs where lives are on the line, or jobs where less women in general apply and the rea... | Lowering the required marks is not the same thing as a quota. It doesn't impose a certain number of females among the force, it increases the percentage of applicant that are hired, that's different. Instead of just hiring everyone to fill the quota you take the best 15% instead of the best 10% - that's still generally... | A couple things about this:
1) I see pretty often this argument coming from a place of "I remember hearing about the one project" and not offering exact details. It's easy to form opinions about something like this without understanding the full context. So, bringing up a program that you remember hearing about with... | l0s2n9 | CMV: Gender based quotas for some jobs (specifically where you let in people with lower qualifications just because they help fill that quota) seems dumb. | Now- What I'm specifically talking about is jobs like firefighting and other jobs where lives are on the line, or jobs where less women in general apply and the reason there's less women is because of that fact- not because of bias, or anything like that.
I should elaborate- I remember hearing about the one project w... | 1,611,087,058 | spaghettbaguett | gjv9a16 | gjv8wlj | 18 | 7 |
CMV: The punishment for attempted murder should be the same as for murder.
It seems to me that if you try and kill someone and are successful, you are subject to a much more rigid punishment than if your victim somehow survives. This makes no sense to me. The ACT is the same. If we each shoot someone in the chest... | >Similarly, if you are caught driving drunk and kill someone, why is the punishment more severe than someone who got lucky and didn't find someone on the side of the road to kill.
Because one act resulted in a dead human, and the other didn't. Dead humans are kind of a big deal, especially when they are prematurely de... | While I generally agree with you, the problem is that an attempted murderer (sometimes) could have backed down, and that there is (sometimes) less evidence.
Let’s imagine somebody is caught driving to their target’s house, and there are some guns in their car, plus some other stuff that makes it clear what they are pl... | 10veici | CMV: The punishment for attempted murder should be the same as for murder. | It seems to me that if you try and kill someone and are successful, you are subject to a much more rigid punishment than if your victim somehow survives. This makes no sense to me. The ACT is the same. If we each shoot someone in the chest, and the guy I shot miraculously pulls through, but the guy you shot dies, ... | 1,675,709,199 | marklbetya | j7gyj2p | j7gy5u6 | 11 | 5 |
CMV: The SAT is not racist.
So I have seen multiple articles online that state that "Ending White supremacy means ending racist testing" and study finds that white people on sat score 99 points higher than black people. However, this is not the fault of the SAT itself, but of income inequality between groups. Colleges... | If you study enough and prep enough to become good at the subject the SAT is testing, then you pass the thing the SAT is testing, your academic knowledge level on mathematics and reading. It doesn't matter where you gain these skills, the SAT makes sure you are good at them. Now, if the poor don't have access to the fu... | It is not class-blind. That’s for damn sure. The richer you are and the richer your community, the more opportunities you’ve got for SAT prep courses, tutors, and you’ve got access to higher quality public schools due to higher local tax funding.
Regardless of if you’re “smart” or not, you can study and prep enough t... | l0z87a | CMV: The SAT is not racist. | So I have seen multiple articles online that state that "Ending White supremacy means ending racist testing" and study finds that white people on sat score 99 points higher than black people. However, this is not the fault of the SAT itself, but of income inequality between groups. Colleges already combat this through ... | 1,611,108,465 | TheAnonymous123456 | gjwh5pz | gjwgcfc | 10 | 5 |
CMV: Pride parades should have less NSFW content
To preface, I'm bisexual and I love pride month and pride parades. However, I think that the amount of inappropriate content impedes some of the intent behind pride.
To me, pride is about celebrating the LGBT+ community and promoting acceptance and understanding. It's... | It is possible for it to be a place for families AND for sexual openness.
Im from the Caribbean, and carnival is a big thing in my culture. You could definitely say its sexually open \- we dress up in masquerade costumes \(kind of like bikinis with a lot of extra decorations\) and wine on each other all day long. It ... | But how else are people gonna taunt the homophobes and bigots? It's gotta be so cathartic for people who've been hurt deeply by this.
On a more serious note, it probably feels even more safe and it's about being yourself to the max. It tends to drive the abusers away and/or draw them out in to the open, which is doub... | 8ood75 | CMV: Pride parades should have less NSFW content | To preface, I'm bisexual and I love pride month and pride parades. However, I think that the amount of inappropriate content impedes some of the intent behind pride.
To me, pride is about celebrating the LGBT+ community and promoting acceptance and understanding. It's about not being ashamed of who we love and what w... | 1,528,177,367 | punmaster29 | e04z88s | e04xgyk | 628 | -255 |
CMV: Fact cannot possibly exist.
There is no way fact can possibly exist. All fact is based on repeatedly similar results from the same act. This is invalid in two ways. Firstly, ad antiquitatum is the argument that you cannot predict the result based on past observation. If every time you have smacked a table with yo... | As many others have pointed out the ability to verify a fact is completely separate from whether something is in fact a fact.
Also, things that are vague enough and dealing with the past are facts.
This is a 100 percent factual statement from my point:
I currently believe that at some point in the past that I was... | I see your statement as highly flawed. For example, it is a fact that I posted that I see your statement as highly flawed.
I think you're arguing more against the inability to determine the predictive nature of factual events in the past as infallible, and I'd agree there.
Facts do exist, but the compilation of fact... | 8oob3p | CMV: Fact cannot possibly exist. | There is no way fact can possibly exist. All fact is based on repeatedly similar results from the same act. This is invalid in two ways. Firstly, ad antiquitatum is the argument that you cannot predict the result based on past observation. If every time you have smacked a table with your fist it has made a loud noise, ... | 1,528,176,697 | jimmy8rar1c0 | e04y6zv | e04xun9 | 7 | 2 |
CMV: The Prophet Muhammad, claimed under Islam as the Most Moral of All Men, was a child rapist.
The hadiths make it clear that he took his wife Aisha for marriage when she was 6. Many Muhammad apologists try to say she was actually much older and the Hadiths in question can't be trusted since they aren't "the word of... | That's why I always say respect people but not their religion | It’s a fake religion, don’t let fool you or bother you. | mvqyoq | CMV: The Prophet Muhammad, claimed under Islam as the Most Moral of All Men, was a child rapist. | The hadiths make it clear that he took his wife Aisha for marriage when she was 6. Many Muhammad apologists try to say she was actually much older and the Hadiths in question can't be trusted since they aren't "the word of Allah".. even though many are first hand accounts of the girl herself. By following the logic tha... | 1,619,043,608 | Drewsef916 | gvfz4tk | gvexf71 | 2 | 1 |
CMV: IGN is being hypocritical by both reviewing Hogwarts Legacy and stating that they are "champions of human rights causes."
***Please Note: This is intended to be a very narrow view so that the conversation does not go down multiple rabbit holes.***
[IGN today, released their review of Hogwarts Legacy](https://yo... | I mean, it would have been easy for them to review it and never even touch the controversy. They didn't have to pin that comment. They probably got a lot of hate for it.
And, you gotta look at the full sentence here. The second half is "and support people speaking with their wallets in whatever manner they choose." Th... | > For the sake of this debate, I will be taking for granted that JK Rowling has expressed harmful transphobic views
No, that’s pretty much the key here. If you’re going to claim that she has made transphobic comments, you’re going to have to explain what it is she’s said that falls into that category. | 10v752j | CMV: IGN is being hypocritical by both reviewing Hogwarts Legacy and stating that they are "champions of human rights causes." | ***Please Note: This is intended to be a very narrow view so that the conversation does not go down multiple rabbit holes.***
[IGN today, released their review of Hogwarts Legacy](https://youtu.be/F6dZxoob8CY), a new open world game set in the Harry Potter world which, by all accounts, looks to be a very fun game. D... | 1,675,691,603 | eternallylearning | j7fr4qz | j7fqt8x | 27 | -1 |
CMV: Leaf blowers should be redesigned for constant RPM, not banned.
I have heard about "leaf blower bans" before, and and never really understood it.. I have personally heard lawnmowers and leafblowers, hey, lawnmowers are just as loud as leafblowers.
However, after living at a condo that is served by a landscaping... | There are many problems with that idea:
1. Leaf blowers are banned mostly because of noise, partly because of emissions/polluition.
2. If you made a leaf blower be a constant RPM (and a useful one) you'd make them _radically_ more polluting since it would be running at a powerful speed even when not needed - burning ... | First off, I really like this CMV topic - pretty unique.
I think that banning leaf blowers is much a more cost-efficient way to reduce noise pollution. If you start imposing regulations on something like a leaf blower, then you have to commit significant additional resources into enforcing those regulations than you w... | 8omiae | CMV: Leaf blowers should be redesigned for constant RPM, not banned. | I have heard about "leaf blower bans" before, and and never really understood it.. I have personally heard lawnmowers and leafblowers, hey, lawnmowers are just as loud as leafblowers.
However, after living at a condo that is served by a landscaping company that apparently deems it necessary to spend 4 hours blowing w... | 1,528,159,210 | kvuo75 | e04i092 | e04hs55 | 19 | 8 |
CMV: general education is useless past 9th grade
I am writing this as someone who will be studying engineering soon. General education should only serve the purpose of equipping the individual with some basic understandings of certain things and help people figure out what they actually want to study, which typically ... | If engineers could only write at an eighth grade level, they'd be unable to successfully complete their jobs.
Even the rather simple paragraph you wrote above is written at the 13th grade level, which is well above the 8th grade reading level you propose as being useless. If you only had an 8th grade writing level, y... | Creative problem solving, which is necessary in every vocation if you want to advance, requires the connecting of disparate, seemingly unrelated elements to create a novel concept. If you focus your study in a single vertical, you will have fewer chances to exercise that skill than you would otherwise.
Also, engineer... | 8om9r9 | CMV: general education is useless past 9th grade | I am writing this as someone who will be studying engineering soon. General education should only serve the purpose of equipping the individual with some basic understandings of certain things and help people figure out what they actually want to study, which typically would be done by the time of 9th grade or so (mayb... | 1,528,157,178 | [deleted] | e04hrhb | e04h4hz | 6 | 1 |
CMV: Having 'Cheat Days' Will Make Sticking With a Diet More Difficult
It is not that it is detrimental to your health, one day out of many where you eat less healthy food won't ruin your health. But it is the worst way to motivate yourself and will make sticking to a diet more difficult.
In having a cheat day, you a... | Gretchen Rubin's *Better Than Before* discusses how there are distinct types of personality, who are more and less likely to experience the benefit or harm of a less-than-absolute standard.
I'm not sure I buy into her exact taxonomy of ways that people relate to habits, but it makes sense to me that this is sometimes ... | Will power isn't some core aspect of a human being, it is entirely depended upon the individual's overall health in addition to their environment and experiences. So while I agree with you somewhat, I also think we should not butt heads by pretending we can lump everyone into the same boat. It just doesn't work and i... | 8oo550 | CMV: Having 'Cheat Days' Will Make Sticking With a Diet More Difficult | It is not that it is detrimental to your health, one day out of many where you eat less healthy food won't ruin your health. But it is the worst way to motivate yourself and will make sticking to a diet more difficult.
In having a cheat day, you are attributing bad food with a reward and therefore good food with a pun... | 1,528,174,883 | krampster2 | e04ym41 | e04yimh | 2 | 1 |
CMV: People get into fitness not for health but for personal appearance and sexual appeal.
