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CMV: I won’t ever vote Republican (probably)
I just don’t see a scenario where one can justify voting for the Republican Party as it is now. Maybe if someone like Ron paul was the driving force behind the party- but that’s not the case.
Instead we get a wannabe dictator who wanted to SEIZE election machines. Not kidd... | >I just don’t see a scenario where one can justify voting for the Republican Party as it is now.
That's the cool thing about not having proportional representation. We don't vote for parties we vote for individuals.
>At least demonrats propose policy I can agree with!
>Yet millions of people vote red. What am I mis... | Your title makes it almost impossible to change your view. What are we supposed to change it too?
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Show me good policies that republicans propose and change my mind that it’s becoming anti democratic
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Ever since Biden took office the world has turned upside down. Trumps policies actually resulted in economic... | uqbu8p | CMV: I won’t ever vote Republican (probably) | I just don’t see a scenario where one can justify voting for the Republican Party as it is now. Maybe if someone like Ron paul was the driving force behind the party- but that’s not the case.
Instead we get a wannabe dictator who wanted to SEIZE election machines. Not kidding, he asked his DOJ to that. Not the mention... | supersk8er | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: there should be real-time, third-party fact-checking broadcast on-screen for major statements made during nationally broadcast debates.
I'm using the US elections as my context but this doesn't just have to apply in the US. In the 2016 election cycle and again now in the 2020 debates, a lot of debate time is spen... | Real time?
That would become to messy. Why if a statement has 3 false claims and 4 truthful claims?
What if the claim is partially correct?
Not everything is black and white. Who does the fact checking party use as their sources?
What constitutes as a “major” statement?
What if both parties do not agree with th... | Real time is Impossible. Youie much faster than someone can fact check. Especially if the real answer has nuance. The only way to do this is to have unnatural pauses for fact checking.
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I proposed a case where delays could be addressed, at least in part. Do you think that would be at all possible?
I addressed nua... | j74jyu | CMV: there should be real-time, third-party fact-checking broadcast on-screen for major statements made during nationally broadcast debates. | I'm using the US elections as my context but this doesn't just have to apply in the US. In the 2016 election cycle and again now in the 2020 debates, a lot of debate time is spent disagreeing over objective statements of fact. For example, in the October 7 VP debate, there were several times where VP Pence stated that ... | NewAgent | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: the United States could and should cut its military budget in half.
In 2017, the military budget was $639 billion. So I guess I'm saying let's spend $320 billion less on our military.
Let me address what are likely the two biggest concerns with doing this:
1) Defense
The United States is a member of NATO. We h... | Sure - where do you want to cut the money from?
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Everything. Cut everything in half.
That means closing bases in various areas, or at least reducing them to a skeleton crew.
It means laying off lots of personnel, of course, which is fine as long as we use the money we freed up to help them transition to civilia... | 1. Defense. The closest enemy we are at war with is not North Korea. The closest enemy has been and will continue to be Russia, not that they are close. We have nukes pointed at each other already and haven't stopped yet. NATO can't help us with nuclear weapons. That aside, only 2 NATO members meet there purchasing r... | 8dgmlm | CMV: the United States could and should cut its military budget in half. | In 2017, the military budget was $639 billion. So I guess I'm saying let's spend $320 billion less on our military.
Let me address what are likely the two biggest concerns with doing this:
1) Defense
The United States is a member of NATO. We have DOZENS of military allies who could come to our aid if we really neede... | malachai926 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: the United States could and should cut its military budget in half.
In 2017, the military budget was $639 billion. So I guess I'm saying let's spend $320 billion less on our military.
Let me address what are likely the two biggest concerns with doing this:
1) Defense
The United States is a member of NATO. We h... | Sure - where do you want to cut the money from?
---
Everything. Cut everything in half.
That means closing bases in various areas, or at least reducing them to a skeleton crew.
It means laying off lots of personnel, of course, which is fine as long as we use the money we freed up to help them transition to civilia... | 1. Defense. The closest enemy we are at war with is not North Korea. The closest enemy has been and will continue to be Russia, not that they are close. We have nukes pointed at each other already and haven't stopped yet. NATO can't help us with nuclear weapons. That aside, only 2 NATO members meet there purchasing r... | 8dgmlm | CMV: the United States could and should cut its military budget in half. | In 2017, the military budget was $639 billion. So I guess I'm saying let's spend $320 billion less on our military.
Let me address what are likely the two biggest concerns with doing this:
1) Defense
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CMV: In the coming decades we need to answer the Incel Question, and I believe I have the solution
Have shared this on /r/purplepilldebate and other forums, hoping this place could bring a new perspective on it. I think that red pill and blue pill are ultimately attempts at figuring out a struggling man's place in soc... | >The matter is that women of yesteryear were the equivalent of ambitionless students wanting to pass or slackers content with any grade (though not by their choice), but in modern times they are now the children of Tiger moms who face disgust when they drop beneath the A range in most cases. I have seen this myself as ... | An easier solution would be to have men not react poorly to the fact that they aren't entitled to women's bodies. The negative reaction to being "involuntarily celibate" is negative emotions on the part of the "incel". It's their responsibility to get over it, not women's burden nor is it society's role to commit genoc... | 67diqb | CMV: In the coming decades we need to answer the Incel Question, and I believe I have the solution | Have shared this on /r/purplepilldebate and other forums, hoping this place could bring a new perspective on it. I think that red pill and blue pill are ultimately attempts at figuring out a struggling man's place in society and how he, and perhaps we, ought to factor into that. I believe I have a better grasp of it th... | TheVanquishedOne | 6 | 6 | [
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CMV: For addictive drugs, criminal penalties should be replaced by mandatory rehab.
We should completely get rid of jail time for possession or use of drugs. It doesn't do anyone any good. But they shouldn't be completely legalized. They should be decriminalized and their should be job protections for people who are a... | The only way rehab is effective is if the addict is willing to quit. If they're not willing you're not only wasting everybody's time, you're also putting potentially dangerous people back on the street within a matter of weeks.
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> you're also putting potentially dangerous people back on the street within a matter ... | Here's my problem. You dont have to be addicted to get arrested. You dont even have to use. Let's say you deal a little cocaine but, it's not really your drug. You get arrested for possession of narcotics. Plead addiction and, get sent to the *easier* option of rehab. Normally I'm all for rehabilitation. But this seem... | uq8wkq | CMV: For addictive drugs, criminal penalties should be replaced by mandatory rehab. | We should completely get rid of jail time for possession or use of drugs. It doesn't do anyone any good. But they shouldn't be completely legalized. They should be decriminalized and their should be job protections for people who are addicted as long as it doesn't directly affect their job performance and that their jo... | Andalib_Odulate | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: For addictive drugs, criminal penalties should be replaced by mandatory rehab.
We should completely get rid of jail time for possession or use of drugs. It doesn't do anyone any good. But they shouldn't be completely legalized. They should be decriminalized and their should be job protections for people who are a... | >. But they shouldn't be completely legalized.
Why not? Why is it morally wrong to do or posess drugs?
>mandatory rehab should be required.
What if they can't afford to pay for rehab? Make the taxpayers pay for it? What if we do that but they don't want to get clean? That would just be wasted tax dollars.
>Fines... | The only way rehab is effective is if the addict is willing to quit. If they're not willing you're not only wasting everybody's time, you're also putting potentially dangerous people back on the street within a matter of weeks.
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> you're also putting potentially dangerous people back on the street within a matter ... | uq8wkq | CMV: For addictive drugs, criminal penalties should be replaced by mandatory rehab. | We should completely get rid of jail time for possession or use of drugs. It doesn't do anyone any good. But they shouldn't be completely legalized. They should be decriminalized and their should be job protections for people who are addicted as long as it doesn't directly affect their job performance and that their jo... | Andalib_Odulate | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: We shouldn't tell everybody to vote. If you're less informed than the average voter you shouldn't vote.
It seems like everywhere the message is that voting is always good. Everybody should vote, and we should be staunchly opposed to laws that might lead to less people voting.
[33%](https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/1... | The poll you presented shows that the overwhelming majority is uninformed, according to your logic. I wouldn’t say that knowing all three branches qualifies you as knowledgeable enough to vote.
By your standards, the majority of high schoolers should be voting. Another problem to consider, who decides how much knowled... | The problem with setting any kind of "gatekeeping" standard for voting is the question of who gets to decide that that standard is. In the recent past, voting eligibility tests were used to keep black people from voting. Why should anyone believe that kind of thing wouldn't happen again?
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I think each voter should... | j73qcv | CMV: We shouldn't tell everybody to vote. If you're less informed than the average voter you shouldn't vote. | It seems like everywhere the message is that voting is always good. Everybody should vote, and we should be staunchly opposed to laws that might lead to less people voting.
[33%](https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/13/politics/poll-constitution/index.html) of Americans can't name a single branch of the government. Which woul... | I-live-in-Austin | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: As an Australian, I should still care about Australian politics even if we really are nothing but puppet state and henchmen of the USA.
# Background
I made this post because the [next Australian Federal Election is less than 3 weeks away](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Australian_federal_election).
My [Medi... | How would it be possible to change this view? What evidence would you need?
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Does the USA really control my daily life? Do they, not Australian governments, really provide the services I use on a daily basis? Does my vote not matter?
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If the USA controlled your daily life then life would be a lot more like in... | Do you have evidence that the US controls the outcomes of Australian elections?
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Caitlin Johnstone claims that the elections are not influenced, but the only choices we have are Pro-USA stooges.
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I don't know to what extent money is able to influence electoral outcomes in Australia. But is it possible that, ... | birif8 | CMV: As an Australian, I should still care about Australian politics even if we really are nothing but puppet state and henchmen of the USA. | # Background
I made this post because the [next Australian Federal Election is less than 3 weeks away](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Australian_federal_election).
My [Medium.com](https://Medium.com) feed often shows articles by [Caitlin Johnstone](https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone). Caitlin Johnstone is an Aust... | Af203 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Trans activism doesn't need the notion of "gender identity" at all.
(First, hope I don't offend anyone - I'm trying to grasp what it means to feel like a non-binary person and I absolutely think they shouldn't be discriminated against.)
1. The neurological basis of gender dysphoria is not necessarily some kind o... | Gender identity is a totally different concept than "brain sex". Gender identity means feeling that you are a particular gender. The only major difference between gender identity and the "dysphoria" approach you prefer is whether transgender people should have to feel very negatively or not. What's wrong with allowi... | >If brain sex were a thing, we would have developed a concept of it well before of gender studies: most people really don't feel internally in any significant way. I've met very few people who claimed their internal sense of gender switches over time or things like that;
Any notion of brain sex comes not from gender s... | ak16bb | CMV: Trans activism doesn't need the notion of "gender identity" at all. | (First, hope I don't offend anyone - I'm trying to grasp what it means to feel like a non-binary person and I absolutely think they shouldn't be discriminated against.)
1. The neurological basis of gender dysphoria is not necessarily some kind of "brain sex." For all the evidence we have, it could very well just be de... | moteur_action | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: If women have a right to abortion then antvaxxers have a right no not get vaccinated
The main argument I see for abortion is that a woman has a right to bodily autonomy. Basically put Its her body and she can do with it what she likes. Yet there are a few cases(mostly twitter) I've seen of people who supported ma... | Do you have any strong evidence that mandatory vaccination has occurred in the US? There is no infringement of the right to remain unvaccinated.
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Not my argument. I said I've seen people using bodily autonomy to argue for the right to abortion yet advocating mandatory vaccines, and in my opinion you cant argue for... | >An abortion is is basically killing a person in potential, had the abortion not happened then there would have be a person born.
Not necessarily.
Around 21% of pregnancies end in miscarriage.
Around 0.6% end in stillbirth.
Around ~~17.4%~~ 0.002% end in the death of the mother to be and child.
Which translates in... | uq5ndv | CMV: If women have a right to abortion then antvaxxers have a right no not get vaccinated | The main argument I see for abortion is that a woman has a right to bodily autonomy. Basically put Its her body and she can do with it what she likes. Yet there are a few cases(mostly twitter) I've seen of people who supported mandatory vaccinations saying women have a right to abortions on the basis of bodily autonomy... | crappy-throwaway | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Prison sentences should be determined by a "blind" judge
Prison sentences should be determined by a "blind" 3rd party judge that has no direct involvement in or details of the case.
After a court case wraps up & the defendant is found guilty, they need to have a prison sentence handed down by the judge presiding... | Is unbiased sentences really something we want? I mean, sure, when a black man gets more time in jail than a white woman for the same crime that is a problem, but if we won't factor things like circunstance and personal history when making a final sentence, then why even have a juri? Why not just have, instead of "mini... | While I agree that a judge’s biases can be problematic in the case of gender or race discrimination, I’m not sure we can be confident that bias won’t carry over to a blind judge, provided they have ample access to all of the evidence and testimony at trial. But discrimination aside, I think we’d lose something really i... | birh32 | CMV: Prison sentences should be determined by a "blind" judge | Prison sentences should be determined by a "blind" 3rd party judge that has no direct involvement in or details of the case.
