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programmingcirclejerk | binaryblade | fadcs68 | <|sols|><|sot|>I find syntax highlighting awful for actual programming (it's sort of useful for the first few days of learning a new language). It makes code less readable, and encourages some of the worst practices of programming. People have written tons about this. At its best, it's a crutch.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7834658<|eol|><|sor|>Colors: a programmers worst enemy.<|eor|><|sor|>Some people see every issue as purely black and white.<|eor|><|sor|>Others see black and white as the issue.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 26 |
programmingcirclejerk | Chariot | fadez0u | <|sols|><|sot|>I find syntax highlighting awful for actual programming (it's sort of useful for the first few days of learning a new language). It makes code less readable, and encourages some of the worst practices of programming. People have written tons about this. At its best, it's a crutch.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7834658<|eol|><|sor|>`#undef jerk`
Isorta agree with this. Never saw apoint for highlighting keywords, theres nothing that ablue `for` and ayellow `if` would tell me that black `for` and black `if` wouldnt.
Semantic highlight, as highlighting thevariables, not keywords, is much more usefulIcan see at aglance where Iuse what and get afirst idea of adata flow faster that way and have some small safety net against typos, as different variables would have different colours for metocatch.
Compiler will already tell me about misspelling keywords and Idont care that much for seeing where Iuse loops or switches or what-nots, and having both on oversaturates my senses, soyeah, Icode without syntax highlight where Ican.<|eor|><|sor|>Nothing is for everyone, obviously, as long as you're not insisting other people view code in the way you do I don't think anyone here could criticize. Similarly I would expect anyone telling you that syntax highlighting is the one true way would end up on here.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 22 |
programmingcirclejerk | Earhacker | fadctw2 | <|sols|><|sot|>I find syntax highlighting awful for actual programming (it's sort of useful for the first few days of learning a new language). It makes code less readable, and encourages some of the worst practices of programming. People have written tons about this. At its best, it's a crutch.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7834658<|eol|><|sor|>Colors: a programmers worst enemy.<|eor|><|sor|>Some people see every issue as purely black and white.<|eor|><|sor|>Others see black and white as the issue.<|eor|><|sor|>But if youre thinking of being my baby, it dont matter if youre black or white.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 22 |
programmingcirclejerk | w00t_loves_you | fadcq3w | <|sols|><|sot|>I find syntax highlighting awful for actual programming (it's sort of useful for the first few days of learning a new language). It makes code less readable, and encourages some of the worst practices of programming. People have written tons about this. At its best, it's a crutch.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7834658<|eol|><|sor|>Personally, I find shapes incredibly distracting. Why waste your time trying to decode the bends and twists of the glyphs of the alphabet when you can have the code whispered into your ear by a halitotic Plan 9 user? You're paid to code, not to decode arcane glyphs for your own amusement.<|eor|><|sor|>Not to be a downer but I find Plan 9 users are hard to come by these days. Luckily they're almost all halitotic, so there's that.
I've been trying to get my whisperers from OS/2 stock but likewise that's getting thin.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 21 |
programmingcirclejerk | HINDBRAIN | fadhi2y | <|sols|><|sot|>I find syntax highlighting awful for actual programming (it's sort of useful for the first few days of learning a new language). It makes code less readable, and encourages some of the worst practices of programming. People have written tons about this. At its best, it's a crutch.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7834658<|eol|><|sor|>`#undef jerk`
Isorta agree with this. Never saw apoint for highlighting keywords, theres nothing that ablue `for` and ayellow `if` would tell me that black `for` and black `if` wouldnt.
Semantic highlight, as highlighting thevariables, not keywords, is much more usefulIcan see at aglance where Iuse what and get afirst idea of adata flow faster that way and have some small safety net against typos, as different variables would have different colours for metocatch.
Compiler will already tell me about misspelling keywords and Idont care that much for seeing where Iuse loops or switches or what-nots, and having both on oversaturates my senses, soyeah, Icode without syntax highlight where Ican.<|eor|><|sor|>If it saves me 10% brainpower scanning through a file, why not do it? For a 10x 10% of their brain power is a full normie engie.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 16 |
programmingcirclejerk | Althorion | fadf1c1 | <|sols|><|sot|>I find syntax highlighting awful for actual programming (it's sort of useful for the first few days of learning a new language). It makes code less readable, and encourages some of the worst practices of programming. People have written tons about this. At its best, it's a crutch.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7834658<|eol|><|sor|>`#undef jerk`
Isorta agree with this. Never saw apoint for highlighting keywords, theres nothing that ablue `for` and ayellow `if` would tell me that black `for` and black `if` wouldnt.
Semantic highlight, as highlighting thevariables, not keywords, is much more usefulIcan see at aglance where Iuse what and get afirst idea of adata flow faster that way and have some small safety net against typos, as different variables would have different colours for metocatch.
Compiler will already tell me about misspelling keywords and Idont care that much for seeing where Iuse loops or switches or what-nots, and having both on oversaturates my senses, soyeah, Icode without syntax highlight where Ican.<|eor|><|sor|>Nothing is for everyone, obviously, as long as you're not insisting other people view code in the way you do I don't think anyone here could criticize. Similarly I would expect anyone telling you that syntax highlighting is the one true way would end up on here.<|eor|><|sor|>`#define jerk`
Wait till people will find out that Iuse exclusively light themes.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 14 |
programmingcirclejerk | defunkydrummer | dfc7d7 | <|sols|><|sot|>"Haskell is a complete joke(...) The developer tool stack sucks, the defacto standard compiler is grindingly slow and horribly badly written and virtually impossible to build much less develop, the REPL is a toy, the libraries are atrocious and the community consists almost entirely of smug weenies"<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.quora.com/Functional-Programming/Which-of-Haskell-and-OCaml-is-more-practical-For-example-in-which-aspect-will-each-play-a-key-role/answer/Jon-Harrop-2?share=1&srid=OsrX<|eol|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 147 |
programmingcirclejerk | Graf_Blutwurst | f32dfm8 | <|sols|><|sot|>"Haskell is a complete joke(...) The developer tool stack sucks, the defacto standard compiler is grindingly slow and horribly badly written and virtually impossible to build much less develop, the REPL is a toy, the libraries are atrocious and the community consists almost entirely of smug weenies"<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.quora.com/Functional-Programming/Which-of-Haskell-and-OCaml-is-more-practical-For-example-in-which-aspect-will-each-play-a-key-role/answer/Jon-Harrop-2?share=1&srid=OsrX<|eol|><|sor|>Did that poor guy get beat up by the cool haskell kids at university or where did he get the huge axe to grind from?<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 101 |
programmingcirclejerk | DogeGroomer | f32e91j | <|sols|><|sot|>"Haskell is a complete joke(...) The developer tool stack sucks, the defacto standard compiler is grindingly slow and horribly badly written and virtually impossible to build much less develop, the REPL is a toy, the libraries are atrocious and the community consists almost entirely of smug weenies"<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.quora.com/Functional-Programming/Which-of-Haskell-and-OCaml-is-more-practical-For-example-in-which-aspect-will-each-play-a-key-role/answer/Jon-Harrop-2?share=1&srid=OsrX<|eol|><|sor|>> In contrast, the OCaml community are quieter because they spend their time solving real problems and shipping production code rather than publishing research papers about The Sieve of Eratosthenes
This guy would like Go<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 81 |
programmingcirclejerk | defunkydrummer | f32f91b | <|sols|><|sot|>"Haskell is a complete joke(...) The developer tool stack sucks, the defacto standard compiler is grindingly slow and horribly badly written and virtually impossible to build much less develop, the REPL is a toy, the libraries are atrocious and the community consists almost entirely of smug weenies"<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.quora.com/Functional-Programming/Which-of-Haskell-and-OCaml-is-more-practical-For-example-in-which-aspect-will-each-play-a-key-role/answer/Jon-Harrop-2?share=1&srid=OsrX<|eol|><|sor|>Did that poor guy get beat up by the cool haskell kids at university or where did he get the huge axe to grind from?<|eor|><|soopr|>> the cool haskell kids at university
That's how "Revenge of the Nerds 2019"'s first scene begins, or so the storyboard says. But we should remember that movies are, for the most part, fantasy.<|eoopr|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 53 |
programmingcirclejerk | jk_scowling | f32d8pu | <|sols|><|sot|>"Haskell is a complete joke(...) The developer tool stack sucks, the defacto standard compiler is grindingly slow and horribly badly written and virtually impossible to build much less develop, the REPL is a toy, the libraries are atrocious and the community consists almost entirely of smug weenies"<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.quora.com/Functional-Programming/Which-of-Haskell-and-OCaml-is-more-practical-For-example-in-which-aspect-will-each-play-a-key-role/answer/Jon-Harrop-2?share=1&srid=OsrX<|eol|><|sor|>Where is the jerk?<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 42 |
programmingcirclejerk | terserterseness | f32hfzu | <|sols|><|sot|>"Haskell is a complete joke(...) The developer tool stack sucks, the defacto standard compiler is grindingly slow and horribly badly written and virtually impossible to build much less develop, the REPL is a toy, the libraries are atrocious and the community consists almost entirely of smug weenies"<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.quora.com/Functional-Programming/Which-of-Haskell-and-OCaml-is-more-practical-For-example-in-which-aspect-will-each-play-a-key-role/answer/Jon-Harrop-2?share=1&srid=OsrX<|eol|><|sor|>Where is the jerk?<|eor|><|sor|>The claim that OCaml is a viable alternative.
