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CMV: The method described in this post will raise the marriage rate between white guys and black women, in a socially acceptable way, enough to eliminate racism.
I submitted a CMV a few days ago on whether raising that marriage rate would actually eliminate racism, and most people seemed to think it would work if I ha... | >The method is really quite simple: all we have to do is get the Republican National Committee to add a plank to its national political platform, to the following effect: The problem with racism in this country stems primarily from an inability to tell the truth about it. The truth we need to tell is this: if, while yo... | Nothing in this diatribe of a post explains how increasing the marriage rates between white men and black women will lead to the elimination of any given incidence of racism. Can you state plainly how you actually expect this to work?
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I imagine it would lead to more mixed race children, which could alter views of... | 174nesx | CMV: The method described in this post will raise the marriage rate between white guys and black women, in a socially acceptable way, enough to eliminate racism. | I submitted a CMV a few days ago on whether raising that marriage rate would actually eliminate racism, and most people seemed to think it would work if I had a good plan, although everyone wanted to know how I was going to do that. Forcing/pushing bad!
I agree. Forcing/pushing bad. So the CMV today is not ... | tolkienfan2759 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: De-escalation and peace between the Koreas will only lead to more suffering in the future
There's been recent hubbub over how the DPRK is defusing tensions between itself and SK/USA. We have yet to know if they're actually committed to long term de-escalation but they have already done things like sending athlete... | Thousands of deaths in an invasion? We're talking tens of thousands of deaths within the first *day*. Not counting the fact that invading DPRK is also invading China, and that there is a significant risk of nuclear retaliation.
In no way whatsoever will invasion be the less bloody alternative.
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I don't think tha... | If you want to know what regime change looks like, look at Afghanistan and Iraq. The US has created chaos and suffering. Peaceful change is always better.
I believe extensively in self determination. What that means is that I feel it is up to the North Koreans to decide what they want. It is not the United States rol... | 8d75tn | CMV: De-escalation and peace between the Koreas will only lead to more suffering in the future | There's been recent hubbub over how the DPRK is defusing tensions between itself and SK/USA. We have yet to know if they're actually committed to long term de-escalation but they have already done things like sending athletes to a unified Korean team in the winter Olympics and proposing meetings with foreign leaders. I... | koraedo | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: It is counterproductive to mock Trump for ending the government shutdown
Donald Trump was responsible for the shutdown, he is the one who decided that hundreds of thousands of paychecks are less important than a wall which won’t work. He should take full responsibility for causing the government to shut down in t... | I think there are two ways of seeing this.
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One like you said Trump could be hard ass in the future and not back down.
Or
He could see that he is being relentlessly mocked and is less likely to try to attempt it again in the future. Since he did declare that this is after all a temporary shut down, which i... | You argue Trump is responsible for the shutdown, but then say:
> This should be something that is applauded by people from all sides of the aisle.
Why should I applaud someone no longer being quite as stupid or ridiculous as they were before? Are you trying to say it's...incrementally better than it was before? Usi... | ak9xfk | CMV: It is counterproductive to mock Trump for ending the government shutdown | Donald Trump was responsible for the shutdown, he is the one who decided that hundreds of thousands of paychecks are less important than a wall which won’t work. He should take full responsibility for causing the government to shut down in the first place. I’m not arguing about that.
However, Trump is the one to bac... | austrianemperor | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Free Healthcare and Free College are completely unrealistic ideas in the United States.
For a number of reasons.
Medicare for All for example will never take off in America because the states won’t give up that much power to the federal govt. A “single payer” system is unconstitutional because the states have to... | > Sorry, but Americans would rather shell out the big bucks just to be surrounded by fellow Catholics, hippies, vegans, football jocks, etc.
Free college doesn't prevent these things. Alongside free colleges, you could still have exclusive private universities that charge for attendance.
> In America, college isn’t... | >And finally, looking to Europe as a model for our social system doesn’t have much “panache” these days if you’ve been following the news over there.
What news would that be?
>They don’t even have private rock climbing walls or a football team!
American football is stupid and silly. I'm glad they are not wasting my... | 9zz69f | CMV: Free Healthcare and Free College are completely unrealistic ideas in the United States. | For a number of reasons.
Medicare for All for example will never take off in America because the states won’t give up that much power to the federal govt. A “single payer” system is unconstitutional because the states have to decide in what manner this healthcare subsidy gets distributed and if the poorer states decid... | umnz | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: I don't wanna and shouldn't put in so much work and effort to have casual sex and relationships when so many other guys who are not conventionally attractive find attractive partners who are out of their league.
Today is my 17th birthday. I made a post on here before and it has really helped and made me feel bett... | I hate to tell you, but the girls and the other guys aren't the problem.
In my experience guys go for looks first. Girls go for confidence first. Based on your assessments that everyone around you is a loser, but seems to be where you want to be screams you're missing something about yourself. You seem to think you... | You're 17, calm the fuck down.
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We are witnessing the birth of an incel
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He doesn't even realize it.
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lol he literally calls himself an incel at the start of his post | 177hsy9 | CMV: I don't wanna and shouldn't put in so much work and effort to have casual sex and relationships when so many other guys who are not conventionally attractive find attractive partners who are out of their league. | Today is my 17th birthday. I made a post on here before and it has really helped and made me feel better and changed the way I look at things a little. I made a post about being a 16 year old incel.
I have been on a self improvement journey and doing things that make me happy and grow as a person.
However... I can't ... | _Furry_Potato_ | 4 | 4 | [
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CMV: nothing in our day in age will ever truly replace the 3.5mm and 1/4" audio jacks. No digital innovation since it's inception has ever dethroned the audio jack and companies forcing these proprietary 'options' are doing it for no reason other than as a cash grab.
The 3.5 mm jack is the micro version of the quarter... | You have to admit - not using a cord is a lot easier than using a cord. And if wireless technology isn't there today to make it work seamlessly, it is definitely a major focus.
At the start, sure, it's a cash grab. But wouldn't you agree that no wires >> wires?
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Is it though? Sometimes the pairing is so frustrati... | Well, I was against apple pulling the jack. But in respect to your statement that analogue is better than digital, I say that depends.
Analogue packs a lot of continuous information which makes it good for music. But the music quality is only as good as the source. So if the source is not great, the output isn’t eithe... | 8vua8e | CMV: nothing in our day in age will ever truly replace the 3.5mm and 1/4" audio jacks. No digital innovation since it's inception has ever dethroned the audio jack and companies forcing these proprietary 'options' are doing it for no reason other than as a cash grab. | The 3.5 mm jack is the micro version of the quarter inch jack, which has been dated back to 1878. It's one of the most impressive inventions because of how long since creation it has been the gold standard and no new innovations can truly compete. Digital outputs are not better than analog, at least not yet and maybe n... | fallfastasleep | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Jordan Peterson has brought more people's political thinking towards the center of the spectrum, than the inverse.
So as many of you know, Dr. Jordan Peterson has blown up in the last 2 years, and in doing so has been labeled many things: "Dangerous," "Alt-right," "Nazi," and "Mad mean white man."
I found out ab... | You'd need evidence that either Peterson is moving right wing people towards the left, or left wing people towards the right, for your view to be true. Does such evidence exist?
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If you look at the r/JBP sub, you see posts every week that say that they used to be on the left and are now center or right-leaning. H... | It’s possible Jordan Peterson is often called a Nazi because who refers to anyone to the left of him as a Marxist.
[In the wake of the Toronto incel who ran over six people, Jordan said-](http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2018/05/20/incels-embrace-jordan-peterson-after-he-calls-for-enforced-monogamy/)
> “He was angry... | 8vtkqw | CMV: Jordan Peterson has brought more people's political thinking towards the center of the spectrum, than the inverse. | So as many of you know, Dr. Jordan Peterson has blown up in the last 2 years, and in doing so has been labeled many things: "Dangerous," "Alt-right," "Nazi," and "Mad mean white man."
I found out about him from Sam Harris's first Waking Up podcast with him. Not the best first impression but I was open to hearing more ... | beesdaddy | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Western countries shouldn't accept refugees because it is a lot cheaper to house them in secured areas of their country/neighboring country.
I'm talking mostly about refugees from iraq/syria because of the war going on there. There are of course valid reasons why western countries should accept refugees. For exam... | How much money do think this plan would save?
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I have no idea, I don't know the cost of housing a refugee in a western country. (this probably varies by country)
And I don't know how much the living standard of refugees currently in the middle east would need to be improved.
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Its 12x more cost effective to h... | Jordan has 630,000 registered Syrian refugees, but the actual number is a million and a half.
There are about 250,000 refugees in Iraqi Kurdistan and, as you you know, Iraq is currently fighting its own was against ISIS and is not all that stable at the moment.
Lebanon hosts hosts almost 2 million refugees.
Turkey ... | 5nx88x | CMV: Western countries shouldn't accept refugees because it is a lot cheaper to house them in secured areas of their country/neighboring country. | I'm talking mostly about refugees from iraq/syria because of the war going on there. There are of course valid reasons why western countries should accept refugees. For example: political refugees, lbgt people being prosecuted in their country etc...
I'd think that one could give a home to multiple refugees in secured... | Poppejans | 17 | 17 | [
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CMV: People who are vegan/vegetarian for the sake of the farm animals are being ridiculous.
preface: i’m quite new to reddit and i don’t know how posting etiquette and such works. keeping this very brief, i’ve read the guidelines and i think—but am not sure if—this is the right way/place to do this. please let me know... | There are a few issues with this argument.
First, eating even the best-raised farm animals will help create a market for cheaper meat, that would probably come from a factory farm. So, by participating in meat-eating at all, you're supporting the entire system of meat production.
Also, I want to dig a little more i... | The Golden Rule is an idea older than all currently existing cultures and religions. It states that you should treat others as you wish to be treated. Humans think it's wrong to imprison other humans (even in comfortable settings) and then kill them. Vegans/vegetarians extend that idea to animals as well.
Common respo... | ak9do0 | CMV: People who are vegan/vegetarian for the sake of the farm animals are being ridiculous. | preface: i’m quite new to reddit and i don’t know how posting etiquette and such works. keeping this very brief, i’ve read the guidelines and i think—but am not sure if—this is the right way/place to do this. please let me know if it is not.
i’m obviously not vegan or vegetarian and none of my family or friends are. m... | paintmeoverup | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Holocaust deniers and trivialisers are so persistent because our side made some critical missteps
**Firstly, I must emphasise that I am in no way a Holocaust denier or trivialiser.**
However, [I recently lost a debate against one](https://np.reddit.com/r/Moronavirus/comments/o17gsb/no_new_normal_is_more_of_a_thr... | Holocaust denial is nothing more than a relay race with goalposts in place of a baton. Thinking otherwise is your underlying mistake
Consider what they're doing, too. People used to say the Holocaust never happened in the first place. Then the camps existed, but they were just holding centres. Sure, some people died, ... | If you don't censor people who try to teach lies as facts, what does your "history" end up looking like?
[https://feld.com/archives/2019/06/every-lie-we-tell-incurs-a-debt-to-the-truth.html](https://feld.com/archives/2019/06/every-lie-we-tell-incurs-a-debt-to-the-truth.html)
“Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the tr... | o5yxmz | CMV: Holocaust deniers and trivialisers are so persistent because our side made some critical missteps | **Firstly, I must emphasise that I am in no way a Holocaust denier or trivialiser.**
However, [I recently lost a debate against one](https://np.reddit.com/r/Moronavirus/comments/o17gsb/no_new_normal_is_more_of_a_threat_than_rincel/h2f9cmu/?context=100) (please no brigading). He says these stuff despite being [of Jewis... | Fuligo_septica | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Holocaust deniers and trivialisers are so persistent because our side made some critical missteps
**Firstly, I must emphasise that I am in no way a Holocaust denier or trivialiser.**
However, [I recently lost a debate against one](https://np.reddit.com/r/Moronavirus/comments/o17gsb/no_new_normal_is_more_of_a_thr... | If you don't censor people who try to teach lies as facts, what does your "history" end up looking like?
[https://feld.com/archives/2019/06/every-lie-we-tell-incurs-a-debt-to-the-truth.html](https://feld.com/archives/2019/06/every-lie-we-tell-incurs-a-debt-to-the-truth.html)
“Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the tr... | Fuck holocaust deniers.
Banning them is what we should do as their ideas have zero merit. Those fucking idiots don't deserve a spot at the table just because they spew their bullshit. The holocaust was one of the most documented events in human history.
What what exactly do you mean by figures by the PRC?