I'm going to say this goes specifically to men, from what I've seen in personal experiences and heard from friends experience. First, let's separate fitness from sports. Everyone agrees that doing sports is good for your health... | Can't say anything about guys that want abs specifically but as a girl I got into it first as an excuse to hang out with somebody and then later stuck with it because it changed my mental wellbeing. I love lifting weights and have an interest in feeling good about my body but it's more mental than my actual appearance.... | I cant truly speak for others since, ya know, I'm not them. However, I can speak for myself. I am getting in shape because it's annoying to be out of shape. I climb a set of stairs (doesnt even have to be that high) and my legs are basically like "why are you doing this? I rather be chilling on the couch". I went on a ... | l1b5h2 | CMV: People get into fitness not for health but for personal appearance and sexual appeal. | I'm going to say this goes specifically to men, from what I've seen in personal experiences and heard from friends experience. First, let's separate fitness from sports. Everyone agrees that doing sports is good for your health and can increase your life expectancy. Wether it's soccer, swimming or a martial art you ar... | 1,611,155,854 | arnodorian96 | gk14bvj | gk07jnw | 2 | 1 |
CMV: IGN is being hypocritical by both reviewing Hogwarts Legacy and stating that they are "champions of human rights causes."
***Please Note: This is intended to be a very narrow view so that the conversation does not go down multiple rabbit holes.***
[IGN today, released their review of Hogwarts Legacy](https://yo... | Why would you say the consensus is that purchasing Hogwarts Legacy supports Rowling?
Why would IGN reviewing a game mean they didn’t care about human rights?
Aren’t they taking a stance by reviewing the game?
Why does the fact that they’re clearly virtue signally mean they don’t care about human rights?
If you ... | > For the sake of this debate, I will be taking for granted that JK Rowling has expressed harmful transphobic views
No, that’s pretty much the key here. If you’re going to claim that she has made transphobic comments, you’re going to have to explain what it is she’s said that falls into that category. | 10v752j | CMV: IGN is being hypocritical by both reviewing Hogwarts Legacy and stating that they are "champions of human rights causes." | ***Please Note: This is intended to be a very narrow view so that the conversation does not go down multiple rabbit holes.***
[IGN today, released their review of Hogwarts Legacy](https://youtu.be/F6dZxoob8CY), a new open world game set in the Harry Potter world which, by all accounts, looks to be a very fun game. D... | 1,675,691,603 | eternallylearning | j7frm6p | j7fqt8x | 9 | -1 |
CMV: A Mass Boycott of Hogwarts Legacy is Nonsensical and Harmful
Recently there has been a large push toward massively boycotting Hogwarts Legacy, and honestly, I think the whole idea of doing so is extremely nonsensical, I'll explain the views of why we should boycott, and subsequently why I think this is silly, and... | Game Dev's careers can depend on the reception and sales that a game makes. If this game flops, people will lose their jobs, and their work history will show they worked on a title that performed poorly. Obviously, this will affect different people in the team differently, but overall the reception of a game can be hig... | The pushback against the game is **largely** non-existent. Of all my friend group (we all play a lot of video games), none of us are deciding to boycott and also don't know anyone who is outside of our group. Pretty much everyone dislikes Rowling, but at this point no one cares all that much. | 10vhm3t | CMV: A Mass Boycott of Hogwarts Legacy is Nonsensical and Harmful | Recently there has been a large push toward massively boycotting Hogwarts Legacy, and honestly, I think the whole idea of doing so is extremely nonsensical, I'll explain the views of why we should boycott, and subsequently why I think this is silly, and hopefully, someone can bring up a point I'm missing.
# Apparent ... | 1,675,716,255 | ZombieIsTired | j7hic3r | j7hgxe2 | 1 | -1 |
CMV: any ban on race-conscious admissions at universities would be unenforceable
The Supreme Court is considering a case that could prohibit universities from factoring in an applicant's ethnic background in admissions decisions. The rationale behind this practice is generally based on two arguments: (1) race-consciou... | >Is it possible for colleges to have a truly meritocratic, color-blind admissions process, free of human bias
Sure: Just feed all of the applications into a program that scrubs them of place information, names, and replaces certain key words or phrases like "black student union" president with a more generic "club" pr... | In a legal sense you’d have to use what’s called disparate impact analysis:
https://www.justice.gov/crt/fcs/T6Manual7
So you’d be looking at results rather than process. If you have a significant mismatch between students who applied and who got accepted you could end up on the wrong side of a court case. | 10v6d26 | CMV: any ban on race-conscious admissions at universities would be unenforceable | The Supreme Court is considering a case that could prohibit universities from factoring in an applicant's ethnic background in admissions decisions. The rationale behind this practice is generally based on two arguments: (1) race-conscious admissions contribute to a more diverse campus, which improves the educational e... | 1,675,689,391 | Roughneck16 | j7fmpz2 | j7fmibs | 8 | 4 |
CMV: Hospital emergency rooms should turn away people who don't have a health emergency in order to make medicaid less of a burden on the American taxpayer.
I was listening to a podcast the other day and they mentioned that one of the big problems in American healthcare is that a lot of people use the emergency room a... | I think you may be misunderstanding. I don't know your source (it would be very helpful if you shared) but I've heard the saying before and it doesn't mean what you assume. These people likely are experiencing actual medical emergencies. But these are often emergencies that could have been prevented with better primary... | Many people don't have medicaid either and while the ER is often the only care they get, I wouldn't call it primary care. I think that implies a different kind of care. If you're already at the point of an ER visit and you're broke, you've already tried everything at home that you could think of | 10v7fh7 | CMV: Hospital emergency rooms should turn away people who don't have a health emergency in order to make medicaid less of a burden on the American taxpayer. | I was listening to a podcast the other day and they mentioned that one of the big problems in American healthcare is that a lot of people use the emergency room as primary healthcare. I assume two things: that people doing this have medicaid (no cost to them), and that since ER's are very expensive, this inflates healt... | 1,675,692,352 | bobsagetsmaid | j7fumen | j7fshqb | 10 | 2 |
CMV: general education is useless past 9th grade
I am writing this as someone who will be studying engineering soon. General education should only serve the purpose of equipping the individual with some basic understandings of certain things and help people figure out what they actually want to study, which typically ... | I'm currently in university for computer science. A lot of people kind of scoff at this, since a CS curriculum has all sorts of stuff like math, statistics, ethics, english, and science courses that are completely irrelevant for most programming jobs. You don't need calculus to make a website, so why bother? Just figur... | Exercising your brain is good, but that should be up to you when you have time to do it. The only thing schools are supposed to do is "training your brain" in a way that is relevant to your career. | 8om9r9 | CMV: general education is useless past 9th grade | I am writing this as someone who will be studying engineering soon. General education should only serve the purpose of equipping the individual with some basic understandings of certain things and help people figure out what they actually want to study, which typically would be done by the time of 9th grade or so (mayb... | 1,528,157,178 | [deleted] | e04h2e7 | e04gwo5 | 2 | -1 |
CMV: The SAT is not racist.
So I have seen multiple articles online that state that "Ending White supremacy means ending racist testing" and study finds that white people on sat score 99 points higher than black people. However, this is not the fault of the SAT itself, but of income inequality between groups. Colleges... | One of my high school teachers described a time when she proctored the SAT. A native Spanish speaking test taker in cheaper looking clothing walked up to her and asked her what a word in a reading passage meant. She said she couldn't give her any extra information and told the student to go back to her seat.
The worl... | “Society’s fault”.
The test should not be something that you can game and prep for. Poorer students can’t afford the cost or the time it takes to religiously prep like richer kids can. It’s unfair. The way the test is laid out, it favors the upper class and the wealthy.
The SAT is not government controlled and it’s... | l0z87a | CMV: The SAT is not racist. | So I have seen multiple articles online that state that "Ending White supremacy means ending racist testing" and study finds that white people on sat score 99 points higher than black people. However, this is not the fault of the SAT itself, but of income inequality between groups. Colleges already combat this through ... | 1,611,108,465 | TheAnonymous123456 | gjwi2st | gjwhx2t | 37 | 3 |
CMV: Dogs are Better Companions Than Cats
I've always been a firm believer that dogs make superior companions compared to cats. While I understand that pet preferences can be subjective, I genuinely believe that the loyalty, affection, and unique qualities of dogs surpass those of cats.
Dogs are known for their unwa... | I've had dogs and cats. While I love both, I do think that cats are better companions from an objective standpoint.
Where I live, summers are *hot* and winters are *cold*. Dogs need to be outside to do their business and to exercise, while cats do not. This means going out in uncomfortable temperatures and constantly ... | I think there’s such a large variety of cats and dogs. And also, it is super dependant on what you are more into. If you are an older person you probably don’t want a dog. If you have a baby I wouldn’t get a dog. If you don’t like noise I wouldn’t get a dog. If you live in an apartment I wouldn’t get a dog. Also there ... | 19c8kyi | CMV: Dogs are Better Companions Than Cats | I've always been a firm believer that dogs make superior companions compared to cats. While I understand that pet preferences can be subjective, I genuinely believe that the loyalty, affection, and unique qualities of dogs surpass those of cats.
Dogs are known for their unwavering loyalty and devotion to their owners... | 1,705,858,192 | GlassLivid | kix01ee | kiwzcwu | 12 | 7 |
CMV: Male rape cases are not taken remotely as serious as female rape cases are.
I think society thinks that Men don’t get raped or that men should enjoy any sex they can have and are incapable of feeling the same shame and emotion women do after rape. I think most people even laugh it off because if a man doesn’t enj... | There are a couple of reasons why this is so.
1. Men are usually in a position of greater physical ability. That is to say, 2 men on average are capable of fighting one another, with the result being questionable. However, the difference between an average man and woman in terms of physical dominance is massive. Men o... | Part off the problem, is that much like physical assault against men, sexual assault against men is normalized by TV and movies, and often used for comedic effect.
Just take a look at the smash hit *Wedding Crashers*.
Vince Vaughn is jerked off under the table against his will at dinner, and is later tied up an... | 8okz8r | CMV: Male rape cases are not taken remotely as serious as female rape cases are. | I think society thinks that Men don’t get raped or that men should enjoy any sex they can have and are incapable of feeling the same shame and emotion women do after rape. I think most people even laugh it off because if a man doesn’t enjoy rape he must not be normal.
I was thinking about this the other day and I wond... | 1,528,146,634 | _Radds_ | e047uk3 | e045geg | 8 | 5 |
CMV: If Money is a Shitty Gift, So are Gift Cards
Think about it. Why is it that money is considered a terrible gift, yet gift cards are okay?
Getting money as a gift means I can spend it on whatever the hell I want and not be bummed out if I get something I don't like. Wanted a pair of shoes? Money! Need gas? Money!... | For me, the value of a gift comes not from the monetary value of the gift, the utility of the gift, or even whether I like the gift or not. Instead, the value comes from the other person's intentions. For example, they saw something in a store that reminded them of me, and so bought it for me as a gift. Or they knew a ... | Interesting point, but there are definitely cases where people can still be personal through cash gifts.
For example in traditional Jewish culture - people give gifts in increments of 18 dollars. Giving money in multiples of 18 dollars is symbolic of giving "chai" or life. This happens all the time for someone celebr... | eqc7hg | CMV: If Money is a Shitty Gift, So are Gift Cards | Think about it. Why is it that money is considered a terrible gift, yet gift cards are okay?
Getting money as a gift means I can spend it on whatever the hell I want and not be bummed out if I get something I don't like. Wanted a pair of shoes? Money! Need gas? Money! Want to take someone on a date? Money!
Gift cards... | 1,579,324,027 | _Billy_Boy_ | fepsfn6 | feps8gi | 40 | 2 |
CMV: The death of Makiyah Bryant is a poor example of police brutality and systemic racism in the US.