Also using Citrix as an example of good technology.<|eor|><|sor|>Do you take everything literally?<|eor|><|sor|>Yes, including the bible.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 37 |
programmingcirclejerk | fp_weenie | f32rpz2 | <|sols|><|sot|>"Haskell is a complete joke(...) The developer tool stack sucks, the defacto standard compiler is grindingly slow and horribly badly written and virtually impossible to build much less develop, the REPL is a toy, the libraries are atrocious and the community consists almost entirely of smug weenies"<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.quora.com/Functional-Programming/Which-of-Haskell-and-OCaml-is-more-practical-For-example-in-which-aspect-will-each-play-a-key-role/answer/Jon-Harrop-2?share=1&srid=OsrX<|eol|><|sor|>> the community consists almost entirely of smug weenies
Where's the jerk?<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 32 |
programmingcirclejerk | Tysonzero | f32d861 | <|sols|><|sot|>"Haskell is a complete joke(...) The developer tool stack sucks, the defacto standard compiler is grindingly slow and horribly badly written and virtually impossible to build much less develop, the REPL is a toy, the libraries are atrocious and the community consists almost entirely of smug weenies"<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.quora.com/Functional-Programming/Which-of-Haskell-and-OCaml-is-more-practical-For-example-in-which-aspect-will-each-play-a-key-role/answer/Jon-Harrop-2?share=1&srid=OsrX<|eol|><|sor|>Quora's answer sorting algorithm is interesting, it doesn't seem to care much about voting.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 31 |
programmingcirclejerk | fp_weenie | f32rqrz | <|sols|><|sot|>"Haskell is a complete joke(...) The developer tool stack sucks, the defacto standard compiler is grindingly slow and horribly badly written and virtually impossible to build much less develop, the REPL is a toy, the libraries are atrocious and the community consists almost entirely of smug weenies"<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.quora.com/Functional-Programming/Which-of-Haskell-and-OCaml-is-more-practical-For-example-in-which-aspect-will-each-play-a-key-role/answer/Jon-Harrop-2?share=1&srid=OsrX<|eol|><|sor|>> technical consultant on F#
lol poor guy<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 30 |
programmingcirclejerk | chessai | f32zjkf | <|sols|><|sot|>"Haskell is a complete joke(...) The developer tool stack sucks, the defacto standard compiler is grindingly slow and horribly badly written and virtually impossible to build much less develop, the REPL is a toy, the libraries are atrocious and the community consists almost entirely of smug weenies"<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.quora.com/Functional-Programming/Which-of-Haskell-and-OCaml-is-more-practical-For-example-in-which-aspect-will-each-play-a-key-role/answer/Jon-Harrop-2?share=1&srid=OsrX<|eol|><|sor|>> In contrast, the OCaml community are quieter because they spend their time solving real problems and shipping production code rather than publishing research papers about The Sieve of Eratosthenes
This guy would like Go<|eor|><|sor|>/uj he has actually praised go before, rather intensely: https://pl-rants.net/posts/haskell-vs-go-vs-ocaml-vs/<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 30 |
programmingcirclejerk | chopsaver | f32hssm | <|sols|><|sot|>"Haskell is a complete joke(...) The developer tool stack sucks, the defacto standard compiler is grindingly slow and horribly badly written and virtually impossible to build much less develop, the REPL is a toy, the libraries are atrocious and the community consists almost entirely of smug weenies"<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.quora.com/Functional-Programming/Which-of-Haskell-and-OCaml-is-more-practical-For-example-in-which-aspect-will-each-play-a-key-role/answer/Jon-Harrop-2?share=1&srid=OsrX<|eol|><|sor|>Did that poor guy get beat up by the cool haskell kids at university or where did he get the huge axe to grind from?<|eor|><|sor|>look I am trying to stay calm here but if you mention h*skal one more time I am going to POP a fucking blood vessel you hear me....???????<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 26 |
programmingcirclejerk | defunkydrummer | f32s96r | <|sols|><|sot|>"Haskell is a complete joke(...) The developer tool stack sucks, the defacto standard compiler is grindingly slow and horribly badly written and virtually impossible to build much less develop, the REPL is a toy, the libraries are atrocious and the community consists almost entirely of smug weenies"<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.quora.com/Functional-Programming/Which-of-Haskell-and-OCaml-is-more-practical-For-example-in-which-aspect-will-each-play-a-key-role/answer/Jon-Harrop-2?share=1&srid=OsrX<|eol|><|sor|>Quora's answer sorting algorithm is interesting, it doesn't seem to care much about voting.<|eor|><|sor|>There's a bunch of elderly ladies somewhere in front of a whole lot of smartphones that push answers up or down based on how they feel the answer's look on the screen (they've long since given up on reading the actual text to preserve sanity) while gossiping.
The trick is to snail mail them a box of chocolates and they'll push yours up for a while.<|eor|><|soopr|>>There's a bunch of elderly ladies somewhere in front of a whole lot of smartphones
I heard `rustc` internals are similar, though.<|eoopr|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 24 |
programmingcirclejerk | spookthesunset | f33aicr | <|sols|><|sot|>"Haskell is a complete joke(...) The developer tool stack sucks, the defacto standard compiler is grindingly slow and horribly badly written and virtually impossible to build much less develop, the REPL is a toy, the libraries are atrocious and the community consists almost entirely of smug weenies"<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.quora.com/Functional-Programming/Which-of-Haskell-and-OCaml-is-more-practical-For-example-in-which-aspect-will-each-play-a-key-role/answer/Jon-Harrop-2?share=1&srid=OsrX<|eol|><|sor|>Did that poor guy get beat up by the cool haskell kids at university or where did he get the huge axe to grind from?<|eor|><|soopr|>> the cool haskell kids at university
That's how "Revenge of the Nerds 2019"'s first scene begins, or so the storyboard says. But we should remember that movies are, for the most part, fantasy.<|eoopr|><|sor|>Movies are for the paper shells who dont even want to learn how to compile a basic machine learning algorithm in Rust. They almost always sacrifice physics and common sense to amuse the sheep.
I was recently subjected to a television programme that featured a computer being used to shut down the entire North American power grid in one keystroke. The fact that they didnt even use arch made it highly suspect. The fact that the scripting was in power shell and not csh or plain sh was enough to make me request the host change the channel. The host agreed and we were shortly watching a twitch stream of Rust programmers hard at work.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 19 |
programmingcirclejerk | joppatza | f33gaa4 | <|sols|><|sot|>"Haskell is a complete joke(...) The developer tool stack sucks, the defacto standard compiler is grindingly slow and horribly badly written and virtually impossible to build much less develop, the REPL is a toy, the libraries are atrocious and the community consists almost entirely of smug weenies"<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.quora.com/Functional-Programming/Which-of-Haskell-and-OCaml-is-more-practical-For-example-in-which-aspect-will-each-play-a-key-role/answer/Jon-Harrop-2?share=1&srid=OsrX<|eol|><|sor|>> In contrast, the OCaml community are quieter because they spend their time solving real problems and shipping production code rather than publishing research papers about The Sieve of Eratosthenes
This guy would like Go<|eor|><|sor|>/uj he has actually praised go before, rather intensely: https://pl-rants.net/posts/haskell-vs-go-vs-ocaml-vs/<|eor|><|sor|>>However, my boss - being one of the most awesome bosses around - allowed me to start the project and prototype the tool in Haskell under condition that I also were to write a prototype in Go and had it all done within a week.