Which fi... | o5yxmz | CMV: Holocaust deniers and trivialisers are so persistent because our side made some critical missteps | **Firstly, I must emphasise that I am in no way a Holocaust denier or trivialiser.**
However, [I recently lost a debate against one](https://np.reddit.com/r/Moronavirus/comments/o17gsb/no_new_normal_is_more_of_a_threat_than_rincel/h2f9cmu/?context=100) (please no brigading). He says these stuff despite being [of Jewis... | Fuligo_septica | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: going out of your way to make friends and socialize is pathetic, needy and I would prefer to be some overachiever badass who doesn't need anybody and have people try to come up to me and befriend me first.
I can't exactly 100% put it into words but I would rather be some cool and badass person who is above everyo... | Famous psychoanalyst Joan Riviere defined narcissism as a "denial of reliance on one's objects. "Objects" meaning in this context important social bonds. Your fantasy of an omnipotent lack of need for others as some sort of loner "badass" falls directly within this definition. In this view, the narcissism is a defense ... | >I would rather be some cool and badass person who is above everyone else and doesn't need to rely on socialization.
I mean, everyone would like to be popular and cool. The issue is that, as you said, you're not. And you're unlikely to make yourself into that because if it was that easy everyone would do it. So you ca... | 177e1e0 | CMV: going out of your way to make friends and socialize is pathetic, needy and I would prefer to be some overachiever badass who doesn't need anybody and have people try to come up to me and befriend me first. | I can't exactly 100% put it into words but I would rather be some cool and badass person who is above everyone else and doesn't need to rely on socialization.
after what happened in NYC with kai cenat, I have been trying everything to try to become a popular youtube/twitch streamer so I can make lots of money and hav... | Eastern-Echidna5997 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Trump's Twitter ban is the perfect spark to a much needed conversation about social media influence
If 10 years ago, you were to tell the average American that the president of the United States were to be banned from using social media platforms that has billions of users in 10 years, you would be called crazy, ... | Do you understand the context in which these people are being banned? If 10 years ago you told people the President could be credibly accused of inciting insurrection - or that a sect of conservatives thinks Democrats are a cabal of election stealing child rapists, you'd also be seen as crazy. But that's what happened.... | I don’t quite agree that Trump’s twitter ban is a necessary evil. More like it just being necessary in general. The ONLY reason he wasn’t suspended years ago is because twitter felt it important the people be able to see what this man is saying. He’s no longer the president though, and now he’s just another twitter use... | kv4pyb | CMV: Trump's Twitter ban is the perfect spark to a much needed conversation about social media influence | If 10 years ago, you were to tell the average American that the president of the United States were to be banned from using social media platforms that has billions of users in 10 years, you would be called crazy, and rightfully so. It should be horrificly frightening that our public discourse has gotten this bad which... | overhardeggs | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: People that say trans women are males are not genuine
i can only think of 2 ways to define biological sex:
1. by main sexual traits meaning: genitals and hormone levels
2. by all sexually dymorphous traits: genitals, hormones, skeletal structure, bone density, muscule mass, vocal chords...etc
now the implicati... | Surely you can think of lots of other ways to define sex?
While I agree with your conclusion, someone might simply say "chromosomes define your sex". if you take this stance then definitionally a trans woman is a man.
This is dumb since we have almost no access to the "truth" and ultimately we should just go with... | My understanding is that being transgender is not about sex, it's is about gender. In that case, for all practical purposes they are whatever gender they claim. Your arguments all seem to be more about sex. I feel like you are ignoring the main factor in sex which is the ability to reproduce. Edge cases aside, for almo... | upcvti | CMV: People that say trans women are males are not genuine | i can only think of 2 ways to define biological sex:
1. by main sexual traits meaning: genitals and hormone levels
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now the implication of these:
if you go by the first definition then trans w... | algerbanan | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: accidentally offending someone is not the fault of the offender, but the one who takes offence
Note: I'm not talking about going up to a black person and shouting a racial slur, or otherwise directly indenting to offend. but the more subtle offenses given when you hold an opinion or tell a joke in good conscience... | If you don't know someone well enough to know what may upset them you shouldn't be saying potentially offensive things.
Know your audience
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How? What is potentially offensive? Where is the line?
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If you don't know what most people may find offensive the problem is definitely you
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What a worthless comme... | >Ex: when in a conversation with someone you do not know that well, and in the telling of a joke or statement, you cause someone to become outraged.
I think this is entirely contextual. If you tell a a joke to someone you don't know well and they get offended, was their offense completely unforeseeable? Why are you te... | kuqson | CMV: accidentally offending someone is not the fault of the offender, but the one who takes offence | Note: I'm not talking about going up to a black person and shouting a racial slur, or otherwise directly indenting to offend. but the more subtle offenses given when you hold an opinion or tell a joke in good conscience and get a reaction as though hurt was intended.
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CMV: NYC Traffic Violaters Should Spend an Hour Underground in a Hole Per Traffic Violation.
So I drove into NYC because I'm an idiot and the extent to which people don't follow the rules is mind destroying. Speeding, biking inbetween cars, running red lights, sitting in the middle of an intersection, NOT USING TURN S... | Your opinion is unpopular so upvoted. But regardless:
*Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.*
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No fines, not THAT cruel, definitely not excessive or unusual. You sit in a box for an hour because you are literally threatening lives by not f... | One problem, the [8th Amendment](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution) which prohibits cruel and unusual punishments. This is pretty fucking unusual if you ask me, and a bit cruel.
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People need to get a grip, sitting in a box for an hour is not the end of the world.
-... | uphbko | CMV: NYC Traffic Violaters Should Spend an Hour Underground in a Hole Per Traffic Violation. | So I drove into NYC because I'm an idiot and the extent to which people don't follow the rules is mind destroying. Speeding, biking inbetween cars, running red lights, sitting in the middle of an intersection, NOT USING TURN SIGNALS, jaywalk whenever, at any time, whenever you feel like it.
And the cops sit like 5 inc... | ScummyMan12 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: When children display low intelligence, we should be training them to enter low-income jobs, not preparing them for college like everyone else.
This is for the USA in particular. Fact is, there are too many graduates, and a lot jobs we need don't take graduates. If a kid is three grades behind in reading or refus... | Seeems like it would just pigeonhole students into miserable futures, regardless of their actual capabilities.
I'm a high school AND college drop out that works as an analyst at a bank making a lot of money, even more so for a mid 20 year old. I outright reject the notion that because I had shitty grades I am unable t... | This seems similar though somewhat distinct from the grammar school argument going on in the UK at the moment, so I'll base some of my argument on that and try and adapt it for what you are saying.
In theory, you are right. We should be training students for what they will actually end up doing when they leave school.... | 5nnnrz | CMV: When children display low intelligence, we should be training them to enter low-income jobs, not preparing them for college like everyone else. | This is for the USA in particular. Fact is, there are too many graduates, and a lot jobs we need don't take graduates. If a kid is three grades behind in reading or refuses to do schoolwork or whatever, yeah they should still get the three R's, but the focus should be things like woodshop, welding, plumbing, circuits, ... | Nuclear_rabbit | 4 | 4 | [
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CMV: You should always wear sunscreen if you're going outside during the day.
Seriously, it's insane to me that not everybody does. It costs basically nothing, takes no time, and has zero drawbacks. Why aren't people doing this? Do they want to get skin cancer? Seriously there's nothing wrong with taking a precaution ... | >It costs basically nothing
Costs like $10-15 per bottle, depending on where you are. I have three kids, and we'll kill a bottle within 4 trips to the pool or beach. That's not a lot - but it adds up over time.
>takes no time,
Sure it does. Not a ton, especially for adults, but wrangling three kids to sunscreen the... | What if the weather doesn't call for it?
Like why should people in Ireland always wear it? Espeically during the oncoming winter?
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What weather? Even if it's overcast you should still wear it, UV rays don't care if it's cold.
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Famously lots and lots of rain and cloud cover. [Our own national weather service ... | 1778cap | CMV: You should always wear sunscreen if you're going outside during the day. | Seriously, it's insane to me that not everybody does. It costs basically nothing, takes no time, and has zero drawbacks. Why aren't people doing this? Do they want to get skin cancer? Seriously there's nothing wrong with taking a precaution for no downside, and it's common sense. Skin cancer kills, sunscreen prevents i... | Equivalent-Fix-7313 | 9 | 9 | [
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CMV: Having low key suicidal thoughts is fine and totally normal
First I'll just state that I have lost family and friends to suicide, so I'm not trying to trivialize things here.
I'm also not talking about like going to buy the gun, stocking up on pills, writing the note type suicidal thoughts. That I dont regard a... | Ok so as a joke I would say it’s alright but if you are like *if I kill myself I won’t have to do this hard stuff* but you should timing yourself of the awesome things in life.
If you keep saying *if I kill myself...* then it will grow and you might do it someday
That’s my opinion
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Idk. I mean I've been having... | > But occasionally contemplating it?
Where do you draw the line? Daily? Weekly?
Also, I would say that if the least bit of struggle or trauma makes you resort to suicidal ideation, that is not healthy -- as opposed to dealing with the problem, speaking to the person who's aggravating you, etc.
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Daily seems a bit... | hrxggx | CMV: Having low key suicidal thoughts is fine and totally normal | First I'll just state that I have lost family and friends to suicide, so I'm not trying to trivialize things here.
I'm also not talking about like going to buy the gun, stocking up on pills, writing the note type suicidal thoughts. That I dont regard as fine or normal.
But occasionally contemplating it? Being a bit... | [deleted] | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: There's nothing wrong with transracialism - the way I see it, it's the same as transgenderism
The main argument I can think of is "you can't just change your race, it's something you're born with." But this exact argument is what people used to say about transgenderism - that your gender is something you're born ... | As a human, your brain is supposed to know what your biological sex is.
In trans people, their brain does not match their physical body’s sex, which results in what we call gender dysphoria.
This is observable in brain scans of trans people, where the structures and activity of their brains match those of the sex th... | There is a history, and emerging genetic science, to suggest that (at least some) people who are trans are born that way, that is, there is something biological/genetic happening that is causing them to identify as a different sex than the one indicated by their chromosomes and genitals.
I don’t think there is anythi... | bie2ow | CMV: There's nothing wrong with transracialism - the way I see it, it's the same as transgenderism | The main argument I can think of is "you can't just change your race, it's something you're born with." But this exact argument is what people used to say about transgenderism - that your gender is something you're born with, and it's not something you can just change. But research and public opinion has (mostly) swaye... | clockworkmagic123 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Boycotting travel to the United States right now won’t matter in 2026 when the World Cup happens.
The world right now is reeling from trumps decisions and there are many countries issuing travel warnings. This has resulted in people cancelling their trips to America, limiting what they’re doing in America if they... | Boycotting travel to the US is hilarious because there might not be a country in the world that is *less* reliant on *foreign* tourism than the US is. We have so many domestic tourists, foreign tourism is a drop in the bucket. So that boycott does absolute jack shit.
So to comply with rule 1: you said the world cup wi... | > There is very little that is going to deter people from coming here and massively boosting our economy via lost tourism and that will probably offset any boycott prior to the tournament.
But the amount of money lost due to the boycott is still greater than 0, no?
(World Cup revenue - money lost via the boycott) < ... | 1jgk5df | CMV: Boycotting travel to the United States right now won’t matter in 2026 when the World Cup happens. | The world right now is reeling from trumps decisions and there are many countries issuing travel warnings. This has resulted in people cancelling their trips to America, limiting what they’re doing in America if they do visit, and even skipping out on American goods.
This will all change by next year, if not sooner, ... | BigChaosGuy | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Vilification of politicians changing positions "flip-flopping" is not a healthy political environment
I can fully understand not wanting your politicians to sway in favour of whichever way the wind blows at any given time. Most of the reason that this happens is because people want to believe that their choice of... | It's not so much the "flip flop", its the timing/transition that people don't like.
To take your example of the iraq war. Most people could respect a politician years later saying "it was a mistake on my part to be for that war. I have learned from that mistake and moving forward hope to make better judgements."
But... | > For example politicians that were for the iraq war have that used against them constantly. But they're unable to flat out say they were wrong because that's seen as being a flip-flop, when more realistically it's just a change in policy in response to new available evidence.
The problem is that what we generally ha... | dhp3ac | CMV: Vilification of politicians changing positions "flip-flopping" is not a healthy political environment | I can fully understand not wanting your politicians to sway in favour of whichever way the wind blows at any given time. Most of the reason that this happens is because people want to believe that their choice of politician has and always had held the views that you like because it means they're unlikely to change. But... | Poo-et | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: It is more moral to vote according to your own interest, rather than the collective interest
During a democratic election, there are essentially two voting strategies:
– Strategy A: Vote for the policy that would benefit society as a whole, according to some moral heuristic (utilitarian, egalitarian...). For exa... | Suggesting that voting for one's own interests over societies is moral would also suggest that *acting* in one's own interests over societies is equally moral.
