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[1692.36 --> 1698.14] and and that came sort of out of the expression engine community one of the developers i think his |
[1698.14 --> 1704.64] name is brandon kelly i hope i get that right um who who did a lot of plugins and and sort of the |
[1704.64 --> 1710.44] most popular plugins for expression engine made his own cms and and it's really elegant there's like |
[1710.44 --> 1718.36] a lot of extremely impressive pieces to it but it's still to me just at a certain point feels a little |
[1718.36 --> 1724.88] bit like just rows you know tables of lists and then you click and you're in a detail view and you know |
[1724.88 --> 1733.10] like uh that very sort of straightforward um database administration feel well now that we've |
[1733.10 --> 1739.76] talked a bit about i guess some of maybe your your competitors enemies inspiration whatever however |
[1739.76 --> 1743.98] you want to word that obviously you're building this around the community on assembly so how does |
[1743.98 --> 1749.66] how has and how does and how is the the community that's sort of because you've got 294 followers on |
[1749.66 --> 1754.86] assembly for this project i don't know how many are really actively involved or involved or |
[1754.86 --> 1761.64] contributing ideas but how do they help funnel this idea of monetization and the overall what |
[1761.64 --> 1767.30] would be the architecture of how you build this product so this is kind of like a weird answer but |
[1767.30 --> 1774.22] kind of not enough in some ways i i wish there was a little bit more or i wish you know i knew of |
[1774.22 --> 1778.84] people that i could just say okay this is my team of five people that i can ask these sort of |
[1778.84 --> 1786.58] high level big questions too regarding the multi-tenant sort of ambitions i think that i am |
[1786.58 --> 1792.98] planning a blog post i might put it out tomorrow or monday about this and sort of asking the community |
[1792.98 --> 1797.70] what do they think do they have ideas that kind of thing um i didn't want to publish that blog post |
[1797.70 --> 1804.80] until i had a little bit more concrete plan on how we would do it which um i'm going to outline in |
[1804.80 --> 1814.08] there but uh in some ways like and and it also sort of goes up and down like uh some weeks uh there |
[1814.08 --> 1821.26] will be no activity on assembly and i'll um i'll like sort of post things in the chat and and it just |
[1821.26 --> 1826.92] goes quiet for a couple days or like a week um and then other weeks i'll get you know people making |
[1826.92 --> 1833.78] bounties people adding pull requests sort of every day yeah um and i guess that's kind of typical for |
[1833.78 --> 1839.72] all open source software or at least in the beginning in the early stages but it's it's an |
[1839.72 --> 1849.22] odd thing to create a cms i think because or even any sort of big uh i guess app and not just something |
[1849.22 --> 1855.94] that's a framework or a tool or a library uh which i guess is what i'm used to because like |
[1855.94 --> 1861.16] you know your trajectory is so far right i mean you go so many different directions and everybody has an |
[1861.16 --> 1867.50] opinion and and i also just don't like if i put myself in somebody else's shoes like i would never |
[1867.50 --> 1875.16] use buckets like who who um who wants to build he just say that jerry i think he did i'm trying to |
[1875.16 --> 1882.70] wait for the for the rest of the sentence at this stage i i shall uh supplement it with at this at this |
[1882.70 --> 1891.02] stage like who would build a website um you know for a client on alpha software um yeah personally i |
[1891.02 --> 1897.60] would not uh and and i don't expect anyone to but at the same time it's you know it's hard for somebody |
[1897.60 --> 1904.92] to play with something or to you know experiment or uh test something uh you know 10-15 hours a week |
[1904.92 --> 1910.26] when they're not doing something productive with it at the same time you know unless though unless they |
[1910.26 --> 1916.00] have the same pain as you and they want buckets to exist just because of the same ideas and the |
[1916.00 --> 1920.68] same pain points you've experienced which is exactly a good builder experience and a good client level |
[1920.68 --> 1928.60] experience that surpasses others that are in your space yep totally and i think i've had uh from |
[1928.60 --> 1936.70] assembly maybe two or three people who have really um done a surprising amount more than i expected |
[1936.70 --> 1944.06] uh with certain parts of the the app so how does that work when somebody wants to get involved with |
[1944.06 --> 1951.62] buckets via assembly do they just sign up and say i'm here i can help i think this is cool and you say |
[1951.62 --> 1960.84] okay can you say no um no i can't say no interestingly i just had a spam sign up the first one ever like uh |
[1960.84 --> 1966.20] a week ago i don't know if it was spam maybe the guy really like his grandma's really sick or something but |
[1966.20 --> 1972.28] um but i can't i can't get him out of there i think they're going to help me out with that at some |
[1972.28 --> 1979.10] point but um no they uh it's actually it's very much like you just described in fact if you go to |
[1979.10 --> 1986.38] assembly.com slash buckets like uh they just revamped the uh sort of home page feed and you can see |
[1986.38 --> 1992.22] people's bios as they're signing up um they just pop in and i think when they sign up for a project |
[1992.22 --> 1997.46] uh assembly ask them hey say a little bit about yourself why why are you interested in buckets |
[1997.46 --> 2003.48] and so they usually say you know oh i've uh you know i'm a java developer i've played around with |
[2003.48 --> 2009.20] uh some node or you know uh i'm more on the marketing side but i'd love to help that type of thing |
[2009.20 --> 2016.78] and then i typically you know i i try to sort of give everybody a custom hello and and make sure |
[2016.78 --> 2022.88] you know they can find the things uh if if they want to help if they want to contribute like i i i'm |
