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[398.64 --> 405.26] to to get back onto doing some server-side logic doing just building apps uh on both sides |
[405.26 --> 413.96] and it was sort of just a thing i toyed around with the idea and i um about a year ago i was a |
[413.96 --> 422.04] designer in residence at benchmark a uh a vc firm here and they i i sort of told them about it and |
[422.04 --> 428.50] and what i wanted to do with it and they expressed interest um possibly raising a seed fund or a seed |
[428.50 --> 435.20] round for it um and so they said uh just get started just you know build the thing or at least like |
[435.20 --> 441.04] throw together a prototype and uh we'll see where it goes and after about a month of working on it i |
[441.04 --> 448.44] just kind of like threw in the towel because it was it was kind of uh isolating to to just work on it |
[448.44 --> 455.92] you know day in day out uh here out of my house and not sort of be sharing it and i the goal was always |
[455.92 --> 464.28] to open source it but it just you know it had to run first anyway uh so it was uh matthew smith |
[464.28 --> 472.48] uh whale on twitter who uh mentioned assembly and i saw that about six months ago and i thought well |
[472.48 --> 479.14] i love the idea i've always just kind of loved the idea of mixing uh some sort of commercial incentive |
[479.14 --> 486.50] with open source and i think just like without a doubt something to be done in that space um |
[486.50 --> 493.36] and so i thought this would be a great place to just throw buckets on there and see how people |
[493.36 --> 498.82] respond because you know i'd already basically given up on it or not even given up on it but just |
[498.82 --> 506.74] you know i had already burned myself out on it um and so in the beginning it was really just to seek |
[506.74 --> 511.22] you know some sort of validation of the idea like is this something people would be interested |
[511.22 --> 515.58] a lot of the especially when you're getting started especially when it's something like this |
[515.58 --> 520.42] that's sort of homegrown to a degree and and as you mentioned there quite possibly something you |
[520.42 --> 525.62] might even give up on if it's not something that other people can sort of encourage you in um you |
[525.62 --> 530.46] sort of need a tribe to to sort of validate whether it's something you should pursue or not like you |
[530.46 --> 536.48] said it's a cms isn't a new idea um some of the questions i have are you know |
[536.48 --> 541.06] why this over others that are out there what is this going to do better than some of those but |
[541.06 --> 547.98] that'll come a bit later but sure i i think if we can camp out this quickly on like taking it to |
[547.98 --> 552.08] assembly um i want to camp out there just for a little bit because it's it's sort of being built |
[552.08 --> 557.10] by the community as they say being built by the assembly community um and that validated the idea |
[557.10 --> 561.22] so what was about how long ago was that and what was the initial reaction you got |
[561.22 --> 567.32] first let's can you give us uh jennifer everybody just a general thing of what assembly is and then |
[567.32 --> 574.12] then go into the details so assembly um and i think they're still pretty early on themselves and so |
[574.12 --> 579.76] they're still figuring out but the sort of high level concept is you know you can create projects |
[579.76 --> 587.00] that are either open source or just like open source uh where anybody can contribute and that ranges from |
[587.00 --> 596.56] development like directly on github or uh design mocks or marketing even or copywriting and you |
[596.56 --> 603.94] basically you have bounties which are similar to github issues uh you say oh we need uh this feature or we need |
[603.94 --> 610.08] to be able to sign in with facebook and then as the uh project creator or as the core team you're |
[610.08 --> 617.66] actually able to assign a value um to that bounty and assembly sort of makes these values uh they use |
[617.66 --> 624.90] sort of like a cute coin system but ultimately it translates to uh just a percentage of of the |
[624.90 --> 632.92] product's potential uh profit at one point so um as pro as assembly products start making money |
[632.92 --> 639.72] they start to calculate a monthly profit fee and just simply distribute that every month |
[639.72 --> 648.70] to all of the coin holders based on how many they have that's a very sort of uh good thing but it's |
[648.70 --> 654.94] still even hard for me to grasp because it feels like it feels like it's potential like you said then |
[654.94 --> 659.00] you're not really sure how much it's going to be it feels like it's sort of upon the sky at least to me |
[659.00 --> 664.06] but that's why i'm not on assembly contributing to anything but it's it's it's a neat thing for those |
[664.06 --> 671.38] who have like one thing i liked about that though of just outside of you know the idea of not just |
[671.38 --> 675.28] contributing code like if you go to the different bounties that are there you can sort them by |
[675.28 --> 679.38] all these different things and if we sort yours by different tags you've got back end front end |
[679.38 --> 684.36] development simple challenging product you know copy marketing that's kind of neat because like if i'm a |
[684.36 --> 689.90] marketing guy that wants to jump into a product or i'm trying to you know get some notoriety some |
[689.90 --> 694.36] authority for my name or i'm just starting out you know i can hop on assembly and start |
[694.36 --> 700.72] throwing ideas at different products here and and land a team and have ownership is what you're saying |
[700.72 --> 708.02] with that those coins on bounty or on assembly and and like you said i think like i've always been sort of |
[708.02 --> 715.72] a general product kind of guy i like design i like marketing i i like copywriting and i've always sort of |