That boss's name? Rob "Commander" Pike.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 19 |
programmingcirclejerk | ecksxdiegh | f32u2mj | <|sols|><|sot|>"Haskell is a complete joke(...) The developer tool stack sucks, the defacto standard compiler is grindingly slow and horribly badly written and virtually impossible to build much less develop, the REPL is a toy, the libraries are atrocious and the community consists almost entirely of smug weenies"<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.quora.com/Functional-Programming/Which-of-Haskell-and-OCaml-is-more-practical-For-example-in-which-aspect-will-each-play-a-key-role/answer/Jon-Harrop-2?share=1&srid=OsrX<|eol|><|sor|>> In contrast, the OCaml community are quieter because they spend their time solving real problems and shipping production code rather than publishing research papers about The Sieve of Eratosthenes
This guy would like Go<|eor|><|sor|>Hey, I enjoyed that paper :(<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 17 |
programmingcirclejerk | possibly_not_a_bot | cwq5oh | <|sols|><|sot|>"I don't even know how to quit a GUI programme anymore."<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20822469<|eol|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 147 |
programmingcirclejerk | BarefootUnicorn | eydu8zs | <|sols|><|sot|>"I don't even know how to quit a GUI programme anymore."<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20822469<|eol|><|sor|>This guy is a 100x programmer, at least! How does he post to HackerNews? Does he just "curl" the webpage, and then construct a POST on the command line?<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 121 |
programmingcirclejerk | WasabiofIP | eyf04od | <|sols|><|sot|>"I don't even know how to quit a GUI programme anymore."<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20822469<|eol|><|sor|>[deleted]<|eor|><|sor|>what program is good for sending files over an air gap? I need something that can be automated easily, preferably with Electron<|eor|><|sor|>I suppose you could use Electron sometimes the simplest solutions are the best: I have a magazine belt of helpless transistors being fed to a custom PCB which shorts or does not short them, resulting in a puff of smoke or no puff of smoke. I then have a camera trained on the source of the smoke attached to a Tensorflow accelerator running an ANN to detect the smoke pattern and decrypt it (obviously the smoke is in plain sight and very vulnerable to packet sniffers, even more so than a typical network because the smoke can be literally sniffed) with a private key that I manually burnt into ROM. But that's just what works for me <|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 48 |
programmingcirclejerk | VeganVagiVore | eyexf4g | <|sols|><|sot|>"I don't even know how to quit a GUI programme anymore."<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20822469<|eol|><|sor|>[deleted]<|eor|><|sor|>what program is good for sending files over an air gap? I need something that can be automated easily, preferably with Electron<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 41 |
programmingcirclejerk | DocMcBrown | eyegthm | <|sols|><|sot|>"I don't even know how to quit a GUI programme anymore."<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20822469<|eol|><|sor|>This guy is a 100x programmer, at least! How does he post to HackerNews? Does he just "curl" the webpage, and then construct a POST on the command line?<|eor|><|sor|>He's emulating the luminary in computer science that is Richard Stallman.<|eor|><|sor|>I'd just like to interject for a few moments. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 36 |
programmingcirclejerk | idiotek | eye092m | <|sols|><|sot|>"I don't even know how to quit a GUI programme anymore."<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20822469<|eol|><|sor|>programme is pronounced program-me FYI<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 28 |
programmingcirclejerk | ProfessorSexyTime | eyeads6 | <|sols|><|sot|>"I don't even know how to quit a GUI programme anymore."<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20822469<|eol|><|sor|>If you can't quit Vim, can't imagine how one would know how to quit a GUI program.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 25 |
programmingcirclejerk | loopsdeer | eyer2q4 | <|sols|><|sot|>"I don't even know how to quit a GUI programme anymore."<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20822469<|eol|><|sor|>I've never even seen a smartphone. What's a swipe? Is that a terminal command?<|eor|><|sor|>I think it is short for system wipe<|eor|><|sor|>System wiper, no system wiping!<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 23 |
programmingcirclejerk | xmcqdpt2 | eyeslm4 | <|sols|><|sot|>"I don't even know how to quit a GUI programme anymore."<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20822469<|eol|><|sor|>I've never even seen a smartphone. What's a swipe? Is that a terminal command?<|eor|><|sor|>`man swipe`<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 21 |
programmingcirclejerk | xmcqdpt2 | eyet86o | <|sols|><|sot|>"I don't even know how to quit a GUI programme anymore."<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20822469<|eol|><|sor|>If you can't quit Vim, can't imagine how one would know how to quit a GUI program.<|eor|><|sor|>:q
:q!
:quit
this reddit software doesn't work<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 19 |
programmingcirclejerk | BarefootUnicorn | eye0vxb | <|sols|><|sot|>"I don't even know how to quit a GUI programme anymore."<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20822469<|eol|><|sor|>programme is pronounced program-me FYI<|eor|><|sor|>just like "me-me"!<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 18 |
programmingcirclejerk | BarefootUnicorn | eye0z0k | <|sols|><|sot|>"I don't even know how to quit a GUI programme anymore."<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20822469<|eol|><|sor|>for the FREEDOM!<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 17 |
programmingcirclejerk | porkslow | cklz0l | <|sols|><|sot|>Solution architect is scared of the inevitable code monkey uprising<|eot|><|sol|>https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/141278/complaints-from-junior-developers-against-solution-architects-how-can-we-show<|eol|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 143 |
programmingcirclejerk | carbolymer | evov6cw | <|sols|><|sot|>Solution architect is scared of the inevitable code monkey uprising<|eot|><|sol|>https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/141278/complaints-from-junior-developers-against-solution-architects-how-can-we-show<|eol|><|sor|>>[developers] are mere performers/monkeys typing on the keyboard.
and then
>I was a senior developer I really appreciated the fact that we only need to build the project software architecture and then start the fun part: write code
lol ivory tower ~~architects~~ senior code monkeys butthurt when the tower crumbles<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 89 |
programmingcirclejerk | truh | evoypwc | <|sols|><|sot|>Solution architect is scared of the inevitable code monkey uprising<|eot|><|sol|>https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/141278/complaints-from-junior-developers-against-solution-architects-how-can-we-show<|eol|><|sor|>Did they build their company structure based on Dilbert comics?<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 75 |
programmingcirclejerk | the-computer-guy | evot9nj | <|sols|><|sot|>Solution architect is scared of the inevitable code monkey uprising<|eot|><|sol|>https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/141278/complaints-from-junior-developers-against-solution-architects-how-can-we-show<|eol|><|sor|>lol no agile<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 59 |
programmingcirclejerk | PM_ME_A_SHOWER_BEER | evpffiu | <|sols|><|sot|>Solution architect is scared of the inevitable code monkey uprising<|eot|><|sol|>https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/141278/complaints-from-junior-developers-against-solution-architects-how-can-we-show<|eol|><|sor|>>[developers] are mere performers/monkeys typing on the keyboard.
and then
>I was a senior developer I really appreciated the fact that we only need to build the project software architecture and then start the fun part: write code
lol ivory tower ~~architects~~ senior code monkeys butthurt when the tower crumbles<|eor|><|sor|>> I was a senior developer I really appreciated the fact that we only need to build the project software architecture and then start the fun part: write code
Utopia is where senior development requires no interpersonal or leadership skills just the ability to be a 10x leetcoder<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 42 |
programmingcirclejerk | carbolymer | evpfgh0 | <|sols|><|sot|>Solution architect is scared of the inevitable code monkey uprising<|eot|><|sol|>https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/141278/complaints-from-junior-developers-against-solution-architects-how-can-we-show<|eol|><|sor|>lol no agile<|eor|><|sor|>You obviously missed all the wailing for the "sanity of waterfall" on proggit. Didn't anyone tell you Agile is evil and Fat Spec Upfront is how grownups create Real Enterpreis Solutions?<|eor|><|sor|>:uj
I spent last week sitting with a team in a big bank; they did courses and workshops on agile and 'know exactly how it works'. For using our product they asked a month to write the specs and 'cover off all risks'. Same as almost every partner or client we have; they say 'agile' but really they want a rocksolid, 100% covering Pflichtenheft and when that arrives they will cut that in sprints (totaltime/2weeks) and push it through the 'monkey team' in -insert outsourcing country- (for banking here it is often Poland). There is absolutely nothing agile about it but they believe it's modern, hip and agile.<|eor|><|sor|>`:unjerk`
Can confirm. Worked on a few projects in Poland - 99% of the time it is: _we have daily and sprints_ = _scrum_. Fixed price projects, no contact with clients, deadlines, waterfall with iterations and daily meetings.