After a court case wraps up & the defendant is found guilty, they need to have a prison sentence handed down by the judge presiding over the case. The judge will look at the evidence in the case... | Amraff | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: You shouldn't go to work with a cold
It's not good to go to work with a cold. Even if your job is important you need to stay home and rest. You will get better much quicker if you stay at home, stay warm, and get a lot of rest.
You also may spread your cold to others if you go in and that is selfish. No one else... | You make good points about why you shouldn't go to work with a cold.
But what if the negative effects of *not* going to work with a cold are worse than those of going to work with a cold?
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What would be the negatives of not going to work with a cold?
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Being fired because you work for a shitty company that sa... | Seems like an implied assumption but you never actually say it any place: this of course only applies to people who work with others.
If I'm a trucker or a wilderness surveyor or what have you, a mild cold won't be very relevant.
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Still not good for your recovery
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It's a cold. Not too worried about conseque... | uq4r0r | CMV: You shouldn't go to work with a cold | It's not good to go to work with a cold. Even if your job is important you need to stay home and rest. You will get better much quicker if you stay at home, stay warm, and get a lot of rest.
You also may spread your cold to others if you go in and that is selfish. No one else wants to catch your cold.
And not only th... | Money-Agent-1777 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Support of actions such as AWS deplatforming Parler is incompatible with support of net neutrality principles, and opposition to those actions incompatible with opposition to net neutrality
For the purposes of this discussion, I'm using the Wikipedia definition of net neutrality:
> Network neutrality, most commo... | [deleted]
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You could absolutely start your own ISP if you wanted. The regulatory and financial hurdles may be difficult, but it's definitely possible.
In that an ISP provides internet service to end-user consumers, cloud providers do similar work for their end-user consumers, who are more often than not business... | Banning ISIS from their platform is the same type of censorship. Credit card companies and banks arent allowed to do business with them either.
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Well, what if OP - like me - thinks that banning ISIS from using credit cards is also unjust, since "Uhh I swear he's part of ISIS" is pretty thin gruel for banning someo... | kv90qz | CMV: Support of actions such as AWS deplatforming Parler is incompatible with support of net neutrality principles, and opposition to those actions incompatible with opposition to net neutrality | For the purposes of this discussion, I'm using the Wikipedia definition of net neutrality:
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CMV: Vegans who force a vegan diet on carnivorous pets can't really support animal rights
Vegans or vegetarians who force a vegan diet on carnivorous pets can’t be animal rights activists and don’t actually care about animals. They only want everyone and everything to fit their world view and can’t accept anything out... | An acquintance of mine was recently told to place one of her dogs on a vegan diet for medical reasons. Shortly after being moved off onto this new food, the dogs health improved dramatically. For simplicity and to reduce risk, she has moved her second dog, a healthy adult onto the same food. She first checked with her ... | > the refusal to provide for something like a pet is arguably abusive and even dangerous
I'm not familiar with how vegan pet food functions. Doesn't it provide the pets with the same energy and nutrients as animal based pet food? Can a pet even distinguish between vegan food and the highly processes animal based pet ... | uq1vmg | CMV: Vegans who force a vegan diet on carnivorous pets can't really support animal rights | Vegans or vegetarians who force a vegan diet on carnivorous pets can’t be animal rights activists and don’t actually care about animals. They only want everyone and everything to fit their world view and can’t accept anything outside of it, rather than actually wanting fair and normal treatment of animals.
Edit: I'm m... | zirconthecrystal | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: A relationship between someone and their SO (or spouse) requires sexual attraction.
After thinking, I’ve realized that a relationship between a person and their SO included three elements. This is how I define them.
Elements-
1.) friendship element- this includes talking about serious subjects that you would tel... | Asexual people exist. Those same asexual people often end up in committed, successful relationship. There is, by definition, no sexual attraction between those people. Therefore, a sexual attraction is clearly not a required condition for a relationship to succeed.
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Asexual people? I’m not familiar.
Do they no... | What about an older couple who may have stopped having sex for whatever reason, but are still very loving to each other? Do they cease to be a couple because they aren't sexual enough?
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they behave like best friends at that point or just family. Yes they are shown to be spouses but the relationship they have as on... | bis0lu | CMV: A relationship between someone and their SO (or spouse) requires sexual attraction. | After thinking, I’ve realized that a relationship between a person and their SO included three elements. This is how I define them.
Elements-
1.) friendship element- this includes talking about serious subjects that you would tell a best friend. Being there for your partner just like you would be there for a friend if... | Dafkin00 | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: Testing products on animals is inexcusable no matter the context.
I have a friend who is strongly vegan, as in, researches every product before using it to ensure there has been no animals involved in testing, production, etc. My other best friend works for a research facility that tests on animals for the purpos... | How else will we test products? Test on humans?
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That’s the idea. If we want these products, we should be responsible for their testing.
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Why isn't testing on humans less inhumane than testing on animals?
Let say there is a pill that could cure a disease. Why would you volunteer to test it if you don't... | [deleted]
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My main issue with it I suppose is knowing that humans could step up and volunteer, or not. The animals involved are innocent and unable to comprehend why they are suffering, just that they are, and they have no choice in it. I’m not trying to debate, just eager for more of your thoughts!
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Do you ... | akemeq | CMV: Testing products on animals is inexcusable no matter the context. | I have a friend who is strongly vegan, as in, researches every product before using it to ensure there has been no animals involved in testing, production, etc. My other best friend works for a research facility that tests on animals for the purpose of medical progress, and has no conscious about product consumption re... | 10bravegrapefruits | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Testing products on animals is inexcusable no matter the context.
I have a friend who is strongly vegan, as in, researches every product before using it to ensure there has been no animals involved in testing, production, etc. My other best friend works for a research facility that tests on animals for the purpos... | [deleted]
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My main issue with it I suppose is knowing that humans could step up and volunteer, or not. The animals involved are innocent and unable to comprehend why they are suffering, just that they are, and they have no choice in it. I’m not trying to debate, just eager for more of your thoughts!
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Do you ... | Replying to the title: Animals are used to taste test pet food; technically that is product development.
More seriously: For the most part, almost all treatments, drugs, medical devices, etc. Benefited/used animals for medical trials/research.
Let's give an example: the development of new antibiotics. I'd much rat... | akemeq | CMV: Testing products on animals is inexcusable no matter the context. | I have a friend who is strongly vegan, as in, researches every product before using it to ensure there has been no animals involved in testing, production, etc. My other best friend works for a research facility that tests on animals for the purpose of medical progress, and has no conscious about product consumption re... | 10bravegrapefruits | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The hatred towards Hillary Clinton is unwarranted
I don't understand it to be honest with you. It seems both on both the right and left (especially the right) they simply despise her. What is it about her that people hate so much? She seems like a very intelligent lady who has spent decades in politics. She typic... | You can kinda ignore the 2016 election if you want to find out why she is so hated, the hatred towards her is decades old by now.
One sentiment towards her during Bill Clintons presidency was this:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X5XKQIiQh8&feature=youtu.be](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X5XKQIiQh8&feature=yout... | As a lefty I'm mad at her because she managed to lose to the worst presidential candidate of all time. She would have had 3 SCOTUS appointments. Freaking ridiculous that the current buffoon has (or will have) appointed 1/3 of the court. It's basically the end of progress for 30 years.
That seems pretty fair to me.
-... | j70o9o | CMV: The hatred towards Hillary Clinton is unwarranted | I don't understand it to be honest with you. It seems both on both the right and left (especially the right) they simply despise her. What is it about her that people hate so much? She seems like a very intelligent lady who has spent decades in politics. She typically has very reasoned approaches to her arguments and t... | HotFlamingo7676 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The LGBT community should stop claiming the opression of homosexuality in the past.
I'm a 29 year old gay man in the South of the US. I'm out to everyone I know, and am fortunate to be (finally) living in a fairly progressive city.
The LGBT community frustrates me. I understand
that we've made great strides ... | You should clarify what you mean by "owning the oppression of LGBT people of the past" because it's not completely clear by your OP.
Also how is this:
>I understand ethnic minorities claiming the opression of their forebearers. In many cases it bled down over the years and was the foundation for the hardships of the... | Queer people are still a community, whether or not we're tied by blood, and it's not like there's a clear line between "the past" and "the present." It's all a continuum. Middle-aged queer people remember the AIDS crisis. They had friends and family who died. Middle-aged queer people are part of my community, and those... | a049qp | CMV: The LGBT community should stop claiming the opression of homosexuality in the past. | I'm a 29 year old gay man in the South of the US. I'm out to everyone I know, and am fortunate to be (finally) living in a fairly progressive city.
The LGBT community frustrates me. I understand
that we've made great strides in tolerance in recent years due to the tireless work of many activists within said commun... | LowCunning | 5 | 3 | [
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CMV: Diversity quotas do not exist at all
I've yet to find any evidence whatsoever that diversity quotas are even a thing in the workplace. I haven't seen one released "diversity quota" from a company that illustrates exactly how many black/Latino/Indian people must be hired by the company. I've found countless articl... | It's not that there's a specific set quota, but rather that not having enough diversity opens a company up to investigation and possibly prosecution by the EEOC.
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal\_Employment\_Opportunity\_Commission](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Employment_Opportunity_Commission)
... | Wait so your argument is "I haven't seen them so they don't exist"? And newspapers reporting about them isn't proof in your opinion?
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What I find concerning about them is that no one can find any actual evidence that they exist other than articles that talk about them. Why are there no released diversity quotas... | ak6100 | CMV: Diversity quotas do not exist at all | I've yet to find any evidence whatsoever that diversity quotas are even a thing in the workplace. I haven't seen one released "diversity quota" from a company that illustrates exactly how many black/Latino/Indian people must be hired by the company. I've found countless articles that acknowledge diversity quotas, but n... | 14thCluelessbird | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Someone who chooses to knowingly remain friends with an asshole is also being an asshole
As I've gotten older, I've noticed that a lot of social groups are effectively ruined by just a couple of assholes. Even though everyone knows the kind of creepy behavior the asshole is engaging in, a lot of people will conti... | "Help me CMV so I can see the gray area that probably exists here"
You said it right there. "grey area" What constitutes an asshole is not exactly cut and dry, and what constitutes "the line" is also not cut and dry.
Everyone will stop associating with an asshole at some point, so your premise is a bit flawed. ... | The problem is that "asshole" is actually just a really vague thing.
I've got a buddy. One of my best friends in the whole world. I've known him for over half my lifetime at this point. He's always been there for me, I've always tried to be there for him. He checks in on me when no one else does. He's a husband and a... | 1783z66 | CMV: Someone who chooses to knowingly remain friends with an asshole is also being an asshole | As I've gotten older, I've noticed that a lot of social groups are effectively ruined by just a couple of assholes. Even though everyone knows the kind of creepy behavior the asshole is engaging in, a lot of people will continue to remain friends with the asshole - so we can never kick them out of the group.
I unders... | ATXBookLover | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Mike Tyson was right when he said "Social media made you all too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it.”
They asked me to link to it when I copied the quote, so w/e, here: [link](https://www.worldboxingnews.com/mike-tyson-internet-trolls-truth/)
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That's almost exactly what I'm thinking of. Physically disciplining your kid is bad and does more harm than good, but that doesn't mean the *concept* of discipline *at all* is bad; if your kid breaks the console having a fit, it's fair to have them earn a new one.
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yeah people have been convinced t... | So what is your argument, exactly? That people who are mean on social media should be punched in the face? Or that the laws surrounding battery or assault should be less restrictive?
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We're too nice to jerk-offs both on social media and IRL. We're more interested in, like, being the bigger man or w/e than giving p... | 1om3rkx | CMV: Mike Tyson was right when he said "Social media made you all too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it.” | They asked me to link to it when I copied the quote, so w/e, here: [link](https://www.worldboxingnews.com/mike-tyson-internet-trolls-truth/)
Anyway, I get the social utility of keeping violence to a minimum and stopping vigilante justice generally. I really do, and I agree with it to an extent: no lynchings, prison ki... | Forward-Abroad-2581 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Mike Tyson was right when he said "Social media made you all too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it.”
They asked me to link to it when I copied the quote, so w/e, here: [link](https://www.worldboxingnews.com/mike-tyson-internet-trolls-truth/)
Anyway, I get the social... | [removed]
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Someone shitty saying something correct doesn't make it wrong, it just means they're a broken clock.