The media is reporting the death of a black 16-year-old girl, Makiyah Bryant, by a white cop and associating it with the Chauvin verdict on the same day. The intent here is clear: to portray this as another incident o... | actually, i think it can perfectly exemplify it. it shows that in dangerous situations, police have nothing other than violence. there’s no support system in low income communities to help people with their issues. there’s no way to stop these things systemically until they happen.
this case is extremely heartbreaking... | Interestingly enough, this article from the same website shows that their is no significant disparity between race and police shootings, and instead suggests that county level violent crime can be used to predict the race of the person shot.
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877
Im a strong believer that in gener... | mvbr5s | CMV: The death of Makiyah Bryant is a poor example of police brutality and systemic racism in the US. | The media is reporting the death of a black 16-year-old girl, Makiyah Bryant, by a white cop and associating it with the Chauvin verdict on the same day. The intent here is clear: to portray this as another incident of police brutality and systemic racism.
However, shooting Makiyah Bryant was justified. She was lungin... | 1,618,996,381 | KoreanStudentDoctor | gvd9wuc | gvccjut | 7 | 3 |
CMV: Private Businesses Should be Allowed to Discriminate Against Anybody they Want to
Earlier today, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the *Masterpiece Cakeshop* in the landmark case *Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission*. I have read pieces of the ruling as well as the dissent, and I understand... | >Think of it like this: let's say there is a small business who refuses to serve Jewish people. Once word of this got around to the general public, people would be upset and would boycott this business.
What happens when the majority opinion of Jewish people is negative? Word gets around but nothing happens because e... | >If the public really thinks that this is wrong, they will simply stop going to that business, and sooner or later it won't be financially sustainable and will go bankrupt.
But what happens when the public doesn't think this is wrong? What about businesses refusing to serve black people throughout American history? ... | 8oltd7 | CMV: Private Businesses Should be Allowed to Discriminate Against Anybody they Want to | Earlier today, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the *Masterpiece Cakeshop* in the landmark case *Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission*. I have read pieces of the ruling as well as the dissent, and I understand that this ruling's scope is very narrow and mostly applies to religious views and freed... | 1,528,153,303 | TriaxialBulls | e04cj8v | e04bkjy | 11 | 3 |
CMV: Male rape cases are not taken remotely as serious as female rape cases are.
I think society thinks that Men don’t get raped or that men should enjoy any sex they can have and are incapable of feeling the same shame and emotion women do after rape. I think most people even laugh it off because if a man doesn’t enj... | Nah they are just as serious, it's just harder to investigate (to even get started), due to the stigma and the inherent nature of our society. | There is the (likely) possibility that women make far more false reports which will skew things. However I would be surprised if it's a huge amount | 8okz8r | CMV: Male rape cases are not taken remotely as serious as female rape cases are. | I think society thinks that Men don’t get raped or that men should enjoy any sex they can have and are incapable of feeling the same shame and emotion women do after rape. I think most people even laugh it off because if a man doesn’t enjoy rape he must not be normal.
I was thinking about this the other day and I wond... | 1,528,146,634 | _Radds_ | e0539to | e0514d2 | 2 | -1 |
CMV: Despite Black History Month, Widespread Ignorance and Uneducated Perspectives Fuel Misguided Beliefs.
To follow rules A and C, I am first going to clearly outline what my belief is and what I am willing to have my mind changed on. I will divide this post into 3 categories. **preliminary data**, **my belief**, and... | Why do you think the root cause is ignorance and lack of education? You don't need to know all the details and intricacies of black history to know how fucked up the situation with systemic and common day racism in the country. People **intentionally lie** about black history and black issues. In their speeches and pro... | Ok well we can educate people about this and that of course but does this negate the systemic racism | 19c6yaf | CMV: Despite Black History Month, Widespread Ignorance and Uneducated Perspectives Fuel Misguided Beliefs. | To follow rules A and C, I am first going to clearly outline what my belief is and what I am willing to have my mind changed on. I will divide this post into 3 categories. **preliminary data**, **my belief**, and **education**.
*Disclaimer*: this will be a long post, so please come with an open mind and read all s... | 1,705,853,987 | GlassLivid | kiwmcmm | kiwm7qp | 2 | 1 |
CMV: It would best for all sentient life if humans naturally went extinct
Firstly, I believe that because humans’ theoretical evolution mostly happened at random, it could have easily been any other singly branch on the evolution tree that became as complex as us. Therefore just because we are given higher awareness/i... | As a sentiment being, that would not be good for me. Checkmate. | But how would that be best for them, like your title? | 19c7n4p | CMV: It would best for all sentient life if humans naturally went extinct | Firstly, I believe that because humans’ theoretical evolution mostly happened at random, it could have easily been any other singly branch on the evolution tree that became as complex as us. Therefore just because we are given higher awareness/intelligence doesn’t mean we inherently hold higher value over any other kin... | 1,705,855,801 | rustedoxygen | kiwqgt8 | kiwpxoh | 31 | 6 |
CMV: Customer service jobs will always suck.
So everyone I know who has ever worked in customer service has experienced poor treatment from customers, rude customers, etc. I don’t think I have spoken to anyone who works with customers who doesn’t have a story like this.
And beyond that, customers tend to do things th... | I’ve liked all the customer service jobs I’ve had, which is many over the course of 20+ years. Even the ones I liked less than others, it wasn’t the customer service that I disliked, but other tasks not related to customer service (cleaning bathrooms, stocking shelves, alphabetizing used PlayStation games, vacuuming, p... | I worked at Target as a cashier and service desk (returns) operator for 4 years.
Amusingly, at the service desk I never was yelled at directly. People would request to speak at the manager and they would yell at them, but not me.
Here are some tips that made the job literally stress-free.
* Empathize with the custom... | eqhdwe | CMV: Customer service jobs will always suck. | So everyone I know who has ever worked in customer service has experienced poor treatment from customers, rude customers, etc. I don’t think I have spoken to anyone who works with customers who doesn’t have a story like this.
And beyond that, customers tend to do things that seem to dehumanize workers - like talking o... | 1,579,359,779 | EmpiricalPancake | fex542t | fetp5k9 | 3 | 2 |
CMV: A strict, across-the-board ban on natural gas heating and appliances in all new residences and buildings might sound good in theory, but in practice is actually a terrible idea.
My first concern is a practical one, and also a huge potential safety issue. If you're fortunate enough to live somewhere with a fairly ... | The first concern is easy to address: If you actually weatherproof your electrical grid, these kinds of "frozen to death" incidents should not be happening to begin with. What happened in Texas, is more of a colossal issue with failing to weatherproof an electrical grid for wintery weathers, as Texas isn't meant to hav... | If there's no power, how will the gas get pumped to your house? What will you do once the pipes run empty? The Texas example speaks more about the failure of the government to protect its citizens rather than the need for gas stoves. People that live in tornado alley have cellars, so why don't people that live in harsh... | 10uxtdl | CMV: A strict, across-the-board ban on natural gas heating and appliances in all new residences and buildings might sound good in theory, but in practice is actually a terrible idea. | My first concern is a practical one, and also a huge potential safety issue. If you're fortunate enough to live somewhere with a fairly benign climate, this probably won't be a problem. HOWEVER- if you live in an area with extremely harsh winter weather, and live in an all-electric house or apartment, a blackout, outag... | 1,675,658,562 | OldCarWorshipper | j7ejojd | j7ehs1x | 5 | 4 |
CMV: Finding a solid long term relationship as a guy is more about luck than it is about skill
There are plenty of girls that just wanna bang for one night and ditch you at the curb. Also, for the girls that actually want a long term relationship, a good chunk of them probably won't be compatible with you in the long ... | Okay here's the thing about dating most guys don't get because they have trouble just meeting girls in general. You can put out different vibes and get different results (assuming you can get results in the first place) if you want to find a girl that is serious about a relationship you need to put out a completely dif... | you are referencing two different people. they have two different experiences/personalities/everything, there is no similar factors except they dated a few people each and one found a long term relationship.
maybe guy 2 could have bad relationship skills/life skills/is self sabotaging.
sure, you can't force someone... | l0sibn | CMV: Finding a solid long term relationship as a guy is more about luck than it is about skill | There are plenty of girls that just wanna bang for one night and ditch you at the curb. Also, for the girls that actually want a long term relationship, a good chunk of them probably won't be compatible with you in the long run. So, even if you're the best lady killer on Earth, you can't just flirt your way into an awe... | 1,611,088,293 | Racecarsandrevolvers | gjvtwby | gjvccpg | 5 | 2 |
CMV: Male rape cases are not taken remotely as serious as female rape cases are.
I think society thinks that Men don’t get raped or that men should enjoy any sex they can have and are incapable of feeling the same shame and emotion women do after rape. I think most people even laugh it off because if a man doesn’t enj... | It's not like this information is hidden or anything. Arrest, conviction, and sentencing data is public knowledge, available to anyone who wants to look. I'll review the Canadian data, as I am Canadian:
From 2009-2014 there were 11,446 reported female victims of sexual assault. In the same time, there were 906 reporte... | There are a couple of reasons why this is so.
1. Men are usually in a position of greater physical ability. That is to say, 2 men on average are capable of fighting one another, with the result being questionable. However, the difference between an average man and woman in terms of physical dominance is massive. Men o... | 8okz8r | CMV: Male rape cases are not taken remotely as serious as female rape cases are. | I think society thinks that Men don’t get raped or that men should enjoy any sex they can have and are incapable of feeling the same shame and emotion women do after rape. I think most people even laugh it off because if a man doesn’t enjoy rape he must not be normal.
I was thinking about this the other day and I wond... | 1,528,146,634 | _Radds_ | e048vjb | e047uk3 | 26 | 8 |
CMV: Most neurotypical people pretend that they care about autistic people but actually hate them
Autistic guy here. People like to pretend that they care about us (the autistic community), when they want us gone.
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# Person-first language
Most autistic people prefer identity first language (autistic instead... | I think you’ve brought up a lot of interesting points. I think that there are explanations for these points that are different than “nuerotypical people not caring about autism.”
**Person-first language**
The idea of person-first language being better is that people are more than just their illnesses. Sometimes peopl... | Neurotypical here.
- Your viewpoint is understandable but skewed, not because of a statistically anomalous over exposure to insensitive neurotypical people, but because of your abundant exposure to the topic of autism.
- I have a stepson and a number of friends on the spectrum and I’d like to demonstrate my point ... | l0sq9n | CMV: Most neurotypical people pretend that they care about autistic people but actually hate them | Autistic guy here. People like to pretend that they care about us (the autistic community), when they want us gone.
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# Person-first language
Most autistic people prefer identity first language (autistic instead of person with autism), but people seem to not listen. I have seen so many people keep saying that... | 1,611,088,924 | Notladub | gjvhhvk | gjvftpv | 10 | 4 |
CMV: Splitting of household expenses in a marriage or relationship should be 50:50 and not based on income ratio
Generally in a marriage or relationship, person with higher income contributes more towards household expenses. I think this is unfair and household expenses should be split equally between the partners.
... | In a marriage all things are owned equally by both partners unless specified in a agreement. I dont think of my check and my wifes check as hwr money and my money. Its our families money. We both work hard for our family not ourselves. If your not willing to fully share your resources with someone why would you share... | I think every couple should agree on how to manage their finances in the way that works best for them, but even if you nominally decide on 50-50, I don't see how you can really measure it.