Another way of putting that would be this: "It is moral to act in my own self-interest at the expense of societal self-interest." If this were true, stealing ... | Doesn’t your third clarification about empathy make the rest of your view moot? If people vote for what they see as collective interest because they’re empathetic enough to want that and think that’s better, they’re satisfying their perceived self interest, and you end up with the same result.
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– Strategy A: Vote for the policy that would benefit society as a whole, according to some moral heuristic (utilitarian, egalitarian...). For example, if you are very rich but follow egalitarian ethics, it would be morally right to vote for a p... | Antovigo | 2 | 2 | [
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CMV: Prisons should provide decent living conditions
***Disclaimer****:* ***Death Penalty*** *is outside of the scope of this discussion, please let's try to all leave it outside of it. For the sake of this debate, I'll consider that the worst sentence possible is a lifelong Jail sentence.*
I believe prisons shoul... | So homeless people with little to lose can just kill someone and be better off than they were? Sorry, but no. Prison needs to be worse than how any reasonable person could live their life outside of it.
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I'm se... | Are you specifically looking at Switzerland or Norway as the bare minimum example of decent living conditions, or is there a lower bar that you still would consider decent living conditions?
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I guess their standard are pretty high, so we could go lower, but I don’t have any reference closer to that.
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Thats fa... | 176xkrx | CMV: Prisons should provide decent living conditions | ***Disclaimer****:* ***Death Penalty*** *is outside of the scope of this discussion, please let's try to all leave it outside of it. For the sake of this debate, I'll consider that the worst sentence possible is a lifelong Jail sentence.*
I believe prisons should aim to be decent and provide humane living condition... | 0xAERG | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The Senate should be abolished.
It's not efficient or reasonable to allot vastly differing amounts of power to different groups of people solely based on where they live. The whole reason for the Senate's creation in the first place was a lack of political will among the small states threatening the ratification ... | The US has too much regional disparity to be an effective unitary state. Our differences would cause us to tear ourselves a part (and arguably are doing so now). There's a reason why no democracy close to our size exists that tries to maintain a simple unitary hierarchy. India doesn't, the EU doesn't, and Indonesia is ... | Would we be having this conversation if states like Wyoming voted Democrat and California Republican in 2016?
No one likes losing elections, especially presidential elections, but we go through this every time Reddit loses one. Inevitably Reddit comes up with all of these great ideas to make electoral law more "fair"... | 8c9j2s | CMV: The Senate should be abolished. | It's not efficient or reasonable to allot vastly differing amounts of power to different groups of people solely based on where they live. The whole reason for the Senate's creation in the first place was a lack of political will among the small states threatening the ratification of the Constitution; in an ideal world... | Chackoony | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: Trans people often lack direction and center their identity around their gender/trans status
I've been trying to better understand motivations behind transitioning but am hung up on one point. As an lgbt person, I really want to understand so please help me reddit! My thoughts about this are still pretty jumbled ... | Useless anecdote: I don’t know a lot of trans people, but at least one person I know is super-successful professional with a ton of hobbies and interests outside of trans issues
More valid thoughts: The primacy of trans (or LGBTQ) identity is more a result of the struggle for acceptance and recognition than something ... | So... you look at the trans/gay \*community\*, i.e. the people who unite around being trans/gay and conclude that all trans/gay people are like that?
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I definitely don't think all gay people have it as a central part of their identity. I'm not trying to focus on the trans \*community\* in particular... I'm not sur... | biamc0 | CMV: Trans people often lack direction and center their identity around their gender/trans status | I've been trying to better understand motivations behind transitioning but am hung up on one point. As an lgbt person, I really want to understand so please help me reddit! My thoughts about this are still pretty jumbled so feel free to ask for clarification about anything I don't explain well.
My main hangup is that ... | proteins911 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Nintendo disappointed massively with their Nintendo Switch Direct yesterday, and proved that they don't know how to appeal to their audience
Before I go into what Nintendo did wrong yesterday, here are some of the positives:
* The Switch will have a March 3rd release date
* Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild ... | >No Pokemon. There were rumors about a full Pokemon game coming to the Switch, but those appear to be untrue. Again, a huge waste of an opportunity.
>No Metroid, Donkey Kong, Kirby, etc.
Pokémon Sun/Moon literally came out less than two months ago. Not only that, but it's not like the games shown yesterday are going ... | I gotta say, some of your focuses seem a little idiosyncratic. Like, I hear people talking about having a blast playing Splatoon, eSports are still very niche, and I doubt anyone thinks they won't get Pokemon or SSB sooner rather than later.
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Some peo... | 5nt0o8 | CMV: Nintendo disappointed massively with their Nintendo Switch Direct yesterday, and proved that they don't know how to appeal to their audience | Before I go into what Nintendo did wrong yesterday, here are some of the positives:
* The Switch will have a March 3rd release date
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CMV:CMV: I see abortion as a compassionate act that has nothing to do with a woman’s bodily autonomy.
I've managed to reconcile two of my beliefs that at first seem irreconcilable: the belief that life begins at conception, and the belief that a woman’s choice to terminate a pregnancy is not immoral and should not be ... | Assisted suicide is not decided on behalf of someone. The person whose life is ending is the one who makes that decision. I think that is a pretty key difference here.
You mention at the start that you believe life begins at conception, yet you believe that terminating the life of a fetus is just another of the decis... | >This decision is based on the child’s perceived prospects for happiness, given that they are unwanted, and not on whether the mother should have control of her own body, which I see as immaterial.
Should we therefore allow infanticide on the same grounds?
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Killing before birth is by definition abortion, and kil... | uo8dtf | CMV:CMV: I see abortion as a compassionate act that has nothing to do with a woman’s bodily autonomy. | I've managed to reconcile two of my beliefs that at first seem irreconcilable: the belief that life begins at conception, and the belief that a woman’s choice to terminate a pregnancy is not immoral and should not be illegal.
I believe that a new human life is created at conception because new DNA is formed at that po... | seagazer | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: men who didn’t want the kid shouldn’t have to pay child support
Ok so I fully believe in the right of women to choose whether they have a child or not, but I feel when the woman wants to keep the kid but the man does not then he shouldn’t have to pay child support.
Basically, for all intents and purposes, he wa... | Actions have consequences. Don’t have sex if you don’t want to potentially have a kid who you have to support at the very least financially.
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I don’t know why people keep arguing this. Consent to sex is not consent to a kid, that’s why birth control and abortions exist.
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I know how to prevent ... | This is an incredibly popular view around here. But basically there are two major issues with it: it makes a situation already tipped in men’s favor already even more tipped in their favor and it actively harms society by making children worse off.
Frankly, I see no reason to make sex 100% responsibility free for men ... | bibf21 | CMV: men who didn’t want the kid shouldn’t have to pay child support | Ok so I fully believe in the right of women to choose whether they have a child or not, but I feel when the woman wants to keep the kid but the man does not then he shouldn’t have to pay child support.
Basically, for all intents and purposes, he was a sperm donor but nothing more. If he didn’t pay child support he wo... | Bellismo121 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: men who didn’t want the kid shouldn’t have to pay child support
Ok so I fully believe in the right of women to choose whether they have a child or not, but I feel when the woman wants to keep the kid but the man does not then he shouldn’t have to pay child support.
Basically, for all intents and purposes, he wa... | The woman only has more options up until the child is born. At that point both are even, so there really isn't a double standard. For instance, if a woman is pregnant and decides to keep it because the man really wants it but she wants no contact after birth she's still going to be stuck with child support. Even though... | This is an incredibly popular view around here. But basically there are two major issues with it: it makes a situation already tipped in men’s favor already even more tipped in their favor and it actively harms society by making children worse off.
Frankly, I see no reason to make sex 100% responsibility free for men ... | bibf21 | CMV: men who didn’t want the kid shouldn’t have to pay child support | Ok so I fully believe in the right of women to choose whether they have a child or not, but I feel when the woman wants to keep the kid but the man does not then he shouldn’t have to pay child support.
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CMV: men who didn’t want the kid shouldn’t have to pay child support
Ok so I fully believe in the right of women to choose whether they have a child or not, but I feel when the woman wants to keep the kid but the man does not then he shouldn’t have to pay child support.
Basically, for all intents and purposes, he wa... | The woman only has more options up until the child is born. At that point both are even, so there really isn't a double standard. For instance, if a woman is pregnant and decides to keep it because the man really wants it but she wants no contact after birth she's still going to be stuck with child support. Even though... | Actions have consequences. Don’t have sex if you don’t want to potentially have a kid who you have to support at the very least financially.
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CMV: Ethnic Studies should include white ethnic minorities.
This includes Irish, Italians, Slavs, Spanish, Portugese, etc. All of these groups are certainly ethnic minorities, have certainly contributed to American society, and have certainly been oppressed.
The point of ethnic studies is to elevate the voices of un... | Which part of the existing curriculum would you cut to include these new, additional topics?
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Idk depends curriculum to curriculum and what level ethnic studies class is in question.
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So, that’s the key.
Everyone has ideas about more topics we should teach in school.
How taxes work, personal finance, home... | They do.
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Huh my school only really taught Black and Indigenous with some Asian, Latino, and Arab.
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What school?
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UCSD. To be fair they had electives that prioritized Asian and Latino voices more, but I didn't take them as I decided to focus more on courses surrounding engineering and environmental scien... | 176mhap | CMV: Ethnic Studies should include white ethnic minorities. | This includes Irish, Italians, Slavs, Spanish, Portugese, etc. All of these groups are certainly ethnic minorities, have certainly contributed to American society, and have certainly been oppressed.
The point of ethnic studies is to elevate the voices of unheard ethnic minorities. Ignoring these groups as ethnic mino... | RealFee1405 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: People who object to donating their organs after they died should be right at the bottom of the list, when it comes to receiving an organ.
I frequently hear of people who don't want to donate their organs after they died, because of religious reasons or because "it feels creepy". Same goes for donating the organs... | One of the primary tenants of a physician is to do no harm. It doesn’t matter what kind of history, decisions, choices, or general life the patient has experienced/lived. A physician only sees a person in need of healing and they do their best to accomplish that.
Why would we hold organ donarship to a different stand... | The only things we should use to determine eligibility are need and suitability. Allowing for any other factor - particularly those based on 'virtue' - opens up a door we **do not** want to open. The last thing we want is to give doctors the ability to decide who lives or who dies based on the virtues that they decid... | hrshr8 | CMV: People who object to donating their organs after they died should be right at the bottom of the list, when it comes to receiving an organ. | I frequently hear of people who don't want to donate their organs after they died, because of religious reasons or because "it feels creepy". Same goes for donating the organs of close relatives who left no clear orders for this case.
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CMV: All guns sold in the US should be hot pink
Pink is invisible to most game, just like orange.A pink gun would be easier to see for everyone involved.It might deter some people from buying guns.It would be completely legal within all interpretations I can find of the 2nd amendment.
Not picking pink because of the ... | A few points:
- Not all animals are color blind. Turkey comes to mind immediately
- People have concealed carry permits. The desire is to conceal a firearm to where it is not obvious it exists. Pink undermines the ability to 'blend in'
- This makes the item look like a toy. A potentially attractive toy to a child.
... | [deleted]
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>I'm pretty sure these people know of the existence of black spray paint.
That would then be an illegal firearm.
>Requiring that guns remain pink and cannot be painted black by their owner would probably not pass the current US supreme court.
Why?
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>That would then be an illegal firearm... | wpzja3 | CMV: All guns sold in the US should be hot pink | Pink is invisible to most game, just like orange.A pink gun would be easier to see for everyone involved.It might deter some people from buying guns.It would be completely legal within all interpretations I can find of the 2nd amendment.
Not picking pink because of the relationship with feminine traits. It is a bright... | PuckSR | 3 | 3 | [
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Pink is invisible to most game, just like orange.A pink gun would be easier to see for everyone involved.It might deter some people from buying guns.It would be completely legal within all interpretations I can find of the 2nd amendment.
Not picking pink because of the ... | Like any restrictions to rights, you must show that there is a benefit to be gained that is substantially more than the limitation.
Saying "it MIGHT help so why not" with zero indication that it actually will is not even close to being justifiable substantiation for limiting freedom of expression.
Also, would you mak... | >What is wrong with this idea? At the very worst it wouldn't increase gun violence, and at best it might prevent some.
I think a worst case is that it looks like a toy to children. Like a hot pink nerf gun.