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It being Mike Tyson also makes me think that the punch-to-the-face system is really beneficial to Mike Tyson, and not at all beneficial to me.
Mike Tyson can disrespect me as much as he wants and ... | So what is your argument, exactly? That people who are mean on social media should be punched in the face? Or that the laws surrounding battery or assault should be less restrictive?
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We're too nice to jerk-offs both on social media and IRL. We're more interested in, like, being the bigger man or w/e than giving p... | 1om3rkx | CMV: Mike Tyson was right when he said "Social media made you all too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it.” | They asked me to link to it when I copied the quote, so w/e, here: [link](https://www.worldboxingnews.com/mike-tyson-internet-trolls-truth/)
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CMV: Religion hinders development/progress in societies
In my opinion religion and culture is one of the big reasons a lot of countries in the world are behind and it is also the cause for many problems. Religion also is an excuse for many corrupt leaders in the world to not give their people freedom and to not focus ... | It depends on the direction in which it's taken.
For hundreds of years the Catholic church was one of the major driving forces behind scientific research and development, as well as the arts.
Obviously religions that discourage learning and art are going to hinder progress.
But religion tends to be a reflection of ... | [deleted]
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Well I think certain religions limit progress because they give no incentive for people to invest in technological and societal advancement.
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[deleted] | ek63mb | CMV: Religion hinders development/progress in societies | In my opinion religion and culture is one of the big reasons a lot of countries in the world are behind and it is also the cause for many problems. Religion also is an excuse for many corrupt leaders in the world to not give their people freedom and to not focus on social progress.
A good example is Turkey. Turkey is ... | Gondal90 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The American education would benefit from abolishing public schools and moving to a privatized system, with the government helping those who cannot afford the private schools.
1. Let me first start by saying that I believe education K-12 is something that should be provided for all children.
2. The public school... | Many private schools are successful because they can pick and choose who they allow through their doors. They have the ability to turn away underachieving kids or kids who are below the poverty. This makes their establishment seem more successful. If they were forced to accept kids, it would basically be public school.... | >Private school prices would be driven down by the abolition of private schools. Currently, there is not a market for cheap private schools, since the public school taxes would make poor families pay for school twice if they wanted to attend private school.
Two issues that I see. One is that education is a fairly in... | 8wclcn | CMV: The American education would benefit from abolishing public schools and moving to a privatized system, with the government helping those who cannot afford the private schools. | 1. Let me first start by saying that I believe education K-12 is something that should be provided for all children.
2. The public school system has failed many people, especially in big cities like Chicago.
3. In the current educational system, it is very difficult for a family that values education to use their mon... | Blackhawk_20 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Politics of various types in general is stupid and a waste of time
Ok, I understand. Everything we do can be politics, like for example environment protection, human rights, economy etc. But I think that politics is in general is stupid, a waste of time and an excuse to be pieces of crap.
What politics does is j... | >Left-wing politics are mainly composed by psychotic people obsessed with gender and "Diversity".
You want to go back to not having weekends?
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What? What has this to do with that line?
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Leftist unions fought for limits to how much people can be reasonably expected to work. That includes not having child labo... | You're apolitical?
What's your view on banning abortion?
Immigration?
Taxes: Higher? Lower?
Military spending: Good? Too much? Not enough?
Reigning in corporate greed, specifically in housing?
Roads, schools, bridges, other infastructure?
Military aid to allies?
Deregulating environmental protections to further... | y74zj8 | CMV: Politics of various types in general is stupid and a waste of time | Ok, I understand. Everything we do can be politics, like for example environment protection, human rights, economy etc. But I think that politics is in general is stupid, a waste of time and an excuse to be pieces of crap.
What politics does is just leading us to create harmful and irrational mindsets that can lead to... | TacticalCorvix | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Consent to Sex is not Consent to Pregnancy
This topic is obviously related to the abortion debate and I'd like to explore this topic with you.
I don't believe that consenting to an activity means that you have consented to every possible consequence of that activity.
An analogy that is often used is driving a c... | Look I agree with your sentiment. I agree abortion is a human right. but
>I don't believe that consenting to an activity means that you have consented to every possible consequence of that activity.
This is not the good argument you think it is. In every other aspect of our lives, if you make a decision you consented... | What other purposes sex have? Is the decision to drink and drive also mean you decide if you get in trouble?
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Pretty sure people just like having sex. I'm willing to bet most of the time when people have sex they're not trying to make a baby
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Yea people also like getting drunk, that's my point
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You said ... | vj2sex | CMV: Consent to Sex is not Consent to Pregnancy | This topic is obviously related to the abortion debate and I'd like to explore this topic with you.
I don't believe that consenting to an activity means that you have consented to every possible consequence of that activity.
An analogy that is often used is driving a car, but I think there are a few changes to this a... | Tunesmith29 | 4 | 4 | [
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CMV: John Walker did nothing wrong as Captain America
Everyone knows that Captain America was created for the United States government as a propaganda idol for the war effort against the Axis powers (besides the technicality of the comics which he fought in the war as opposed to him getting into the war, but I digress... | As u/FriendlyCraig pointed out Capitan America should be better but to add to their point... It's just as important or even more important how he did it. It wasn't the middle of a battle, he didn't do it cleanly, it was brutal and bloody. Walker had injected the super serum at this point if iirc and could of easily tak... | Cap should be better than the rest of us. That's the short of it. It might be hard for the rest of us to be great and not crave vengeance or snap in the face of tragedy, but that's why we aren't Captain America. He should be better, should exemplify the finest ideals, and set the absolute best example.
Captain America... | wts7x7 | CMV: John Walker did nothing wrong as Captain America | Everyone knows that Captain America was created for the United States government as a propaganda idol for the war effort against the Axis powers (besides the technicality of the comics which he fought in the war as opposed to him getting into the war, but I digress). He killed many Nazi and Hydra soldiers alike for the... | layZwrks | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The transgender movement is based entirely on socially-constructed gender stereotypes, and wouldn't exist if we truly just let people do and be what they want.
I want to start by saying that I am not anti-trans, but that I don't think I understand it. It seems to me that if stereotypes about gender like "boys wea... | You are equating gender expression with gender identity—they are two wholly different things. Being trans is not just about looking like the gender you identify as, it's who you are inside.
I'm going to provide some anecdotal evidence that might help you understand. I was born female, but feel a strong disconnect from... | quick question: do you know any trans people personally? because I happen to be one and my gender identity has very little to with gender stereotypes and everything to do with my body. hormonal/surgical transitions are the point, not something I do because idk I like dresses or something.
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CMV: I don't see the problem with using ableist language
I study and work in a very woke environment where I normally agree with most of what the people around me think. But one issue that I don't agree on is the issue of ableist language being oppressive or morally wrong. One of my superiors will tell us things like ... | https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewpulrang/2020/09/07/disabled-peoples-feelings-about-cures-are-more-complex-than-you-may-think/
plenty of disabled people identify with their disabilities on a deep personal level and would not choose to be cured if given the chance.
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\>you're implying that actual disabled people deserve a value judgement for being disabled.
I don't see how.
... | 1oltvhe | CMV: I don't see the problem with using ableist language | I study and work in a very woke environment where I normally agree with most of what the people around me think. But one issue that I don't agree on is the issue of ableist language being oppressive or morally wrong. One of my superiors will tell us things like "using the word 'blind-spots,' or saying 'I'm paralyzed wi... | Raspint | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: The stock market is a scam
Bonds are something that have been around for longer. It is offering interest and repayment of a loan for the company that needs money. Stocks in private business are something where the owners have a say in the operations and share of profits. Now you have non-voting stocks and stocks ... | >When a company gets bought out, do the shareholders get a fair share of the money?
Yes.
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non-voting stock are usually cheaper. Also, no one forces you to buy non-voting stock, in fact most stocks people talk about and buy when they say "stock market" are regular vot... | When multiple people want to create a company, they put their money together and divide the company into parts (aka shares). As they all own a part of the company, they all own a part of its profits (aka dividends).
If the company needs more money, it can ask around for investors who will receive shares too.
Dividend... | 5odg7q | CMV: The stock market is a scam | Bonds are something that have been around for longer. It is offering interest and repayment of a loan for the company that needs money. Stocks in private business are something where the owners have a say in the operations and share of profits. Now you have non-voting stocks and stocks that don't give out dividends. Pe... | cheekygorilla | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Devoting resources to only those who aren't white/heterosexual is prejudice
I'm struggling with the idea of my college having an Office of Multicultural Affairs that specifically appeals to people people who aren't white or heterosexual. I see these intelligent people I know who support this sort of spending, but... | This topic has been absolutely beat to death and then propped up and beaten again. Before we dig into a long discussion about how racism works in modern society, please give some indication that you've done any research whatsoever on this. Otherwise, it's not clear what you accept and what you don't. It takes a lot of ... | OK, I'll go for the obvious.
Usually, these kinds of efforts are specifically to counteract the effects of common prejudices against those groups, because straight white males are already considered to be at an advantage compared to them. It's not that they want non-whites, non-gays and non-females to do worse; it's ... | 5yxtcu | CMV: Devoting resources to only those who aren't white/heterosexual is prejudice | I'm struggling with the idea of my college having an Office of Multicultural Affairs that specifically appeals to people people who aren't white or heterosexual. I see these intelligent people I know who support this sort of spending, but our conversations seem to trail off. I'm not sure if it is them being uncomfortab... | BootCollegeKid | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: We all need to use the yellow emoji
I understand the desire to express identity but that isn't something that should be pandered to.
Identity is ego and ego leads to suffering.
Am I too attached to a time when the internet was anonymising and identiless?
I think part of this is my own ego and attachment to an ... | I'm just going to pinpoint one part of your argument, since others will likely be able to talk more coherently about race and identity than I will: why does the internet need to be anonymizing/identitiless? The vast majority of the modern internet - photo-centric platforms like Instagram and Facebook, opinion-centric s... | Back when the internet was 'anonymising and identiless', it meant that everyone was assumed to be a white male until proven otherwise. Or don't you remember 'there are no girls on the internet' or G.I.R.L.s? The internet has always been about identity.
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Do we always imagine an identity when We read thoug... | dv4nrz | CMV: We all need to use the yellow emoji | I understand the desire to express identity but that isn't something that should be pandered to.
Identity is ego and ego leads to suffering.
Am I too attached to a time when the internet was anonymising and identiless?
I think part of this is my own ego and attachment to an online identity feels under threat. I thin... | Fkfkdoe73 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Economics is not a science
So science at its base is a problem solving endeavor. But there are many things that are also not a science that are also problem solving in differs. Philosophy is often problem solving but that does not necessarily make it a science. The question that must be asked is what is the diffe... | Why do differences in methodology make something not a science, in your view?
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Well if it's a science then the scientists should be agreeing on fundamentals. If the scientists agree on the fundamentals then they should be going about it the same way via the scientific method. Right? But using the scientific method... | If you want to argue with Kuhn, then Economics are a Proto-Science. Nothing wrong with that, they just have not agreed on one paradigm.
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Agree, they are on the early stages but I would say that they still have not developed fully.
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If we talk about Kuhn, they are not fully developed, but still scientific. Thi... | p48rtl | CMV: Economics is not a science | So science at its base is a problem solving endeavor. But there are many things that are also not a science that are also problem solving in differs. Philosophy is often problem solving but that does not necessarily make it a science. The question that must be asked is what is the difference between a field like philos... | UndeadSocrates | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Paid maternity/paternity leave should be the choice of the employer, not law/legislation
I believe that both men and women should not be entitled to any additional leave (outside of holiday and general sick leave i.e. being too sick to work or being at the hospital etc.) for having children and certainly shouldn'... | Employment policy is, unsurprisingly, a matter of policy. Parents are given parental leave because legislators have decided that societies with parent leave are better than those without. Why is that? There are many reasons. Here are three major reasons:
1. Governments aim to encourage childbirth and responsible child... | >they shouldn't have CHOSEN to have the child
The government disagrees. It actually wants people to choose that. Because a country needs children to thrive. Look at it the same way as benefits for veterans, its a bonus for serving your country.
The health and continued existence of the country trumps someone stingy "... | cujvxu | CMV: Paid maternity/paternity leave should be the choice of the employer, not law/legislation | I believe that both men and women should not be entitled to any additional leave (outside of holiday and general sick leave i.e. being too sick to work or being at the hospital etc.) for having children and certainly shouldn't be paid for their leave.
In the UK we have Statutory Sick Pay which enttiles workers to less... | ThumpItInTheEd | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Trump’s arrest is politically motivated.