Basically, everyone is doing agile, no one knows how.<|eor|><|sor|>lol pcj hivemind caught in the local minima of the jerk attractor, cannot escape unjerk trap<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 37 |
programmingcirclejerk | defunkydrummer | evpw3qf | <|sols|><|sot|>Solution architect is scared of the inevitable code monkey uprising<|eot|><|sol|>https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/141278/complaints-from-junior-developers-against-solution-architects-how-can-we-show<|eol|><|sor|>Did they build their company structure based on Dilbert comics?<|eor|><|sor|>>Dilbert comics
Dilbert is a documentary, not a comic.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 36 |
programmingcirclejerk | carbolymer | evpf8g3 | <|sols|><|sot|>Solution architect is scared of the inevitable code monkey uprising<|eot|><|sol|>https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/141278/complaints-from-junior-developers-against-solution-architects-how-can-we-show<|eol|><|sor|>lol no agile<|eor|><|sor|>You obviously missed all the wailing for the "sanity of waterfall" on proggit. Didn't anyone tell you Agile is evil and Fat Spec Upfront is how grownups create Real Enterpreis Solutions?<|eor|><|sor|>:uj
I spent last week sitting with a team in a big bank; they did courses and workshops on agile and 'know exactly how it works'. For using our product they asked a month to write the specs and 'cover off all risks'. Same as almost every partner or client we have; they say 'agile' but really they want a rocksolid, 100% covering Pflichtenheft and when that arrives they will cut that in sprints (totaltime/2weeks) and push it through the 'monkey team' in -insert outsourcing country- (for banking here it is often Poland). There is absolutely nothing agile about it but they believe it's modern, hip and agile.<|eor|><|sor|>`:unjerk`
Can confirm. Worked on a few projects in Poland - 99% of the time it is: _we have daily and sprints_ = _scrum_. Fixed price projects, no contact with clients, deadlines, waterfall with iterations and daily meetings.
Basically, everyone is doing agile, no one knows how.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 33 |
programmingcirclejerk | terserterseness | evpckb0 | <|sols|><|sot|>Solution architect is scared of the inevitable code monkey uprising<|eot|><|sol|>https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/141278/complaints-from-junior-developers-against-solution-architects-how-can-we-show<|eol|><|sor|>lol no agile<|eor|><|sor|>You obviously missed all the wailing for the "sanity of waterfall" on proggit. Didn't anyone tell you Agile is evil and Fat Spec Upfront is how grownups create Real Enterpreis Solutions?<|eor|><|sor|>:uj
I spent last week sitting with a team in a big bank; they did courses and workshops on agile and 'know exactly how it works'. For using our product they asked a month to write the specs and 'cover off all risks'. Same as almost every partner or client we have; they say 'agile' but really they want a rocksolid, 100% covering Pflichtenheft and when that arrives they will cut that in sprints (totaltime/2weeks) and push it through the 'monkey team' in -insert outsourcing country- (for banking here it is often Poland). There is absolutely nothing agile about it but they believe it's modern, hip and agile.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 28 |
programmingcirclejerk | pareidolist | evpyuc2 | <|sols|><|sot|>Solution architect is scared of the inevitable code monkey uprising<|eot|><|sol|>https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/141278/complaints-from-junior-developers-against-solution-architects-how-can-we-show<|eol|><|sor|>>A 4 years project could have 1500+ documentation pages
The first edition of War and Peace was 1,225 pages. Those aren't solution architects; they're novelists.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 25 |
programmingcirclejerk | jomofo | evp1bul | <|sols|><|sot|>Solution architect is scared of the inevitable code monkey uprising<|eot|><|sol|>https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/141278/complaints-from-junior-developers-against-solution-architects-how-can-we-show<|eol|><|sor|>It's 1998, Rational called and wants their Unified Process back<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 19 |
programmingcirclejerk | Bizzaro_Murphy | evq0bmx | <|sols|><|sot|>Solution architect is scared of the inevitable code monkey uprising<|eot|><|sol|>https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/141278/complaints-from-junior-developers-against-solution-architects-how-can-we-show<|eol|><|sor|>Everyone knows the people who make the best technical implementation decisions are the ones who have spent the past few years no longer doing technical implementations.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 16 |
programmingcirclejerk | lol-no-monads | evp8gdm | <|sols|><|sot|>Solution architect is scared of the inevitable code monkey uprising<|eot|><|sol|>https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/141278/complaints-from-junior-developers-against-solution-architects-how-can-we-show<|eol|><|sor|>Planet of the Codemonkeys in cinemas when?<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 15 |
programmingcirclejerk | three18ti | evpb006 | <|sols|><|sot|>Solution architect is scared of the inevitable code monkey uprising<|eot|><|sol|>https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/141278/complaints-from-junior-developers-against-solution-architects-how-can-we-show<|eol|><|sor|>Well, that's hardly surprising given that that is exactly what you have described your role to be. If the documents contain what you said they contain and it's binding, you have basically split your software engineers into "solution architects" and "typing monkeys", one group making all the decisions and one group basically typing them out and compiling them. But as we all know Junior devs are the most valuable asset a company has, it's not like there's a fresh batch every 6mos and you can drive down to the local college and throw a few in the bed of your pickup truck... you better cater to their every whim. You note that the Sr. Devs don't complain, this is because they are so burnt out that they can't see how much better the ideas we just heard about but have never implemented in practice would make this project (They're basically idiots).
HR has decided to fire all Sr. Level revs and only hire Jr. Devs from now on. Also, by dictatorial fiat, everything shall now be designed by committee!
Hooray, HR saves the day.
*Meanwhile, back at the Hall of Super Friends League*
"Can we just fire the whiners and hire an all now batch of code monies when they graduate in 3mos?"<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 15 |
programmingcirclejerk | carbolymer | evp76eg | <|sols|><|sot|>Solution architect is scared of the inevitable code monkey uprising<|eot|><|sol|>https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/141278/complaints-from-junior-developers-against-solution-architects-how-can-we-show<|eol|><|sor|>See, I _like_ being asked to do something simple that turns into a gordion knot of dependencies upon dependencies upon dependencies. It means I get to sit down, tell everyone my project's constipated to hell and back, and then spend the rest of my day reading My Little Pony fanfiction.
Solution architects confirmed useless.<|eor|><|sor|>> spend the rest of my day reading My Little Pony fanfiction
Are you the author or the Contributor Covenant?<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 14 |
programmingcirclejerk | ProfessorSexyTime | evpmrsa | <|sols|><|sot|>Solution architect is scared of the inevitable code monkey uprising<|eot|><|sol|>https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/141278/complaints-from-junior-developers-against-solution-architects-how-can-we-show<|eol|><|sor|>lol no agile<|eor|><|sor|>You obviously missed all the wailing for the "sanity of waterfall" on proggit. Didn't anyone tell you Agile is evil and Fat Spec Upfront is how grownups create Real Enterpreis Solutions?<|eor|><|sor|>:uj
I spent last week sitting with a team in a big bank; they did courses and workshops on agile and 'know exactly how it works'. For using our product they asked a month to write the specs and 'cover off all risks'. Same as almost every partner or client we have; they say 'agile' but really they want a rocksolid, 100% covering Pflichtenheft and when that arrives they will cut that in sprints (totaltime/2weeks) and push it through the 'monkey team' in -insert outsourcing country- (for banking here it is often Poland). There is absolutely nothing agile about it but they believe it's modern, hip and agile.<|eor|><|sor|>`M-x pcj-unjerk`
Yea that was my first contract job, and pretty much like what u/carbolymer said.
