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[1030.30 --> 1039.60] a full page full screen markdown editor similar to ia writer or something like that uh but that's |
[1039.60 --> 1046.64] definitely not going to be a place that we head soon i see it like in in terms of like the experience i |
[1046.64 --> 1051.46] want to deliver and i think you bring you bring up a good point in that like cms's have have two |
[1051.46 --> 1058.40] audiences which is sort of the content administrators and then the designers the web designers right um and |
[1058.40 --> 1064.34] so for the content people i want it to feel like tumblr um and that was like sort of a big inspiration |
[1064.34 --> 1071.18] for buckets was this idea that you go into tumblr you have these five sort of types of posts you can |
[1071.18 --> 1081.12] create which are uh text video chat photo and link and they're just extremely well designed well tailored |
[1081.12 --> 1087.60] uh sort of input fields for these types of content and then when you're working with a system like |
[1087.60 --> 1093.70] expression engine or drupal or one of these bigger cms's you define content into these like sort of |
[1093.70 --> 1101.46] distinct blobs in a similar way uh but usually the ux just isn't even anywhere close to that tumblr |
[1101.46 --> 1107.56] experience right right and so that was sort of that's sort of the driving force for me on the |
[1107.56 --> 1114.36] the content creator side is to to make it feel like that to make more of a tumblr than a medium |
[1114.36 --> 1121.74] so i guess to those who because we've had john nolan on the show before to talk about ghost |
[1121.74 --> 1127.72] for those who think they might want to use ghost versus something else how does this differentiate |
[1127.72 --> 1133.42] from blogging software i guess in the in the bigger picture it's full-on cms where what is some of the |
[1133.42 --> 1142.26] vision for um the cms pieces so a couple things one like you create buckets and you define the fields on |
[1142.26 --> 1150.10] those buckets so you know you could create a recipe and every you say every recipe has a cover photo a |
[1150.10 --> 1159.18] title a uh list of ingredients and a uh steps let's say you know and you can sort of fine tune those |
[1159.18 --> 1166.14] fields and and uh manipulate those fields and i and i want those fields to be sort of very rich at the |
[1166.14 --> 1173.28] when you say manipulate you mean like validation um validation just sorting uh most fields come with |
[1173.28 --> 1178.64] a good amount of options but but there's still a lot of work to be done in that area but essentially |
[1178.64 --> 1185.80] that's the idea as opposed to you know every item in your cms has a title a body and an excerpt |
[1185.80 --> 1192.70] um it's much more define it yourself and so you come up with these you end up with these forms that |
[1192.70 --> 1198.96] are just sort of very specific to your content that's helpful too like you said earlier on |
[1198.96 --> 1204.84] whenever the designer the builder of this throws it over the the fence to the end user and says okay |
[1204.84 --> 1210.76] university here's your site they don't have to you know give a ton of docs it's like go here and |
[1210.76 --> 1216.42] create and exactly the form exactly like at the end of the day that that side of it if you look at |
[1216.42 --> 1223.80] all social networks or you know of a certain type that manage content you know people use them every |
[1223.80 --> 1230.80] day and and sign up for them by themselves and and figure them out right and and that essentially is |
[1230.80 --> 1236.96] what a cms is like if you look at something like pinterest it gathers photos and and puts them into this |
[1236.96 --> 1242.70] nice layout but you know that's essentially a theme that grid that you get to the content that you're |
[1242.70 --> 1249.96] adding in and there's no reason that a cms can't provide that same ease to to sort of get into it |
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[1313.56 --> 1318.12] philosophies around it where and i think you might even say we're getting there we're not quite there |
[1318.12 --> 1324.32] yet where exactly are you you know we know you're at 0.7.0 but what does that mean what yeah so the |
[1324.32 --> 1329.86] features that are built out now and like admittedly development has slowed down the past couple weeks |
[1329.86 --> 1336.40] i think partly due to uh just getting into some stuff at at the google and and sort of putting |
[1336.40 --> 1344.48] into time uh but also um i've been sort of i guess just mentally kind to trying to figure out the next |
[1344.48 --> 1351.40] place well i'll go back so at first like the the first two months or so the development was very heavy |
[1351.40 --> 1358.46] because i was i was sort of focused on that uh the admin panel which is sort of my you know what i |
[1358.46 --> 1367.00] am best at focusing on uh in terms of like ui ux the javascript uh architecture uh the whole thing is a |
[1367.00 --> 1373.30] single page app which again compared to a lot of systems out there is a lot different and which which |
[1373.30 --> 1380.92] also means it's like sort of crazy fast um when you're using the admin so i i worked on a lot of the |
[1380.92 --> 1388.28] sort of interface which is still very basic but um kind of rich in in a lot of ways and then |
[1388.28 --> 1393.80] i worked on uh search for a little while that actually hasn't even shipped yet i've just kind of |
[1393.80 --> 1398.44] kept that off to the side because i'm i'm still not 100 sure i want to go with elastic search |