The one who works less on their job may make less money, but they'd have more time to dedicate to maintaining the house, getting f... | 19bo961 | CMV: Splitting of household expenses in a marriage or relationship should be 50:50 and not based on income ratio | Generally in a marriage or relationship, person with higher income contributes more towards household expenses. I think this is unfair and household expenses should be split equally between the partners.
More often than not, the cases where one partner makes 4 to 5 times of monthly income of other partner works in a ... | 1,705,791,019 | ticktacktoe21 | kit20f1 | kit1vr2 | 35 | 4 |
CMV: If you have to question and monitor your S.O when they're around certain people, then there's a lack of trust thats going to break y'all up.
I see a lot of people talk about how they dont want their s.o to have friends of a different sex, the whole girl best friend and boy best friend thing. How they dont want th... | people are not perfect, and they aren't expecting their partners to be perfect either. sometimes checking up on them is simply a necessary action to keep them on track.
Some couples decide on an allowance for each of them for personal purchases especially if they have a history of running up credit cards and oversp... | People can control their desires and instincts to an extent, but the mechanisms that control those desires and instincts differ greatly depending on what it is you're trying to control. The mechanisms involved in controlling the things you mentioned and sexual attraction and acting on them differ greatly and are underp... | 19bo4qy | CMV: If you have to question and monitor your S.O when they're around certain people, then there's a lack of trust thats going to break y'all up. | I see a lot of people talk about how they dont want their s.o to have friends of a different sex, the whole girl best friend and boy best friend thing. How they dont want their partner to go to the club, or dress like a baddie, or how they will go for "less attractive" people so they dont have to worry about them getti... | 1,705,790,699 | The-Cosmic-Ghost | kiui4it | kitsixq | 1 | -1 |
CMV: A work of art must be able to be separated from the artist, like an invention from its inventor or a business from its founder. No matter the crimes of the creator, the art should be able to stand on its own feet and continue to be enjoyed, not censored.
First some imaginary examples to prove my point. Let’s say ... | Here's my personal stance on this issue, because I feel the exact opposite. Art is subjective, context matters. Without the context of how a piece of art was created, you can still enjoy it. But, I think it is fair to say that as you learn more about the artist or the time period your appreciation will change, somet... | This is one of those topics where everyone wants a steadfast rule that always applies and will never be wrong. It’s not as if artist input is a switch you can flip on and off when engaging with a work. You might be able to listen to Jackson without thinking about the allegations, but someone else might not. So, “is it ... | l0omtp | CMV: A work of art must be able to be separated from the artist, like an invention from its inventor or a business from its founder. No matter the crimes of the creator, the art should be able to stand on its own feet and continue to be enjoyed, not censored. | First some imaginary examples to prove my point. Let’s say Elon Musk or the Ferrari CEO turn out to be pedophiles. Should car dealers stop selling Teslas and Ferraris? I don’t think so. Or let’s say a scientist who discovers the cure for cancer turns out to be a nazi. Should the world no longer use their cure? Again, i... | 1,611,077,485 | trudlymadlydeeplyme | gjuo49e | gjuo1pd | 7 | 3 |
CMV: America should abolish the police
I am what you might consider an American ACAB-er.
Unless you live under a rock, you might know that police brutality is a common occurence in America. Every day, innocent people have their rights violated, their belongings taken from them, their loved ones (both pets and people)... | OK, we need reform, I'm totally with you, most of us are. But what do you actually mean by abolishing the police? What do you think that society looks like? Is there a justice system? Who enforces laws, or are we abolishing them too? Maybe you mean privatized police? Will I need to pay for protection? Hire private inve... | >2. There are criminals out there, and we need a strong police force to protect us!
>
>No we don't. As I mentioned before, cops arrive in minutes when you only have seconds. You're better off getting a gun, walking up to the home invaders, and shooting them yourself. The only caveat is now you're seen as the criminal f... | eqci1s | CMV: America should abolish the police | I am what you might consider an American ACAB-er.
Unless you live under a rock, you might know that police brutality is a common occurence in America. Every day, innocent people have their rights violated, their belongings taken from them, their loved ones (both pets and people) murdered, and their lives ruined foreve... | 1,579,325,847 | [deleted] | feps0ky | fepozr6 | 4 | 1 |
CMV: The pardon power should be taken away from the president and put in the hands of a committee
If there is one thing we have learned from the pardon power of Trump and previous presidents it has been that the pardons do not prevent corruption but create corruption. Presidents have used this power to pardon their... | It's a good thought to have. I do agree with you in the point that some pardons can be dubious at best. However, stripping the power completely from the president does not seem to be the answer. Have him/her keep the power of pardon but have the committee to review and affirm that its void of corruption.
The main prob... | Sorry, u/BigHanksHalfaTank – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:
> **Direct responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question**. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comm... | l0t5ea | CMV: The pardon power should be taken away from the president and put in the hands of a committee |
If there is one thing we have learned from the pardon power of Trump and previous presidents it has been that the pardons do not prevent corruption but create corruption. Presidents have used this power to pardon their friends from receiving justice from the law and the only way to prevent this is taking that power ... | 1,611,090,105 | miniuniverse1 | gjvf4h8 | gjvf42e | 2 | 1 |
CMV: There is nothing transphobic about not being attracted to trans people
Since it's clear that gender and biological sex are two different things, the first being a set of social constructs and expectations that are assigned to everyone at birth based on the second, being trans would imply that these two aspects do... | I think you make a fairly strong argument, but I think it actually supports a slightly different conclusion. To keep things short I've put the quotations from your post below at the end, with a quick reference to where I'm citing them.
Your arguments, as I understand them, are essentially:
1. While attraction is broa... | My counterargument to that is that anyone has the right to change their attraction to someone else based on any criteria, and when pursuing a significant, committed relationship, one should disclose (at least in broad strokes) all their history.
Support for both my arguments:
**Regarding changing their attraction:** ... | l188e7 | CMV: There is nothing transphobic about not being attracted to trans people | Since it's clear that gender and biological sex are two different things, the first being a set of social constructs and expectations that are assigned to everyone at birth based on the second, being trans would imply that these two aspects don't match in a person. For example, someone who is biologically male might no... | 1,611,145,743 | [deleted] | gjz88o1 | gjyhm71 | 2,000 | 13 |
CMV: America should abolish the police
I am what you might consider an American ACAB-er.
Unless you live under a rock, you might know that police brutality is a common occurence in America. Every day, innocent people have their rights violated, their belongings taken from them, their loved ones (both pets and people)... | You seem to have a more developed opinion of the police than experience with them. Here are some assertions you make that do not have evidence:
"Police brutality is a common occurrence in America"
[https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2019/04/24/usa-today-revealing-misconduct-records-police-cops/322... | There are a ton of great options to increase transparency.
One of the best, being an independent civilian oversight commission, which would investigate every case that raises a red flag, and could have the power to refer the case to prosecutors for criminal proceedings.
Some prosecutor offices have set up police ta... | eqci1s | CMV: America should abolish the police | I am what you might consider an American ACAB-er.
Unless you live under a rock, you might know that police brutality is a common occurence in America. Every day, innocent people have their rights violated, their belongings taken from them, their loved ones (both pets and people) murdered, and their lives ruined foreve... | 1,579,325,847 | [deleted] | fepte5x | fepsrhz | 3 | 1 |
CMV:Paying for sex shouldn't be seen as a flaw in one's Character nor should it be seen as disgusting
I think as long as consent can be gotten from both parties and the sex worker isnt being trafficked , I don't think this should be used as a judgment of one's character or be shamed in any way, I have seen alot of pe... | You just can never know for sure whether the sex worker is being trafficked or not. You can't assume they'd tell you the truth if you asked. They might endanger themselves by telling you the truth. The sex worker wants money, and is willing to have some sexual contact with you in order to get the money. But fundame... | On one hand, we shouldn't judge people. On the other hand, it's good to have strong moral beliefs. One of my beliefs is that sex outside of marriage is very immoral. Reducing it to a business transaction is even worse. | 10unvlh | CMV:Paying for sex shouldn't be seen as a flaw in one's Character nor should it be seen as disgusting | I think as long as consent can be gotten from both parties and the sex worker isnt being trafficked , I don't think this should be used as a judgment of one's character or be shamed in any way, I have seen alot of people shame people more specifically men who pay for sex , they view it as disgusting and i fail to und... | 1,675,632,028 | Due-Lie-8710 | j7cwlsi | j7cw6y8 | 24 | -1 |
CMV: Being old enough to have your own child means you're old enough to elect to get a surgical procedure to prevent having a child
I was speaking with a friend that frequents /r/childfree (as do I) and he, a recent college grad, doesn't want to have kids. He's in his early 20s. He approached his GP to discuss this an... | There are tattoo artists who won't give specific types of tattoos to adults who come in and ask for them. Not because they're trying to take away some level of bodily autonomy, or because there are legal/content issues, but because their experience leads them to believe that the person is likely to regret it in the fut... | I agree that it's gross and I wish there was less of a stigma (it's likely your friend will still have an easier time getting a vasectomy than a woman would a bi-salp), but it's also the safest decision everyone can make in that it leaves the most room for changed minds later.
You can minimize risk of pregnancy withou... | e26xy4 | CMV: Being old enough to have your own child means you're old enough to elect to get a surgical procedure to prevent having a child | I was speaking with a friend that frequents /r/childfree (as do I) and he, a recent college grad, doesn't want to have kids. He's in his early 20s. He approached his GP to discuss this and the GP refused due to my friend's age and experience.
So...you mean to tell me someone that has been physically capable of creatin... | 1,574,811,848 | cloverskull | f8tyaz6 | f8tx3c3 | 624 | 54 |
CMV: I'm a deist
**EDIT**: Thanks to everyone for the great responses and discussion. At this point, I've changed from being a deist to being an agnostic atheist, with more emphasis on the agnostic. I don't think my search is over. I'm still fairly on the fence about this position, and I'm going to do some reading... | >Let me first say that I don't think you've put the best examples of arguments from atheists in your post.
Yeah, sorry about that. Like I said, I haven't read any prominent atheist thinkers, so I may be woefully unfamiliar with the best arguments against the existence of any type of god\(s\). But that's what I'm her... | I personally find the cosmological argument (God exists because the existence of the universe must have a cause) unpersuasive for a number of reasons, but the main ones are
1. if God exists, then God must himself have a creator.... infinite regress.
2. I don’t see why it is necessary that all extant things have cause... | 8nuotj | CMV: I'm a deist | **EDIT**: Thanks to everyone for the great responses and discussion. At this point, I've changed from being a deist to being an agnostic atheist, with more emphasis on the agnostic. I don't think my search is over. I'm still fairly on the fence about this position, and I'm going to do some reading and watch some mo... | 1,527,881,028 | ThePwnd | dzynx1d | dzyjk7o | 3 | 1 |
CMV: Watermarking your memes is absolutely retarded
Or "THIS IS NOT MY CREATION, I STOLE IT" around the reddit logo, that's even more moronic. I know there's a discussion on whether memes can be art or not, but regardless of that, all memes you see that have the "author" 's name watermarked, or that dumb reddit logo t... | I get what you mean. It would be retarded...
If it weren't for the fact that there are douchebags out there that are making more money in a month than you probably do in a year, just because they have a popular meme account on facebook, or on instagram.
Leeches like that, who make money off of the work of other peopl... | It's a foreshadowing of what's to come.
You can kind of haphazardly monetize your memes now, but this process will be streamlined in the future.
It's inevitable. It's why Reddit is currently having issues with DMCA takedowns of people's memes and why they're automatically watermarking uploaded pictures.