We'd have "set" sprints where we "wouldn't take on any more tasks", except when marketing would bug us about something. Luckily the most of the people in marketing were nice so you couldn't really get too mad at them. Then *allegedly* you were only allowed to take a certain amount of tasks that would equal a certain number which came from that dumbass Fibonacci based scoring system, but that of course never happened. Then there were meetings like...maybe ever other day or twice a week. God knows on what because I didn't have to go to them as a contractor. That didn't include the actual meetings related to agile.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 14 |
programmingcirclejerk | anatolya | ce5jxt | <|sols|><|sot|>I regret learning go as my first language. Every other language just looks awful.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20322531<|eol|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 144 |
programmingcirclejerk | haskell_leghumper | etz2bar | <|sols|><|sot|>I regret learning go as my first language. Every other language just looks awful.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20322531<|eol|><|sor|>You know how learning Lisp makes you too smart to use other languages? Learning Go makes you too dumb to use other languages.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 200 |
programmingcirclejerk | 28f272fe556a1363cc31 | etz7jxh | <|sols|><|sot|>I regret learning go as my first language. Every other language just looks awful.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20322531<|eol|><|sor|>You know how learning Lisp makes you too smart to use other languages? Learning Go makes you too dumb to use other languages.<|eor|><|sor|>This, but unironically.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 78 |
programmingcirclejerk | defunkydrummer | etz3nci | <|sols|><|sot|>I regret learning go as my first language. Every other language just looks awful.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20322531<|eol|><|sor|>>Every language sucks:
>Lisp is hard to find a use for outside of Emacs,
hard? it's the lingua franca of every 100xer
>Java attracts bad libraries,
fortunately people can ditch the horrible JVM ecosystem and embrace NPM
>Rust is hard to write simple data structures in,
simple, just use the data structures of the standard library (and watch them explode)
>C++ is too complex
What's sad is, this isn't the first time I've seen people argue/talk like this on the internet.
Horrifying, man. I feel like we're in this weird age of snake oil tech. There's a lot of misinformation, pseudo-science and people are digging their heels in behind false ideas.
They have yet to see the true light from C++ carving the way. Only such a language could exist all throughout history and only get better with time.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 61 |
programmingcirclejerk | MrRadar | etzv4w3 | <|sols|><|sot|>I regret learning go as my first language. Every other language just looks awful.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20322531<|eol|><|sor|>You know how learning Lisp makes you too smart to use other languages? Learning Go makes you too dumb to use other languages.<|eor|><|sor|>Go~~to~~ Considered Harmful.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 54 |
programmingcirclejerk | lru_skil | etzn9pa | <|sols|><|sot|>I regret learning go as my first language. Every other language just looks awful.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20322531<|eol|><|sor|>I regret learning brainfuck as my first language. Every other language just looks awful.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 52 |
programmingcirclejerk | univalence | eu0audq | <|sols|><|sot|>I regret learning go as my first language. Every other language just looks awful.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20322531<|eol|><|sor|>You know how learning Lisp makes you too smart to use other languages? Learning Go makes you too dumb to use other languages.<|eor|><|sor|>Go~~to~~ Considered Harmful.<|eor|><|sor|>Calm down, d`kji`stra.<|eor|><|sor|>It is practically impossible to teach good programming to students that have had a prior exposure to~~BASIC~~Go: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 40 |
programmingcirclejerk | ArmoredPancake | etzzd5a | <|sols|><|sot|>I regret learning go as my first language. Every other language just looks awful.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20322531<|eol|><|sor|>Sometimes when I see a ternary operator I have to physically throw up. I always replace those unreadable one liners with 7 lines of an unassigned variable + if else statement.<|eor|><|sor|>Cries in Kotlin.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 34 |
programmingcirclejerk | TheFearsomeEsquilax | etzonfk | <|sols|><|sot|>I regret learning go as my first language. Every other language just looks awful.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20322531<|eol|><|sor|>>Every language sucks:
>Lisp is hard to find a use for outside of Emacs,
hard? it's the lingua franca of every 100xer
>Java attracts bad libraries,
fortunately people can ditch the horrible JVM ecosystem and embrace NPM
>Rust is hard to write simple data structures in,
simple, just use the data structures of the standard library (and watch them explode)
>C++ is too complex
What's sad is, this isn't the first time I've seen people argue/talk like this on the internet.
Horrifying, man. I feel like we're in this weird age of snake oil tech. There's a lot of misinformation, pseudo-science and people are digging their heels in behind false ideas.
They have yet to see the true light from C++ carving the way. Only such a language could exist all throughout history and only get better with time.<|eor|><|sor|>When is NPM going to be ported to Common Lisp? I can't find any equivalent in the standard CL libraries or on Quicklisp for basic functionality such as is-negative-zero, so NPM appears to be immeasurably superior. Only if CL would port over all of the amazing libraries of NPM, which as a whole truly rival mankind's greatest achievements, would I be tempted to switch to Lisp with its bizarre parentheses and unpronounceable function names.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 24 |
programmingcirclejerk | KerTakanov | eu0e50l | <|sols|><|sot|>I regret learning go as my first language. Every other language just looks awful.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20322531<|eol|><|sor|>Sometimes when I see a ternary operator I have to physically throw up. I always replace those unreadable one liners with 7 lines of an unassigned variable + if else statement.<|eor|><|sor|>Cries in Kotlin.<|eor|><|sor|>val thing = if(condition) expr1 else expr2
That's quite readable and good<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 24 |
programmingcirclejerk | fnordulicious | etzqs02 | <|sols|><|sot|>I regret learning go as my first language. Every other language just looks awful.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20322531<|eol|><|sor|>>Every language sucks:
>Lisp is hard to find a use for outside of Emacs,
hard? it's the lingua franca of every 100xer
>Java attracts bad libraries,
fortunately people can ditch the horrible JVM ecosystem and embrace NPM
>Rust is hard to write simple data structures in,
simple, just use the data structures of the standard library (and watch them explode)
>C++ is too complex
What's sad is, this isn't the first time I've seen people argue/talk like this on the internet.
Horrifying, man. I feel like we're in this weird age of snake oil tech. There's a lot of misinformation, pseudo-science and people are digging their heels in behind false ideas.
They have yet to see the true light from C++ carving the way. Only such a language could exist all throughout history and only get better with time.<|eor|><|sor|>When is NPM going to be ported to Common Lisp? I can't find any equivalent in the standard CL libraries or on Quicklisp for basic functionality such as is-negative-zero, so NPM appears to be immeasurably superior. Only if CL would port over all of the amazing libraries of NPM, which as a whole truly rival mankind's greatest achievements, would I be tempted to switch to Lisp with its bizarre parentheses and unpronounceable function names.<|eor|><|sor|>Cant wait for LEFT-PAD:LEFT-PAD.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 22 |
programmingcirclejerk | muntoo | etzzh4m | <|sols|><|sot|>I regret learning go as my first language. Every other language just looks awful.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20322531<|eol|><|sor|>You know how learning Lisp makes you too smart to use other languages? Learning Go makes you too dumb to use other languages.<|eor|><|sor|>Go~~to~~ Considered Harmful.<|eor|><|sor|>Calm down, d`kji`stra.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 21 |
programmingcirclejerk | theangeryemacsshibe | etzvryv | <|sols|><|sot|>I regret learning go as my first language. Every other language just looks awful.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20322531<|eol|><|sor|>>Every language sucks:
>Lisp is hard to find a use for outside of Emacs,
hard? it's the lingua franca of every 100xer
>Java attracts bad libraries,
fortunately people can ditch the horrible JVM ecosystem and embrace NPM
>Rust is hard to write simple data structures in,
simple, just use the data structures of the standard library (and watch them explode)
>C++ is too complex
What's sad is, this isn't the first time I've seen people argue/talk like this on the internet.
Horrifying, man. I feel like we're in this weird age of snake oil tech. There's a lot of misinformation, pseudo-science and people are digging their heels in behind false ideas.