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Also, we already have a h... | wpzja3 | CMV: All guns sold in the US should be hot pink | Pink is invisible to most game, just like orange.A pink gun would be easier to see for everyone involved.It might deter some people from buying guns.It would be completely legal within all interpretations I can find of the 2nd amendment.
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Pink is invisible to most game, just like orange.A pink gun would be easier to see for everyone involved.It might deter some people from buying guns.It would be completely legal within all interpretations I can find of the 2nd amendment.
Not picking pink because of the ... | Like any restrictions to rights, you must show that there is a benefit to be gained that is substantially more than the limitation.
Saying "it MIGHT help so why not" with zero indication that it actually will is not even close to being justifiable substantiation for limiting freedom of expression.
Also, would you mak... | What about freedom of expression in the 1st amendment? Wouldn't this violate that in some ways? I am pro gun-control btw
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I don't see how. Your 1A right doesn't override safety requirements.
I dont even see how you would argue that the color of a gun is a "free expression" argument. We regulate all kinds of t... | wpzja3 | CMV: All guns sold in the US should be hot pink | Pink is invisible to most game, just like orange.A pink gun would be easier to see for everyone involved.It might deter some people from buying guns.It would be completely legal within all interpretations I can find of the 2nd amendment.
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CMV: All guns sold in the US should be hot pink
Pink is invisible to most game, just like orange.A pink gun would be easier to see for everyone involved.It might deter some people from buying guns.It would be completely legal within all interpretations I can find of the 2nd amendment.
Not picking pink because of the ... | When you're carrying for self-defense you do *not* want your gun to be visible, hence concealed carry permits. Bright pink would make that harder.
I see where you're coming from with hunting, but that's only one practical application.
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That would then be an illegal firearm.
>Requiring that guns remain pink and cannot be painted black by their owner would probably not pass the current US supreme court.
Why?
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>That would then be an illegal firearm... | wpzja3 | CMV: All guns sold in the US should be hot pink | Pink is invisible to most game, just like orange.A pink gun would be easier to see for everyone involved.It might deter some people from buying guns.It would be completely legal within all interpretations I can find of the 2nd amendment.
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CMV: Tipping is mostly good for the service industry
I posted a few days ago on a different sub about my views on tipping and received the response I expected. But I really would like to understand why so many people disagree. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe you guys can set me right.
**I believe tipping is good.** Most impor... | One of the bad things about tipping is it's difficult for people from different cultures to understand.
I live in a country where tipping is not a standard practice. You open your menu, and the price you see is the price you pay. Simple, clear, understandable. If you want to tip then I guess you're free to, but it's n... | Your argument applies to almost every sector of the service industry, not just restaurants. Do you think everyone who works in service should be tipped? And are you comfortable with so much of the cost of labor being footed by consumers?
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I previously said “Generally, I think you should tip when a job can be done ... | ak2vok | CMV: Tipping is mostly good for the service industry | I posted a few days ago on a different sub about my views on tipping and received the response I expected. But I really would like to understand why so many people disagree. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe you guys can set me right.
**I believe tipping is good.** Most importantly, I believe that I will be paying the same price... | BenedictCumberdoots | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Free speech should not be seen as a partisan issue
I recently came across [this article](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/27/the-anti-woke-warriors-used-to-defend-free-speech-now-they-make-mccarthyism-look-progressive) about the children's entertainer Miss Rachel. For those of you who don't kn... | >Calling for actual immediate physical harm -
But what some people have called "stochastic terrorism" - stuff that doesn't technically call for harm but you know has a decent chance of inspiring murder - that's cool?
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You'll have to be more specific. Can you give me an example?
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I think the tide pod challen... | I think the standard situation in this case is Nazis - do you think they should be allowed to speak freely to people that want to hear them? Or do you think that it’s harmful enough people should tell them to shut the hell up?
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I know it would not take long for someone to bring up the Nazis.
But, if we look at t... | 1kym85b | CMV: Free speech should not be seen as a partisan issue | I recently came across [this article](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/27/the-anti-woke-warriors-used-to-defend-free-speech-now-they-make-mccarthyism-look-progressive) about the children's entertainer Miss Rachel. For those of you who don't know who Miss Rachel is, she's a YouTuber who sings sacchari... | bluepillarmy | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Successful people from humble backgrounds have had to work harder, and so deserve more respect than those with well-off families.
In my view, people who were born into well-off families, and who subsequently become successful, for whatever reason, don't deserve the same amount of respect as successful people who ... | You’re right people from humble backgrounds have most likely seen more hardship and worked harder. But why does where you’ve come from decide how much respect are given?
What if successful person from a humble background has children, maybe their hard working attitude rubs off on the kids and they achieve success too... | It’s clear that you value hardship and that you believe that hardship can only be know through direct experience, but I don’t fully understand the direct connection you are making with hardship and respect. Are you saying that the most respected successful people should also be those who’ve endured the most hardship? S... | ak0nwr | CMV: Successful people from humble backgrounds have had to work harder, and so deserve more respect than those with well-off families. | In my view, people who were born into well-off families, and who subsequently become successful, for whatever reason, don't deserve the same amount of respect as successful people who come from more humble backgrounds. It's always struck me that most of the time, that former type of person has never really known, and l... | WardenAckerman | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Successful people from humble backgrounds have had to work harder, and so deserve more respect than those with well-off families.
In my view, people who were born into well-off families, and who subsequently become successful, for whatever reason, don't deserve the same amount of respect as successful people who ... | It’s clear that you value hardship and that you believe that hardship can only be know through direct experience, but I don’t fully understand the direct connection you are making with hardship and respect. Are you saying that the most respected successful people should also be those who’ve endured the most hardship? S... | no they simply deserve proportional respect, money does less to help a company succeed then you think, money can keep it afloat and can increase the amount of ads, but it can't inherently make the product better, throwing more money at it only makes it harder to break even.
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CMV: Only one side of the women's rights debate is willing to compromise
I've written dozens of posts on CMV and elsewhere about women and trans rights, most of it not very well received, but I've had a thought I'd like challenged.
It's my belief that pro-women activists are absolute in their convictions, women's rig... | I think baked into your view is the idea that cis women's rights and trans women's rights are somehow at odds.
But its seems to me that would be exceptionally rare. If I want to create a women only space (e.g. the WNBA) or if i want to provide a service to a small group of people (e.g. helping battered women, but not... | It's not that they don't compromise. It's that they can't. They fundamentally disagree that a space including trans people would still be a place for women as it would include biological men. There IS NOT a compromise. The difference is fundamental. Any compromise would be virtually complete capitulation. I think you ... | wptvwv | CMV: Only one side of the women's rights debate is willing to compromise | I've written dozens of posts on CMV and elsewhere about women and trans rights, most of it not very well received, but I've had a thought I'd like challenged.
It's my belief that pro-women activists are absolute in their convictions, women's rights cannot be compromised on and that the plight of the trans community is... | Subtleiaint | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Bullfighting (the kind where the animal gets tortured and killed for entertainment) should be banned internationally.
I'm not vegan. I do believe that it's the most natural thing in the world for shit to die so that other shit gets to consume it. But there is no good reason to prolong the suffering of an animal b... | Well it could be argued that that sport is not about the animal or about the people but rather the tradition. Whether we like it or not humanity is cruel and we are sadistic when we perceive ourselves in a position of power. Other animals do too, cats play with mice or birds before finally killing them for instance.
... | I will attack this by saying that tradition can be very important to any society.
for example there is a tradition in a certain island nation where young men are ritually tattooed with bone instruments. It's painful, it's been the cause of some hospitalizations and it's pointlessly outdated the tools they use to do it... | dhjxtm | CMV: Bullfighting (the kind where the animal gets tortured and killed for entertainment) should be banned internationally. | I'm not vegan. I do believe that it's the most natural thing in the world for shit to die so that other shit gets to consume it. But there is no good reason to prolong the suffering of an animal by torturing it prior to death, and it seems especially fucked up when they're doing it for entertainment.
If you're thinki... | World_Spank_Bank | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: "no bad dogs only bad owners" is not a true statement
I used to believe this wholeheartedly. Bully breeds aren't dangerous if a good owner has them from a puppy.
Then I started owning dogs and I realized how much their personality has nothing to do with their owner and everything to do with their breed. I had a... | The whole idea of good and bad has to do with human society. Dogs don't have morals. They are what they are. It's up to the owners to fit them into society, and they can do that well or poorly. If a dog can't be trained, that's not their failure as a dog. The human has to recognize the issue and deal with it, somehow.
... | This does not change the fact that the owners are the problem, which is what the statement means.
A good owner with a problematic dog takes steps to prevent it from being a problem. They will get training for the dog, first, but if that does nothing, they take further steps. Some dogs need to be muzzled, some cannot b... | 1kydkg4 | CMV: "no bad dogs only bad owners" is not a true statement | I used to believe this wholeheartedly. Bully breeds aren't dangerous if a good owner has them from a puppy.
Then I started owning dogs and I realized how much their personality has nothing to do with their owner and everything to do with their breed. I had a golden retriever who had aggression issues with other dogs.... | Laniekea | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: capitalism would be awesome if inheritance tax was 100% after a certain cap
So, I’m not one of those types that worships capitalism or the free market. I think overall capitalism is better than other alternatives because it “runs with the grain” of human nature instead of against it like socialism, and if provide... | You don't think capitalism could still be horrible without inheritance?
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Nope! I think it would be a great system! People are entitled to the value that they create as long as they don’t harm other people in obtaining that value. Regulations and other forms of taxation are still needed, social safety net and gener... | I mean, if you could enforce it.
Wouldn't this just incentivize further tax evasion?
In my death - my son and I forsake our American passports and consider ourselves permanent citizens of Dubai (or where-ever).
In a world with a stronger UN, or World Government - maybe you could get something like this to work - b... | 8vml35 | CMV: capitalism would be awesome if inheritance tax was 100% after a certain cap | So, I’m not one of those types that worships capitalism or the free market. I think overall capitalism is better than other alternatives because it “runs with the grain” of human nature instead of against it like socialism, and if provides people with a sense of freedom and self determination that has solved more of th... | burrito-supreme- | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Parenthood should require licensure and regulation.
I think that one of the fastest ways someone might destroy their own life (and those of others) is to have a child that they aren't ready, able, and willing to raise.
Parenthood sometimes becomes a burden of people who are too young to handle it, or of those w... | Ok, but how do you handle people who get pregnant without being licensed?
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I'm thinking there would need to be some kind of biological contraception that you would need the license to override. IE, it wouldn't be possible unless you were approved.
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It's too easy to find a shady doctor to undo the vasectomy. Solution: when a baby girl is born the government agency would take all her ovaries and keep them safe in a government facility. If the girl grows up to be responsible and qualified to reproduce then she can apply to have one ovary back and all... | 8d47vl | CMV: Parenthood should require licensure and regulation. | I think that one of the fastest ways someone might destroy their own life (and those of others) is to have a child that they aren't ready, able, and willing to raise.
Parenthood sometimes becomes a burden of people who are too young to handle it, or of those who lack the emotional stability and sense of responsibilit... | Rathwood | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Parenthood should require licensure and regulation.
I think that one of the fastest ways someone might destroy their own life (and those of others) is to have a child that they aren't ready, able, and willing to raise.
Parenthood sometimes becomes a burden of people who are too young to handle it, or of those w... | While I'd like to agree with your argument, I feel that it falls apart when put into a practical situation.
Even if there was a way to control who can and cannot have children it would require a huge amount of resources and if that's the case I feel that a much better solution would be dedicating more time and funds... | [removed]
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CMV: The concept of hypocrisy is vague enough that it becomes a generic insult
It is unclear what the term "hypocrisy" means sufficient that when used it provides no useful information aside from being a generic insult. There are several possible meanings that will be listed below:
* Not being able to live up to genu... | The definition of hypocrisy is quite clear, "the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform." However, people use it incorrectly sometimes. Such as:
> changing one's mind on an issue and not being clear enough about it
This seems to happen a lot in politics.
... | My first CMV was about how I'm perplexed by the concept of hypocrisy, so I relate. However, I'm not sure you're talking about hypocrisy the concept; you're talking about hypocrisy the insult. Accusing someone of being a hypocrite as a gotcha is just a way to use rhetoric to make yourself feel better... it's not well-... | 6odlic | CMV: The concept of hypocrisy is vague enough that it becomes a generic insult | It is unclear what the term "hypocrisy" means sufficient that when used it provides no useful information aside from being a generic insult. There are several possible meanings that will be listed below:
* Not being able to live up to genuinely high standards of personal behavior, there is no reason why this is bad an... | ThetaVega | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Transgendered people still should be considered as having a psychological disorder.
