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[141.18 --> 148.70] at the changelog or what i do professionally so photography video coding design development ux |
[148.70 --> 156.42] um mentoring you know i'll probably dig into something like that you know right on top fonts |
[156.42 --> 161.80] you know for the year oh you got you got a list ui patterns i don't have a list myself i know i've |
[161.80 --> 167.02] i've used proxima nova this year i've dipped into helvetic even though i mean it's a staple |
[167.02 --> 172.98] anybody has to use that uh i've gone to i'm not sure if i'm pronouncing it properly but but babas |
[172.98 --> 182.12] b-e-b-a-s new that's a good one nice nice um slender font how about san francisco that's the new one |
[182.12 --> 188.50] right i haven't seen that one that's the new one that apple is releasing as a part of ios 8 or |
[188.50 --> 194.96] i don't remember so there you go i'm obviously not up on the times i try to be you know tech moves |
[194.96 --> 201.68] fast not just open source right no doubt no doubt so yeah yeah and i i like that stuff i dig it i dig |
[201.68 --> 205.50] those lists it kind of depends on how relevant it is so if it's relevant then definitely i'll dig into |
[205.50 --> 213.90] it sure what about you yeah i mean i think it's easy to get burnt out on those things um i don't i |
[213.90 --> 221.16] don't usually participate in uh like the big end of year roundups um i do actually write one usually |
[221.16 --> 228.10] on my own site which is a little bit sentimental uh just like the stuff that i like the i call it |
[228.10 --> 232.48] beloved bits it's like the the things that i found during that year that were they have to be |
[232.48 --> 239.54] anatomically digital like that's my my criteria and so i'll just like my favorite movies uh video |
[239.54 --> 245.24] games like mac apps ios apps yeah that kind of stuff so i do one even though i'm kind of like |
[245.24 --> 251.04] anti that kind of thing so i'm very hypocritical in that way i write one but i don't read them yeah |
[251.04 --> 256.80] they all suck except mine what what about the like the we saw this recently in the change law |
[256.80 --> 262.58] weekly like the state of javascript or the state of pearl in 2014 or 2015 yeah those are similar to |
[262.58 --> 268.70] that what about those yeah absolutely like i think i i read that uh the state of javascript in in |
[268.70 --> 274.80] 2015 and those are nice because obviously it's 2014 still so it's looking forward and trying to |
[274.80 --> 280.02] project a little bit based on what we've experienced this year yeah and that's you know there's a lot |
[280.02 --> 286.72] lots of insights of course if it's well written that's usually the the uh the x factor so i'll give |
[286.72 --> 290.30] those things a chance for sure and then if they are well written and interesting i'll just keep going |
[290.30 --> 295.76] if not i'll kind of move on what do you think about uh the general population of developers out |
[295.76 --> 301.78] there do you think it's something that is um yeah you think it's a norm for people to read those do |
[301.78 --> 307.68] they attract a lot of attention because any list sort of says hey i'm a list and you can expect x y z out |
[307.68 --> 313.92] of me right you know yeah i mean i think most developers have a love hate relationship with lists |
[313.92 --> 320.56] it's like we love to hate them um but they're also easy to write easy to read um yeah like you said you |
[320.56 --> 327.90] have an expectation so you know what you're getting in for and uh i don't know it seems like most you |
[327.90 --> 332.92] know used to be the old saying on hacker news or dig or reddit that you know to have a popular post |
[332.92 --> 339.74] all you need is like x you know top y right in z in z there was a formula right and that's true because |
[339.74 --> 344.64] yeah we kind of like reading those things even though well they're uh they're suggestive |
[344.64 --> 350.46] suggestive words so they sort of they're bait you know they bait you into wanting having to |
[350.46 --> 356.58] because we have to solve problems right we have to conclude the story we can't just like and the guy |
[356.58 --> 363.74] went here and he didn't or did not die we have to sort of close the ending there yeah i feel you |
[363.74 --> 371.78] that's that's kind of um we did that today i guess to a degree um at pure charity aside you know as you |
[371.78 --> 379.70] know and everybody else knows my day job is not the change log um by day i'm a a um a fighter of |
[379.70 --> 386.84] justice or sorry a fighter of injustice at pure charity um and we had retro today because today |
[386.84 --> 393.70] we did demo we shipped so you know we all it was an epic demo today you know and then uh with any |
[393.70 --> 400.08] epic demo we have an epic retro which is the last retro we'll have of this year it's the last uh |
[400.08 --> 403.38] sprint we're going to commit to for this year so you know obviously there's a couple more weeks in |
[403.38 --> 409.20] the year but we're done in terms of you know committing to sprints and stuff so it's kind of |
[409.20 --> 414.50] neat because we got to do a retrospective of the entire year uh and we had a bumpy year we had a |
[414.50 --> 419.10] bumpy year in the fact this is like way off topic of the change law by the way but just talk about |
[419.10 --> 427.00] retrospectives um you know it was neat to look back at the whole year in its entirety and look at what |
[427.00 --> 432.98] happened what changes you know what we did well we didn't do so great of and how we unified as a |
[432.98 --> 437.46] team and i think it was it was just pretty productive and pretty uh emotionally charging |
[437.46 --> 443.32] because you know we we saw how we had such a sort of a crappy year emotionally because our founder |
[443.32 --> 448.22] passed away in april and then we unified as a team and a development team and a product team and |