They have yet to see the true light from C++ carving the way. Only such a language could exist all throughout history and only get better with time.<|eor|><|sor|>When is NPM going to be ported to Common Lisp? I can't find any equivalent in the standard CL libraries or on Quicklisp for basic functionality such as is-negative-zero, so NPM appears to be immeasurably superior. Only if CL would port over all of the amazing libraries of NPM, which as a whole truly rival mankind's greatest achievements, would I be tempted to switch to Lisp with its bizarre parentheses and unpronounceable function names.<|eor|><|sor|>Cant wait for LEFT-PAD:LEFT-PAD.<|eor|><|sor|>https://gitlab.com/mbabich/trivial-left-pad<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 17 |
programmingcirclejerk | terserterseness | etzrj9i | <|sols|><|sot|>I regret learning go as my first language. Every other language just looks awful.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20322531<|eol|><|sor|>I had that with APL; seeing C and Pascal after learning APL, and worse, grasping the fact that I had to work with vastly inferior languages, like C, Pascal, Java and, yes, Go, to make money made my life a living hell. I am Klaas, I am an alcoholic.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 16 |
programmingcirclejerk | VeganVagiVore | eu1gpo8 | <|sols|><|sot|>I regret learning go as my first language. Every other language just looks awful.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20322531<|eol|><|sor|>You know how learning Lisp makes you too smart to use other languages? Learning Go makes you too dumb to use other languages.<|eor|><|sor|>Go~~to~~ Considered Harmful.<|eor|><|sor|>Calm down, d`kji`stra.<|eor|><|sor|>It is practically impossible to teach good programming to students that have had a prior exposure to~~BASIC~~Go: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration.<|eor|><|sor|>They are *typically,* beyond hope of regeneration.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 14 |
programmingcirclejerk | qqwy | eu0ad4l | <|sols|><|sot|>I regret learning go as my first language. Every other language just looks awful.<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20322531<|eol|><|sor|>Sometimes when I see a ternary operator I have to physically throw up. I always replace those unreadable one liners with 7 lines of an unassigned variable + if else statement.<|eor|><|sor|>Cries in every expression-based language.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 12 |
programmingcirclejerk | cmov | 9wqj9h | <|sols|><|sot|>There is a potential future in which all open-source software written in any language agglomerates into a single giant pool of useful libraries available on npm.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1061461917963816960<|eol|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 141 |
programmingcirclejerk | pepsi_logic | e9nma1g | <|sols|><|sot|>There is a potential future in which all open-source software written in any language agglomerates into a single giant pool of useful libraries available on npm.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1061461917963816960<|eol|><|sor|>npm is literally the modern day library of alexandria<|eor|><|sor|>Can't wait for the burning<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 68 |
programmingcirclejerk | I3P | e9mwz37 | <|sols|><|sot|>There is a potential future in which all open-source software written in any language agglomerates into a single giant pool of useful libraries available on npm.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1061461917963816960<|eol|><|sor|>Taco Bell was the only restaurant to survive the franchise war. Now all restaurants are Taco Bell.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 54 |
programmingcirclejerk | kmark937 | e9n5syb | <|sols|><|sot|>There is a potential future in which all open-source software written in any language agglomerates into a single giant pool of useful libraries available on npm.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1061461917963816960<|eol|><|sor|>> The strange thing is: nobody planned this.
I can tell!<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 49 |
programmingcirclejerk | TheFearsomeEsquilax | e9nphzn | <|sols|><|sot|>There is a potential future in which all open-source software written in any language agglomerates into a single giant pool of useful libraries available on npm.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1061461917963816960<|eol|><|sor|>I mean... you could shove all open source software up your ass too, but that doesn't mean it's a good place to store it.<|eor|><|sor|>This module I got here was first written by your great-grandfather during March of 2016. It was written in a crowded Starbucks in San Francisco, California. Used by the first startup to ever need to share code to pad a string on the lefthand side. Up till then people just wrote their own goddamn routines. It was used by programmer "Pillsbury" Doughboy Erine Coolidge on the day he quit and moved to Paris. It was your great-grandfather's favorite module and he used it every day he worked at that startup. When he had done his duty, he went home to your great-grandmother, printed the module out, put it an old Soylent tin, and in that tin it stayed 'til your granddad Dane Coolidge graduated from Stanford and went to SF to work at a startup once again. This time they called it Web 3.0. Your great-grandfather gave this module to your granddad for good luck. Unfortunately, Dane's luck wasn't as good as his old man's. Dane was a webdev and he was killed -- along with the other webdevs -- during the deathmarch of Wakr Islr. Your granddad was facing death, he knew it. None of those boys had any illusions about ever leavin' that office alive. So three days before the first release of the product shipped, your granddad asked a rookie in QA name of Winocki, a man he had never met before in his life, to deliver to his infant son, who he'd never seen in the flesh, his treasured module. Three days later, your granddad was dead. But Winocki kept his word. After the startup launched, he paid a visit to your grandmother, delivering to your infant father, his Dad's leftpad module. This module. *(holds it a printout of the module, long pause)* This module was on your Daddy's Macbook when he fainted in a Philz. He hadn't slept in one month, hadn't showered in two, was put in a prison. He knew if the cops ever saw the module it'd be confiscated, taken away. The way your Dad looked at it, that module was your birthright. He'd be damned if any pigs were gonna put their greasy pink hands on his boy's birthright. So he hid it in the one place he knew he could hide something. His ass. Five long years, he hid this module up his ass. Then he died of dysentery, he gave me the module. I hid this uncomfortable hunk of paper up my ass two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. And now, little man, I give the module to you.
<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 45 |
programmingcirclejerk | SpiritF | e9n438t | <|sols|><|sot|>There is a potential future in which all open-source software written in any language agglomerates into a single giant pool of useful libraries available on npm.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1061461917963816960<|eol|><|sor|>npm is literally the modern day library of alexandria<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 39 |
programmingcirclejerk | unfortunate_jargon | e9n725x | <|sols|><|sot|>There is a potential future in which all open-source software written in any language agglomerates into a single giant pool of useful libraries available on npm.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1061461917963816960<|eol|><|sor|>I mean... you could shove all open source software up your ass too, but that doesn't mean it's a good place to store it.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 37 |
programmingcirclejerk | yorickpeterse | e9n1798 | <|sols|><|sot|>There is a potential future in which all open-source software written in any language agglomerates into a single giant pool of useful libraries available on npm.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1061461917963816960<|eol|><|sor|>> There is a potential future, not guaranteed but possible, in which all open-source software written in any language agglomerates into a single giant pool of useful libraries available on npm.
Yes, let's ship Blender as a Node module on NPM. Who needs native package managers anyway.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 33 |
programmingcirclejerk | jtayloroconnor | e9mz5u5 | <|sols|><|sot|>There is a potential future in which all open-source software written in any language agglomerates into a single giant pool of useful libraries available on npm.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1061461917963816960<|eol|><|sor|>> Needless to say its an exciting time<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 17 |
programmingcirclejerk | haskell_leghumper | e9mi578 | <|sols|><|sot|>There is a potential future in which all open-source software written in any language agglomerates into a single giant pool of useful libraries available on npm.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1061461917963816960<|eol|><|sor|>Didn't even have to click through to know that this was a seldo jerk.
<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 15 |
programmingcirclejerk | fp_weenie | e9msmsw | <|sols|><|sot|>There is a potential future in which all open-source software written in any language agglomerates into a single giant pool of useful libraries available on npm.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1061461917963816960<|eol|><|sor|>the 10x version of an ABI :3<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 10 |
programmingcirclejerk | HandshakeOfCO | e9n6b5d | <|sols|><|sot|>There is a potential future in which all open-source software written in any language agglomerates into a single giant pool of useful libraries available on npm.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1061461917963816960<|eol|><|sor|>Taco Bell was the only restaurant to survive the franchise war. Now all restaurants are Taco Bell.<|eor|><|sor|>npm install threeShells<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 10 |
programmingcirclejerk | categorical-girl | e9of0dd | <|sols|><|sot|>There is a potential future in which all open-source software written in any language agglomerates into a single giant pool of useful libraries available on npm.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1061461917963816960<|eol|><|sor|>which level of hell is this again?<|eor|><|sor|>Cerberus is basically a named tuple. This is way past him.<|eor|><|sor|>> cerberus, three headed dog
> tuple, two elements couple.