**[Edit: I need to make a revision here (made Jan 21 @ 10:35pmEST). I'd like to change the term "psychological disorder" into the term I truly meant now that I've been taught the true definition of a disorder in physhological term... | If the problem is resolved through a surgical procedure to the body can you really claim that it is psychological disorder? The very fact that resolution is achieved in the physical seems ample evidence that your position is wrong.
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I don't think allowing someone with what is described as a psychological disorder... | It's still called gender dysphoria.
Being transgender comes with gender dysphoria but they aren't the same thing. Gender dysphoria specifically refers to the distress, the anxiety/depression/etc. that comes along with being transgender.
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That's odd, I'm getting diff... | 5pbu8n | CMV: Transgendered people still should be considered as having a psychological disorder. | **[Edit: I need to make a revision here (made Jan 21 @ 10:35pmEST). I'd like to change the term "psychological disorder" into the term I truly meant now that I've been taught the true definition of a disorder in physhological terms: mental illness. Mental illness is defined as:** *"...a wide range of mental health cond... | hippz | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: You don’t have free speech in the UK.
Rather than trying to prove this theoretically I’ll list some examples.
Count dankula, Darren Brady, Daryl Barke, Kyle Little (overturned but still fined for ‘barking at a police dog and saying woof to the police’) Shawn holes, the list continues. The amount of people convict... | [removed]
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Seeing as both cases involve potential violence/serious injury, I think they should be put in a different category. Do you disagree?
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I don't disagree - so you agree with me that no country has truly free speech, it just depends on where the line is drawn.
So how do you expect your view to be cha... | Why single out the UK as not having free speech?
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Because I heard about the Darren Brady case this morning and when looking into it, found a large amount of cases similar. And because the UK is supposedly a very free society. I get that this is true for most people, but If it isn’t true for everyone then eventuall... | wpvwa3 | CMV: You don’t have free speech in the UK. | Rather than trying to prove this theoretically I’ll list some examples.
Count dankula, Darren Brady, Daryl Barke, Kyle Little (overturned but still fined for ‘barking at a police dog and saying woof to the police’) Shawn holes, the list continues. The amount of people convicted and/or fined for speech in the UK is ridi... | LEMO2000 | 5 | 5 | [
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Cmv: I suspect our consciousness is dying rapidly with the passage of energy through our systems
I don't think a lot of evidence can be brought up to prove or disprove this, but I figured I'd pick your brains and see what you think about it. Our consciousness seems to require two things: A neuronal network with neurot... | I think I understand what you're trying to say to some extent, but I might have misinterpreted it.
My argument against this is that the energy needed to power our brains can be supplied just as rapidly as it is exhausted, meaning our consciousness stays consistent.
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So that explains that a stream of consciousnes... | Consider an internal combustion engine.
Inside the engine are pistons, during operation these pistons go through the Otto cycle, where fuel and air are injected, combusted, and exhausted out the piston chamber. This cycle creates bursts of motion that is used to spin a shaft.
This is sort of like your model of consci... | o5h056 | Cmv: I suspect our consciousness is dying rapidly with the passage of energy through our systems | I don't think a lot of evidence can be brought up to prove or disprove this, but I figured I'd pick your brains and see what you think about it. Our consciousness seems to require two things: A neuronal network with neurotransmitters and energy to pass through it. The neuronal network stays mostly in tact throughout ou... | condor1670 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: People need to stop being so critical of people eating dog meat if they eat McNuggets themselves and have some respect for other countries' traditions.
Let me preface this by saying that I eat meat but I have personally never eaten dog meat and I don't think I ever will. I also have an adorable golden retriever t... | I agree with most of what you said, however do you believe that dogs share a connection with humans more than pigs or chickens do? I think that's what sets it apart from other animals for many people.
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I do believe it when people say they have a connection with their dog, I have a connection with my own dog! But I... | > dogs are just animals like pigs and cows and chickens. I believe there is a scientific study saying pics are more intelligent than dogs. If we eat bacon fine, we shouldn't be standing on any moral high ground lecturing dog eaters. Just because you and I choose to have dogs as our pet, doesn't make them more special.... | hrrkcz | CMV: People need to stop being so critical of people eating dog meat if they eat McNuggets themselves and have some respect for other countries' traditions. | Let me preface this by saying that I eat meat but I have personally never eaten dog meat and I don't think I ever will. I also have an adorable golden retriever that I love with all my life. But here's my argument for leaving the dog eaters alone if you eat meat yourself too.
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CMV: The more US-China conflict, short of conventional war, the better.
I guess I should start this post with some qualifications. I am a political science PhD student with a specialization in Autocratic systems, Identitarian movements, and both largely within the context of sub-Saharan Africa. However, my non-academi... | >Americans have a responsibility to advocate democratic norms and counter autocratic norms.
That's just like, your opinion, man.
It's debateable whether Americans have the right, let alone the *resposibility*, to meddle in the affairs of foreign governments in order to destabilize them. The hope that democracy will s... | What about the effects on the over 1 billion Chinese? Should we pursue tariffs and other economic actions that might put millions of Chinese people in poverty? Moreover in today's age of globalization a Chinese economic collapse would have widespread international implications as well.
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Well you also have to consi... | dhbpug | CMV: The more US-China conflict, short of conventional war, the better. | I guess I should start this post with some qualifications. I am a political science PhD student with a specialization in Autocratic systems, Identitarian movements, and both largely within the context of sub-Saharan Africa. However, my non-academic research interest has always been Chinese politics. I have also been sa... | Long_Drive | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The N-Word is only powerful because people allow it to have such a high influence.
The N-Word I'm going to be discussing is the word "nigger". I'm going to be typing it as "the n-word" while I discuss my topic, but I wanted to say it right now to avoid any confusion. I apologize for any offense I may cause. I don... | > During this time was when the n-word was popularized as a racial slur. Usually when people said it back then, they would follow it with something like "Stupid N", or "filthy N". That is a clear sign of hatred and obvious hostility. Now, in today's world, hardly anyone uses the slur like that anymore.
What's your ev... | I sense that your problem isn't with the n-word, but with racial politics in America more broadly. You write that "African Americans aren't oppressed at all" - that's drastically wrong, and I think you know that most people would disagree with you. A few examples of how oppression still works against African Americans:... | bi2g6u | CMV: The N-Word is only powerful because people allow it to have such a high influence. | The N-Word I'm going to be discussing is the word "nigger". I'm going to be typing it as "the n-word" while I discuss my topic, but I wanted to say it right now to avoid any confusion. I apologize for any offense I may cause. I don't believe in any racial biases and I certainly don't believe any race is superior to any... | Moobak_ | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV:Tyrion Lannister is doomed in Martin's Planetos.
I don't care what the dumb TV show says. Tyrion killed his father and kinslaying is the oldest and deepest offense to Planetos right up there with violating guest right.
And no, Tyrion is not someone else's kid. He bears far too much resemblance to Tywin in his me... | By the end of the first book, it should be clear that there's no guarantee that the good survive or that the wicked are punished.
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But accursed doesn't even mean death - look at the story of the Rat Cook. He was transformed by the gods for breaking guest ri... | This implies that Martin is trying to write a morality tale, where the bad people get punished for their actions. That is not the case at all. Lots of bad characters have been handsomely rewarded for their bad acts in that storyline. I see no reason why Tyrion's bad acts would doom him.
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But not all bad acts ar... | 6og48g | CMV:Tyrion Lannister is doomed in Martin's Planetos. |
I don't care what the dumb TV show says. Tyrion killed his father and kinslaying is the oldest and deepest offense to Planetos right up there with violating guest right.
And no, Tyrion is not someone else's kid. He bears far too much resemblance to Tywin in his methods and thought processes for that. Tyrion himself s... | ThinkerPlus | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV Bring born in America doesn't make you more deserving of help/benefits than anyone else.
I'm a white, male American and all too often, I hear people say something to the effect of, "Why are we helping them when we have our own problems right here in America?" I absolutely couldn't disagree more. Sure there are fol... | It’s not about nationalism or saying that American born people deserve more. It’s about the fact that America doesn’t have unlimited money and resources so people (myself included) feel that while problems exist in America, the American government should spend the money on solving their people’s problems rather than ot... | If this doesn't change your view then nothing will.
America does not have unlimited resources and is already in massive debt. So lets say you have a home with food and whatnot that can barely sustain you and 2 people come to your door broke and hungry and expecting a free ride and you can only afford to let one of the... | 9zy50z | CMV Bring born in America doesn't make you more deserving of help/benefits than anyone else. | I'm a white, male American and all too often, I hear people say something to the effect of, "Why are we helping them when we have our own problems right here in America?" I absolutely couldn't disagree more. Sure there are folks in bad situations in America, but there are a whole lot more people in much worse situation... | HallucinAtheist | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: Porn is Healthy
I know what a lot of you are probably disagreeing with me. Probably thinking it’s harmful. Yet their are several things you need to know about my mentality before we go into this.
1: I don’t consider porn real I understand that a lot of it is shot at angles that took hours to get just right and ... | Like so many other things, if you are a responsible and informed consumer of pornography, then I don't think its consumption is inherently unhealthy. In certain circumstances, however, pornography can have some very unfortunate effects. In this post I mostly want to focus on the effect that pornography can have on youn... | So first, porn is addicting. Addictions aren't inherently bad and people can consume addicting substances without building an addiction, but that doesn't mean they are good.
There is an epidemic(if you want to call it that) of young men having erectile dysfunction problems at rates that no other generation has seen, ... | dhg07z | CMV: Porn is Healthy | I know what a lot of you are probably disagreeing with me. Probably thinking it’s harmful. Yet their are several things you need to know about my mentality before we go into this.
1: I don’t consider porn real I understand that a lot of it is shot at angles that took hours to get just right and to have that type of e... | GalaxyEdgez | 2 | 2 | [
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CMV: deplatforming Trump and his supporters may be beneficial in short term, but in long term it has no good for public.
Hello! first,excuse me for my bad English its not my first language.
I’m completely for and in support of banning Trump because his actions and tweets incited violence. However, lets for one secon... | I think your issue here is assuming that companies have to follow precedent. Is something like what happened to Trump happening to someone who doesn’t deserve it in the future a valid concern? Absolutely! But that would be a concern even if Trump *hadn’t* been banned, because companies don’t have to abide by precedent ... | Should outside terror organizations be able to use social media to openly incite and coordinate terror attacks?
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It depends. Who is naming them as “terrorist organization” ?
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I’m completely for and in support of banning Trump because his actions and tweets incited violence. However, lets for one second imagine what he said is true and a hidden power was trying to overthrow the US election by conspiring with Courts, Congr... | amirsadeghi | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The first people who will go to Mars will go insane
The group that goes first to establish a base colony probably will not be big. They will have to work all day in a hostile enviroment with the same people everyday.
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Most importantly, over time they will realise what they left behind on Earth and that... | >they will not return
I don't believe that to be the case. When we landed on the moon, a big part of the technology was getting them back off the surface to the command module safely so they could return to Earth. Any lander that would bring new people to the colony (along with supplies, equipment, etc.) would most ... | This is actually a very relevant concern that NASA has spent a lot of effort into studying. NASA has run a number of isolation experiments where they isolate people from the rest of the world and put them into a confined space alone and in groups and have psychologists study the results. They have done these experime... | ajtqmf | CMV: The first people who will go to Mars will go insane | The group that goes first to establish a base colony probably will not be big. They will have to work all day in a hostile enviroment with the same people everyday.
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Most importantly, over time they will realise what they left behind on Earth and that they will not return. They exchanged their life on their ... | finitewaves | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Video games don't need to increase prices developers need to have better fiscal management
Okay so there's been a push recently to increase the price of video games citing ballooning development budgets and inflation. However it's of my opinion that those ballooning development costs are completely self-inflicted... | > yet another increase in costs
I'd say they are not increasing the cost at all, but bringing the cost into line with where it should be based on inflation.
[Here is a receipt for Super Mario 3 from 1990.](https://www.reddit.com/r/retrogaming/comments/vyirrj/my_receipt_for_super_mario_bros_3_from_1990/) The game cos... | The claim that video games need to increase prices is about AAA games. Comparing to games that aren't AAA is not really productive: obviously it's always been possible to make games more cheaply outside the AAA model.
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Yes (for the former) and n... | 1kyaxc5 | CMV: Video games don't need to increase prices developers need to have better fiscal management | Okay so there's been a push recently to increase the price of video games citing ballooning development budgets and inflation. However it's of my opinion that those ballooning development costs are completely self-inflicted and development is actually cheaper than it used to be considering the advancements in developme... | FuturelessSociety | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: There are only five sexualities
I often talk with people from a education standpoint about sexualities and get a lot of questions about the numerous kinds. I would just like to verify that I'm not being uniclusive when I say this, so i invite you to change my view
I define the term sexuality based on the attract... | This just ends up being arbitrary. I could also say:
1. there are only two sexualities. attraction to people and no attraction.