[715.72 --> 721.02] enjoyed both ends of it whether you're doing the actual hands-on work or more of a directing like |
[721.02 --> 726.78] sort of a creative directing position or something um and so like i think a great example is just our |
[726.78 --> 733.70] logo um and that's actually a good thread i like that one too a bucket yeah uh with a sort of a little |
[733.70 --> 739.06] smiley face kind of built in and that was something i mean it's simple and it's it's straightforward |
[739.06 --> 747.76] and uh a friend john peele made that um but uh it was something i i just kind of had it had a very |
[747.76 --> 753.28] rough idea i think if you saw that thread i i actually just grabbed a photo off of google image |
[753.28 --> 759.04] search literally like took four minutes um drew some eyes on it and said here's kind of like the |
[759.04 --> 765.00] concept i'm thinking and somebody illustrated and and with a great style to it and i sort of |
[765.00 --> 769.86] wanted the yellow background and everything but but ultimately it came came out as something that |
[769.86 --> 776.24] was just super simple super friendly and that's all i wanted it to be you know and it was it was |
[776.24 --> 780.26] perfect you can see the you can see the riffing too back and forth between you and the contributors |
[780.26 --> 784.94] and whale who you mentioned earlier yeah um you know sort of the iterative process too through |
[784.94 --> 792.22] this bounty slash kind of github issue ish kind of thing and see you can sort of see the morphing and |
[792.22 --> 797.34] and even the collaboration that's i like how nita came out too i think it's a it's a good direction |
[797.34 --> 804.88] but let's let's jump on sort of getting to assembly um and what that did for for you and your inertia |
[804.88 --> 813.90] towards buckets yeah i mean again i think just having people say oh hey that that would be nice uh is is a |
[813.90 --> 821.54] huge thing you know because uh especially in the like uh creating a product that is so overdone or done |
[821.54 --> 829.64] so many times um like even within the node community which is way you know way newer way younger than |
[829.64 --> 835.84] php or anything like that even within the node community there's already four or five sort of |
[835.84 --> 843.00] prominent and still they they don't really compare in terms of uh scope to wordpress or expression engine |
[843.00 --> 850.74] or drupal yet but um but still there's there's competition kind of everywhere and so you know when |
[850.74 --> 857.38] you're going to throw your hat in the ring so to speak and and try to do your own uh yeah you first |
[857.38 --> 863.26] went okay is there somebody out there who would like to see it done differently or that kind of thing |
[863.26 --> 871.24] yeah when i searched for node cms on google what there's several that came up but one that looked |
[871.24 --> 876.80] like it was decent and i sorry if i haven't seen this one before um i'm not hanging out in the |
[876.80 --> 881.10] the community too much but enough to know it's there and what's going on there keystone js was |
[881.10 --> 886.42] one of the examples and they got a decent design they've got you know a decent product direction in |
[886.42 --> 893.58] terms of what is happening with it so like you said it's for sure that's new they terrify me uh no no |
[893.58 --> 901.32] it seems super cool um and same feature set too it's node and mongo so yeah it's it's a similar |
[901.32 --> 909.08] kind of feel i think yeah um and then just to throw out the others like uh well there was one |
[909.08 --> 914.92] called calypso but it seems like that one died down and that was never uh i want to be nice on |
[914.92 --> 922.18] the show but like it was never 404 right now too pretty it was not like you know like um but then |
[922.18 --> 926.82] there's there's ghost as well which ghost is tremendously beautiful you know kickstarter project |
[926.82 --> 933.30] and it's very beautiful well designed and and actually a very similar architectural setup to |
[933.30 --> 938.92] what we have um which kind of happened by happenstance i swear i didn't copy them but um |
[938.92 --> 944.18] but the interesting thing was always that you know i knew about ghost when i started buckets but |
[944.18 --> 950.70] i i actually wanted to do something that was kind of completely the opposite in some ways uh so ghost |
[950.70 --> 956.48] basically came like looked at something like wordpress and said okay this has grown to the point where it's |
[956.48 --> 964.14] not even really great for blogging anymore uh so let's like strip it back down to to what made it |
[964.14 --> 970.42] great for blogging whereas with buckets i wanted to create a tool that was more for these big websites |
[970.42 --> 974.92] you know when you're like a web designer and you have to do a website for a university or something |
[974.92 --> 981.52] it's not so much about okay does it give you that single panel uh text area with a nice preview |
[981.52 --> 990.08] it's more about is the content structured uh correctly and and how easy is it for the um |
[990.08 --> 997.48] end user to just input content right yeah it's a there's pros and cons on on both sides that that's |
[997.48 --> 1002.68] that's where i was wondering too what you might think um of ghost versus buckets because you know |
[1002.68 --> 1007.42] people tend to take a blog software and try to make it more than it is |
[1007.42 --> 1013.90] and then you'd sometimes try to take a cms and make it a blog software and a cms and they end up |
[1013.90 --> 1019.50] doing too many jobs and not enough focus on the end user and the content because that's yeah so part of |
[1019.50 --> 1024.56] the huge piece of being a cms too is actually managing the content not just theming or design |
[1024.56 --> 1030.30] it's it's got several different totally and i look at it as like i not to say that we'll never have |
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