Dude, at least name it triple <|eor|><|sor|>Tuple is not two-ple:
>The term originated as an abstraction of the sequence: single, double, triple, quadruple, quintuple, sextuple, septuple, octuple, ...,ntuple, ..., where the prefixes are taken from theLatinnames of the numerals.
- Wikipedia<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 10 |
programmingcirclejerk | defunkydrummer | 8eext9 | <|sols|><|sot|>The era of hackers is over, because RAM prices have reduced 200 times, but developer salaries don't.<|eot|><|sol|>https://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/227154-the-era-of-hackers-is-over/fulltext<|eol|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 147 |
programmingcirclejerk | defunkydrummer | dxum7iw | <|sols|><|sot|>The era of hackers is over, because RAM prices have reduced 200 times, but developer salaries don't.<|eot|><|sol|>https://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/227154-the-era-of-hackers-is-over/fulltext<|eol|><|soopr|>>Programmers do not need to write much code anymore; all they need to do in most cases is wire together already available components.
&&
>Finally, programmer salaries have skyrocketed in the last few decades. In 2000, when one gigabyte of memory still cost $1,000, the average senior programmer earned around $80,000 in Silicon Valley. In 2018, they are currently making three times more, while RAM is 200 times cheaper.
&&
>The profession now requires less mathematics and algorithms and instead emphasizes more skills under the umbrella term "sociotech."
Note: This stuff is not on Proggit, HN or Medium (the benchmarks for reliable sources of jerk.) No, sir, it is posted in an **ACM** blog, believe it or not!
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<|eoopr|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 70 |
programmingcirclejerk | defunkydrummer | dxuq05v | <|sols|><|sot|>The era of hackers is over, because RAM prices have reduced 200 times, but developer salaries don't.<|eot|><|sol|>https://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/227154-the-era-of-hackers-is-over/fulltext<|eol|><|soopr|>>Programmers do not need to write much code anymore; all they need to do in most cases is wire together already available components.
&&
>Finally, programmer salaries have skyrocketed in the last few decades. In 2000, when one gigabyte of memory still cost $1,000, the average senior programmer earned around $80,000 in Silicon Valley. In 2018, they are currently making three times more, while RAM is 200 times cheaper.
&&
>The profession now requires less mathematics and algorithms and instead emphasizes more skills under the umbrella term "sociotech."
Note: This stuff is not on Proggit, HN or Medium (the benchmarks for reliable sources of jerk.) No, sir, it is posted in an **ACM** blog, believe it or not!
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<|eoopr|><|sor|>> more skills under the umbrella term "sociotech."
I beg your pardon?<|eor|><|soopr|>> sociotech
It must be something oppposite to "technojihadist."
<|eoopr|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 56 |
programmingcirclejerk | to11mtm | dxuwaa5 | <|sols|><|sot|>The era of hackers is over, because RAM prices have reduced 200 times, but developer salaries don't.<|eot|><|sol|>https://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/227154-the-era-of-hackers-is-over/fulltext<|eol|><|sor|>> Finally, programmer salaries have skyrocketed in the last few decades. In 2000, when one gigabyte of memory still cost $1,000, the average senior programmer earned around $80,000 in Silicon Valley. In 2018, they are currently making three times more, while RAM is 200 times cheaper.
California is a terrible example for salaries. The cost of living is so high that wages are artificially inflated.
Besides; Web-Apps have to serve a lot more users, and memory isn't as cheap in the cloud, which someone just had to decide was where your app had to go, actual value-add be damned.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 41 |
programmingcirclejerk | tfw_no_pylons | dxuvfyx | <|sols|><|sot|>The era of hackers is over, because RAM prices have reduced 200 times, but developer salaries don't.<|eot|><|sol|>https://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/227154-the-era-of-hackers-is-over/fulltext<|eol|><|sor|>\> ctrl + f "inflation"
\> no results found
hmmmmmm<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 40 |
programmingcirclejerk | codemonkey14 | dxux3rc | <|sols|><|sot|>The era of hackers is over, because RAM prices have reduced 200 times, but developer salaries don't.<|eot|><|sol|>https://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/227154-the-era-of-hackers-is-over/fulltext<|eol|><|sor|>Damn you Go and your brutal practicality! how can I fuel my smug superiority complex if I'm not spending thousands of dollars of company time and resources solving problems that have been solved hundreds of times before me!? <|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 33 |
programmingcirclejerk | r2d2_21 | dxupifz | <|sols|><|sot|>The era of hackers is over, because RAM prices have reduced 200 times, but developer salaries don't.<|eot|><|sol|>https://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/227154-the-era-of-hackers-is-over/fulltext<|eol|><|soopr|>>Programmers do not need to write much code anymore; all they need to do in most cases is wire together already available components.
&&
>Finally, programmer salaries have skyrocketed in the last few decades. In 2000, when one gigabyte of memory still cost $1,000, the average senior programmer earned around $80,000 in Silicon Valley. In 2018, they are currently making three times more, while RAM is 200 times cheaper.
&&
>The profession now requires less mathematics and algorithms and instead emphasizes more skills under the umbrella term "sociotech."
Note: This stuff is not on Proggit, HN or Medium (the benchmarks for reliable sources of jerk.) No, sir, it is posted in an **ACM** blog, believe it or not!
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<|eoopr|><|sor|>> more skills under the umbrella term "sociotech."
I beg your pardon?<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 28 |
programmingcirclejerk | Dockirby | dxv55rm | <|sols|><|sot|>The era of hackers is over, because RAM prices have reduced 200 times, but developer salaries don't.<|eot|><|sol|>https://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/227154-the-era-of-hackers-is-over/fulltext<|eol|><|sor|>TIL we should be pinning programmer salaries to the price of RAM.
Also: DDR4 is pretty expensive right now, I better ask for a raise tomorrow!<|eor|><|sor|>The article is mainly saying that quick to write/change/maintain code is more valuable than absolutely efficient code, because professionals aren't getting cheaper while hardware is.
This isn't to say that you should just toss performance concerns out the door and make all applications with election, but if you have the option of making a 10 statement algorithm in an hour using standard libraries for a piece of functionality, or a 200 line version that uses half as much memory but takes 40 hours to write and 2 hours for a new person to understand, you are often better with the former, especially if you don't have a real need for that functionality to be super efficient (Like if it used 10KB per day before, but now uses 5KB, you likely will never make up costs).
The issue is some people take "Value maintainability over efficiency" as a blank check to not worry about performance at all. <|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 26 |
programmingcirclejerk | InvisibleEar | dxuta18 | <|sols|><|sot|>The era of hackers is over, because RAM prices have reduced 200 times, but developer salaries don't.<|eot|><|sol|>https://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/227154-the-era-of-hackers-is-over/fulltext<|eol|><|sor|>Someone is mad they got rejected from a web dev job for some little shit willing to work for half as much<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 23 |
programmingcirclejerk | statistmonad | dxvfule | <|sols|><|sot|>The era of hackers is over, because RAM prices have reduced 200 times, but developer salaries don't.<|eot|><|sol|>https://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/227154-the-era-of-hackers-is-over/fulltext<|eol|><|sor|>TIL we should be pinning programmer salaries to the price of RAM.
Also: DDR4 is pretty expensive right now, I better ask for a raise tomorrow!<|eor|><|sor|>This is how you get more electron apps.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 21 |
programmingcirclejerk | CaffeinatedT | dxuysa0 | <|sols|><|sot|>The era of hackers is over, because RAM prices have reduced 200 times, but developer salaries don't.<|eot|><|sol|>https://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/227154-the-era-of-hackers-is-over/fulltext<|eol|><|sor|>> Because the cost of computers continues to grow cheaper and the cost for employing programmers continues to increase, maintainability continues to dominate the programming landscape as the primary virtue of almost any software. The end result is that these "Hackers" who spend their days writing complex, cryptic code will soon find themselves out of the market.
Its not 'writing ridiculous unmaintainable solutions to already solved problems in spaghetti code' its 'hacking'...<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 16 |
programmingcirclejerk | SelfDistinction | dxvfy42 | <|sols|><|sot|>The era of hackers is over, because RAM prices have reduced 200 times, but developer salaries don't.<|eot|><|sol|>https://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/227154-the-era-of-hackers-is-over/fulltext<|eol|><|soopr|>>Programmers do not need to write much code anymore; all they need to do in most cases is wire together already available components.