2. there are only 3 sexualities: attraction to people without hair, people with hair and people with no attraction.
3. there are only 5 sexualities. people attracted to rocks, people w... | bisexuality just means attraction to the same sex and also different sexes, this is a common misconception that is often repeated in media.
Really the problem with this kind of thinking is that, like all human experience, sexual attraction exists on a spectrum and neat categories like this tend to miss the actual pic... | o5qwm8 | CMV: There are only five sexualities | I often talk with people from a education standpoint about sexualities and get a lot of questions about the numerous kinds. I would just like to verify that I'm not being uniclusive when I say this, so i invite you to change my view
I define the term sexuality based on the attraction of sex to sex.
Homosexuality - at... | yayathedog | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: It should be legal for homeless people to sleep in their cars or in public places as long as they aren't bothering anyone.
It's illegal in most places in my state at least for people to sleep in their cars or in public parks etc. A homeless person I know very well told me many stories about basically being shuffl... | When it's legal that prevents the law from dealing with the situations it creates with a high potential for giving rise to problems that are unfeasible to deal with as scattered individual events.
Perhaps they aren't harming anything yet, but neither can police be present to enforce crimes that result from allowing p... | Can you think of any problems that may arise if we used this rule?
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Sure, if there's a lot of homeless people sleeping outside property value in certain neighborhoods might be reduced, but they're already there, and it's immoral to punish them for existing in the wrong place.
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What do you think we should do ... | 9zx07n | CMV: It should be legal for homeless people to sleep in their cars or in public places as long as they aren't bothering anyone. | It's illegal in most places in my state at least for people to sleep in their cars or in public parks etc. A homeless person I know very well told me many stories about basically being shuffled around by cops for parking his car in a neighborhood and sleeping in it. No interaction with any of the people there or anythi... | DrMicolash | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Most of Apple's customers buy Apple products because they're uninformed.
The other day, I heard someone say something to the effect of "Android users are so stupid; don't they know that the iPhone 6 is better than the latest Galaxy phone?" This surprised me, because anyone who understands a spec-sheet knows that ... | [deleted]
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I've heard the "It can't be described by a spec-sheet" argument a lot. But does Apple really do much better than the competition in terms of usability?
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Yes. I have used both and IOS is the better operating system. Its quick, looks nice and easy to use. | [deleted]
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As I explained in my post, someone claimed that the iPhone 6 was better than the 'Latest Galaxy phone'. I was using the graph as proof that they're wrong.
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CMV: It is perfectly acceptable for the government to tax pro-lifers extra, in service of social programs for "forced birth mothers"
This study by the Guttmacher institute highlights a number of reasons why women choose to get abortions
https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-qua... | Most pro-lifers are religious. The idea that the government could tax people for a religious belief would likely violate the freedom of religion, since it would put a financial pressure on those practicing a religion. And each state would have to adopt the tax law, since the federal govt likely can’t mandate how a stat... | How would that play out across the board? Tax people more because they are fat, criminal otherwise use up resources? Should we tax pro-welfare people more?
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I'm not saying it needs to play out across the board... I'm saying that there is a certain subset of people who have expressed that they are OK with rights be... | uobwh9 | CMV: It is perfectly acceptable for the government to tax pro-lifers extra, in service of social programs for "forced birth mothers" | This study by the Guttmacher institute highlights a number of reasons why women choose to get abortions
https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives
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CMV: All advertising regarding gambling, alcohol and tobacco should be completely banned.
I'm not against selling or consuming alcohol and tobacco. I'm not against gambling. This can be fun and rewarding to some extent. But I'm against the advertisement taking advantage of the people who are too weak to resist the urg... | So first I empathize with your POV about how disingenuous it is for advertisers to market to people who have an addiction. However, the reason that I would be wary of banning advertisements is because of the precedent it would set for the rest of society.
1. It would send a clear message to advertisers that if we do ... | You make a distinction between things tobacco and sugar, but I’d question the distinction between gambling and video games—specifically mobile games.
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CMV: If People Actually Supported the Palestinian Cause, They Would Not Support Hamas' Actions
Basically what the title says, but i will elaborate. On the current-events level, the fact that people are currently celebrating and chanting free Palestine in the streets is ridiculous, and also barbarous given that their r... | rather than showing hate to palastainins show hate to the oppressor who took their lands and is killing people in a daily bases but the News is not covering that , it just shows you the fight back of hamas as its the intiative move .
also, those innocent isreal civilians are making every time and time pushes to tak... | >The people are not suffering for lack of global effort, they are suffering in a cage because their own leaders have turned Gaza, which is an independent recognized piece of land belonging to the Palestinians, into a nightmare.
Palestinians are suffering in a cage because they have been put into a cage. Hamas did not... | 1758u0p | CMV: If People Actually Supported the Palestinian Cause, They Would Not Support Hamas' Actions | Basically what the title says, but i will elaborate. On the current-events level, the fact that people are currently celebrating and chanting free Palestine in the streets is ridiculous, and also barbarous given that their response to a thousand murdered civilians was to celebrate some notion of "revolution". To me, th... | reusableteacup | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV:I don't think Trump is a sexist, I just think he's an asshole.
Hi -
There are lots of women's marches going today, and my partner talked about joining one due to Trump's sexism, and I just fail to see 'sexism'.
Certainly, he's been a dick to some women - but most things I can find are him being a dick to *indivi... | If you look at this list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexism#Objectification
Trump satifies at least three:
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I'm not sure how to reply to this, as you haven't actually made an argument.
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Those are all Trump quotes | 5paid6 | CMV:I don't think Trump is a sexist, I just think he's an asshole. | Hi -
There are lots of women's marches going today, and my partner talked about joining one due to Trump's sexism, and I just fail to see 'sexism'.
Certainly, he's been a dick to some women - but most things I can find are him being a dick to *individual* women, in very similar cases where he has been a dick to *indi... | Ghesthar | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: People accuse republicans for fascist and Nazi ideas using Guilt by Association.
I'm not saying they aren't incorrect on many things, just that people accuse them in an exaggerated, fallacious manner.
So their argument goes like this:
"Do you believe in this? Some Nazis also believe in it, so you must be a Nazi... | With very very very few exceptions, you won’t find *anyone* today whose views map perfectly onto the Nazi’s political positions. Even Neo-Nazis. They probably won’t believe that Germany needs to annex Poland for lebensraum. They probably won’t believe in nationalizing factories to aid the war effort. They won’t believe... | "You believe in a couple of authoritarian ideas, Nazis also believe in the same ideas, so you must be a fascist."
How many authoritarian ideals would you say a person must believe in before it is reasonable to say they are an authoritarian?
"Hey, why do evil people believe in your ideas? If they do your ideas must be... | o5qeas | CMV: People accuse republicans for fascist and Nazi ideas using Guilt by Association. | I'm not saying they aren't incorrect on many things, just that people accuse them in an exaggerated, fallacious manner.
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CMV: CEOs are not special talents that deserve tens of millions
I was reading another thread that made some pretty good points about a CEOs value, but they only barely seem to hold up due to circumstance, and I hope there's more to it.
People wrote that top CEOs are tireless workers, who dedicate their entire life to... | The system of capitalism simply pays people what they are worth, economically. That is what it does best. People who make more money do so because they contribute more to the company. You think shareholders would hire someone that loses them money? They fire people like that all the time. Someone who earns 100m and mak... | CEOs aren't paid for their innate talent, they're paid for their results. For example, a poor person has to juggle relationships, but for the company, that doesn't matter because none of those relationships will help the company make billions of dollars. On the other hand, the CEO has already formed several working rel... | 176cb77 | CMV: CEOs are not special talents that deserve tens of millions | I was reading another thread that made some pretty good points about a CEOs value, but they only barely seem to hold up due to circumstance, and I hope there's more to it.
People wrote that top CEOs are tireless workers, who dedicate their entire life to the success of an entity. That may be true, but tons of regular ... | bohrmachine | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Serious criminals sentence should include work in order to pay compensation to victims/families
The criminal justice system in the west seems to be all about what is best for the state, removing people from the streets who are deemed as a risk to society until they are deemed rehabilitated or have served a whatev... | Honestly the biggest issue here is that if the person who committed the crime didn't have any assets at the time of arrest to pay a fine associated with the sentence, the marginal value of their labor is going to be very low.
There are prison work programs in some southern states (former Confederate ones, with mostly ... | Being sentenced to work at unskilled labor isn't likely to be an effective way to make money. If the prisoner is being forced to labor reluctantly the best one can do is minimal value work like a chain gang where enforcement (keeping them working) eats up a huge amount of the minimal economic value generated.
The c... | 8d1jl0 | CMV: Serious criminals sentence should include work in order to pay compensation to victims/families | The criminal justice system in the west seems to be all about what is best for the state, removing people from the streets who are deemed as a risk to society until they are deemed rehabilitated or have served a whatever time was chosen as an appropriate punishment. The focus should include the impact on victims and/or... | infinitepaths | 11 | 5 | [
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CMV: Learning Mandarin should definitely not be compulsory in schools
Here in Australia, from time to time, the idea is brought up that Mandarin should be compulsory in Australian schools. In fact, some schools are already teaching it to their students. However I disagree with the idea that it should be compulsory bec... | > However I disagree with the idea that it should be compulsory because I believe that for some if not most students, it will simply have no benefit to them.
Many school subjects will ultimately have no benefit to most people. You'll most probably never have to use logarithms or differential equations in your life. Yo... | I think Mandarin in specific is short-sighted. While China is up and coming in the world, there is plenty reason to believe China has been blowing smoke up its own ass to inflate its economy, and a lot of its economic activity is smoke and mirrors. A Chinese crash could very well come soon, and it could be devastating.... | 6nsyeh | CMV: Learning Mandarin should definitely not be compulsory in schools | Here in Australia, from time to time, the idea is brought up that Mandarin should be compulsory in Australian schools. In fact, some schools are already teaching it to their students. However I disagree with the idea that it should be compulsory because I believe that for some if not most students, it will simply have ... | antilisterine | 5 | 5 | [
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Here in Australia, from time to time, the idea is brought up that Mandarin should be compulsory in Australian schools. In fact, some schools are already teaching it to their students. However I disagree with the idea that it should be compulsory bec... | > However I disagree with the idea that it should be compulsory because I believe that for some if not most students, it will simply have no benefit to them.
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Here in Australia, from time to time, the idea is brought up that Mandarin should be compulsory in Australian schools. In fact, some schools are already teaching it to their students. However I disagree with the idea that it should be compulsory bec... | > However I disagree with the idea that it should be compulsory because I believe that for some if not most students, it will simply have no benefit to them.
Many school subjects will ultimately have no benefit to most people. You'll most probably never have to use logarithms or differential equations in your life. Yo... | These subjects although may seem useless, but the point is that you become more enriched as a student. For people in the US who will frequently spend maybe 25 years studying, early on learning another language puts you ahead of the students who begin learning a language freshman year of high school.
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Here in Australia, from time to time, the idea is brought up that Mandarin should be compulsory in Australian schools. In fact, some schools are already teaching it to their students. However I disagree with the idea that it should be compulsory bec... | I think Mandarin in specific is short-sighted. While China is up and coming in the world, there is plenty reason to believe China has been blowing smoke up its own ass to inflate its economy, and a lot of its economic activity is smoke and mirrors. A Chinese crash could very well come soon, and it could be devastating.... | Every Australian high school is required to offer one secondary language course for a mandatory one year and the option to continue with further studies.
My school only offered Japanese. The next school only offered Italian. My teacher knew basic Japanese and we mainly worked off text books. They didn't have resources... | 6nsyeh | CMV: Learning Mandarin should definitely not be compulsory in schools | Here in Australia, from time to time, the idea is brought up that Mandarin should be compulsory in Australian schools. In fact, some schools are already teaching it to their students. However I disagree with the idea that it should be compulsory because I believe that for some if not most students, it will simply have ... | antilisterine | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Pushing the notion of the patriarchy is silly and we should stop
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that women are not disadvantaged in society in any ways or face discrimination... they are and they do! But in the words of Bill Burr, "*Everybodys eating a shit sandwhich... some people got more or less sh... | So women are disadvantaged in society, but it's wrong to acknowledge them because men also have problems and because we should lie to little girls so they get blindsided by the issues they'll face.