People le... | eq3ncn | CMV: Watermarking your memes is absolutely retarded | Or "THIS IS NOT MY CREATION, I STOLE IT" around the reddit logo, that's even more moronic. I know there's a discussion on whether memes can be art or not, but regardless of that, all memes you see that have the "author" 's name watermarked, or that dumb reddit logo thing, are not art.
I get that if you post something ... | 1,579,282,961 | The_Midgenator | fenne6l | fenhvrn | 2 | 1 |
CMV: Basic CPR and first aid training and practice should be a mandatory part of high school curriculums nationwide.
Given the million and one utterly useless things that they teach throughout our education I think the fact that basic lifesaving skills arent taught there is inexcusable. Like a high school could spend ... | I see that as more of a problem with potential bad implementation of the course, not the course itself. I've been certified since I was like 16. One of the things that was always impressed upon us every single time is basically that we dont know shit and if EMS isnt called ASAP the person is very likely gonna die.
An... | Well I think the choice is more along the lines of
"Should I start up some CPR because I think I'm trained well enough"
or..
"Should I wait a small amount of time, and follow blindly the directions given to me by 911 operator"
A big problem you are going to have is that if you perform CPR on someone and you do it... | eqoopv | CMV: Basic CPR and first aid training and practice should be a mandatory part of high school curriculums nationwide. | Given the million and one utterly useless things that they teach throughout our education I think the fact that basic lifesaving skills arent taught there is inexcusable. Like a high school could spend a hundred hours drilling you on memorizing dates that have little to no practical application in real life but they're... | 1,579,391,955 | World_Spank_Bank | fev7muo | fev6xqh | 58 | 3 |
CMV: need-based financial assistance makes more sense than "reparations" for things that happened before you were born
\[In all cases, I'm using "reparations" to refer to compensation to things that happened to *your ancestors*. I'm not talking about things that happened to *you* in your lifetime.\]
You could be poo... | What is your goal of your proposed need based financial assistance? Is it to eliminate wealth disparities between races? Or something else? | What exactly do you mean by need based financial assistance? Because that could refer to a ride range of things at a range of degrees. | 10uudh3 | CMV: need-based financial assistance makes more sense than "reparations" for things that happened before you were born | \[In all cases, I'm using "reparations" to refer to compensation to things that happened to *your ancestors*. I'm not talking about things that happened to *you* in your lifetime.\]
You could be poor because your ancestors were exploited. (The average inherited wealth in white families is [9 or 10 times higher](http... | 1,675,648,411 | bennetthaselton | j7dx48p | j7dwduu | 11 | 2 |
CMV: Country of Birth will go the way of Sexism, Racism, and Homophobia
I think treating someone different because of where they were born is akin to racism or sexism.
And eventually, we'll get rid of it.
[Edited paragraph]
I think that eventually, Xenophobia will be commonly considered wrong, and where you were born... | Country of origin/nationality is already a protected class in the US. Meaning you cannot be discriminated against by employers, landlords, police, etc. Based on where you were born.
However, that doesn't guarantee freedom of movement. I can't travel to, live and/or work in a country without approval of the national/... | >but racism is a synonym...
Not quite. Discrimination on the basis of race and discrimination on the basis of national origin may be intertwined, but they are distinct enough concepts that it is useful to think about them separately. That's why under US civil rights law, race and national origin are both protected cl... | 8og8oe | CMV: Country of Birth will go the way of Sexism, Racism, and Homophobia | I think treating someone different because of where they were born is akin to racism or sexism.
And eventually, we'll get rid of it.
[Edited paragraph]
I think that eventually, Xenophobia will be commonly considered wrong, and where you were born will have little impact on your life compared to how hard you work/your ... | 1,528,108,341 | jethrogillgren7 | e036drw | e0354a2 | 2 | 1 |
CMV: Religious exemptions should not exist in US law or government regulation.
My argument boils down to a few simple points:
* Unless any religion can be claimed, including ones as outlandish as Scientology and Pastafarianism, or as rare as Zoroastrianism, then it is respecting an establishment of religion, ie only ... | 1. We already have laws restricting religious practices, such as prohibiting animal sacrifice or polygamy. We also have laws restricting when/where protests can happen, and we have some restrictions on speech. I'm arguing that laws should be enforced equally, without regard to religion. If a religion is unduly targeted... | There's a marked difference between "refusing to seek medical treatment." and "refusing a specific treatment when others are available." To my knowledge, there's no US Law that says you can just ignore all illness and damn the child... feel free to correct me on that. | 8ol44d | CMV: Religious exemptions should not exist in US law or government regulation. | My argument boils down to a few simple points:
* Unless any religion can be claimed, including ones as outlandish as Scientology and Pastafarianism, or as rare as Zoroastrianism, then it is respecting an establishment of religion, ie only the religions the government recognizes as legitimate.
* It establishes religio... | 1,528,147,660 | StuStutterKing | e046hde | e0467y0 | 12 | 4 |
CMV: Country of Birth will go the way of Sexism, Racism, and Homophobia
I think treating someone different because of where they were born is akin to racism or sexism.
And eventually, we'll get rid of it.
[Edited paragraph]
I think that eventually, Xenophobia will be commonly considered wrong, and where you were born... | >i) Negatively affecting someone for something they have no control over is bad;
How do you figure? Is it wrong to discriminate against stupid people (it's not their fault they were born with low IQ) or people with antisocial personality disorder (it's not their fault they were born with a predisposition to be a viol... | >I think treating someone different because of where they were born is akin to racism or sexism. And eventually, we'll get rid of it.
Have we gotten rid of racism or sexism?
>I think this because: i\) Negatively affecting someone for something they have no control over is bad;
You can think it' bad but it's realit... | 8og8oe | CMV: Country of Birth will go the way of Sexism, Racism, and Homophobia | I think treating someone different because of where they were born is akin to racism or sexism.
And eventually, we'll get rid of it.
[Edited paragraph]
I think that eventually, Xenophobia will be commonly considered wrong, and where you were born will have little impact on your life compared to how hard you work/your ... | 1,528,108,341 | jethrogillgren7 | e0349nf | e0343zm | 8 | 0 |
CMV: Country of Birth will go the way of Sexism, Racism, and Homophobia
I think treating someone different because of where they were born is akin to racism or sexism.
And eventually, we'll get rid of it.
[Edited paragraph]
I think that eventually, Xenophobia will be commonly considered wrong, and where you were born... | I don't know why so many progressives believe that a world in which there's no diversity, no authentic or unique cultures, just a beige mass of people with the same thoughts, same beliefs, same everything would be a utopia. What happened to "we should celebrate our differences"? Differences are good, they make our worl... | >I think treating someone different because of where they were born is akin to racism or sexism. And eventually, we'll get rid of it.
Have we gotten rid of racism or sexism?
>I think this because: i\) Negatively affecting someone for something they have no control over is bad;
You can think it' bad but it's realit... | 8og8oe | CMV: Country of Birth will go the way of Sexism, Racism, and Homophobia | I think treating someone different because of where they were born is akin to racism or sexism.
And eventually, we'll get rid of it.
[Edited paragraph]
I think that eventually, Xenophobia will be commonly considered wrong, and where you were born will have little impact on your life compared to how hard you work/your ... | 1,528,108,341 | jethrogillgren7 | e050nts | e0343zm | 1 | 0 |
CMV:Paying for sex shouldn't be seen as a flaw in one's Character nor should it be seen as disgusting
I think as long as consent can be gotten from both parties and the sex worker isnt being trafficked , I don't think this should be used as a judgment of one's character or be shamed in any way, I have seen alot of pe... | > judgment of one's character
You included consent (a moral belief) and non-trafficking (a moral belief), but ignored in terms of natural monogamy (a biological construct resulting in a moral belief).
Why? You say it's because *some people* like to separate sex from what society naturally deems to be its place. Conse... | The girl wants sex. You want more than sex. Lets not pretend here apparently most men paying for sex are sad dudes. Its not good for them. Lets say some think goddamn this chick is hot. Its a human being not a fleshlight, the man get there he réalise that its weird im pretty sure.
Dont think that those women have a s... | 10unvlh | CMV:Paying for sex shouldn't be seen as a flaw in one's Character nor should it be seen as disgusting | I think as long as consent can be gotten from both parties and the sex worker isnt being trafficked , I don't think this should be used as a judgment of one's character or be shamed in any way, I have seen alot of people shame people more specifically men who pay for sex , they view it as disgusting and i fail to und... | 1,675,632,028 | Due-Lie-8710 | j7d3ftq | j7d2raq | 0 | -4 |
CMV: If Brexit doesn't happen we have made an absolute joke of democracy
I've been thinking this for a while. And for those interested in the referendum I voted remain, and still feel that way however I find the fact that we voted for Brexit and now every politician and MP is doing everything they can to railroad Brex... | Ok, I'm going to try to come at this from as neutral a standpoint as I can.
The 2016 referendum was an advisory referendum. There has for many years been a lot of EU skipticism, and the conservative government decided once and for all that they would ask the people directly whether they actually want to be a member of... | I think it depends on why we don't leave. If it's because a 2^nd Ref is held, then democracy hasn't been make a mess of. And given the issues regarding Cambridge Analytica, and Aaron Banks' suspicious money sources, there are legitimate questions over whether there was a hand on the scales for the first referendum.
I ... | czz5vm | CMV: If Brexit doesn't happen we have made an absolute joke of democracy | I've been thinking this for a while. And for those interested in the referendum I voted remain, and still feel that way however I find the fact that we voted for Brexit and now every politician and MP is doing everything they can to railroad Brexit and sabotage the plan.
If we all came together, to perform in the int... | 1,567,680,566 | SuperPowerDragon | ez4oz6c | ez4nxic | 42 | 2 |
CMV: A work of art must be able to be separated from the artist, like an invention from its inventor or a business from its founder. No matter the crimes of the creator, the art should be able to stand on its own feet and continue to be enjoyed, not censored.
First some imaginary examples to prove my point. Let’s say ... | >Let’s say Elon Musk or the Ferrari CEO turn out to be pedophiles. Should car dealers stop selling Teslas and Ferraris? I don’t think so. Or let’s say a scientist who discovers the cure for cancer turns out to be a nazi. Should the world no longer use their cure? Again, in my view, I don’t think so.
The difference bet... | >Well in the context of my argument, why not?
Well for many reasons but bluntly because its Hitler. You can "separate" all you want but its still his and his name is attached to it. If I own a piece of his art because I like it does perception is reality and that means I am for his cause.
> Okay so if Elon Musk did ... | l0omtp | CMV: A work of art must be able to be separated from the artist, like an invention from its inventor or a business from its founder. No matter the crimes of the creator, the art should be able to stand on its own feet and continue to be enjoyed, not censored. | First some imaginary examples to prove my point. Let’s say Elon Musk or the Ferrari CEO turn out to be pedophiles. Should car dealers stop selling Teslas and Ferraris? I don’t think so. Or let’s say a scientist who discovers the cure for cancer turns out to be a nazi. Should the world no longer use their cure? Again, i... | 1,611,077,485 | trudlymadlydeeplyme | gjups6z | gjuooz0 | 3 | 0 |
CMV: Country of Birth will go the way of Sexism, Racism, and Homophobia
I think treating someone different because of where they were born is akin to racism or sexism.
And eventually, we'll get rid of it.
[Edited paragraph]
I think that eventually, Xenophobia will be commonly considered wrong, and where you were born... | Ok the question you are posing is: Will we abandon nation states in the future and establish some sort of world government?