&&
>Finally, programmer salaries have skyrocketed in the last few decades. In 2000, when one gigabyte of memory still cost $1,000, the average senior programmer earned around $80,000 in Silicon Valley. In 2018, they are currently making three times more, while RAM is 200 times cheaper.
&&
>The profession now requires less mathematics and algorithms and instead emphasizes more skills under the umbrella term "sociotech."
Note: This stuff is not on Proggit, HN or Medium (the benchmarks for reliable sources of jerk.) No, sir, it is posted in an **ACM** blog, believe it or not!
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<|eoopr|><|sor|>> &&
I read this as and-and, but in code I always read it as and
Anyone remember back in like early facebook/myspace days people (usually girls) would use && a lot? like "I love my band && flowers && my dog"<|eor|><|sor|>They were actually undercover programmers, though.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 16 |
programmingcirclejerk | aquoad | dxvc7v5 | <|sols|><|sot|>The era of hackers is over, because RAM prices have reduced 200 times, but developer salaries don't.<|eot|><|sol|>https://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/227154-the-era-of-hackers-is-over/fulltext<|eol|><|sor|>TIL we should be pinning programmer salaries to the price of RAM.
Also: DDR4 is pretty expensive right now, I better ask for a raise tomorrow!<|eor|><|sor|>The article is mainly saying that quick to write/change/maintain code is more valuable than absolutely efficient code, because professionals aren't getting cheaper while hardware is.
This isn't to say that you should just toss performance concerns out the door and make all applications with election, but if you have the option of making a 10 statement algorithm in an hour using standard libraries for a piece of functionality, or a 200 line version that uses half as much memory but takes 40 hours to write and 2 hours for a new person to understand, you are often better with the former, especially if you don't have a real need for that functionality to be super efficient (Like if it used 10KB per day before, but now uses 5KB, you likely will never make up costs).
The issue is some people take "Value maintainability over efficiency" as a blank check to not worry about performance at all. <|eor|><|sor|>Ok but that was already true 10 years ago. And if you're good enough to write the ultimately memory-efficient implementation of something you can probably find some other useful area to use your talents.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 15 |
programmingcirclejerk | ExBigBoss | dxuws2w | <|sols|><|sot|>The era of hackers is over, because RAM prices have reduced 200 times, but developer salaries don't.<|eot|><|sol|>https://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/227154-the-era-of-hackers-is-over/fulltext<|eol|><|sor|>Interesting, maintainability is the most expensive/critical part of a project.
But unfortunately, he got it all ass backwards. RAM is very pricy these days and sites receive more traffic than ever. Consoles will always be hardware-bound. And as will embedded programs. Desktop apps have more freedom.
If anything, this is bringing back a resurgence back to algorithmic and machine efficiency along with putting the virtues of static typing center stage.
<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 14 |
programmingcirclejerk | bumblebritches57 | dxuwri5 | <|sols|><|sot|>The era of hackers is over, because RAM prices have reduced 200 times, but developer salaries don't.<|eot|><|sol|>https://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/227154-the-era-of-hackers-is-over/fulltext<|eol|><|soopr|>>Programmers do not need to write much code anymore; all they need to do in most cases is wire together already available components.
&&
>Finally, programmer salaries have skyrocketed in the last few decades. In 2000, when one gigabyte of memory still cost $1,000, the average senior programmer earned around $80,000 in Silicon Valley. In 2018, they are currently making three times more, while RAM is 200 times cheaper.
&&
>The profession now requires less mathematics and algorithms and instead emphasizes more skills under the umbrella term "sociotech."
Note: This stuff is not on Proggit, HN or Medium (the benchmarks for reliable sources of jerk.) No, sir, it is posted in an **ACM** blog, believe it or not!
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<|eoopr|><|sor|>> &&
I read this as and-and, but in code I always read it as and
Anyone remember back in like early facebook/myspace days people (usually girls) would use && a lot? like "I love my band && flowers && my dog"<|eor|><|sor|>Yeah, what was up with that?<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 14 |
programmingcirclejerk | last-mit-hacker | dxvryxk | <|sols|><|sot|>The era of hackers is over, because RAM prices have reduced 200 times, but developer salaries don't.<|eot|><|sol|>https://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/227154-the-era-of-hackers-is-over/fulltext<|eol|><|soopr|>>Programmers do not need to write much code anymore; all they need to do in most cases is wire together already available components.
&&
>Finally, programmer salaries have skyrocketed in the last few decades. In 2000, when one gigabyte of memory still cost $1,000, the average senior programmer earned around $80,000 in Silicon Valley. In 2018, they are currently making three times more, while RAM is 200 times cheaper.
&&
>The profession now requires less mathematics and algorithms and instead emphasizes more skills under the umbrella term "sociotech."
Note: This stuff is not on Proggit, HN or Medium (the benchmarks for reliable sources of jerk.) No, sir, it is posted in an **ACM** blog, believe it or not!
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<|eoopr|><|sor|>This nature is what patriarch Sussman said when he stopped teaching scheme at MIT.
(quote
> that they felt that the SICP curriculum no longer prepared engineers for what engineering is like today. Sussman said that in the 80s and 90s, engineers built complex systems by combining simple and well-understood parts. The goal of SICP was to provide the abstraction language for reasoning about such systems.
>Today, this is no longer the case. Sussman pointed out that engineers now routinely write code for complicated hardware that they dont fully understand (and often cant understand because of trade secrecy.) The same is true at the software level, since programming environments consist of gigantic libraries with enormous functionality. According to Sussman, his students spend most of their time reading manuals for these libraries to figure out how to stitch them together to get a job done. )[0]
Today is the era of leftpad-ers and massive libraries. The era where sepples boost-ers replace the honest C craftsmen that design their own linked list and string libraries (segfaults be damned).
The world is enflamed in the ever growing decadence of those who seek to replace the Real Programmers^tm with quiche eating jabbascript writiing pointer avoiding shells who prefer to spend their time drinking soylent and writing blog posts than they would patching fetchmail.
[0] http://www.posteriorscience.net/?p=206<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 12 |
programmingcirclejerk | Arkaad | dxuxor0 | <|sols|><|sot|>The era of hackers is over, because RAM prices have reduced 200 times, but developer salaries don't.<|eot|><|sol|>https://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/227154-the-era-of-hackers-is-over/fulltext<|eol|><|sor|>>By Yegor Bugayenko
I follow him on his blog for his funny articles, didn't know he writes elsewhere too.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 11 |
programmingcirclejerk | dreampwnzor | 5qkjfr | <|sols|><|sot|>Data Rockstar<|eot|><|sol|>http://i.imgur.com/zQLNKwt.jpg<|eol|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 145 |
programmingcirclejerk | l2protoss | dd0bbsl | <|sols|><|sot|>Data Rockstar<|eot|><|sol|>http://i.imgur.com/zQLNKwt.jpg<|eol|><|sor|><unjerk>
Okay this is the shit that really pisses me off. These are the people that make my life hell. These are the individuals who tell my boss how cool it would be to see a bubble chart by "metric we don't track x" by "metric we don't track y". These are the individuals who should not be allowed near a database due to how totally shit their understanding of cardinality is. These are the the idiots who report 3x earnings because they don't know how to do a join, but they watched a 2 minute "how to make a line chart in PowerBI" YouTube video. Fuck me. Fuck this. Fuck your motherfucking life.
</unjerk><|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 84 |
programmingcirclejerk | senj | dd00yiq | <|sols|><|sot|>Data Rockstar<|eot|><|sol|>http://i.imgur.com/zQLNKwt.jpg<|eol|><|sor|>I'm a pretty big wheel down at the cracker factory<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 30 |
programmingcirclejerk | axisofdenial | dd0lh4i | <|sols|><|sot|>Data Rockstar<|eot|><|sol|>http://i.imgur.com/zQLNKwt.jpg<|eol|><|sor|>[business intelligence explained](https://imgur.com/gallery/qxsCO)<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 19 |
programmingcirclejerk | Wallblacksheep | dd08ek3 | <|sols|><|sot|>Data Rockstar<|eot|><|sol|>http://i.imgur.com/zQLNKwt.jpg<|eol|><|sor|>[deleted]<|eor|><|sor|>HR Recruiter Engineer, RnD.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 18 |
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