I hate Donald Trump. I think he’s a criminal, and deserves to be in jail. His [arrest](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/30/nyregion/indictment-meaning-trump-arrest.html) is a good thing for the rule of law. But given the recent news of his indictment today it all felt to co... | It appears you think Trump SHOULD be arrested, do you think there is any situation where you would not think it was political? If we accept that all the charges are legit, and these charges are worthy of being arrested, how is it “political”? Generally when someone says that it means the charges or claimed are unjust o... | if he hadn't been president at the time, wouldn't he likely have been charged with Cohen years ago?
Now, the state of NY has a lot of issues with statutes of limitation to deal with. Maybe, under different circumstances, they would choose to let the case go, rather than deal with those. I don't know. Its not my are... | 1275kht | CMV: Trump’s arrest is politically motivated. | I hate Donald Trump. I think he’s a criminal, and deserves to be in jail. His [arrest](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/30/nyregion/indictment-meaning-trump-arrest.html) is a good thing for the rule of law. But given the recent news of his indictment today it all felt to convenient.
I think he did conspire to pay Stor... | Throwway-support | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: People incarcerated for marijuana related crimes in states where marijuana is now legal should be released.
There are many people who are currently incarcerated due to marijuana related crimes, in states where marijuana is now legal. It doesn't seem fair to them to continue to imprison them since the crimes they ... | > It doesn't seem fair to them to continue to imprison them since the crimes they are being punished for are not longer considered crimes.
Nearly all actions that were severe enough to receive jail time over, remain illegal even in recreational legal states. Possessing more than an ounce, sales, and trafficking betw... | Devil's Advocate: our system runs on plea bargains, so someone serving time for marijuana possession may have been arrested for sexual assault and then plea bargained down to marijuana possession. Would it bother you to let random non-drug-related offenders go simply because drugs are their listed reason for being inc... | cuhfja | CMV: People incarcerated for marijuana related crimes in states where marijuana is now legal should be released. | There are many people who are currently incarcerated due to marijuana related crimes, in states where marijuana is now legal. It doesn't seem fair to them to continue to imprison them since the crimes they are being punished for are not longer considered crimes. If they had committed the act that led to their imprisonm... | formulawanker | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: People incarcerated for marijuana related crimes in states where marijuana is now legal should be released.
There are many people who are currently incarcerated due to marijuana related crimes, in states where marijuana is now legal. It doesn't seem fair to them to continue to imprison them since the crimes they ... | > It doesn't seem fair to them to continue to imprison them since the crimes they are being punished for are not longer considered crimes.
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CMV: Shortages of drinking water in the United States will happen relatively soon
While the drought in California has recently abated, it certainly won't be the last one.
Climate change will continue to cause worsening extreme weather conditions, including drought.
We're depleting water tables much faster than they ... | Desalination of sea water costs a penny for 2-4 gallons. If freshwater stores run out, that may make lawns too expensive but will still be affordable for drinking water. And technology will improve the efficiency. I don't want to downplay environmental issues, but drinking water will not be unaffordable.
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That's not true, some commercial water is prioritized over others, and pools and lawns are given the least priority; but drinking and cleaning water is given the highest priority.
> investors are even buying things like almond growing operations simply to get access to ... | 5yvayl | CMV: Shortages of drinking water in the United States will happen relatively soon | While the drought in California has recently abated, it certainly won't be the last one.
Climate change will continue to cause worsening extreme weather conditions, including drought.
We're depleting water tables much faster than they can possibly refill.
The dismantling of the EPA could feasibly lead to increased l... | Don_Machetazo | 5 | 2 | [
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CMV: Banning “being gay” vs. various same-sex sexual acts is a highly material distinction
There are, as far as I know, no jurisdictions on Earth that ban “being gay”, jurisdictions do not generally ban self-reported identity labels, as this would be very easy to circumvent, but ban actions. There are various jurisdic... | If you identify as gay, wouldn’t that be probable cause to assume you do gay acts. It’s like saying “ I am a thief, but I don’t steal.” If you openly identified as being gay in countries where it’s taboo, you will most likely be arrested whether you did anything or not. It’s not like the police have to see you in the a... | Banning the expression of a thing is the equivalent of banning a thing itself. If we were to outlaw speaking the French language, we would be banning the French language itself despite the fact that you may still know French.
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Apparently not, as see the many distinctions I raised which would result in a highly dif... | p48xvs | CMV: Banning “being gay” vs. various same-sex sexual acts is a highly material distinction | There are, as far as I know, no jurisdictions on Earth that ban “being gay”, jurisdictions do not generally ban self-reported identity labels, as this would be very easy to circumvent, but ban actions. There are various jurisdictions however that criminalize or otherwise put legal consequences on various same-sex sexua... | behold_the_castrato | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Student debt should not be cancelled.
A lot of the sources and sentiments I am exposed to on this issue seem to be along the lines of this being something that should be done and that not doing it is cruel and wrong. The way i see it, nobody forced these students into debt. They chose a higher level of education ... | I think you aren't accounting for how pressured kids feel to take on these loans and the degree to which they are portrayed as "not a big deal". I'm sure this has changed a bit since I was in high school (graduated 2004), but when I was finished high school and looking at college myself and my peer group did indeed hav... | > Would it be nice, for sure, but is it owed to them?!
Who specifically is saying its owed to them?
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I think it’s the way I see the argument phrased. That the system is unfair, the prices are too high, that these people were duped and that they didn’t know they wouldn’t be able to easily pay it off. They are then... | mqq2g8 | CMV: Student debt should not be cancelled. | A lot of the sources and sentiments I am exposed to on this issue seem to be along the lines of this being something that should be done and that not doing it is cruel and wrong. The way i see it, nobody forced these students into debt. They chose a higher level of education and that costs money. They may not have know... | WorldwidePartier | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: People Shouldn't Be Offended When Others Criticise/Debate Their Religion
So, I have noticed that many people who are religious get offended if someone with a different view to them criticises their religion. In my current view, this shouldn't happen at all. People shouldn't be offended by criticism in the slighte... | It depends on how it is criticised. For example if someone says 'Hey I disagree with law x or I feel that doctrine y is unfair. Could you elaborate why you think they are ok ?' then most people wouldn't get angry and might be willing to debate.
If someone says 'fuCk ofF yUR sKy DaDdY iSnT rEaL' most people would feel ... | Feeling offended is an emotional reaction, no? Are you essentially attempting to invalidate their emotional stance? Isn't this basically being a thought police?
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But why would anyone be offended over religious criticism? It doesn't make sense.
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CMV: People Shouldn't Be Offended When Others Criticise/Debate Their Religion
So, I have noticed that many people who are religious get offended if someone with a different view to them criticises their religion. In my current view, this shouldn't happen at all. People shouldn't be offended by criticism in the slighte... | Are you sure it's not *how* people criticize their religion that makes them offended?
There's a difference between saying, "I'm sorry, but I just can't hold with the idea of an eye for an eye" and "lol ur god is a fairy tale and u r a dumass 4 believing lol u stupid tho"
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But why would anyone be offended over religious criticism? It doesn't make sense.
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The issue is that one is a destructive form of criticism and deba... | o6el0r | CMV: People Shouldn't Be Offended When Others Criticise/Debate Their Religion | So, I have noticed that many people who are religious get offended if someone with a different view to them criticises their religion. In my current view, this shouldn't happen at all. People shouldn't be offended by criticism in the slightest, but instead consider the critique given by the other person.Some religious ... | AbiLovesTheology | 11 | 11 | [
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CMV: DoorDash's tip system works basically the same as restaurants
With the recent controversy over the way DoorDash handles tips, I'm confused why people are so angry with DoorDash while not showing the same anger towards restaurants. My view is that the way DoorDash uses tips to be able to pay drivers less is almost... | Door dash drivers have no minimum wage guarantee like wait staff do
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Drivers are given a guaranteed minimum on each delivery, which still seems very similar.
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One is government policy and one is company policy. One being the law and one being subject to the whims of capitalism. I would say those are substanti... | [deleted]
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In my opinion this is an argument that they are different because we expect it with restaurants but we don't expect it with delivery drivers. This difference lies in how tipping culture is perceived for different jobs but not a difference in the actual business practices. DoorDash only gets to withhold ... | cuj23c | CMV: DoorDash's tip system works basically the same as restaurants | With the recent controversy over the way DoorDash handles tips, I'm confused why people are so angry with DoorDash while not showing the same anger towards restaurants. My view is that the way DoorDash uses tips to be able to pay drivers less is almost exactly the same as how restaurants use tips to be able to pay serv... | ThePlaystation0 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The U.S. would be much better off if religion kept out of public policy
So this will probably upset many people, but that is not the intent of this thread. My intent is to start a conversation on something I hold very dear to me. As someone who used to be an evangelical Christian (now an agnostic atheist) and exp... | How would divorce people's personal beliefs from their religion? Religion is going to inherently shape those beliefs. So how far do you want to go to separate them?
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CMV: Desegregation is the worst thing to happen to African Americans.
CHANGE MY VIEW: Desegregation is the worst thing to happen to African Americans. It has forced the African American community to stop relying on each other and pouring into their own communities. It has given African Americans the viewpoint that the... | Us humans we are tribal animals. It is in our genetics. If your ancestors were friendly with unknown tribes. They probably didn't procreate because it was very dangerous. The fear of foreign tribes is literally in our genes.
This is where racism, classism, xenophobia, nationalism etc. All those fun things come from ou... | One could certainly make the case that the *worst* thing to happen to African-Americans was being kidnapped from Africa and then being worked to death in plantations.
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You think they would have rather have had their ancestors stay in Africa? I mean, it’s not an easy place to live in 2022.
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Are you serious? T... | vilobl | CMV: Desegregation is the worst thing to happen to African Americans. | CHANGE MY VIEW: Desegregation is the worst thing to happen to African Americans. It has forced the African American community to stop relying on each other and pouring into their own communities. It has given African Americans the viewpoint that they can be equal to white Americans whom still have an advantage day to d... | Additional_Study392 | 6 | 6 | [
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CMV: eSports has no place in the Olympics, does not deserve the same prestige as regular sports
Nearly every year, there seems to be another effort by lobbyists on behalf of the eSports industry to get get their games some sort of official recognized status in the Olympics. I don't think it deserves to be treated on p... | \#4 - what does it matter if there are bugs? There are bugs in many olympic sports. People are gaming the rules all the time in many or most sports. Rules get adjusted / bugs get fixed. If someone is exploiting a bug it would be no different than some of the advanced doping schemes at places like the Nike running c... | >most sports are healthy forms of exercise.
In moderation. To the degrees that professional athletes practice them, they certainly are not. American football players have legions of brain injuries, basketball players severely damage their knees, etc. It's true across every major sport.
Plus, there's a lot of research... | duzdes | CMV: eSports has no place in the Olympics, does not deserve the same prestige as regular sports | Nearly every year, there seems to be another effort by lobbyists on behalf of the eSports industry to get get their games some sort of official recognized status in the Olympics. I don't think it deserves to be treated on par with most regular sports. I'm not saying eSports is an load of shit or nothing like that, but ... | [deleted] | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Some culture is morally better and superior than others.
In the modern framework of society, culturally relativistic points of view are thought and labelled to be more tolerant and generally more positive. I understand that cultural relativism and moral relativism are useful framework from which we view the *indi... | Culture isn't a vacuum. It is based upon the collective beliefs and attitudes of people more broadly.
Your assertions of 'this is better' doesn't seem to have a particular method of determining what is better and how. You are basing better on the personal views which you have as far as I can see. Which ultimately doe... | All you have proven is that, in one respect, one culture is superior to another. You have not proven that culture is superior to another in all respects.
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It is near impossible to list out every single aspect of culture and quantify morality out of it. The reason I particularly picked American South 100-200 years ... | y6o3z2 | CMV: Some culture is morally better and superior than others. | In the modern framework of society, culturally relativistic points of view are thought and labelled to be more tolerant and generally more positive. I understand that cultural relativism and moral relativism are useful framework from which we view the *individual and isolated* cultural practices that are different from... | Queendrakumar | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: The only strength of Mandarin Chinese Language is that it is widely spoken.
Mandarin Chinese has the largest number of 1st Language speakers in the world. In my view, this is its only strength. Out of the 4 languages I have some knowledge in, English (fluent), German (Fluent), Norwegian (very basic conversation) ... | While I completely agree that Mandarin is overall an extremely inefficient language. I can think of one strength it has that I appreciated while trying to learn it: grammar.
The grammar is extremely simple, formulaic, and clear. The measure words are a bit of a pain. But for the most part the grammar was extremely easy... | Your homophone critique is misplaced, because most characters do not correspond to an English *word* but to an english partial word such as a root, suffix, prefix, name etc. (This is an error made by 99% of foreign students learning Chinese).