[1398.44 --> 1404.66] but um but anyway it was sort of just this you know creating features creating the template |
[1404.66 --> 1410.72] parser um which is sort of based on handlebars right now and those types of things and to the |
[1410.72 --> 1418.16] point where it can now create a very basic website and and we have maybe six or seven different types |
[1418.16 --> 1424.40] of uh fields that you can add on to each bucket so now i'm i'm sort of hitting a point where |
[1424.40 --> 1431.28] i know that eventually i do want to offer this as a as a sas offering uh the more i think about it |
[1431.28 --> 1439.98] the more i think i i am in no place in terms of uh sys ops to be um sort of kicking off managed |
[1439.98 --> 1445.56] instances of buckets you know because it is node and it does have to run in a cloud environment |
[1445.56 --> 1453.70] and so sort of the clearer and and obviously much simpler path for buckets to take is is to become sort |
[1453.70 --> 1460.06] of multi-tenant and to allow you know multiple not just multiple users which it which it already |
[1460.06 --> 1465.56] supports but multiple accounts that are all creating their own websites and i'm i've been |
[1465.56 --> 1471.72] sort of been wrestling with this idea for the past two weeks because i on one hand i want the system |
[1471.72 --> 1477.60] and in some ways even though it's very different in terms of being node the architecture i want it to |
[1477.60 --> 1485.26] feel like wordpress or text pattern or those older php ones where okay i install it on my computer i can |
[1485.26 --> 1492.96] run it at localhost i move it to a server i run it over there um where if we switch to this sort of |
[1492.96 --> 1502.52] platform uh approach obviously a lot of that ease sort of goes away um it's a hard line to follow too |
[1502.52 --> 1507.46] when you make that twist because it's going to impact you know you work full-time right so you got |
[1507.46 --> 1511.92] little time and so the time you do spend you want to you want to spend on progress not exactly |
[1511.92 --> 1517.84] now you're seeing exactly why i've been uh twiddling my thumbs a little bit the past week but |
[1517.84 --> 1523.40] maybe you can come to some of these decisions here on the show i don't know but to me i feel like |
[1523.40 --> 1527.56] it comes down to figuring out your target audience right like and that's sort of a question i have |
[1527.56 --> 1532.92] next is like you know when you ship this when it's ready at whatever stage it's at the 1.0 |
[1532.92 --> 1540.04] who is you know who's your short list of the kind of people that you're going to see god is it people |
[1540.04 --> 1545.82] on squarespace is it people using wordpress as a php developers yeah tinkering with javascript and node |
[1545.82 --> 1552.20] because i'm you know because of the ubiquitousness of it lately and not lately but just the the trend |
[1552.20 --> 1556.92] of the upper trend of the last few years towards javascript and you know is it people that hack on |
[1556.92 --> 1561.94] ruby that make their own stuff like who's your customer it's definitely web designers okay and |
[1561.94 --> 1571.08] like a hundred percent i can say initially people with html and css uh experience and who want to use |
[1571.08 --> 1579.72] html and css um the the idea being that i've just always sort of thought content management uh and |
[1579.72 --> 1586.00] especially when you look at these web content management systems like you know i don't think a |
[1586.00 --> 1590.14] lot of them handle that content creation side well like we were talking about sort of on the user |
[1590.14 --> 1597.08] experience angle um but then also on the web designer angle or web developer like grabbing |
[1597.08 --> 1605.12] that content and then like putting it into a page should be extremely easy yeah um and and i you know |
[1605.12 --> 1613.30] i've always personally just cringed when i see like uh wordpress templates using raw php um things like |
[1613.30 --> 1617.84] that but so you mentioned wordpress is there anything about wordpress that you've used before that sort of |
[1617.84 --> 1623.04] because if you take the 37 signals approach it's always like have an enemy right yeah and i don't |
[1623.04 --> 1626.54] use gantt charts was base camps original thing and that's sort of what kicked that off and it was |
[1626.54 --> 1632.14] like you know it's about conversations and people not and things to do not gantt charts and graphs and |
[1632.14 --> 1636.92] whatnot so totally who's your enemy so it wouldn't be wordpress i always just say wordpress because like |
[1636.92 --> 1644.12] when you're you know it's the lowest common denominator of the net yeah um but it's really drupal uh i would |
[1644.12 --> 1651.80] definitely uh i would say drupal okay uh anything that feels like well they've got a pretty cult-like |
[1651.80 --> 1659.50] following though like anybody who does use drupal community and it's a somewhat kind of gross product |
[1659.50 --> 1665.18] uh and i i feel bad putting down anything you know at any time even on twitter and stuff but um |
[1665.18 --> 1671.10] but if i had to you know obviously i'm i'm making a competitor so there has to be some stuff out there i |
[1671.10 --> 1678.16] don't like um but drupal drupal sort of represents that you know it you look like you're using |
[1678.16 --> 1684.42] php my admin or some you know like database administration tool um |
[1684.42 --> 1692.36] yeah and and and i would say even like systems that i i'm really fond of like uh craft came out |
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