[2022.88 --> 2028.60] always telling people if if you need a bounty like i think there's like a hundred some on assembly right |
[2028.60 --> 2035.56] now um because i basically will throw any idea i have into the bounties um if you want a bounty |
[2035.56 --> 2043.08] literally just ping me either im me or twitter dm me or or hit me up in the assembly chat and just say |
[2043.08 --> 2049.12] this is the type of stuff i like to do um and i'll find one for you i can find one within 10 minutes |
[2049.12 --> 2055.88] so as a project owner you create the bounties um i think anybody can create the bounties i hope |
[2055.88 --> 2060.88] anybody can yeah any so if you sign up anybody can create a bounty anybody can create a discussion |
[2060.88 --> 2067.16] yeah and then um i don't know how the assignment of coins applies to that but i'm assuming that's |
[2067.16 --> 2074.02] probably something that's on your side um i i don't know yeah again because uh i don't i want |
[2074.02 --> 2078.48] to but i don't play with sort of other people's projects much i just don't have enough time i would |
[2078.48 --> 2084.88] love to like just jump in on somebody else's too but um yeah so i know what it's like for me when i |
[2084.88 --> 2091.10] create a bounty and it gives me sort of the coin um interface but i i don't know what it looks like |
[2091.10 --> 2096.88] to anyone else i doubt they would just let you create a bounty with zero coin value yeah |
[2097.16 --> 2103.68] you gotta give up something right yeah and then the interesting thing is every bounty uh dilutes |
[2103.68 --> 2109.62] the pull of coins is simply added on top um so you're not subtracting from a hole you're actually |
[2109.62 --> 2117.52] just adding yeah like a lot you know because yeah that's better like let's say you own 10 percent of |
[2117.52 --> 2123.94] buckets um it sort of guarantees that you have to keep doing something not a not a lot but in fact |
[2123.94 --> 2130.32] less so sort of exponentially over time but uh you have to do something to maintain that 10 percent |
[2130.32 --> 2139.28] level you know right so man it sounds like this is a little bit wild west in the sense of okay from |
[2139.28 --> 2145.04] from a from a person who's trying to get involved it's very speculative it's you're investing it's |
[2145.04 --> 2149.92] kind of like kickstarter for open source to a certain degree as far as you're not selling people |
[2149.92 --> 2153.50] you're not trying to get people's money you're trying to get their time and you pitch them on |
[2153.50 --> 2158.30] your project and for them they're investing their time and their skills into something that they hope |
[2158.30 --> 2163.54] will make money some at some point yeah and yet somebody somebody could come in and just completely |
[2163.54 --> 2170.20] harpoon this thing right by just being like a total loser contributor totally and that's where |
[2170.20 --> 2178.88] that's where we're a little bit i think we're on the more um special side of assembly in that way |
[2178.88 --> 2184.86] you know there are products on assembly that are already making money okay um and you know and |
[2184.86 --> 2189.08] again i think this also comes back to like a cms is a little bit different in that it's it's |
[2189.08 --> 2195.84] clearly like a long tail thing it's it means establishing a community a plug-in system you know all those |
[2195.84 --> 2201.32] things that that are not going to be you know six months away but i almost feel like they should be a |
[2201.32 --> 2208.24] little restrictive though because if you can't i feel like the for you for buckets for this open source |
[2208.24 --> 2214.80] cms that hopes to one day be a sas product that generates some revenue i feel like for you you |
[2214.80 --> 2219.22] want to be able to assemble a team that you don't personally know that you can attract people to and |
[2219.22 --> 2225.36] join a collaborative community that isn't on github because github's more open source than it is |
[2225.36 --> 2232.16] assembly um but still have free reign of like who can join the team or not like who earns their way |
[2232.16 --> 2237.72] so no no but um but you don't earn any coins unless you complete a bounty right right of course |
[2237.72 --> 2243.96] but like joining you know the discussions and just sort of like spamming like like the one person you |
[2243.96 --> 2249.14] mentioned i feel like i'm actually i'm kind of okay with i mean there's like that was only one |
[2249.14 --> 2256.30] sign up and he had a weird uh thing about his grandmother and his bio but um but aside from that |
[2256.30 --> 2262.00] you know it would get very little noise and and i actually i would actually up to the other side of |
[2262.00 --> 2268.58] that where um i i've actually and you know i talked to the assembly guys and and i'm i'm kind of friendly |
[2268.58 --> 2277.12] with them and i actually pushed them to to allow more anonymity within the app um you know for example |
[2277.12 --> 2283.82] the chat it would be great if uh anonymous people could join into the chat i think and i realize that's |
[2283.82 --> 2289.52] asking for a whole world of hurt but at the same time like i'm sure you've seen products or sites |
[2289.52 --> 2295.92] where they have sort of an open slack room that you can join if you have some sort of pre-install or |
[2295.92 --> 2302.12] pre-sales questions um yeah and i i actually like that you know and if hopefully there are tools you |
[2302.12 --> 2308.72] know for banning or whatever uh spam types of things but um but in general even like you know on github |
[2308.72 --> 2314.54] i like getting issues from random people uh and that's another thing i've discussed and we're sort |
[2314.54 --> 2321.34] of i'm sort of in the process of discussing with assembly is uh we're sort of debating whether or not |
[2321.34 --> 2328.04] to allow uh github issues because you know it's clearly creates like a little bit of confusion over |
[2328.04 --> 2335.46] okay where do i put this bug you know is it bounty or is it a uh github issue right i kind of want |
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