For the first part: despite its constant use as some grand counter to the idea of patriarchy, men suffering does not some... | [removed]
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I don’t know where it originated. I’ve heard it before and it seems to express the notion that I’m trying to convey here.
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yeah, I'm [taking a look](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppression_Olympics). It seems to be an internet phrase, i.e. something that someone, somewhere, first coined online an... | wp1w00 | CMV: Pushing the notion of the patriarchy is silly and we should stop | Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that women are not disadvantaged in society in any ways or face discrimination... they are and they do! But in the words of Bill Burr, "*Everybodys eating a shit sandwhich... some people got more or less shit, but everybodys eating one*"
I don't like this notion of "*the Patr... | conn_r2112 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: 35lb plates are useless
I've seen and participated in a few stressful CMVs, and I'd like to add some levity to this sub and argue over some shit that isn't serious but is just as contentious. My claim is that 35lb plates in the gym are completely useless and a waste of money. My reasons are as followed:
1. 10lb ... | 35lb plates are awesome for weighted calisthenics where you are hard limited by the number of plates that is comfortable to fit between your legs. Provides much easier progressive loading when you get over one or two plates.
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You know what? I'm not going to argue with a guy that can do a 170lb weighted pull up. Yo... | >Yup, you only squatted 115. You turn to see the whole gym laughing at you. This is the soul crushing reality of 35s.
Umm, no one cares that much about what you do
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Trust me, when I'm screaming at the top of my lungs to over compensate, everyone cares.
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About the screaming, not the plates | 1kxxy3g | CMV: 35lb plates are useless | I've seen and participated in a few stressful CMVs, and I'd like to add some levity to this sub and argue over some shit that isn't serious but is just as contentious. My claim is that 35lb plates in the gym are completely useless and a waste of money. My reasons are as followed:
1. 10lb plates exist. In a vacuum, sur... | JustACWrath | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: It is hypocritical and absolutely against liberal ethos to cheer banning of apps like Parler. These actions only strengthen the fear of censorship among conservatives.
Here me out : Yes, violence is bad. Yes, there should be a way to stop planning of riots and terrorist activities but banning apps and platforms o... | >For example : Why is Parler being banned? Becauae they dont have policy to moderate content being posted. No one is monitoring content on Whatsapp. Then why is that platform still not taken down by Apple or Google? This is just double standard
There's not double standard. What you're doing is comparing apples and ora... | All of those platforms,including WhatsApp, have the ability to report abuse. I had never even heard of Parler before all of this, but my understanding is that a comparable feature doesn't exist.
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It is not fair to assume things.
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I just checked my WhatsApp. I can report directly from the conversation.
Edit: ... | kueuzx | CMV: It is hypocritical and absolutely against liberal ethos to cheer banning of apps like Parler. These actions only strengthen the fear of censorship among conservatives. | Here me out : Yes, violence is bad. Yes, there should be a way to stop planning of riots and terrorist activities but banning apps and platforms of communication is absplutely against basic Freedom of speech.
Why? One word, Monopoly and lack of proper procedure being followed to remove these apps.
For example : Why i... | strngerstruggle | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The UN Security Council Permanent 5 Shouldn't Have Veto Power
I believe that the United Nations Security Council's system of having 5 permanent members with veto power is ineffective and immoral.
​
First of all, it is basically implies that the world cannot take collective action via the UN without the a... | The USA would leave the UN tomorrow without veto power, we aren’t willing to give up any sort of sovereignty, and neither is Russia or China, and a UN without those countries is pointless.
It’s a compromise to let powerful countries still have influence to coax them to join, otherwise the USA has no reason to join.
... | The power of the UN comes from the fact that any resolution has to have the blessing of those five countries unanimously - every country knows that over half of the world's military power and over 1/3 of its GDP supports the resolution and will back it through sanctions and force. That is the only reason that a UN reso... | ajt7kk | CMV: The UN Security Council Permanent 5 Shouldn't Have Veto Power | I believe that the United Nations Security Council's system of having 5 permanent members with veto power is ineffective and immoral.
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First of all, it is basically implies that the world cannot take collective action via the UN without the approval of these 5 countries:
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CMV: Burning Teslas are Today's Boston Tea Party. It's... Patriotic
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The tea that was destroyed was still own... | So OP you view acts of vandalism and arson as being legitimate political actions and should be seen as acceptable? Is this only if you personally agree with the political agenda of the individuals involved or is it acceptable for individuals of any political viewpoint to engage in such tactics against their real or per... | 1jfmlek | CMV: Burning Teslas are Today's Boston Tea Party. It's... Patriotic | From the National Archives:
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CMV: Getting to know anyone will be productive.
Hey, first post on here. Hope to get some responses. My friends hold very different views than me. Most of these friends make me happy or show me a viewpoint that's different from mine. I won't argue that being friends with everyone is best, you can get hurt. But I belie... | I agree with your premise within your body paragraph that anyone has some sort of wisdom or something you can take away from time spent with that person but I disagree that it's productive once you factor in opportunity costs.
Some people just aren't worth the time investment when there are many other things you could... | What do you define as a "safe enviroment", however?
And are you completely denying the possibility that interacting with someone can have negative consequences? Or just saying that, even if that were the case, something good will also come out of it?
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Safe in the way that they won't end your life. Every other cir... | 8uxvdu | CMV: Getting to know anyone will be productive. | Hey, first post on here. Hope to get some responses. My friends hold very different views than me. Most of these friends make me happy or show me a viewpoint that's different from mine. I won't argue that being friends with everyone is best, you can get hurt. But I believe getting to know someone in a safe environment ... | DoctorBeeble | 3 | 2 | [
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CMV: Activists should abandon the phrase "white privilege" because it alienates white people who didn't grow up wealthy
Blacks are [more than twice as likely to grow up in poverty](https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B"colId":"Location","sort":"asc"%7... | > I understand why a white person who suffered hardship in their life would feel alienated by hearing someone throw around the term "white privilege" - the term asserts there is a privilege in being white.
This is exactly why the term is accurate though. There *is* privileged in being white. Unpacking what exactly th... | are you sure it's used to describe pure wealth disparities? I was under the impression it was used to describe things like the benefit of the doubt that cops and bank loan officers often give whites over blacks, which occur across all tax brackets.
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Blacks are [more than twice as likely to grow up in poverty](https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B"colId":"Location","sort":"asc"%7... | > I understand why a white person who suffered hardship in their life would feel alienated by hearing someone throw around the term "white privilege" - the term asserts there is a privilege in being white.
This is exactly why the term is accurate though. There *is* privileged in being white. Unpacking what exactly th... | But those poor white people still do have advantages that they didn't earn simply based on the color of their skin. Just because someone can't see the benefits of being white doesn't mean that they don't exist.
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What advantages does a white person born into an underfunded foster home, attending a useless and unde... | 8d17se | CMV: Activists should abandon the phrase "white privilege" because it alienates white people who didn't grow up wealthy | Blacks are [more than twice as likely to grow up in poverty](https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B"colId":"Location","sort":"asc"%7D), [disproportionately sentenced for the same crimes](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/11/16/black-men-s... | ShiningConcepts | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The US should not trade Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout for Brittney Griner.
Viktor Bout is a dangerous Russian arms dealer who was convicted of conspiracy to kill U.S. citizens and officials, delivery of anti-aircraft missiles, and providing aid to a terrorist organization. Brittney Griner is an athlete who is o... | I don’t disagree that a weapons dealer is dangerous, but Is this guy still functional as a weapons dealer? He’s been caught and imprisoned. Everyone who cares now knows what he looks like. Any past contacts are wondering how much he told the authorities, and how closely he will be tracked once he’s out. Russia in p... | >How is this a fair trade from the perspective of the US?
Because Griner isn't the main goal of the trade. They actually want someone else who is more important (Paul Whelan I think) and Griner is a bonus.
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I would not even argue Paul Whelan for someone as dangerous of Viktor Bout is fair from that perspective.
... | woykw2 | CMV: The US should not trade Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout for Brittney Griner. | Viktor Bout is a dangerous Russian arms dealer who was convicted of conspiracy to kill U.S. citizens and officials, delivery of anti-aircraft missiles, and providing aid to a terrorist organization. Brittney Griner is an athlete who is of no actual physical threat to Russia. How is this a fair trade from the perspectiv... | OddGuidance907 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Isreal is solely trying to protect Israeli citizens
Firstly this war wasn’t sought after by Israelis but through Palestinians after they invaded Israeli territory on October 7th and murdered 1200 innocent civilians.
There is also no evidence that the Israelis are purposely trying to inflict civilian casualties. ... | I don’t understand how murdering 10s of thousands of innocent women and children is protecting your citizens? Hamas did something absolutely horrible on October 7th without a doubt. Isreal have been oppressing, settling, and murdering Palestinians for over 70 years now. At some point the dams gonna burst. Similar to th... | Protect them from UN aid workers eh?
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Don't forget the babies.
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Don’t forget the evil Hamas water desalination plants, or the oh so evil hamas schools. | 1kxqura | CMV: Isreal is solely trying to protect Israeli citizens | Firstly this war wasn’t sought after by Israelis but through Palestinians after they invaded Israeli territory on October 7th and murdered 1200 innocent civilians.
There is also no evidence that the Israelis are purposely trying to inflict civilian casualties. Nevertheless, you cannot ignore the tactics Hamas is using... | Historical_Piano4390 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: In America, if you work you should get health care coverage.
We’re expected to be good citizens and productive members of society yet society doesn’t care about the health of each of the contributing individual members.
Where **productive** is being;
*a contributor towards societal progress and helping increase... | In Hawaii, employers who hire full time employees must offer health care. It's the law.
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Luckyyyy, should be everywhere.
I thought of a simple solution similar to the law in Hawaii;
I just thought of this so it’s not all clear; full time minimum wage workers who aren’t provided healthcare benefits through the... | I mean, why not implement universal public health insurance? every other advanced, developed nation in the world has *some* form of public healthcare, where a citizen, productive or not, gets treatment without having to pay for it out of pocket. It is covered through taxes. (The exception being Singapore, where you are... | ku7d39 | CMV: In America, if you work you should get health care coverage. | We’re expected to be good citizens and productive members of society yet society doesn’t care about the health of each of the contributing individual members.
Where **productive** is being;
*a contributor towards societal progress and helping increase the cash flow of the economy through production and consumption, u... | BUCKFUDDERSANONYMOUS | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Death is terrifying
I attended a funeral of someone who died very young (23). I really hate that I went to the funeral because ever since then I’ve been obsessing over death and how scary it is. Literally everything about it is scaring me.
The main things that worry me are:
- The unknown that comes after. Is t... | Do you mind all the time you didn't exist before you were born? You were in the exact same state of consciousness then as you will be after death. There is no person to care, and the person that was can longer mind.
As to pain, you have been in pain before, and you will be in pain again. There are things that justify ... | [removed]
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The main things that worry me are:
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CMV: No one is born on the wrong body
The statement used in the context of sexual dysphoria that someone is "born in the wrong body" is untruthfull and based on false premises.
Nobody is born with a cultural identity. It is through contact with gastronomy, tradition, history, tales, places, art, inter alia... that yo... | Nobody ever thought that "born in the wrong body" was a good explanation for gender dysphoria. Rather, it was always just deployed as a "wrong, but gets the point across" model of gender dysphoria to explain what transness is to people who think that gender is just an innate aspect of bodies. Notice I say gender here a... | Something that started out correct or even neutral like the body we are born in can become wrong for you later on. think of it like a job that you grew out of as your career developed - The job was right for you at one point but there's no longer right for you, so you are working the wrong job. When people say that it ... | wotygu | CMV: No one is born on the wrong body | The statement used in the context of sexual dysphoria that someone is "born in the wrong body" is untruthfull and based on false premises.
Nobody is born with a cultural identity. It is through contact with gastronomy, tradition, history, tales, places, art, inter alia... that you develop a cultural identity of your a... | Lusoafricanmemer | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: China just fully annexed Hong Kong, and the West is letting it happen.
China's imposition of a security law that forces extradition to the mainland effectively breaks the "two systems" approach that gave Hong Kong its de facto independence, at least at an individual level, and was supposed to be retained until 20... | I hate to be a cynic, but:
1. What should the "West" do?
2. What can we hope to achieve with it?
3. Is it worth the inevitable repercussions from China?
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These are pretty much the questions I have. The answer would likely be mitary force, for which short term calculus is in favour of China. They estimate they ha... | I think China has every right to enact the national security law because it is written in the HK basic law
Article 18
The laws in force in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region shall be this Law, the laws previously in force in Hong Kong as provided for in Article 8 of this Law, a... | hrkiqx | CMV: China just fully annexed Hong Kong, and the West is letting it happen. | China's imposition of a security law that forces extradition to the mainland effectively breaks the "two systems" approach that gave Hong Kong its de facto independence, at least at an individual level, and was supposed to be retained until 2047.