Learning single characters and their listed meanings is like memorizing a l... | 5o9uct | CMV: The only strength of Mandarin Chinese Language is that it is widely spoken. | Mandarin Chinese has the largest number of 1st Language speakers in the world. In my view, this is its only strength. Out of the 4 languages I have some knowledge in, English (fluent), German (Fluent), Norwegian (very basic conversation) and Chinese (learnt for 2 years but now have lost most proficiency), it is the wor... | MisterFro9 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: The European-style "free" higher education proposed by Bernie, among others, would never work in the US.
I'm quite liberal but I think that this is a unattainable goal for a number of reasons, primarily:
1. American College culture. Americans expect and place value on the college experience, and that costs a ton... | I’m not sure you know much about university in other countries. They have those things as well. They’re not cultural wastelands that only focus on basic academic requirements.
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Yes, I went to university in Europe. We had all of that stuff. My 8000-student university had 40 sports clubs, dozens of hobby groups, a c... | If you take a poll of current and future college students, asking if they’d rather go in to tens of thousands of dollars of debt or have a less state of the art football stadium, what do you think the results would be?
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I'd definitely be interested to find out but I think you'd be unpleasantly surprised considerin... | ekdjrc | CMV: The European-style "free" higher education proposed by Bernie, among others, would never work in the US. | I'm quite liberal but I think that this is a unattainable goal for a number of reasons, primarily:
1. American College culture. Americans expect and place value on the college experience, and that costs a ton of money. Dorms, stadiums, sports teams, Greek life, drama clubs, student newspapers, political/religious/hobb... | softhackle | 2 | 2 | [
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CMV: Cyberbullying should not be codified as a crime in any democracy.
A number of states in the United States, for example, actually declare cyberbullying as a crime or misdemeanor to varying degrees.
My hot take here is that cyber bullying should not even be a crime. It should only be considered a violation in scho... | Why is it only a problem in workplaces where staff harmony is crucial for saving lives? Does that mean that if I work in an office where we sell paper or whatever, I should be able to bully people with no repercussions, and anyone who complains to HR is just thin skinned?
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Yes, I apologize for saying this; but the... | If Bullying people for n real life can be considered a crime, over the internet should work too. If I bully someone so hard and so relentlessly and cruelly that they commit suicide it shouldn’t matter what medium I used, it should be punishable
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I feel for any close one or relative of someone who has been bullied ... | 1ol8fco | CMV: Cyberbullying should not be codified as a crime in any democracy. | A number of states in the United States, for example, actually declare cyberbullying as a crime or misdemeanor to varying degrees.
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CMV: You shouldn’t write your name and address at funerals.
I attended a funeral for the first time in 10 years the other day and they had us sign a book with our address. I was told it was so the family could send us a Thank You card. And my thought was- hasn’t this family been through enough? The gesture is very nic... | Do it. Leave your name & address. It's a guest book so the family can look back on who attended the funeral (most people are in a fog & won't remember who was there). Also - thank you notes are going to be written (to at least some people) - and it's easier to have the addresses, instead of "tracking them down."
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I’m not against the work of sending thank yous. I get that it’s a kind, not necessary gesture. (why not just send a text or give them a call?) But I get it.
I’m talking more emotionally. If a loved one of mine passed, the last thing I’d want to do is thumb through 100 pages of names and addresses and ... | ekdam9 | CMV: You shouldn’t write your name and address at funerals. | I attended a funeral for the first time in 10 years the other day and they had us sign a book with our address. I was told it was so the family could send us a Thank You card. And my thought was- hasn’t this family been through enough? The gesture is very nice but I don’t want them to feel obligated to write 500 Thank ... | grapesodaax | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Screen quotas shouldn't exist
If you're from the US, you may not know what I'm talking about, as this isn't the most relevant discussion there. So basically what I'm talking about are policies that x amount of films shown in cinemas have to be national. Screen quotas shouldn't exist because
* They're limiting fr... | Are you arguing that they shouldn't exist anywhere, that they shouldn't exist in a certain non-US country, or that they shouldn't exist in the US? Because all of the movies you mentioned are US-based films, which would be encouraged in US theaters by US Screen Quotas.
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I'm saying the policy I described shouldn't e... | > They're limiting freedom of expression.
But the inverse is that the cinema is over-saturated with foreign films, which *also* limits freedom of expression.
> The government shouldn't get to intervene at all when it comes to what people watch
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CMV: the smoking age in America is stupid.
We all know America’s infamous 21+ law where you have to be 21 or older to purchase alcohol or smoke. The drinking alcohol thing I can slightly understand because of drunk driving, and ever since they made its 21+ drunk driving accidents have gone down 16%. What I do not unde... | Well secondhand smoke is almost as bad as smoking a cigarette yourself. Plus, kids are stupid. Cigarettes are a fire hazard and often contribute to litter. That age group is probably more likely to be buying cigs for younger people as well. Not saying a 21 year old is much different from a 18-20 year old but, in my opi... | The main justification for raising the age to 21 was to prevent access for teens in high school. The thinking was if the smoking age was 18, cigarettes and e-cigarettes would fall in the hands of minors much more frequently than if the was age was 21.
While I don’t agree with the increased age, I see the logic- even i... | 1mcygj5 | CMV: the smoking age in America is stupid. | We all know America’s infamous 21+ law where you have to be 21 or older to purchase alcohol or smoke. The drinking alcohol thing I can slightly understand because of drunk driving, and ever since they made its 21+ drunk driving accidents have gone down 16%. What I do not understand is smoking vapes or cigarettes. Smoki... | Flinn2 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV : eugenic practices should be viewed more positively as a tool to help push human evolution forward, especially when combined with breakthroughs in genetic engineering
A lot of the negative sentiment against eugenic practices really boils down to 2 major factions :
A) who are we to determine a favourable trait to... | The downside of eugenics is always that only some portion of the population will and will not receive that benefit thus creating two races. One master race and one slave race.
Unless there is a plan to overcome that problem it will most likely outweigh any benefit from the actual eugenics process.
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I'd say the d... | Finally, the wealthy will be able to rule the world. #eyeroll
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Why would they ? Do the healthiest people currently rule the world as a result of modern medicine ? If eugenic practices are available to the public like any other form of medicine then I don't see your point | dut2bz | CMV : eugenic practices should be viewed more positively as a tool to help push human evolution forward, especially when combined with breakthroughs in genetic engineering | A lot of the negative sentiment against eugenic practices really boils down to 2 major factions :
A) who are we to determine a favourable trait to promote or an unwelcome trait to cancel ?
B) that people conflate Eugenia with the Nazi ideology of creating a master race
On the former note : while there's a lot of gr... | ahtemsah | 2 | 2 | [
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CMV: the covid vaccine should be mandatory
i think that it should be illegal to refuse the covid-19 vaccine due to public health concerns. here in the USA, we have a ton of uneducated people who spread misinformation about the vaccine and because of them we may never reach herd immunity. i wish that the government cou... | What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Are you saying the government should have a right to force someone to undergo some sort of medical procedure? If this is the case then someone could make an argument for eugenics and the same legislation that forces people to get a vaccine could force sterilization.
I... | If you're worried about getting sick, *you* can get the vaccine. If that doesn't satisfy you, *you* can wear a space suit to Walmart
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i got the vaccine, but not everyone has that luxury
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They can wear a space suit too, then. If they're that badly immunocompromised, they've got a lot more than just covid to wo... | mqdbko | CMV: the covid vaccine should be mandatory | i think that it should be illegal to refuse the covid-19 vaccine due to public health concerns. here in the USA, we have a ton of uneducated people who spread misinformation about the vaccine and because of them we may never reach herd immunity. i wish that the government could force these people to get the vaccine. iv... | etazhi_ | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: The Right of Return is an Illusion, Not an Inalienable Right
I believe that the concept of an inalienable Right of Return is fundamentally flawed, because that right, which people often quote documents like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR), is rendered functionally alienable (removable) by a sover... | I mean from a realist perspective all rights are removable by sovereign state/barrel of a gun. A right of return is no different.
It’s not an illusion, it’s an ideal. It being violated doesn’t make it a flawed. If I have a concept “let’s not murder anybody”, the fact that some people still commit murders doesn’t mak... | Inalienable always means in a legal sense. You can take away any right illegally by shooting someone. That denies all their rights.
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However, all these rights are taken away aren't they?
Kuwait strips citizens based on their existing laws (which they have been applying liberally).
South Korea banned singer ba... | 1okkprg | CMV: The Right of Return is an Illusion, Not an Inalienable Right | I believe that the concept of an inalienable Right of Return is fundamentally flawed, because that right, which people often quote documents like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR), is rendered functionally alienable (removable) by a sovereign state every single day.
**1. Right to Return is Nullified by ... | Bitter-Goat-8773 | 4 | 4 | [
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CMV: Significant others shouldn’t have the power to enforce consequences on each other
1. It’s pointless. It’s not like the other party would actually abide by the consequences that you give. The other party should be old enough to do whatever they want, and there is nothing that you would be able to do to stop them f... | "If you X (or don't X), I will leave you".
That's kind of the ultimate relationship consequence, isn't it? And isn't it a consequence enforced by the other partner?
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But that exact argument is manipulative. It makes you worry that if they X (or not X) the other party’s emotional health will be crushed because th... | Could you give an example? Isn't people not enforcing consequences on their significant others how it already happens?
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“I’ll take away your phone if you don’t respond to my texts in 15 minutes”
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Well yeah, that sounds abusive. Why would you want your view changed on that? | p3yyec | CMV: Significant others shouldn’t have the power to enforce consequences on each other | 1. It’s pointless. It’s not like the other party would actually abide by the consequences that you give. The other party should be old enough to do whatever they want, and there is nothing that you would be able to do to stop them from doing so without getting yourself into legal trouble.
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CMV: The N-Word (hard 'r') is the most powerful word in the English language
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I'm not particularly committed to this opinion, but I thought it would be funny to share and see if anyone can convince me otherwise.
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N-Word would probably not actually have the most powerful response.
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While I agree, that's not really the definition of power that I am using here. I'm specifically talking... | Not about to type something that could put me on a watch list. The N-word isn't that.
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Not sure what single word could put you on a watch list (regardless of context).
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Various ways of saying you're going to commit murder. Edit: Particularly of someone(s) important. | vikbbo | CMV: The N-Word (hard 'r') is the most powerful word in the English language | ​
I'm not particularly committed to this opinion, but I thought it would be funny to share and see if anyone can convince me otherwise.
The way I'm defining power here is: "ability to provoke a violent/aggressive reaction from either the speaker or listener".
I can't think of any word in which when utter to... | RhinoNomad | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The standard of having fancy table manners is stupid
As a person who has spent my entire life in the United States, I am aware of and am supposed to follow "table manners", a bunch of traditions where you have to hold utensils in a certain way, restrict body placements such as elbows not on the table, etc. to not... | The trick, like anything, is to know your audience.
If you’re in professional company, table manners serve a purpose to show that you know when NOT to be casual and that you are taking appearance and decorum seriously. This can demonstrate that you’re capable of maintaining a professional attitude in other situatio... | Your number 3 is correct. The whole point is to gain, and maintain, the approval of others.
As long as social fitness is important, table manner is not stupid.
If everybody forgot about table manner today. It will just simply be replaced with another thing.
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But the issue I have with table manners is the current... | ayyyfa | CMV: The standard of having fancy table manners is stupid | As a person who has spent my entire life in the United States, I am aware of and am supposed to follow "table manners", a bunch of traditions where you have to hold utensils in a certain way, restrict body placements such as elbows not on the table, etc. to not be judged. I feel like fancy table manners are stupid for ... | a_flying_stegosaurus | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Being rich in itself is not inherently bad. What you do with the money is what matters.
I’ll admit, I’m not super well versed in the economic “why” but it seems like the consensus is that rich people are evil. I get the sentiment, that nobody should have so much while others receive so little. I do however, disag... | The idea is less that the rich people are evil, and more that there is a limited number of resources, and they are hording many resources (translated into money in many cases) that others could be using. The problem lies there, not with the morality of the person in question.
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Ohhhh ok so you’re saying the view th... | Why should one person have so much more control over resources than everyone else? Why should Bill Gates be the sole arbiter of what charitable causes get funded and have huge extra-governmental impacts on the policies other nations uptake?
Why should we not instead have a more democratic system of distributing goods?... | duegvx | CMV: Being rich in itself is not inherently bad. What you do with the money is what matters. | I’ll admit, I’m not super well versed in the economic “why” but it seems like the consensus is that rich people are evil. I get the sentiment, that nobody should have so much while others receive so little. I do however, disagree with the idea that being rich itself is the problem, and not the sociopathic tendencies of... | Tehlaserw0lf | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Fasting for Religious Reasons is Bonkers
Hi everyone so I have a view that’s been developing and getting more prevalent in my mind the past couple of weeks. My boyfriend practices Ramadan. Today is the first day and I am not looking forward to this month. I will see him less and I’m sad that he can’t do all the t... | As Christians, it's our job to strive to be more like Jesus.
