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[841.30 --> 842.88] There is no such thing as messing up. |
[842.92 --> 846.04] And, you know, they, they sent us an idea and worst case scenario, we helped them evolve |
[846.04 --> 849.84] that idea of an article, um, into something even better. |
[849.84 --> 854.10] And that helps lift up the, uh, you know, the SAS community. |
[854.10 --> 859.76] And like you'd mentioned having a certain topic to kind of write upon, we don't always have |
[859.76 --> 864.10] a go-to person, uh, on the team already to, to kind of write one of those. |
[864.10 --> 865.98] And somebody can bring that idea to us. |
[866.08 --> 868.22] And it's, uh, it's a lot easier. |
[868.22 --> 873.60] And we've, I like the way to also how we've kind of dissected the SAS ways content. |
[873.76 --> 879.52] You got a, you got beginner, which makes sense because not everybody is, uh, is, you know, |
[879.52 --> 884.94] a SAS guru, so to speak, you know, no one really has an expertise and not everybody has |
[884.94 --> 889.06] an expertise level and then you got intermediate and then you got advanced and that's fit pretty |
[889.06 --> 889.44] well too. |
[889.50 --> 895.16] Can you speak to maybe how that's played into helping, um, the community kind of, uh, with |
[895.16 --> 898.48] training will, so to speak, get to mastery with, with SAS? |
[899.42 --> 909.46] Well, I mean, I, the best way to kind of answer that in my opinion is, is that I, you know, |
[909.46 --> 916.40] I've, I've been using SAS for a number of years and, um, I know it pretty well backwards |
[916.40 --> 922.54] and forwards, but even, even so, for some reason, I can never remember the syntax for |
[922.54 --> 924.16] like how to write a for loop in SAS. |
[925.20 --> 927.34] And it's the funniest thing. |
[927.34 --> 927.64] Wait, hang on. |
[927.82 --> 930.84] Do you go back to the article then and every, and keep refreshing yourself? |
[930.84 --> 935.96] So the funniest thing is, is that like, I'll just type it into Google, like for loop SAS. |
[935.96 --> 942.22] And like the first thing that comes up as an article on this SAS way, um, on how to write, |
[942.30 --> 945.48] you know, for loops and if statements and things like that. |
[945.48 --> 953.96] And so I really see us, um, and I, I think we've kind of gone back and forth a little bit |
[953.96 --> 960.92] about, you know, are we a news organization or are we, um, you know, are, are we trying to |
[960.92 --> 963.12] stay sort of current in the things that we're writing about? |
[963.12 --> 969.44] Um, I mean, normally like with a blog, it's like this progressive, uh, series of ideas |
[969.44 --> 974.38] that, you know, you're blogging about, but the SAS way has really become much more the |
[974.38 --> 983.22] website about, uh, tutorials and the best tutorials, um, that you can find on SAS, uh, for the most |
[983.22 --> 986.42] part are curated and kept here on the SAS way. |
[986.42 --> 993.56] Um, so I, I definitely see it as like, I feel like the service that we're providing in the SAS |
[993.56 --> 1001.44] community is just that easy onboarding and like understanding how to, um, to use SAS, how to |
[1001.44 --> 1006.68] structure your SAS projects, all of that kind of stuff where we're trying to write about it to help |
[1006.68 --> 1015.02] and assist you. And so for a number of the, just getting started sort of topics, um, I think we're, |
[1015.14 --> 1023.54] we've, we've been a great strength to the SAS community and, and that regard, um, making it so |
[1023.54 --> 1028.80] much easier for people to get, get on board. So that's where kind of, I would see the beginner stuff. |
[1028.80 --> 1034.58] Um, in particular, um, we just had one of the articles that was contributed was on, |
[1034.66 --> 1043.24] you know, choosing great variable names. Um, and in some ways it's a really simple article. |
[1044.14 --> 1051.48] Um, but he's pointing out, uh, that this guy, Frank from South Africa is just pointing out that, |
[1051.48 --> 1058.78] um, you know, naming variables like red and blue and green, |
[1058.78 --> 1066.80] and things like that. And using those throughout your code, uh, isn't a good idea. Um, instead |
[1066.80 --> 1072.26] using variable names like brand color or accent color, or trying to think of the semantic sort of |
[1072.26 --> 1081.10] value that you're capturing there, um, is helpful. And while for somebody who's been writing code for a |
[1081.10 --> 1091.26] long time, that might seem, um, just so obvious that you should, you know, choose good variable names |
[1091.26 --> 1096.34] for people that the thing that we have to remember is, is that a lot of people that are using SAS are |
[1096.34 --> 1103.32] people that have come to it from the design world, not the coding world. And they, they need tips on |
[1103.32 --> 1111.52] like how to code well. And, um, so yeah, I, I'm, I think I've kind of gotten off track here, but |
[1111.52 --> 1115.12] I feel you though. And, you know, what, I think the point you're making there that's really |
[1115.12 --> 1119.56] important is that, um, is that while that particular article you're talking about from, |
[1119.56 --> 1125.30] from Frank is, uh, seems simplistic, it's the obvious sometimes that I think we serve the SAS |
[1125.30 --> 1131.64] community because yeah, sure. It, it makes sense that, you know, the variables should be, |
[1131.64 --> 1135.54] you know, should have semantic names and they should make sense, but not everybody really |
[1135.54 --> 1140.10] understands that. And it's, I think it almost feels like a position that the community blesses. |