[448.22 --> 454.34] all that stuff for the year and you know this end of this year you sort of come out with some joy |
[454.34 --> 460.96] because we know we achieved some really great high achieving goals and i think in general it's |
[460.96 --> 464.40] just good to be retrospective about that stuff that's what we're doing here in a sense with |
[464.40 --> 470.68] this show it's uh as we said before it's unusual for us to to take this format where we don't have |
[470.68 --> 475.22] a guest it's just you and i and we're sort of just looking back at this year of the change log and |
[475.22 --> 479.76] in no particular order we got some thanks we want to talk about we got some kind of high level topics |
[479.76 --> 484.04] that we've seen happen in the open source world it's not conclusive by any means it's |
[484.04 --> 489.58] just sort of like from the cuff to a to a degree and that's sort of what we're doing with this show |
[489.58 --> 499.64] here so um it's the top five stories of the year yes no no no no um i guess maybe we could take some |
[499.64 --> 507.58] turns here i i think i got a little rundown of a list here but um so when we relaunched the change log |
[507.58 --> 516.50] in 2013 um we established a membership and that's grown um and so i think first i want to thank uh |
[516.50 --> 523.92] the members who who pay yearly to support the change log um you know we we do have some advertisers |
[523.92 --> 528.88] what we call sponsors that support the the show and those are really great relationships not just |
[528.88 --> 533.56] people who give us money so we'll dig into that in a bit but uh i wanted to say thanks to the members |
[533.56 --> 540.68] that that list and uh whatnot has grown and your support is is greatly appreciated because you help |
[540.68 --> 547.42] keep me and jared uh excited about doing the change log and covering the breadth and width of open |
[547.42 --> 554.86] sources best we possibly can um i know we went out to um ruby uh keep ruby weird this year together |
[554.86 --> 560.42] to that conference and that was you know members help make that possible by going out and being at a |
[560.42 --> 565.84] conference and doing some cool stuff and meeting people and stuff and just kind of neat too the |
[565.84 --> 569.98] sidetrack to that was that that was the first time you and i actually met so that was like what |
[569.98 --> 577.10] september october you mean irl yeah in real life oh we've we've had like video chat yeah video chat |
[577.10 --> 581.88] and stuff but not like in real life you know shake hands right kind of thing yeah yeah brothers don't |
[581.88 --> 588.76] shake hands brother's got a hug yeah brothers hug we hugged yeah so which kind of uh speaks to the |
[588.76 --> 592.34] fact that you know i'm i'm kind of the new kid on the block in the sense of i've been involved for |
[592.34 --> 600.14] just a couple years now but um you talk about the the members and the listeners over time and the |
[600.14 --> 605.52] amount of support that we receive uh on a daily basis nowadays i'm sure it wasn't always like that |
[605.52 --> 612.02] maybe give a give a quick rundown of uh kind of where the show came from and maybe not like |
[612.02 --> 618.78] a huge history or anything but um talking about retrospectives like yeah go your your arc has gone |
[618.78 --> 626.60] you know a long ways right yeah well uh way back in the day uh you know it's not that many years ago |
[626.60 --> 635.50] but it feels like so many years ago 2009 um myself and win netherland whom yeah most know from the |
[635.50 --> 641.22] show of course and his great work at github on the api and just his contributions to open source and |
[641.22 --> 648.24] writing books and just giving talks at conferences he's a great guy um he and i were kicking around |
[648.24 --> 654.38] some ideas together um i said it would be really neat to have a podcast called changelog i really like |
[654.38 --> 660.26] the name changelog um for a podcast i said it would be really neat to like sort of look at open source |
[660.26 --> 664.36] and look at the different versions and talk about what changed and what was interesting about that we |
[664.36 --> 669.58] sort of uh morphed and evolved that idea and we really didn't have a clue that it would be what |
[669.58 --> 674.84] it is today i guess maybe he did maybe i did and i don't know but it seemed like it was sort of a |
[674.84 --> 680.06] happy accident to a degree and you know we did a couple shows and sort of figured out our format we got |
[680.06 --> 686.12] um rob pike on the show early from from the go team the one of the founders of and creators of |
[686.12 --> 692.18] the go language which is turn five this year right um so i mean that's that sort of shows you how long |
[692.18 --> 697.08] we've been in this business it's it's it's been kind of crazy and we've just you know tried to do |
[697.08 --> 702.58] our best to shine a spotlight on what's fresh and new and open source it's been a tagline of ours since |
[702.58 --> 708.08] the beginning and we just try to do our best however we can with whomever is on the team at the |
[708.08 --> 713.02] time and that team has changed over the years to serve the open source community and that's just |
[713.02 --> 719.66] sort of been our mission and you've been on on board for a couple years now i it time flies man i can't |
[719.66 --> 725.00] remember when you joined or how long it's been but you know it's been great having you on this team |
[725.00 --> 731.54] and and now uh co-hosting the show now that andrew's uh stepped into the role at stripe and he's got less |
[731.54 --> 737.16] time to do it so um having a co-host is sort of paramount to this show i think it requires to a |
[737.16 --> 744.92] degree um a good co-host and so it's just been great having you of course and that's that's sort of |
[744.92 --> 750.54] where the change law came from thanks man happy to be here for sure it seems like uh one thing that |
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