Jesus fasted often. It's not required by any stretch of the imagination, But it reminds us that we "shall not live on bread alone"
And fasting for 12 hours does not harm your body
Edit: I know you're talking about ramadan, but your title said religions.
... | > If the purpose is to build strength couldn’t their be other more productive ways to do this and increase discipline?
If your issue is strictly with religious fasting, why ask this question? Do you view all fasting as unproductive?
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I have an issue with fasting to connect with the poor and religion reasons speci... | mqc79c | CMV: Fasting for Religious Reasons is Bonkers | Hi everyone so I have a view that’s been developing and getting more prevalent in my mind the past couple of weeks. My boyfriend practices Ramadan. Today is the first day and I am not looking forward to this month. I will see him less and I’m sad that he can’t do all the the things he usually does with me like working ... | fersonfigg | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: The common folks in England should celebrate the American Independence Day
It was mostly English common folks, probably of the higher classes because they had to be able to afford to sail across a large body of water, that sailed to the United States and began the 13 colonies. The common English folks of today sh... | Why would any english person be glad english soliders died?
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They wouldn't but they would be glad that other English people had the audacity to fight for their rights against the king, making them feel as if they too could fight for their rights in England.
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Do you know english people?
Every year we have... | Would you celebrate the Queen's birthday?
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Nope. But that's because I'm an immigrant of this country.
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So the English should celebrate American events but not the other way around?
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The English common folks, yes.
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There's a little bit of a disconnect between modern America vs the English that le... | 8w7zzb | CMV: The common folks in England should celebrate the American Independence Day | It was mostly English common folks, probably of the higher classes because they had to be able to afford to sail across a large body of water, that sailed to the United States and began the 13 colonies. The common English folks of today should celebrate their brethrens of the past for standing up for the rights of the ... | mcpon14 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Government owning the 'means of production' is different from Workers owning it.
I'm not intending to debate Socialism vs. Capitalism, but I notice advocates of Socialism often claim that they support the idea of "workers" owning various enterprises for which they work, instead of financiers. I don't necessaril... | Government ownership of the means of production can count as worker ownership _if_ the workers control the government. Essentially all forms of socialism in which the government owns/controls the means of production have the workers controlling the government. That is, the government is the mechanism through which the ... | In a democratic society the government represents the wishes of the populace. Therefore if the government were to own the means of production in a democratic society functionally it would be similar to workers owning it.
I live in the United States. Most Americans would believe democracy is the best decision makin... | y5x4bk | CMV: Government owning the 'means of production' is different from Workers owning it. | I'm not intending to debate Socialism vs. Capitalism, but I notice advocates of Socialism often claim that they support the idea of "workers" owning various enterprises for which they work, instead of financiers. I don't necessarily disagree in some cases, but as I understand it, this describes something more along ... | gray_clouds | 6 | 6 | [
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CMV: Cellphones shouldn't be allowed in classrooms
So recently here in Ontario Canada a law just got passed that banned cellphone use in classrooms aside from certain health and emergency services. I personally think this is absolutely on point and a great step to help kids stay on point to keep them focused but kind ... | What about schools where you bring your own laptop?
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I already pointed that out that when I was in high school some kids were allowed laptops to write notes and record lessons.
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You mentioned laptops on which educational software was installed, I'm talking about peoples own laptops, without such spy-/malware.... | 1. Phones are important for communication. Banning means their guardians won't be able to reach out to them if they need or in case of an emergency. Going through the school to reach out the kid is impractical to say the least. It can even be a problem in certain situations.
2. Phones are, usually, connected to the in... | dsl7yw | CMV: Cellphones shouldn't be allowed in classrooms | So recently here in Ontario Canada a law just got passed that banned cellphone use in classrooms aside from certain health and emergency services. I personally think this is absolutely on point and a great step to help kids stay on point to keep them focused but kind of unnecessary considering technology has been aroun... | KyleCAV | 9 | 9 | [
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CMV: Regardless of left or right, EVERYONE should be worried about 3 of Trump's policies.
Really want honest opinions. I try to keep an open mind about political stuff, and I know how easy it is to get sucked into media hysteria. But I feel that policy statements from the Trump administration are as close as we can ... | With respect to your first point, much of Trump's primary core of supporters stands to gain massively from more oil/gas/coal work. Many, many Americans are out of work because, while we have the physical infrastructure (power plants, oil refineries, etc.) to give them jobs in dirty energy, we don't process enough dirty... | > "The Trump Administration is committed to reducing violent crime... Our country needs more law enforcement, more community engagement, and more effective policing. Our job is not to make life more comfortable for the rioter, the looter, or the violent disrupter."
> (My take: A solid message, but this suggests new la... | 5pmkc7 | CMV: Regardless of left or right, EVERYONE should be worried about 3 of Trump's policies. | Really want honest opinions. I try to keep an open mind about political stuff, and I know how easy it is to get sucked into media hysteria. But I feel that policy statements from the Trump administration are as close as we can get to evidence of what's actually to come, and I can't understand how people on both sides... | OhNoDinos | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Kanye isn't crazy. He is just another rich asshole
The whole internet has been sharing his antisemitic tweets at first, now we have an interview where he triples down on the antisemitism. Then he also had to pull George Floyd into the mix for some reason.
I have seen a lot of people making excuses for him "oh h... | 1. He can be both
2. He was hospitalized in 2016 and diagnosed with bipolar disorder. Whether that does or doesn’t have anything to do with his recent behavior, it’s fairly undeniable that he suffers from mental illness.
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His recent behaviour seems very planned. Stirs up as much controversy as possible, makes him... | He's both. He's diagnosed bipolar so obviously mentally ill. But he's also a rich arsehole with bigoted views who likes attention seeking (like most celebs).
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From what I know about BD. It makes you have episodes where you swing from depression to mania or reverse. His rants make his sound delusional and detached ... | y6abgv | CMV: Kanye isn't crazy. He is just another rich asshole | The whole internet has been sharing his antisemitic tweets at first, now we have an interview where he triples down on the antisemitism. Then he also had to pull George Floyd into the mix for some reason.
I have seen a lot of people making excuses for him "oh he needs help", "it's a manic episode" ,"people are exploi... | JadedToon | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Access to abortion should not be justified using religious freedom claims
Recently, I've seen several posts and articles about different religious groups arguing that abortion bans infringe on their religious freedoms. For example, the [Satanaic temple](https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/u0mpfu/... | Opposotion to abortion is largly religious. They are simply flipping the script.
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I recognize that anti-abortion support is largely fueled by religion but it doesn't mean that the lawsuit has merit. I also think that abortion bans should not be justified by religious claims.
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Generally, If the government want... | > Religious freedom is not a get out of jail free card
> I'm mainly talking about the USA here
These statements are inherently contradictory if we look at what's happened/happening in the US.
> under-age marriage (although depending on the state and age there may be some debate on this last one)
Oh there sure as s... | vidpem | CMV: Access to abortion should not be justified using religious freedom claims | Recently, I've seen several posts and articles about different religious groups arguing that abortion bans infringe on their religious freedoms. For example, the [Satanaic temple](https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/u0mpfu/yeah_im_gonna_need_an_update_on_this/) and [Jewish groups](https://www.miamihera... | fp-fp | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The onslaught of AI technology in so many pieces of our lives and the devices we use is more than an economic bubble: it encapsulates the loss of intelligence and critical thinking skills of the general population in our day and age.
I will admit there are some uses of "AI" (it's not really AI if you're strict to... | What was giving you the impression that people were intelligent or capable of critical thinking before AI?
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I suppose I'm speaking from my own bias here, but in my opinion, "intelligence" isn't necessarily the knowledge of facts, but the willingness to learn and adapt to knew information. America specifically has ... | Do you know how large language models works in reality? ELI5: They take some learning material and then try to reproduce it by guessing the most common answer or next word. This means that they produce an average answer based on learning set.
If answer what you get is of an average writer and you are above average int... | 1okmwbu | CMV: The onslaught of AI technology in so many pieces of our lives and the devices we use is more than an economic bubble: it encapsulates the loss of intelligence and critical thinking skills of the general population in our day and age. | I will admit there are some uses of "AI" (it's not really AI if you're strict to the studs) that are useful AND ethical; pattern recognition is a useful trait for a program to have in lots of cases. But generative AI technology (more specifically large language models, or LLMs) being pushed as a source of information i... | Evening-Back9150 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: 10 years after it's release, Watchmen still holds up today and it's one of the most underrated and influential movies of our time
After watching it on Netflix recently then watching it two more times, I've come to this conclusion. Yes there are hiccups through the movie such as the portrayal of Ozy and the sex sc... | no, while it might have been underrated there are far more films that are underrated and influential, not to mention that superhero movies would have and were already being made .
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its influence was minor and mostly focused on superhero movies while there are movies that define genre's
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So you think th... | Before The Watchmen, Sin City, The Blade trilogy, The Crow, Toxic Avengers, Judge Dredd, Constantine, Tank Girl, The Punisher, and 300 were all R rated comic based films.
Many were riskier productions than The Watchmen, which is one of the best known indie comics ever, and hugely overrated, imo.
The door was already... | ayx15g | CMV: 10 years after it's release, Watchmen still holds up today and it's one of the most underrated and influential movies of our time | After watching it on Netflix recently then watching it two more times, I've come to this conclusion. Yes there are hiccups through the movie such as the portrayal of Ozy and the sex scene in the owl ship, but scenes such as Rorschach's imprisonment and the opening montage over shadow the slight mishaps
Because of how ... | vinny7843 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Dogs are better pets than cats.
Here are the following reasons that I believe that dogs are the superior pets to cats.
1.) Dogs can more easily be trained than cats. They can be taught tricks that are amusing and they can be taught to be nice to humans.
2.) Cats are not supposed to be pets. In Dr. John Bradshaw... | It really depends on your lifestyle. There is no objective 'best pet'. A dog is definitely *not* best for me because I get panicky around loud noises (e.g barking) and my physical impairment would prevent me from taking it on walks every day. Constant grooming and playing is also an issue that busy and/or financially u... | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shBf4MXFmQY
Check and mate sir!
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Fly swatter > Cat > Dog is what I'm hearing. | 8w5zdq | CMV: Dogs are better pets than cats. | Here are the following reasons that I believe that dogs are the superior pets to cats.
1.) Dogs can more easily be trained than cats. They can be taught tricks that are amusing and they can be taught to be nice to humans.
2.) Cats are not supposed to be pets. In Dr. John Bradshaw's book, Cat Sense, he finds that cats... | bitcolor | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: There is no age of consent which is objectively right.
Age of consent laws vary significantly between countries and states. In my opinion, this shows that these laws have been chosen arbitrarily.
If you get caught getting it on consensually with a 14-year-old in a mall in Alabama, say goodbye to your freedom. If... | Objectively, people are different. They develop differently, they have different views, and they come to different conclusions. Because of this, different people will be capable of providing meaningful consent at different ages. Different societies will have different standards for when this happens, on average. They n... | How literally do you want us to take this position? When you say no age, do you literally mean no age? For example, is 5 just as arbitrary as 16?
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> For example, is 5 just as arbitrary as 16?
It is, if you arbitrarily choose that age.
But I'm sure one could find psychological proof that sex at age 5 is generally... | 7ehnru | CMV: There is no age of consent which is objectively right. | Age of consent laws vary significantly between countries and states. In my opinion, this shows that these laws have been chosen arbitrarily.
If you get caught getting it on consensually with a 14-year-old in a mall in Alabama, say goodbye to your freedom. If the same thing happens to you in Germany, you might get call... | trinitronbxb | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: If we want people to trust and take the covid-19 vaccines, we have to remove the profit motive from the equation.
full disclosures: I was vaccinated in April
I don't know why more people aren't talking about the fact that pfizer and Moderna profit off of every vaccine. IMO if the gov wants to even consider vacci... | How would taking profits away from the companies make the vaccines any more safe?
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Yeah that point remains unclear. I think OP's initial point was that by removing profit from the vaccine, it disarms the default anti-vax response of 'ahh it's all for profit' and that could reduce overall vaccine skepticism.
But i... | If a drug company doesn't make a profit off of creating a vaccine, why would any drug company ever create a vaccine ever again? The company needs an incentive as well.
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>why would any drug company ever create a vaccine ever again?
...to prevent people dying of disease?