At least that is what’s needed to end discrimination against place of birth in my view. As long as nation states exist not very single one of them will allow unlimited migration which would be ne... | >ii) And the country someone is born in is something they had no control over
While this is true, one issue that pertains to this more at a national level rather than a local employer level is the threat of security. Certain countries are looked at more closely than others when it comes to immigration/work visas. Some... | 8og8oe | CMV: Country of Birth will go the way of Sexism, Racism, and Homophobia | I think treating someone different because of where they were born is akin to racism or sexism.
And eventually, we'll get rid of it.
[Edited paragraph]
I think that eventually, Xenophobia will be commonly considered wrong, and where you were born will have little impact on your life compared to how hard you work/your ... | 1,528,108,341 | jethrogillgren7 | e03id68 | e035da1 | 2 | 1 |
CMV: A work of art must be able to be separated from the artist, like an invention from its inventor or a business from its founder. No matter the crimes of the creator, the art should be able to stand on its own feet and continue to be enjoyed, not censored.
First some imaginary examples to prove my point. Let’s say ... | No one's mentioned it yet so I would like to bring up Roman Polanski.
Yes ofc he is known for great films such as China town and the pianist, but these great films are overshadowed by his vile past.
March 1977, then 43-year-old film director Roman Polanski was arrested and charged in Los Angeles with six offenses ag... | >Well in the context of my argument, why not?
Well for many reasons but bluntly because its Hitler. You can "separate" all you want but its still his and his name is attached to it. If I own a piece of his art because I like it does perception is reality and that means I am for his cause.
> Okay so if Elon Musk did ... | l0omtp | CMV: A work of art must be able to be separated from the artist, like an invention from its inventor or a business from its founder. No matter the crimes of the creator, the art should be able to stand on its own feet and continue to be enjoyed, not censored. | First some imaginary examples to prove my point. Let’s say Elon Musk or the Ferrari CEO turn out to be pedophiles. Should car dealers stop selling Teslas and Ferraris? I don’t think so. Or let’s say a scientist who discovers the cure for cancer turns out to be a nazi. Should the world no longer use their cure? Again, i... | 1,611,077,485 | trudlymadlydeeplyme | gjuq12f | gjuooz0 | 4 | 0 |
CMV: As someone who really appreciates King of The Hill, Hank Hill is an overrated character
While the idea of showcasing overly conservative attitudes about religious beliefs and sexual attitudes and such is a good idea regarding life in small town America, shoehorning it all into one character who happens to be the ... | Hank Hill, a good portion of the time, is the "straight man" to the various other characters in the show. Some really funny moments from the show come about because he's the one rolling his eyes or scoffing at the ridiculous antics of the other characters. He can also serve as an audience surrogate in many episodes.
... | Ultimately that's reflective of society as a whole though. Most people are like that. The show is, to me at least, more about how Hank (the "normal" person) is affected by far more extreme and outlandish characters and circumstances. How he tries to do his best with the challenges he faces.
Dale Gribble is ultimately... | l0p568 | CMV: As someone who really appreciates King of The Hill, Hank Hill is an overrated character | While the idea of showcasing overly conservative attitudes about religious beliefs and sexual attitudes and such is a good idea regarding life in small town America, shoehorning it all into one character who happens to be the main character of a TV show is not the best idea. Don't get me wrong, Hank has his funny momen... | 1,611,078,890 | overhardeggs | gjv5cy6 | gjuvg8p | 5 | 3 |
CMV: Free market is not sustainable
By free market, I mean the idea that, assuming perfect competition, a free market economy would be [allocatively efficient](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allocative_efficiency).
By sustainable, I mean that, assuming the market stats of perfect, it will remain perfect in the long ru... | One key thing keeping this from happening is diseconomies of scale in the production process.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diseconomies_of_scale
Firms in most industries can't necessarily scale to supply 100% of the demanded product before the complexity of managing this on one company kicks in.
Thus, it can be m... | Sorry, u/StevenMon15 – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 1:
> **Direct responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s stated view (however minor), or ask a clarifying question**. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. [S... | 8o8b6p | CMV: Free market is not sustainable | By free market, I mean the idea that, assuming perfect competition, a free market economy would be [allocatively efficient](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allocative_efficiency).
By sustainable, I mean that, assuming the market stats of perfect, it will remain perfect in the long run. Not about environmental sustainabi... | 1,528,030,131 | BeatriceBernardo | e02lafs | e01nts8 | 2 | 1 |
CMV: need-based financial assistance makes more sense than "reparations" for things that happened before you were born
\[In all cases, I'm using "reparations" to refer to compensation to things that happened to *your ancestors*. I'm not talking about things that happened to *you* in your lifetime.\]
You could be poo... | I think there are two different types on inequality, both of which need to be addressed.
- Inequality between groups
- Inequality between individuals
Reducing the inequality between groups makes sense to me because 1. No one type of person deserves more or less wealth (and thus power) just on the basis of having bee... | Reparations aren’t about the individual. They’re about collective responsibility.
It’s about the government—which was directly responsible for some awful act in the past—making restitution for that crime.
The government needs to make reparations for the crimes it enacted even if there isn’t a way to figure out who ... | 10uudh3 | CMV: need-based financial assistance makes more sense than "reparations" for things that happened before you were born | \[In all cases, I'm using "reparations" to refer to compensation to things that happened to *your ancestors*. I'm not talking about things that happened to *you* in your lifetime.\]
You could be poor because your ancestors were exploited. (The average inherited wealth in white families is [9 or 10 times higher](http... | 1,675,648,411 | bennetthaselton | j7fdkko | j7ev4t4 | 1 | 0 |
CMV: I don't think conservatives are any more prone towards conspiracy theories then left leaning folks.
I totally understand that in this day and age of Donald Trump it sure FEELS like right leaning people are more likely to believe in conspiracy theories. And the most dramatic example, about the election, clearly ha... | >For example, people against childhood vaccination is actually a left leaning group: https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/childhood-vaccination-programs-should-be-exempt-political-bias
That's not what your source says? It says it is broadly bipartisan not left leaning. In fact two of the studies linked say pro-vaccin... | Close to 50% of Republicans believe in Q’Anon and a few of them have made their way into congress. When I see Democrats in Congress who believe in an equally batshit conspiracy theory, then we’ll talk. | l0mqe5 | CMV: I don't think conservatives are any more prone towards conspiracy theories then left leaning folks. | I totally understand that in this day and age of Donald Trump it sure FEELS like right leaning people are more likely to believe in conspiracy theories. And the most dramatic example, about the election, clearly has a political bent. That said, I grew up in a day and age where a non-zero number of left leaning people a... | 1,611,072,169 | MasterCrumb | gjucvby | gjub1vk | 24 | 11 |
CMV: A work of art must be able to be separated from the artist, like an invention from its inventor or a business from its founder. No matter the crimes of the creator, the art should be able to stand on its own feet and continue to be enjoyed, not censored.
First some imaginary examples to prove my point. Let’s say ... | Let’s talk about your hypothetical pedophile Elon Musk and Ferrari CEO. Large parts of that money consumers spend on their products go back to them one way or another and support their lifestyles. Dealers add to the value by making the product accessible. Do you really want to be anywhere in the chain of funding sex cr... | Do you also agree Hitlers art should be separated? Also
> Amber Heard. The person may be terrible, but why should she not be able to do her job and create art?
Because she is bat shit fucking nuts a disgrace to women and no one wants to see her anymore. Whatever she did in the past is whatever we will deal it doesn... | l0omtp | CMV: A work of art must be able to be separated from the artist, like an invention from its inventor or a business from its founder. No matter the crimes of the creator, the art should be able to stand on its own feet and continue to be enjoyed, not censored. | First some imaginary examples to prove my point. Let’s say Elon Musk or the Ferrari CEO turn out to be pedophiles. Should car dealers stop selling Teslas and Ferraris? I don’t think so. Or let’s say a scientist who discovers the cure for cancer turns out to be a nazi. Should the world no longer use their cure? Again, i... | 1,611,077,485 | trudlymadlydeeplyme | gjuo2ch | gjun1ag | 2 | 0 |
CMV: People who hate Trump tend to under-estimate him. This is dangerous.
I am no fan of Trump. My reasons are manifold, but my main reasons can be divided into two areas. First, his economic ideology is to recreate Indian or Chinese economic variables in the USA, i.e., minimal government responsibility for social cos... | "The second thing he is good at seems to be single minded, ego driven focus on a goal."
It's not that he's adept at this or has some great understanding of how to impose his will in a way that overcomes all others. The truth is, the ego-driven focus is a by-product of his full-blown, malignant narcissism. He meets a... | > You aren’t his audience. He mobilized his base fantastically.
His base has been groomed and primed for years to worship someone like Trump. I feel like you and others are giving him an awful lot of credit when the reality is Republicans have been anti-intellectual and pro-believing whatever you're told by elite Repu... | epgdr4 | CMV: People who hate Trump tend to under-estimate him. This is dangerous. | I am no fan of Trump. My reasons are manifold, but my main reasons can be divided into two areas. First, his economic ideology is to recreate Indian or Chinese economic variables in the USA, i.e., minimal government responsibility for social costs, a large low paid work force, etc etc.
Second, as president, personal m... | 1,579,161,901 | [deleted] | fejq7x4 | fejff9l | 1 | -3 |
CMV: A work of art must be able to be separated from the artist, like an invention from its inventor or a business from its founder. No matter the crimes of the creator, the art should be able to stand on its own feet and continue to be enjoyed, not censored.
First some imaginary examples to prove my point. Let’s say ... | Well in some cases it is fairly easy. Lovecraft was a bit of a dick, but it is easy to separate him from his work. Because he is dead. He can't profit off of you purchasing and consuming his work.
Musk or ferrari-man CEO aren't dead, they still make money if you buy the cars which brings a second prong into the equati... | >Well in the context of my argument, why not?
Well for many reasons but bluntly because its Hitler. You can "separate" all you want but its still his and his name is attached to it. If I own a piece of his art because I like it does perception is reality and that means I am for his cause.
> Okay so if Elon Musk did ... | l0omtp | CMV: A work of art must be able to be separated from the artist, like an invention from its inventor or a business from its founder. No matter the crimes of the creator, the art should be able to stand on its own feet and continue to be enjoyed, not censored. | First some imaginary examples to prove my point. Let’s say Elon Musk or the Ferrari CEO turn out to be pedophiles. Should car dealers stop selling Teslas and Ferraris? I don’t think so. Or let’s say a scientist who discovers the cure for cancer turns out to be a nazi. Should the world no longer use their cure? Again, i... | 1,611,077,485 | trudlymadlydeeplyme | gjup4f9 | gjuooz0 | 2 | 0 |
CMV: Homicide rates in the black community deserve more attention
Over the last seven years, and especially in the last six months, Black Lives Matter has been a huge force in our society. Round the clock news coverage, absolutely dominating social media narratives, up to 26,000,000 people protesting about it in the s... | It seems like you're looking at the huge attention that police shootings of black people get, comparing that to the amount of attention that other killings of black people get, noticing that those two are inconsistent, and then concluding that people are paying too little attention to black people getting killed by non... | The issue here is that you need to unpick the causal factors somewhat; this is especially so *if* you are implying that there is something inherent to the culture of Black people that leads to high rates of homicide that needs to be addressed.