In response, US financial and media industries are pulling out, either ... | AruthaPete | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: If we want to end all child sexual abuse and statutory rape for good, then we need to change our attitude towards pedophiles.
Before I begin, I just want to make one thing clear: **While reading the details below, remember one important thing that I cannot stress enough: I am NOT, in any way, defending child rap... | I don’t understand the functional difference between someone who rapes children and someone who rapes children due to being attracted to them. I mean, sure, I’ll concede that not all child rapists are literally attracted to children, some do it for other equally horrible reasons, but what other crimes do we judge by th... | > Fourth, many people don't know that some pedophiles are actually children themselves. Or at least, young teenagers.
Can you elaborate a bit here? If a 12 year old has a crush on their 12 year old classmate, is that not ok?
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CMV: Welfare should not suddenly drop to zero when a person reaches a certain income threshold.
The way I understand the welfare system in the U.S is that when a person reaches a certain income threshold, welfare drops to zero. This is detrimental to the lower class because people have less incentive to cross this inc... | I agree in principle. What you’ve described is often referred to as the “welfare trap” and it happened to a friend of mine.
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Because you would presumably only be making that same amount for a short period of time before getting a raise. Also why not work 40 or 50?
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How often are raises given in the UK? | o5n0is | CMV: Welfare should not suddenly drop to zero when a person reaches a certain income threshold. | The way I understand the welfare system in the U.S is that when a person reaches a certain income threshold, welfare drops to zero. This is detrimental to the lower class because people have less incentive to cross this income threshold and make their own living. Once they cross this income threshold, their welfare aut... | TheAnonymous123456 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Dancing is an inherently sexual activity
Background: My girlfriend likes to dance, I do not. I also get uncomfortable when she dances with other people. It would be beneficial to both of us if I could loosen up about it.
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Would you feel uncomfortable with any other activity requiring your girlfriend to be close to other men?
Would you feel uncomfortable if your girlfriend danced with another woman instead?
Would you feel uncomfortable if your girlfriend dance with Asimo (the robot developped by Honda)?
Would you fe... | Let's say I am home alone learning the moves to gangnam style. Would that be *inherently sexual*?
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technically yes tbh, especially that elevator scene
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I honestly don't remember the elevator scene, so let's say I am doing just the horse-riding dance move.
How is that sexual if I am dancing by myself? | bhn3h6 | CMV: Dancing is an inherently sexual activity | Background: My girlfriend likes to dance, I do not. I also get uncomfortable when she dances with other people. It would be beneficial to both of us if I could loosen up about it.
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CMV: The “fat acceptance” movement is filled with delusion and entitlement
Recently I have been seeing more people both on Reddit and other forms of media saying things like “there’s no health problems with being fat” or “fat people are oppressed” or “it’s genetics” or “weight loss is impossible”. They’re all just lyi... | 2. You can be oppressed for things that you contributed to. Veterans received specific protections from discrimination after Vietnam because they were facing oppression - even though some people did actively choose to serve. Someone who crashes while driving drunk and ends up disabled from the accident can still be dis... | I've never seen these sorts of comments other than from trolls and from those putting words in the mouths of others.
The thing being accepted is the self, not the fat. E.g. the first problem to get over is not being defined in your own mind by being fat. Of you do, and accept the meaning of fat society often ascribe... | 175vrpm | CMV: The “fat acceptance” movement is filled with delusion and entitlement | Recently I have been seeing more people both on Reddit and other forms of media saying things like “there’s no health problems with being fat” or “fat people are oppressed” or “it’s genetics” or “weight loss is impossible”. They’re all just lying to them selves to avoid any type of responsibility.
1. There are plenty... | Few-Media2827 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: I do not support BLM
Hello, I hope you are doing well. I trust your opinions and wish to have a thoughtful discussion if you feel comfortable answering some questions I have. I try to believe that I am a centrist (At least that is what the political tests tell me). As such I wish to look at all sides and make a w... | >I disagree with destroying nuclear families,
This is a well-known anti-BLM canard that came from a single post on their website which was later taken down. They never supported "destroying nuclear families." What they meant was that they support breaking down the expectation that women should be the primary caregiver... | **Point 1**: I think where the misunderstanding comes from is the history of the terms: All Lives Matter was a reactionary slogan designed to shut down the dialogue from BLM. An *overwhelming* majority of the time, ALM is only dragged out to shout down BLM. It is almost never used on its own - now what is that?
Le... | kubpza | CMV: I do not support BLM | Hello, I hope you are doing well. I trust your opinions and wish to have a thoughtful discussion if you feel comfortable answering some questions I have. I try to believe that I am a centrist (At least that is what the political tests tell me). As such I wish to look at all sides and make a well-founded argument of my ... | JRSwampFOX | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The opposition to Maduro's presidency in Venezuela is justified and Gauido should become the next president.
Maduro wasted the surpluses made by the high oil prices pre-2014, he tried to print his way out of a deficit when the oil prices fell, he has blamed foreign sanctions that don't target most of the economy ... | Regardless of Maduro being a dictator or not, by assigning the presidency to some other guy makes that guy a dictator. The new guy is a dictator because he is not elected but put in charge by a force, military or otherwise. Thus, this action is a coup. The solution should be to make sure fair elections are held. Then t... | Do you have a source on your “fraudulent election” claim? I haven’t seen a lot of the conversation claiming that.
I think the appropriateness of backing Gauido largely falls on the perceived legitimacy of the election.
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Some include blocking candidates ... | ajj8fi | CMV: The opposition to Maduro's presidency in Venezuela is justified and Gauido should become the next president. | Maduro wasted the surpluses made by the high oil prices pre-2014, he tried to print his way out of a deficit when the oil prices fell, he has blamed foreign sanctions that don't target most of the economy for the downturn, he has centralized power between himself and the supreme court, he engaged in massive repression ... | Ponz314 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The USA is nowhere near as bad as China when it comes to human rights.
This post was inspired by me browsing reddit and seeing all these people saying that the US government is just as bad as the CCP.
How and when has the US done anything nearly as bad as the following:
* Place a specific minority within a camp... | Your list is very centred around a governments approach to its domestic populace. I agree that I would rather be a American citizen in America rather than a Chinese in China. However I would also rather be a citizen of a country that catches China's wrath than America's.
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Tibet and Hong Kong were and are countries... | [removed]
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Just browse any left-leaning sub and look at the comments on a post relating to China. You'll see a lot of comments saying, basically, "But what about America". At least I did.
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I haven’t seen this at all, could you provide a link to a post maybe?
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Not op but I've seen a few comments here or t... | dh4nmw | CMV: The USA is nowhere near as bad as China when it comes to human rights. | This post was inspired by me browsing reddit and seeing all these people saying that the US government is just as bad as the CCP.
How and when has the US done anything nearly as bad as the following:
* Place a specific minority within a camp, suppressing their religion & culture and attempting to forcefully assimilat... | WorstBad | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: A deflationary economy would have a net positive effect in the world.
I've been learning about economics and have recently been reading about historical periods of deflation and the effects it has on societies. The view I have now is that a small amount of deflation (1-3%) should be the goal of economies instead... | Deflation benefits the people who don't have to constantly buy things. It would absolutely not benefit the lower classes.
People will not suddenly start caring about climate change if deflation becomes more common.
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The price of goods would be going down and salaries would naturally gain value instead of having ... | >The effects of minor deflation on a society would benefit lower classes and creditors and hurt upper classes and debtors
Let's hold up a second here. People with net debt are overwhelmingly lower income and lower class. If you were comfortable financially, you wouldn't have a lot of debt. Instead you'd be owed a l... | woqrnt | CMV: A deflationary economy would have a net positive effect in the world. | I've been learning about economics and have recently been reading about historical periods of deflation and the effects it has on societies. The view I have now is that a small amount of deflation (1-3%) should be the goal of economies instead of 1-3% of inflation as it currently is.
The effects of minor deflation o... | SavageKabage | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Auto dealerships only serve to offload distribution responsibilities from manufacturers that wish it. Mandating their use is protecting an increasingly irrelevant business.
Dealerships seem to perform a single function: Manage the distribution and sale of cars. For a manufacturer this alleviates a burden and allo... | Some food for thought: The original reason that dealerships are protected is that they're required by law to provide service and maintenance for the cars they sell.
If Tesla were allowed to sell directly to customers, there are no customer protections that require Tesla to also provide routine maintenance or repairs,... | I don't know about you, but I sure do like to test drive cars before I buy them. Without a dealer, this becomes much more difficult regarding new cars.
As other users have pointed out as well- dealerships handle maintenance, leasing, and other programs which manufacturers are not required to deal with. Without dealers... | 6obyfc | CMV: Auto dealerships only serve to offload distribution responsibilities from manufacturers that wish it. Mandating their use is protecting an increasingly irrelevant business. | Dealerships seem to perform a single function: Manage the distribution and sale of cars. For a manufacturer this alleviates a burden and allows them to focus largely on a single aspect of their business, i.e., production and design. With tech companies like Tesla, Uber, Google, and Apple (who typically seem fine with h... | wrkyle | 6 | 6 | [
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CMV: It is morally acceptable to be abusive to telemarketing scammers.
My mother was scammed from a telemarketer a few years ago (very sad, but my father got hold of the bank in time to stop any damage). Ever since then, telemarketers must have put our landline on some list of gullible people because they have continu... | Morality is kind of irrelevant to this discussion. What you're essentially asking is "Is it okay if I'm abusive toward people that annoy me?"
Just looking at the issue empathetically, the answer should very quickly be "No."
It's irrelevant whether the telemarketer is annoying you or whether or not they're a good pers... | [deleted]
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Well, as far as I can remember, it's always an Indian man's voice. Whether they are coerced, disabled, or otherwise unemployable is something I cannot attest to. Is your qualm 'love the sinner, hate the sin'?
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I think perhaps more what he's getting at is: do they need this job or are they just ... | ajk8cn | CMV: It is morally acceptable to be abusive to telemarketing scammers. | My mother was scammed from a telemarketer a few years ago (very sad, but my father got hold of the bank in time to stop any damage). Ever since then, telemarketers must have put our landline on some list of gullible people because they have continued to call us, purporting to be from banks that none of us have ever use... | Throwjob42 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Many people only don't care about the aborted babies, because they are the "others". Everything else are just rationalizations.
First of, I'm personally rather apathetic towards abortions and I couldn't care less to be honest. Nevertheless, I consider a fertilized zygote already as ~~living~~ human life because i... | I disagree with your argument against bodily autonomy. While true that people are less comfortable with later term abortions, isn’t this partly because the fetus has become more autonomous, so we are now weighing the rights of one autonomous entity against another?
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I think that's the same thing I was saying. It m... | I think the problem with your argument is that you conflate life and person. Human life isn't particulary valuable, people are. A zygote isn't a person, and as such isn't particulary valuable. Which is also why we take human life that no longer contains a person (braindead people) from life support eventually.
So: It'... | 9y1xov | CMV: Many people only don't care about the aborted babies, because they are the "others". Everything else are just rationalizations. | First of, I'm personally rather apathetic towards abortions and I couldn't care less to be honest. Nevertheless, I consider a fertilized zygote already as ~~living~~ human life because it's the least common denominator of what intelligent human life can be (thus I can be considered pro-life in a way). My reasoning is m... | CDWEBI | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Hong Kong has become an excuse for many people to be racist and xenophobic/sinophobic
Disclaimer : I grew up in Hong Kong and I am a firm supporter of the Hong Kong protesters.
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But I think The Hong Kong protests has became a excuse for many people to be blatantly racist and xenophobic/sinophobic.
... | >I have came across may post and comments that start out with chants like "Fuck China", or something along the lines. I refuse to believe that people can't tell apart a country (which include its citizen) and its government, it is Chinese authoritarian government that is oppressing Hong Kong, not its citizens , majorit... | When people say "Fuck China" they're really saying "Fuck the CCP". No one has a problem with the Chinese people, it's why there has been such widespread support for HK and condemnation of the Chinese government. The entire reason people are angry is because the Chinese government is abusing its authority in ways that a... | dgzxr2 | CMV: Hong Kong has become an excuse for many people to be racist and xenophobic/sinophobic | Disclaimer : I grew up in Hong Kong and I am a firm supporter of the Hong Kong protesters.
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But I think The Hong Kong protests has became a excuse for many people to be blatantly racist and xenophobic/sinophobic.
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Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the people who genuinely care about the movement in H... | killerofpain | 5 | 5 | [
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