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And how would they do that without mon... | p2pam1 | CMV: If we want people to trust and take the covid-19 vaccines, we have to remove the profit motive from the equation. | full disclosures: I was vaccinated in April
I don't know why more people aren't talking about the fact that pfizer and Moderna profit off of every vaccine. IMO if the gov wants to even consider vaccine mandates, they have to remove the profit motive. Profit motives in medicine have a very long and bad history of causi... | donkeybus | 4 | 4 | [
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CMV: Permanently removing any form of public art should be illegal
By forms of public art I mean video games, artwork, writing, tv shows e.t.c. Companies should not be allowed to remove any form of art that they either produced or helped publish permanently in the name of the preservation of information. No matter how... | Media going into the public domain means that the stuff inside that media goes into the public domain, too. Do you want to force Nintendo to release every single Mario game constantly in order to prevent Mario from going into the public domain?
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If Nintendo was going to permanently remove every Mario game from eve... | What video game can you name which has been removed *and* is publicly owned ?
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Battlefield bad company for example is having its servers taken offline and removed from storefronts. And since the game isn't being released in the public domain and software to create servers isn't being published the game will be ess... | 126dayr | CMV: Permanently removing any form of public art should be illegal | By forms of public art I mean video games, artwork, writing, tv shows e.t.c. Companies should not be allowed to remove any form of art that they either produced or helped publish permanently in the name of the preservation of information. No matter how bad or good a piece of art was, it would have created some amount o... | otdevy | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Documentaries like Leaving Neverland are setting an extremely dangerous precedent in which we can accuse who we want, about what we want, and then sit back and watch the subject burn.
Recently there has been a massive amount of buzz about "Leaving Neverland", a documentary in which two young men reveal they were ... | So. The eyewitness testimony of several people over several decades isn't good enough for you?
Do you need HD Video from multiple angles of someone actively molesting a child before you believe them?
I'm being serious.
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If the question is serious, then I'll give you my serious answer: Yes.
Every "eye witness... | What is the alternative you are proposing?
Bans on documentaries? A government review panel?
This is nothing new. People have been able to publish accusation since the founding of the printing press. I don’t think it’s particularly dangerous, since it’s nothing that hasn’t been possible for hundreds of years. ... | ayqz7w | CMV: Documentaries like Leaving Neverland are setting an extremely dangerous precedent in which we can accuse who we want, about what we want, and then sit back and watch the subject burn. | Recently there has been a massive amount of buzz about "Leaving Neverland", a documentary in which two young men reveal they were sexually abused by Michael Jackson. It's important to note that these are simply *allegations*, nothing has been proven as fact and nothing has been confirmed in a court of law. While there ... | Truthamania | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Women should be just as eligible as men for wartime drafts
Nowadays war is much less about hand to hand combat. Shooting somebody with a gun or tossing a grenade isn’t as physically intensive as combat has been in the past. Women are just as capable of carrying and shooting a gun as men are. A woman with a gun wo... | Can you actually point to a feminist organization that's against the inclusion of women in the draft? Women only just won (and I mean won, military women *wanted* it) the right to be in front line combat in 2016.
To extent the feminist movement has opposed drafting women it's because they *also oppose drafting men.* ... | I don't think feminists would argue that also forcing women into a form of patriarchal oppression that men experience is consistent with the pursuit of women's rights.
It would be like saying civil rights activists in the 1950s and 60s should want the freedoms of white people equally restricted rather than the restric... | wsg9vd | CMV: Women should be just as eligible as men for wartime drafts | Nowadays war is much less about hand to hand combat. Shooting somebody with a gun or tossing a grenade isn’t as physically intensive as combat has been in the past. Women are just as capable of carrying and shooting a gun as men are. A woman with a gun would make me just as afraid as a man with a gun.
Women also heav... | Vykyoko | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: For the United States, a mandatory military service would be of greater benefit to her citizens and society than harm
[Several countries have mandatory military service requirements for citizens](https://imgur.com/a/Oia2L84) such as Korea, Switzerland, Israel, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Egypt, Greece, Mexico, Singa... | Military service used to be mandatory. For instance, when we had the draft in Vietnam. The problem is that backfired tremendously. A lot of people don't want to be in the military, and they will fight hard not to be and the people who want to be there make much better soldiers. Plus, with drones and other mechanized eq... | [deleted]
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While the rich stay the rich and get away with much more, I believe you would still see a reduction especially in this class hatred that even is present in your comment if one were to read between the lines.
For example, in Korea, even celebrities, politicians, rich, poor, everyone - all has to do thei... | vhvve7 | CMV: For the United States, a mandatory military service would be of greater benefit to her citizens and society than harm | [Several countries have mandatory military service requirements for citizens](https://imgur.com/a/Oia2L84) such as Korea, Switzerland, Israel, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Egypt, Greece, Mexico, Singapore, Taiwan, Turkey, Ukraine, [etc.](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-mandatory-military-s... | cheerileelee | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Extinction of endangered species is not a bad or important thing and we shouldn't be concerned with it
*Edit: “important” is a bad word and i shouldn't have used it. Some endangered species (how many?) probably have medical uses. But in this case, we should be clear that our aim is to preserve a species specifica... | >At the point when a species is marked as endangered, the species are already insignificant to the nature, not contributing to the food chain or the environment or anything
Um that's not how that works. Like at all. A species being marked as endangered is pretty often done because the species IS significant in its env... | Science learned a lot from studying various creatures' biology, behavior and environment. For that reason it's worth some effort and resources to preserve unique species, because they may be of greater benefit for us in the future than the resources we put in.
Observe that the strongest conservation efforts tend to be... | 7ehq0q | CMV: Extinction of endangered species is not a bad or important thing and we shouldn't be concerned with it | *Edit: “important” is a bad word and i shouldn't have used it. Some endangered species (how many?) probably have medical uses. But in this case, we should be clear that our aim is to preserve a species specifically for the stuff their body produce.*
At the point when a species is marked as endangered, the species are ... | wobblyweasel | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Reddit mods censorship of opinions and Hatespeech are making things worse.
It's paradoxical intent. Hateful people that get muted end up doubling down on their views. If the mods would let them speak then maybe a discussion could happen and the hateful people using the hate speech might understand who it effects ... | Have you ever actually managed to change someone's mind about these things?
Has having a 'discussion' with the people who say these things ever produced actual results?
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Right but when hate speech that uses misinformation gets banned it should be banned because its inheritly trying to trick people. That being said most hate speech would probably be banned anyway because of the misinformation people use to justify it
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CMV: Reddit mods censorship of opinions and Hatespeech are making things worse.
It's paradoxical intent. Hateful people that get muted end up doubling down on their views. If the mods would let them speak then maybe a discussion could happen and the hateful people using the hate speech might understand who it effects ... | Are you familiar with the paradox of tolerance?
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No. I'm listening
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> The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly self-contradictory idea that in order to ... | Mod of a large subreddit of over 100,000.
Generally there is a fine line that we personally draw at “pursuing an active discourse” and “violating the very first rule of the subreddit that demands everyone be treated with a basic level of respect.”
If you can’t maintain that basic level of respect then I have zero int... | y5wrvv | CMV: Reddit mods censorship of opinions and Hatespeech are making things worse. | It's paradoxical intent. Hateful people that get muted end up doubling down on their views. If the mods would let them speak then maybe a discussion could happen and the hateful people using the hate speech might understand who it effects better or at least recognize they are in the vast minority and they'll maybe beco... | kittykittysnarfsnarf | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Academic Research of Adolescent Gender Dysphoria Treatments is Largely Biased and Misrepresented
Disclaimer: This post is not meant to be anti-transgender, anti-transitioning, nor anti-medical treatment. This post concerns the way academic research of adolescent treatment is presented by the scientific community ... | > Based on the research I've done, there is no easy answer to this question and the long-term effects are not well documented. However, I also feel that medical facilities are under-selling the risks and over-stating the benefits of these treatments due to the way the research is presented
Does the research you’ve don... | The issue with trans kids and treatment is a chicken and egg problem. We can't study long-term effects if kids aren't allowed to take them. This is a relatively recent phenomenon, so of *course* there isn't much evidence about the long-term effects. The time to have the discussion about whether or not the long-term eff... | vi93ul | CMV: Academic Research of Adolescent Gender Dysphoria Treatments is Largely Biased and Misrepresented | Disclaimer: This post is not meant to be anti-transgender, anti-transitioning, nor anti-medical treatment. This post concerns the way academic research of adolescent treatment is presented by the scientific community and consumed by the general populace. Anecdotal evidence that these treatments have worked on an indivi... | genobeam | 3 | 3 | [
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Disclaimer: This post is not meant to be anti-transgender, anti-transitioning, nor anti-medical treatment. This post concerns the way academic research of adolescent treatment is presented by the scientific community ... | >GAH/PB proponents argue that these treatments have no irreversible effects. These treatments supposedly “pause” puberty and stopping treatment at any time will resume a normal puberty
You're conflating hormones and puberty blockers in a very odd way. if you think that puberty blockers later in life is incommensurate ... | > Based on the research I've done, there is no easy answer to this question and the long-term effects are not well documented. However, I also feel that medical facilities are under-selling the risks and over-stating the benefits of these treatments due to the way the research is presented
Does the research you’ve don... | vi93ul | CMV: Academic Research of Adolescent Gender Dysphoria Treatments is Largely Biased and Misrepresented | Disclaimer: This post is not meant to be anti-transgender, anti-transitioning, nor anti-medical treatment. This post concerns the way academic research of adolescent treatment is presented by the scientific community and consumed by the general populace. Anecdotal evidence that these treatments have worked on an indivi... | genobeam | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: The left wing agenda is admirable, but now is not the time
We are in the midst of radical geopolitical changes, and threats to free society are lurking and emboldened. The house is beginning to catch fire.
I would love to live in a beautiful and renovated “house”. I want a world where the poor and downtrodden ar... | So how exactly does military spending help with climate change?
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The US military's current emissions are greater t... | See the thing is, there are those that, crazy though it may seem, a population of happy, prosperous and fully self actualised people with a well balanced physical and mental health…are good at helping a nation prosper and become powerful.
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I agree. To clarify, I’m not talking about forcing labor at gunpoint or att... | p3imur | CMV: The left wing agenda is admirable, but now is not the time | We are in the midst of radical geopolitical changes, and threats to free society are lurking and emboldened. The house is beginning to catch fire.
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We are in the midst of radical geopolitical changes, and threats to free society are lurking and emboldened. The house is beginning to catch fire.
I would love to live in a beautiful and renovated “house”. I want a world where the poor and downtrodden ar... | You are advocating for an authoritarian militaristic based US. Whether or not you realize what you are saying, the fact is you want to destroy everything good about the US.
In trying to defeat monsters, one must be careful not to become one themselves in the process.
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How is an arms race initiated by the #2 polluter ... | p3imur | CMV: The left wing agenda is admirable, but now is not the time | We are in the midst of radical geopolitical changes, and threats to free society are lurking and emboldened. The house is beginning to catch fire.
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CMV: It’s good when infotech corporations (Facebook, Twitter, Google/YouTube, etc.) police hate speech. It’s a free-market-based filter of information. There may be no better way to moderate speech and communication.
1. Infotech companies police content, but it is within their rights as private corporations. While the... | How do you know 4 is correct?
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Because there is no evidence of them suppressing correct opinions. When have they ever shot down someone for being pro-choice? Against slavery? Anti-pedophilia? These are smart people making professional content decisions.
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https://www.techdirt.com/blog/?tag=content+moderation+a... | Your idea is antithetical in-itself. You can't promote free-market and then mandate intervention.
You either let the public decide through or the government must somehow define a line in the sand. And when it comes to "hateful speech" that's just impossible.
What offends me, might not offend you. What offends you, m... | ek0z4l | CMV: It’s good when infotech corporations (Facebook, Twitter, Google/YouTube, etc.) police hate speech. It’s a free-market-based filter of information. There may be no better way to moderate speech and communication. | 1. Infotech companies police content, but it is within their rights as private corporations. While the phone company cannot do the same, that’s only because laws prevent it. The same laws do not apply to infotech platforms that have TOS agreements.
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CMV: "Taxation is theft" is bullshit according to the people who say it, and otherwise a useless statement
The normal "taxation is theft" argument is that because we do not consent to it, it's (morally) theft. Whenever I see someone pushed on this argument they always seem to end up retreating to the position that the... | It is simple.... libertarians do not view wage labour as a coerced relationship. It is a contract. Taxation is carried out by threat of violence.
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The argument against this would be that it's only a contract between one of the many places that will exploit you. You don't have a choice whether ... | I don’t think your analogy quite holds up.
If you don’t “consent” to wage labor, the government doesn’t do anything. If you don’t “consent” to taxation, the government throws you in prison. I think that’s what people have an issue with.