Globally, a high Gini-coefficient (a measure of wealth inequality) is corre... | l0u440 | CMV: Homicide rates in the black community deserve more attention | Over the last seven years, and especially in the last six months, Black Lives Matter has been a huge force in our society. Round the clock news coverage, absolutely dominating social media narratives, up to 26,000,000 people protesting about it in the streets in this country alone, and even violence and destruction bei... | 1,611,092,787 | chadonsunday | gjvoyfw | gjvmo25 | 10 | 4 |
CMV: People who watch anime are usually extremely weird
Look, before anybody crucifies me for saying this, it's important to note that, for some weird reason, I've never really liked anime. I guess it comes down to me seeing all that gore and deep suffering as a kid, so with time I just began to think that all anime m... | Not the greatest fan of anime either, but I still do watch some. I’ll admit the exaggerated expressions can turn people off a bit, but it’s simply an alternate form of storytelling. Besides, whatever the culture and style, the things that make good stories and relatable characters tend to be universal.
You might be t... | What is extremely weird about introverted people? | l0f4hy | CMV: People who watch anime are usually extremely weird | Look, before anybody crucifies me for saying this, it's important to note that, for some weird reason, I've never really liked anime. I guess it comes down to me seeing all that gore and deep suffering as a kid, so with time I just began to think that all anime must be weirdly exaggerated like that. Then there's all th... | 1,611,042,286 | ZestZeal | gjt6d4d | gjt681l | 2 | 1 |
CMV: there's no reason for urinals to be so high
I don't mean as in they're so high no one can reach them, I certainly can, and most people can as well, but what's the point of making them at a height where shorter people, kids, and those who have a condition like dwarfism have an issue with them when they can simply ... | I'm a tall guy. If urinals aren't mounted high enough, I pee in top of them. I'm not trying to, but if I zone out while peeing (a frequent thing) and my penis is above the top of the urinal, I get pee all over the top of the urinal. I feel bad about it and try not to, but it happens. | u/youknowihadtodabonem – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 2:
> **Don't be rude or hostile to other users.** Your comment will be removed even if most of it is solid, another user was rude to you first, or you feel your remark was justified. Report other violations; do not retaliate. [See the wiki page ... | eq04su | CMV: there's no reason for urinals to be so high | I don't mean as in they're so high no one can reach them, I certainly can, and most people can as well, but what's the point of making them at a height where shorter people, kids, and those who have a condition like dwarfism have an issue with them when they can simply put them lower, closer to the floor, and make it a... | 1,579,266,427 | Blockable | fems69g | femrye1 | 7 | 1 |
CMV: Country of Birth will go the way of Sexism, Racism, and Homophobia
I think treating someone different because of where they were born is akin to racism or sexism.
And eventually, we'll get rid of it.
[Edited paragraph]
I think that eventually, Xenophobia will be commonly considered wrong, and where you were born... | The word that you are looking for is, "xenophobia".
And yes, it will go away.
However, thanks to the European migrant crisis, I fully understand how national borders are very important. On the Western side of the world, we commonly mistake that the rest of the world shares our values but the truth is that there are s... | >ii) And the country someone is born in is something they had no control over
While this is true, one issue that pertains to this more at a national level rather than a local employer level is the threat of security. Certain countries are looked at more closely than others when it comes to immigration/work visas. Some... | 8og8oe | CMV: Country of Birth will go the way of Sexism, Racism, and Homophobia | I think treating someone different because of where they were born is akin to racism or sexism.
And eventually, we'll get rid of it.
[Edited paragraph]
I think that eventually, Xenophobia will be commonly considered wrong, and where you were born will have little impact on your life compared to how hard you work/your ... | 1,528,108,341 | jethrogillgren7 | e0365vm | e035da1 | 2 | 1 |
cmv: Apple’s monopoly is justified by its popularity and innovation
I find the continuous scrutiny of Apple by governments worldwide, where they’re accused of anti-competitive practices and having a monopolistic grip, somewhat unjust. There are calls for Apple to open up their ecosystem, to standardize their charging ... | > This success stems from their talent, smart business strategies, and their role in revolutionizing technology as we know it today.
One of the issues that hinders true innovation is Apple's strict control over apps and services available on iOS devices, e.g. by requiring that they limit functionalities that are simil... | Well no, there are two things ways. By being better and more efficient than the competition or through government intervention. And yes, it does mean that monopolies that are formed without government intervention is great for consumers… if consumers didn’t prefer it to the competition there would be no monopoly.
And ... | 193t6q8 | cmv: Apple’s monopoly is justified by its popularity and innovation | I find the continuous scrutiny of Apple by governments worldwide, where they’re accused of anti-competitive practices and having a monopolistic grip, somewhat unjust. There are calls for Apple to open up their ecosystem, to standardize their charging ports, and even suggestions to stop pre-installing their own apps lik... | 1,704,948,084 | karma78 | khcbyu7 | khc3dt8 | 1 | -3 |
CMV: AI art isn't theft, and effort shouldn't be a prerequisite for making art
I'm interested in what people have to say about a couple of things. I definitely agree that there need to be regulations in place--AI shouldn't be able to claim it's another author, for example, but to raise a couple of counterpoints to wha... | AI art is literally comprised of the work of other people, without their consent and often tiled in their specific style. I can, for example, type the name of an artist into most AI art apps as part of the 'creation process' and get back an image that draws specifically on their body of work. In what world is frankenst... | >In the end, I think your ideas are your ideas, and using AI to help you improve upon those ideas is still going to result in different work than someone else.
How does one draw a line between an idea and the expression of that idea? | 19billc | CMV: AI art isn't theft, and effort shouldn't be a prerequisite for making art | I'm interested in what people have to say about a couple of things. I definitely agree that there need to be regulations in place--AI shouldn't be able to claim it's another author, for example, but to raise a couple of counterpoints to what the anti-AI crowd thinks, I have a couple of questions. I have my own answers,... | 1,705,776,159 | Lucky_Face | kirwwol | kirwa45 | 4 | 3 |
CMV: Fish should be classified as meat
Fish is meat!
Fish is not typically associated with meat, it is considered sea food and there are some vegetarians (though not all) who don’t eat other meat but eat fish
I think fish should be considered meat because one, all other foods we associate meat with come from the fl... | Which definition of meat are you using? The scientific one, the culinary one, the day to day one, ....?
Technically speaking you are right. The parts of fish we typically eat are indeed meat scientifically speaking. However you're at the same time also wrong. Fish is, when speaking from a culinary standpoint, not ... | Everyone considered fish meat in the scientific sense. That meat is animal muscle tissue consumed as food.when vegetarians say it does not count they don’t mean that it’s literally not meat. They means the issues they have eating pig and cow and chicken don’t apply to fish. This is usually because this are opposed to t... | eq7zcj | CMV: Fish should be classified as meat | Fish is meat!
Fish is not typically associated with meat, it is considered sea food and there are some vegetarians (though not all) who don’t eat other meat but eat fish
I think fish should be considered meat because one, all other foods we associate meat with come from the flesh of animals such as chicken, beef, mu... | 1,579,301,776 | GreatRedCatTheThird | feoswe9 | feoqhxo | 10 | 3 |
CMV: I'm a deist
**EDIT**: Thanks to everyone for the great responses and discussion. At this point, I've changed from being a deist to being an agnostic atheist, with more emphasis on the agnostic. I don't think my search is over. I'm still fairly on the fence about this position, and I'm going to do some reading... | I'm an atheist
Let's start with the basics: atheism is not a group practice, it is not religion nor is it a belief system. It's just the non\-belief in gods. Why do I say that? Because it seems that you kinda want to be turned to become an atheist but can't because it doesn't answer something for you. But that's th... | I personally find the cosmological argument (God exists because the existence of the universe must have a cause) unpersuasive for a number of reasons, but the main ones are
1. if God exists, then God must himself have a creator.... infinite regress.
2. I don’t see why it is necessary that all extant things have cause... | 8nuotj | CMV: I'm a deist | **EDIT**: Thanks to everyone for the great responses and discussion. At this point, I've changed from being a deist to being an agnostic atheist, with more emphasis on the agnostic. I don't think my search is over. I'm still fairly on the fence about this position, and I'm going to do some reading and watch some mo... | 1,527,881,028 | ThePwnd | dzymzy2 | dzyjk7o | 3 | 1 |
CMV: Women, on the aggregate, aren't discriminated against from an economic perspective in the United States.
Essentially, the premise of my argument is centered around the study referenced here: http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/bmo-report-despite-controlling-14-trillion-wealth-american-women-still-have-challe... | TL;DR: The "control X% of the wealth stat" is unsourced, poorly defined, and as far as I can tell based on an extrapolation of some specific marketing research from the 90s. It does not mean "women own X% of the wealth," no matter how much you conflate the two.
I've posted about this multiple times, but the "women con... | Okay, so there are two data points:
1.) women control 50% of the US wealth.
2.) Women still experience a wage gap.
You might ask, how are these two points true? Well, remember, women tend to live longer and outlive their husbands. I’m sure there are a number of elderly woman with large retirement funds. A well funded... | 8ocdpt | CMV: Women, on the aggregate, aren't discriminated against from an economic perspective in the United States. | Essentially, the premise of my argument is centered around the study referenced here: http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/bmo-report-despite-controlling-14-trillion-wealth-american-women-still-have-challenges-tsx-bmo-2006436.htm
The essential piece of information from this article is that women control over 50% o... | 1,528,065,930 | Razor1339 | e02bdta | e02arhc | 17 | 2 |
CMV: Minimum wage is immoral
Minimum wage is an oft-debated issue in politics, and seems to be actively debated in the US right now. The usual argument in favour (as I understand it) boils down to the sentiment that all people deserve a decent life, which in turn requires a decent pay, which in turn can be achieved by... | > I don't see a consistent way to say, at the same time, that any employed person, no matter what job they do, deserves a certain income on account of some high-minded moral principle, while at the same time denying the same income to a person who does not have a job. But once we ensure a decent standard of life to eve... | A “more honest way” is knee-capping corporations and wealthy people to give it to poor people as welfare? This is just a long drawn out argument for socialism (which could hardly be called honest in my opinion). | l0k4ax | CMV: Minimum wage is immoral | Minimum wage is an oft-debated issue in politics, and seems to be actively debated in the US right now. The usual argument in favour (as I understand it) boils down to the sentiment that all people deserve a decent life, which in turn requires a decent pay, which in turn can be achieved by increasing the minimum wage. ... | 1,611,063,999 | SwarozycDazbog | gjtwtjl | gjtvpqn | 17 | 1 |
CMV: Women who sexualize themselves and use their sex appeal to advance their careers in fields where sex appeal isn't a fundamental part, are hurting the women's movement, and should be discouraged from doing so.
So in light of stuff like the #MeToo movement, many women are tired of being objectified, and being see s... | Why do you assume it has to be one or the other? Just because a woman is being sexualized doesn't mean anyone is thinking of her as less of a person (objectification). I can both want to bang a woman like a drum at a Parkinson's convention and respect her opinions, ideals and not forget she's a person with feelings and... | > After all, the golf course in this context is a professional setting, and not a place to try and be "sexy". Men on the PGA Tour are required to adhere to a specific dress code of polo shirt and slacks and aren't allowed to dress "sexy" either.
Well for one, men can't dress sexy. Women's sex appeal generally cente... | 8os9od | CMV: Women who sexualize themselves and use their sex appeal to advance their careers in fields where sex appeal isn't a fundamental part, are hurting the women's movement, and should be discouraged from doing so. | So in light of stuff like the #MeToo movement, many women are tired of being objectified, and being see solely as sex objects. Rightfully so, they want to be judged on their other merits, and not be seen just as a sex object for men's gaze. However, when attractive women purposely sexualize and objectify themselves t... | 1,528,216,521 | Justgoahead123 | e06dtc8 | e05rifo | 15 | 0 |
cmv: Increasing minimum wage will not only help the poor, it will help the rich.