[1140.10 --> 1144.54] Like this is a community guideline for lack of better terms. And because it ends up on the SAS way |
[1144.54 --> 1150.18] and makes it through this open publishing model where everyone who watches and stars, the repo kind |
[1150.18 --> 1154.84] of gets these updates. Like there's a new issue, there's a new pull request. There's some dialogue |
[1154.84 --> 1159.90] happening about this particular article. And it gets through this system that even though it's an obvious |
[1159.90 --> 1165.60] idea, choosing great variable names. Sure. That is obvious, but I think the way of Frank and even |
[1165.60 --> 1172.90] the comment you left today pointing back to Gina's, uh, style guide for SAS slang, you know, that's, |
[1173.00 --> 1178.82] that's remarkable. Like, you know, she's got all these different colors identified and they're not like |
[1178.82 --> 1185.88] slightly pink and a little bit more pink. It's like hot bush and bouquet and Venus, you know, |
[1185.88 --> 1189.82] they're not, they got like cool names and you know, I think that makes sense. |
[1191.66 --> 1199.56] Yeah. And then she uses those colors. She assigns them to, uh, like text colors and, um, accent colors |
[1199.56 --> 1208.54] and background colors. Um, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I say, I would see us as kind of a jumping off point |
[1208.54 --> 1214.30] to kind of discuss best practices and how, how they're implemented. There's been a number of articles |
[1214.30 --> 1221.66] where the way that I finished it up is just, Hey, go check out these other repositories, right? You |
[1221.66 --> 1227.34] know, go look at what compass does, go look at, at these other projects, Octopress and other things |
[1227.34 --> 1235.06] to see how you structure your SAS projects or, or other things like that. So some of it, um, you know, |
[1235.06 --> 1240.70] I knew, uh, SAS community has been really blessed with some very talented people working on the, uh, |
[1240.70 --> 1249.98] the SAS, uh, laying website. Um, but, uh, a lot of where they're at right now is just kind of |
[1249.98 --> 1257.34] informational. Um, you know, just trying to help people download and get started with SAS kind of |
[1257.34 --> 1268.10] thing. Um, whereas I think we've, the SAS way is more about that conversation and, um, you know, |
[1268.10 --> 1274.50] how do you use SAS in your everyday life kind of thing. Um, so yeah. Well, back someone asked me, |
[1274.50 --> 1280.38] I can't recall who it was, but somebody said, well, well, this, you know, SAS has good documentation |
[1280.38 --> 1285.82] and so does compass. Why are you guys creating this blog? Like, what's the point? And I'm like, |
[1285.82 --> 1290.16] well, not everybody wants to go and read documentation. I mean, documentation is great. |
[1290.16 --> 1296.46] You need it. It works, but to get started, somebody doesn't go always to the docs and say, |
[1296.56 --> 1302.18] okay, let me just get lost in there. You kind of need this guide. And I feel like what we've done |
[1302.18 --> 1305.68] with the SAS way and what we try to do, at least when we invite people to do, and the reason why |
[1305.68 --> 1311.74] we've open sourced it to, to invite everyone to fork it and submit their article and pull request |
[1311.74 --> 1318.62] is that, uh, you know, going to the docs and reading those isn't always an easy way to get started |
[1318.62 --> 1324.62] or an easy way to reach mastery or to know that, you know, there's a better way to do variable |
[1324.62 --> 1329.40] naming. Uh, sometimes you need somebody from the community to kind of guide you through that. |
[1329.44 --> 1334.84] And that's, that's sort of like, you know, the documentations serves that, but it's, it's a |
[1334.84 --> 1340.50] little dry, you know, whereas we kind of bring it to life. We bring it to life. And, um, I think we |
[1340.50 --> 1347.58] kind of show like how you practically use something. So like to give you an example, um, I wrote an article |
[1347.58 --> 1354.98] a couple of months ago about, um, mix-ins for semi-transparent colors. Um, and you know, |
[1354.98 --> 1363.16] how do you provide like browser fallbacks? Not all browsers support RGBA colors. Um, and |
[1363.16 --> 1370.50] since they don't like particularly internet support eight, like how can you use SAS to make your life |
[1370.50 --> 1378.14] easier, um, with calculating two sets of colors for those attributes? And so that's what that article |
[1378.14 --> 1385.44] is about. But what you're introduced to is, well, functions like the RGBA. Um, you're also introduced |
[1385.44 --> 1391.58] to mix-ins, uh, in the course of the article and you're like seeing like how, you know, these are |
[1391.58 --> 1396.82] developed, what the thought processes are, are, are behind that. And you might come across something |
[1396.82 --> 1404.56] like default attributes or something like that, that you didn't know about before. Um, so I think |
[1404.56 --> 1412.90] a lot of what we do is sort of a community awareness kind of thing. Uh, just encouraging people to talk |
[1412.90 --> 1419.62] about and think about SAS and how they're using it, um, in that regard and sort of learn, you're not |
[1419.62 --> 1426.24] going to read documentation from page one to, to the end kind of thing. Right. Um, instead you're going to |
[1426.24 --> 1432.38] pick up and try and use what you have and sometimes you don't realize there are, you know, better ways |
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