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CMV: Australia is not an island
Fairly simple one. I was just watching a news piece about Australia, and they used a line I haven't heard since I was a kid, and didn't realise how much I disagreed with; "the world's largest island".
It is purely too massive to not be considered a land mass, rather than an island. And... | So if the definition of an island is,
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1. Is Australia a piece of land? Yes
2. Is it surrounded by water? Yes
Therefore it meets all the criteria to be considered an island and is in fact an island.
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But then the word island is meaningless and is synonymous with the word lan... | [deleted]
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It is purely too massive to not be considered a land mass, rather than an island. And if it is an island, then, what i... | sentientfeet | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: for most scientific conference presentations, especially the more technical ones, a poster is a better format than a talk.
View overturned: see the points made about narrative vs visual.
Edit: my username seems to be misleading, so I'll clarify that I'm not in physics, but hydrology.
Clarification: I mean poste... | These conferences are both to share ideas, but also to gain experience material to your field. I'd suggest that both are great and everyone should have to do both:
1. the poster encourages being visual, terse and creating materials that tell the story by themselves.
2. the presentation enables narrative form, verbal ... | The point of a conference *is* to talk. If you want to absorb the full information, all of the data and understand completely all of the equations you just read the paper (or set of papers) that high-level talks normally reference and are based on. Why would I go read a poster for a limited amount of time and while wai... | vi6ez7 | CMV: for most scientific conference presentations, especially the more technical ones, a poster is a better format than a talk. | View overturned: see the points made about narrative vs visual.
Edit: my username seems to be misleading, so I'll clarify that I'm not in physics, but hydrology.
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CMV:It is dumb to say it is a waste or privilege to vote third party.
First off, I am a libertarian and what I see commonly on the internet (mostly Twitter) is a large amount of people saying that if you vote third party you are “wasting your vote” or you are “privileged”.
To address the “wasting your vote” part of ... | People say that voting 3rd party is a privileged thing to do because it means your lifestyle isn't threatened by any of the candidates. Some people like LGBT people and ethnic minorities (not everyone in those groups but some people) would have their lives negatively impacted by a certain candidate winning. They might ... | If someone votes for a small party who they know full well will never win, it’s hard to say it’s not a pointless vote. But wasted?
I know people who vote Green Party in uk, they know green will never win but that’s who they’d prefer so they vote. Fair enough I guess.
But maybe it would be wiser to decide who of the t... | mq399n | CMV:It is dumb to say it is a waste or privilege to vote third party. | First off, I am a libertarian and what I see commonly on the internet (mostly Twitter) is a large amount of people saying that if you vote third party you are “wasting your vote” or you are “privileged”.
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First off, I am a libertarian and what I see commonly on the internet (mostly Twitter) is a large amount of people saying that if you vote third party you are “wasting your vote” or you are “privileged”.
To address the “wasting your vote” part of ... | People say that voting 3rd party is a privileged thing to do because it means your lifestyle isn't threatened by any of the candidates. Some people like LGBT people and ethnic minorities (not everyone in those groups but some people) would have their lives negatively impacted by a certain candidate winning. They might ... | "Privileged" means *your* life won't be changed by the outcome of the election, so you can vote for whoever most closely aligns with your views - even if it's someone without a realistic shot of winning.
It means you're financially secure enough that it doesn't matter that your idealistic vote realistically helps elec... | mq399n | CMV:It is dumb to say it is a waste or privilege to vote third party. | First off, I am a libertarian and what I see commonly on the internet (mostly Twitter) is a large amount of people saying that if you vote third party you are “wasting your vote” or you are “privileged”.
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First off, I am a libertarian and what I see commonly on the internet (mostly Twitter) is a large amount of people saying that if you vote third party you are “wasting your vote” or you are “privileged”.
To address the “wasting your vote” part of ... | We all are privileged to vote. It's the exception in this world that one can participate in government and potentially effect the outcome. It's the sum of all those individually cast votes that counts so if you have no agenda to push you should vote against those who openly admit they want to restrict voting by the opp... | People say that voting 3rd party is a privileged thing to do because it means your lifestyle isn't threatened by any of the candidates. Some people like LGBT people and ethnic minorities (not everyone in those groups but some people) would have their lives negatively impacted by a certain candidate winning. They might ... | mq399n | CMV:It is dumb to say it is a waste or privilege to vote third party. | First off, I am a libertarian and what I see commonly on the internet (mostly Twitter) is a large amount of people saying that if you vote third party you are “wasting your vote” or you are “privileged”.
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CMV: Private adoption agencies are a better option for adoption for some families
When pursuing adoption, foster to adopt is often lauded as a cheaper / free way to pursue an adoption. I think that does not take into consideration other factors that might prevent families from pursuing fostering to adopt.
1) There m... | I’ll handle this one!
>3) Families may not be interested in foster to adopt because of the emotional toll on the families if a child is ultimately returned to their birth family.
It sounds like what you’re describing is a family who wants to avoid the emotion of disappointment or loss. I would argue that this is a r... | It may be better for some families but shouldn’t we strive for what’s best for the children being adopted and not necessarily the families doing the adopting? Why should the family’s comfort and convenience take precedence over what’s best for the child?
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CMV: Private adoption agencies are a better option for adoption for some families
When pursuing adoption, foster to adopt is often lauded as a cheaper / free way to pursue an adoption. I think that does not take into consideration other factors that might prevent families from pursuing fostering to adopt.
1) There m... | Could you explain the "values" part?
The values an adoption agency ought to hold are to take the best possible care of children, there might be slight disagreements on that amongst professionals, but pedopsychiatry and pedagogy are established enough to have a consensual common core. So I do not quite get how the valu... | It may be better for some families but shouldn’t we strive for what’s best for the children being adopted and not necessarily the families doing the adopting? Why should the family’s comfort and convenience take precedence over what’s best for the child?
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>Why should the family’s comfort and convenience take prece... | y5jbd3 | CMV: Private adoption agencies are a better option for adoption for some families | When pursuing adoption, foster to adopt is often lauded as a cheaper / free way to pursue an adoption. I think that does not take into consideration other factors that might prevent families from pursuing fostering to adopt.
1) There may be a private adoption agency that has practices that closely align with an adopt... | Low_Ad8942 | 4 | 4 | [
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CMV: The average user does not need “cutting edge technology”
Since Apple unveiled the M2 and that lit a mini fervor under the tech media sector, I once more find myself thinking “the majority of people will not notice any appreciable difference in performance”
And not just for Apple hardware, this applies to things ... | Whats cutting edge now will be standard features in a few years. No reason NOT to develop faster boot times. I don't notice much performance difference iphone to iphone but I certainly notice it if you compare even three generations
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But is that noticeable change in performance really worth the fact that an IPhone... | Most people don’t upgrade every generation, but rather every 2-3 generations. While the difference between M2 and M1 may not be huge, the difference between an M2 and a three year old MacBook will be very noticeable. When it’s time to upgrade, people will get the current latest & greatest which will be a substantial ... | vi627n | CMV: The average user does not need “cutting edge technology” | Since Apple unveiled the M2 and that lit a mini fervor under the tech media sector, I once more find myself thinking “the majority of people will not notice any appreciable difference in performance”
And not just for Apple hardware, this applies to things like Windows 11, or some added technology in cars. A lot of the... | Damo_Clesian | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: People are getting far too comfortable with eugenics/abortion/euthenasia.
I realize that there are many desperate situations and I don't have all the answers but it seems to me that the West is developing a hyperutilitarian view of life. Canada's recent MAID (medical assistance in dying) laws are very lax and pol... | Eugenics is if I go to you and tell you that you don't get to be pregnant for, usually, pseudo-scientific reasons. A parent choosing for themselves to abort for fear of genetic defects is a completely different subject. And one that I'm fine with. If parents decide to abort their potentially LGBT fetus, that's fine. Fe... | >I understand why someone who has chronic pain or severe disability might want to end their life but it seems that the wealthy are going to use this as an excuse to weed out the peasants.
How would they do that?
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Push euthanasia as the cure for every ailment. Stroke that leaves you paralyzed? Born blind and/o... | 125x5vz | CMV: People are getting far too comfortable with eugenics/abortion/euthenasia. | I realize that there are many desperate situations and I don't have all the answers but it seems to me that the West is developing a hyperutilitarian view of life. Canada's recent MAID (medical assistance in dying) laws are very lax and politicians have been patting themselves on the back on how euthanasia cuts medical... | ulsterloyalistfurry | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Instead of child support each parent should get 50/50 custody
As a midway to the common MRA "financial abortion" argument, I believe that instead of one parent getting primary custody and the other being forced to pay for it, both parents -- if willing -- should split custody at 50/50. I don't think fathers shoul... | Child support exists most often in cases where one of the parents wants nothing to do with the child. If a parent doesn't want to be a parent, they simply cannot be a good parent and forcing them to patent their child 50% of the time is a bad outcome for everyone.
Not to mention scenarios where the parents live in di... | 50/50 custody sounds super impractical. What if one of the parents wants to move? Where wold the child go to school? Each parent would need to maintain a living area for the child that remains unused half of the time. They would probably need to get a lot of duplicate items like beds. Who's income is taken into account... | 5pjbc8 | CMV: Instead of child support each parent should get 50/50 custody | As a midway to the common MRA "financial abortion" argument, I believe that instead of one parent getting primary custody and the other being forced to pay for it, both parents -- if willing -- should split custody at 50/50. I don't think fathers should be able to just up and walk away without consequence, but I do bel... | ShiningConcepts | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Instead of child support each parent should get 50/50 custody
As a midway to the common MRA "financial abortion" argument, I believe that instead of one parent getting primary custody and the other being forced to pay for it, both parents -- if willing -- should split custody at 50/50. I don't think fathers shoul... | If I'm a parent who works 60+ hours a week at a job that requires significant travel, I may believe paying child support is a better outcome for me than having to quit my career and find a job that allows me to have court-mandated time with my children. In that situation I may opt to pay for a day care Mon-Fri and only... | Child support exists most often in cases where one of the parents wants nothing to do with the child. If a parent doesn't want to be a parent, they simply cannot be a good parent and forcing them to patent their child 50% of the time is a bad outcome for everyone.
Not to mention scenarios where the parents live in di... | 5pjbc8 | CMV: Instead of child support each parent should get 50/50 custody | As a midway to the common MRA "financial abortion" argument, I believe that instead of one parent getting primary custody and the other being forced to pay for it, both parents -- if willing -- should split custody at 50/50. I don't think fathers should be able to just up and walk away without consequence, but I do bel... | ShiningConcepts | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Instead of child support each parent should get 50/50 custody
As a midway to the common MRA "financial abortion" argument, I believe that instead of one parent getting primary custody and the other being forced to pay for it, both parents -- if willing -- should split custody at 50/50. I don't think fathers shoul... | 50/50 custody sounds super impractical. What if one of the parents wants to move? Where wold the child go to school? Each parent would need to maintain a living area for the child that remains unused half of the time. They would probably need to get a lot of duplicate items like beds. Who's income is taken into account... | Child support exists most often in cases where one of the parents wants nothing to do with the child. If a parent doesn't want to be a parent, they simply cannot be a good parent and forcing them to patent their child 50% of the time is a bad outcome for everyone.
Not to mention scenarios where the parents live in di... | 5pjbc8 | CMV: Instead of child support each parent should get 50/50 custody | As a midway to the common MRA "financial abortion" argument, I believe that instead of one parent getting primary custody and the other being forced to pay for it, both parents -- if willing -- should split custody at 50/50. I don't think fathers should be able to just up and walk away without consequence, but I do bel... | ShiningConcepts | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Light rail is almost always a poor transit choice.
I think that almost all light rail and streetcar projects are boondoggles which cost gobs of money for very little benefit, and would almost universally be better served by busses or heavy rail.
Reasons:
* Busses are much cheaper to set up and operate. Almost ... | You neglected a couple big oppositional points, so either you don't want to address them, or you don't know they're there.
Light rail has a higher effective capacity due to its dedicated travel "lane." Bus lanes are susceptible to traffic lights and other traffic where there aren't bus lanes. Additionally, light rail ... | Clarifying question: since you've left yourself an "out" in the form of saying "Light rail is **almost always** a poor transit choice.", what would be the situations in which you think light rail is not a poor transit choice?
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I am not calling for ripping out current systems, and there are some cases where the inf... | 5o4mep | CMV: Light rail is almost always a poor transit choice. | I think that almost all light rail and streetcar projects are boondoggles which cost gobs of money for very little benefit, and would almost universally be better served by busses or heavy rail.
Reasons:
* Busses are much cheaper to set up and operate. Almost the entire capital cost is involved in vehicle purchase, ... | huadpe | 5 | 5 | [
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