Increasing minimum wage will be a good thing for everyone. People seem to be upset at the fact that the higher pay will hurt their business because they cannot afford it. They are not taking into consideration other factors.
Increased m... | Okay, so I’m not saying that increasing minimum wage is inherently a bad idea, but your reasoning doesn’t really make sense from an economics perspective.
For one thing, fixed cost is not reduced due to increasing demand - fixed cost would be things like the price of renting factory space. It’s a bit silly to say that... | [There are sources that say minimum wage wouldn't do either.](https://www.heritage.org/jobs-and-labor/report/15-minimum-wages-will-substantially-raise-prices) An increased minimum wage is likely to help those at the top more than the middle and the bottom because they operate on different profit margins: a small busine... | kzwf9y | cmv: Increasing minimum wage will not only help the poor, it will help the rich. | Increasing minimum wage will be a good thing for everyone. People seem to be upset at the fact that the higher pay will hurt their business because they cannot afford it. They are not taking into consideration other factors.
Increased minimum wage increases a companies variable expense. There is no denying that. You ... | 1,610,982,632 | Straightup32 | gjq62js | gjq5u25 | 3 | 2 |
CMV: The act of "Coming Out" makes no sense to me
I believe the title itself will definitely raise a few eyebrows so let me at least start if off by saying this. I take my hat off to all the LGBT members who had to go through this tough state, we weren't always at the point of where we are now and it took you guys to ... | I assume, because it’s much more common to be heterosexual than homosexual, that my daughters are heterosexual.
If they were struggling at all with their sexuality, and needed support, advice, or even if they just wanted me to know, for my own edification, it wouldn’t be appropriate to do that with just like a text me... | I think it's import to ask to whom are you coming out? You are referring to YouTube videos and influencers but generally it's friends and family that are the most important people to come out to in most people's lives. It can be a big deal when people are either resistant or when it's just a surprise. I don't speak for... | 19bic4j | CMV: The act of "Coming Out" makes no sense to me | I believe the title itself will definitely raise a few eyebrows so let me at least start if off by saying this. I take my hat off to all the LGBT members who had to go through this tough state, we weren't always at the point of where we are now and it took you guys to go through the fight to be able to have the accepta... | 1,705,775,477 | legacy333 | kirwizh | kirv2hg | 22 | 6 |
CMV: People who watch anime are usually extremely weird
Look, before anybody crucifies me for saying this, it's important to note that, for some weird reason, I've never really liked anime. I guess it comes down to me seeing all that gore and deep suffering as a kid, so with time I just began to think that all anime m... | This really depends on the environment you’re in. When I was in high school, the people who watched anime were semi-weird losers. In college, some of those people existed, but there were also a lot of cool and otherwise normal people who watched anime. I would argue that people who watch anime are usually weird, but us... | You need to define parameters here.
Your name, Hunter x Hunter, My Hero Academia, Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, Bleach, Jojo, One Piece, One Punch Man, Attack on Titan, Yu-Gi-Oh, Sailor Moon, Digimon, Pokemon, Beyblade; are all names of popular anime outside of anime fans communities.
My definition of “People who watch an... | l0f4hy | CMV: People who watch anime are usually extremely weird | Look, before anybody crucifies me for saying this, it's important to note that, for some weird reason, I've never really liked anime. I guess it comes down to me seeing all that gore and deep suffering as a kid, so with time I just began to think that all anime must be weirdly exaggerated like that. Then there's all th... | 1,611,042,286 | ZestZeal | gjte33t | gjta6lo | 2 | 1 |
CMV:Paying for sex shouldn't be seen as a flaw in one's Character nor should it be seen as disgusting
I think as long as consent can be gotten from both parties and the sex worker isnt being trafficked , I don't think this should be used as a judgment of one's character or be shamed in any way, I have seen alot of pe... | Just like almost every other Job, and any other form of sex work like strippers, onlyfans model , some e girl, girls who post theist traps on social media, so what makes those empowering and not this | On one hand, we shouldn't judge people. On the other hand, it's good to have strong moral beliefs. One of my beliefs is that sex outside of marriage is very immoral. Reducing it to a business transaction is even worse. | 10unvlh | CMV:Paying for sex shouldn't be seen as a flaw in one's Character nor should it be seen as disgusting | I think as long as consent can be gotten from both parties and the sex worker isnt being trafficked , I don't think this should be used as a judgment of one's character or be shamed in any way, I have seen alot of people shame people more specifically men who pay for sex , they view it as disgusting and i fail to und... | 1,675,632,028 | Due-Lie-8710 | j7en49q | j7cw6y8 | 0 | -1 |
CMV: There is nothing wrong with having body count preferences
How is it that you can have preferences over almost every single thing except body count? Height, hair color, eye color, career, religion, etc… Especially since sex before marriage is often against a religious belief. I’ll admit, it’s a little strange to p... | The issue with body count preferences, from my perspective, is the following: the body count is not a personal characteristic due to the differences in human interpretation of the sexual act. Moreover, the definitive nature of the body count does not take into account the fact that people change, and their perception o... | Yeah, vaginas don't exactly get 'worn out and loosened' by exercise. The opposite is true.
There are evidence-based reasons for desiring a partner with a lower number of previous sexual partners, though.
There's a preponderance of evidence that the more past sexual partners a person has, the more likely they are to... | 10u6832 | CMV: There is nothing wrong with having body count preferences | How is it that you can have preferences over almost every single thing except body count? Height, hair color, eye color, career, religion, etc… Especially since sex before marriage is often against a religious belief. I’ll admit, it’s a little strange to put “Looking for someone with x Body Count” on a bio or something... | 1,675,579,848 | GenocidalFlower | j7a8lbr | j7a84zk | 173 | -19 |
CMV: A human's life is vastly more valuable than an animals.
When presented with the life altering, and dreadful decision to either save your pets life or a complete strangers life, which do you choose?
Recently, I got into this debate with my fiance about this. If it came down to her (and ours, but hers first) dog... | There's a big difference between a random human and your own pet. If the options were to save a random dog vs a random human then you should save the human. However, I don't think an average person has a particular duty to save the life of a random person. You do have a duty to protect your pet, because it's your pet. ... | Okay first you have to prove why the human life has more value than an animal’s life. Probably that value that you think human life has has more to do with the fact that you’re human rather than an objective reason for that value. I woyld argue that animal life has the same value as human life, but we as human (mainly ... | 8odjyg | CMV: A human's life is vastly more valuable than an animals. | When presented with the life altering, and dreadful decision to either save your pets life or a complete strangers life, which do you choose?
Recently, I got into this debate with my fiance about this. If it came down to her (and ours, but hers first) dog or a random human life, which would she save? She chose the d... | 1,528,076,664 | muhwreck | e02kaon | e02jvv6 | 33 | 6 |
CMV: Society should have more empathy towards pedophiles but not child molesters
Okay I've probably made a lot of people squirm and shower me in downvotes from the title alone but hear me out.
There's a big distinction between pedophiles and child molesters.
* Pedophiles are sexually attracted to prepubescent childr... | As a non-offending pedophile, I greatly applaud this post and agree with almost all of your points. I've been sexually attracted to children younger than myself since I was 12. At 16, that attraction evolved to also become emotional. Within months of that, I understood that I was a pedophile, and that realization was c... | 1: Why are you against letting people watch real child porn? It's perfectly legal to show pictures of people (so that includes children) being decapitated, eviscerated, burned, stabbed, tortured. Gore videos all over the internet, and many people even jerk off to it.
If that isn't wrong, **or at least not big enough o... | l0jd57 | CMV: Society should have more empathy towards pedophiles but not child molesters | Okay I've probably made a lot of people squirm and shower me in downvotes from the title alone but hear me out.
There's a big distinction between pedophiles and child molesters.
* Pedophiles are sexually attracted to prepubescent children. A quick Google search tells me that pedophiles could represent something betwe... | 1,611,061,207 | YourBFsWorstNightmar | gju519z | gju3uxs | 26 | -4 |
cmv: it isn't a good technique to argue vaguely
there are two classes of debaters who might argue unspecifically, the first class knows a lot on the subject and argues with the expectation that the opposition is equally as educated on the subject and understands their point of view. the second class knows little to no... | Depends what your goal is. If your goal is to win a debate competition, then sure you are right.
My goal is not to win a debate competition. My goal - both in CMV and in my life as an activist, union member, etc. - is to persuade people. Sc[ientific evidence shows that most people aren't persuaded by evidence](https:/... | > to change my view you might show me a case where an unspecific assertion on a point of contention changed minds reliably.
I can do you one better.
Trump was *President*. He convinced tens of millions of people to vote for him, to actively support him as their champion. And he did so by literally just making shit up... | 10ufejs | cmv: it isn't a good technique to argue vaguely | there are two classes of debaters who might argue unspecifically, the first class knows a lot on the subject and argues with the expectation that the opposition is equally as educated on the subject and understands their point of view. the second class knows little to nothing about the subject and cannot specify exampl... | 1,675,611,642 | IronSmithFE | j7bpewf | j7biebt | 10 | 8 |
CMV: The death of Makiyah Bryant is a poor example of police brutality and systemic racism in the US.
The media is reporting the death of a black 16-year-old girl, Makiyah Bryant, by a white cop and associating it with the Chauvin verdict on the same day. The intent here is clear: to portray this as another incident o... | I would like to clarify that I am from Eastern Europe, so my view about the situation in the US is to be taken with a grain of salt, as I am speaking as an outsider. However, I believe that any community that experiences a 15-16 year old girl attacking another teenager with a knife (either for self-defence or any other... | Except that's a bit of a strange framing of the question in my opinion. The idea that a meaningful amount of moderate people are, for all intent and purposes, absolutely neutral and virtually unknowing on the issue of police brutality (or the more particular issue of police brutality in the context of race relations), ... | mvbr5s | CMV: The death of Makiyah Bryant is a poor example of police brutality and systemic racism in the US. | The media is reporting the death of a black 16-year-old girl, Makiyah Bryant, by a white cop and associating it with the Chauvin verdict on the same day. The intent here is clear: to portray this as another incident of police brutality and systemic racism.
However, shooting Makiyah Bryant was justified. She was lungin... | 1,618,996,381 | KoreanStudentDoctor | gvctll3 | gvbe18y | 121 | -1 |
CMV: Women, on the aggregate, aren't discriminated against from an economic perspective in the United States.
Essentially, the premise of my argument is centered around the study referenced here: http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/bmo-report-despite-controlling-14-trillion-wealth-american-women-still-have-challe... | A lot of the 51% is due to inheritance. Women live longer than men, so it makes sense that they end up with more inheritance. Husbands tend to die before wives — especially because men tend to marry younger women. I’m kind of surprised women don’t hold a bigger chunk of wealth.
I’d also point out that of the Forbes l... | I've heard that women are responsible for closer to 80% of purchases (I've read anywhere from 65% to 94%), so 50% would be shockingly low.
But at the same time, the article gives no definition of what they mean. Maybe the original report gives a better idea, I'll check into it.
EDIT: Not looking any clearer in [the ... | 8ocdpt | CMV: Women, on the aggregate, aren't discriminated against from an economic perspective in the United States. | Essentially, the premise of my argument is centered around the study referenced here: http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/bmo-report-despite-controlling-14-trillion-wealth-american-women-still-have-challenges-tsx-bmo-2006436.htm
The essential piece of information from this article is that women control over 50% o... | 1,528,065,930 | Razor1339 | e02avd6 | e02afps | 7 | 2 |
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