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[1359.50 --> 1366.34] the the common comments that we get is that you know our content is too specifically focused around |
[1366.34 --> 1372.30] either ruby or javascript or the web and i think that's a completely valid criticism and something that |
[1372.30 --> 1378.74] we're we're striving uh to make better but one of the ways to help us make that better |
[1378.74 --> 1384.78] is by sending us content into the ping repo yeah absolutely because we look at all those things |
[1384.78 --> 1390.96] and uh we may ask for more information or may not feel like we're necessarily you know experts in a |
[1390.96 --> 1397.08] specific domain um but we've had a lot of good interactions there on ping this year and so just |
[1397.08 --> 1402.32] want to say thanks to everybody who reached out and shared their stuff with us i know specifically |
[1402.32 --> 1409.00] um we've had show topics coming through there not even people that want to be on themselves we get |
[1409.00 --> 1415.12] those but someone that says hey this would be cool specifically our show on pearl happened just |
[1415.12 --> 1421.52] completely because uh somebody came in on ping and said let's talk about pearl and then mentioned uh two |
[1421.52 --> 1426.92] different people that would be great guests you know we contacted uh one of those and put up a show |
[1426.92 --> 1431.54] and i think in the last few months i think that's one of been one of our best shows yeah and even |
[1431.54 --> 1436.00] ovid who was the guest on the show of of that recommendation he's become a friend of the show |
[1436.00 --> 1441.84] i would i wouldn't even mind you know uh dropping some more hints i wouldn't mind helping him start a |
[1441.84 --> 1448.40] podcast of some sort because i was intrigued by and impressed by his relationship with pearl over the |
[1448.40 --> 1452.84] years and just sort of his history with it and there's an audience there there's there's people who |
[1452.84 --> 1459.24] really you know love pearl and it kind of enlightened me to to this new aspect of the that language yeah |
[1459.24 --> 1465.12] i think what it did was it opened us to a whole new community inside open source that we never |
[1465.12 --> 1469.80] really touched and we had a little bit of help with gabor here for a little while posting some pearl |
[1469.80 --> 1478.22] stuff but myself personally um had had never actually seen how much was out there and yeah |
[1478.22 --> 1484.42] ovid super interesting guy i'd love to talk him into starting the show maybe not even a maybe pearl |
[1484.42 --> 1490.68] and poetry yeah listeners may not know offline after the call ended you know he went and talked about |
[1490.68 --> 1494.64] poetry and writing with us and he loves it i could just sit there and listen to him talk about this |
[1494.64 --> 1499.56] stuff for hours yeah he's got he's likable for sure definitely likable he couldn't go into politics |
[1499.56 --> 1508.64] i wouldn't doubt that right um so that's that's uh yeah ping i think we started ping this year it was |
[1508.64 --> 1514.56] funny because originally we had ping at the changelaw.com was an email so if you're sending email to that |
[1514.56 --> 1520.16] don't do that go to the ping repo instead um and if you know anybody who thought about doing it or |
[1520.16 --> 1524.62] might do it tell them don't do that go to the ping repo instead because we're trying to put a lot of |
[1524.62 --> 1531.18] sort of uh sort of i guess inspired by getup which is now not called getup anymore chad whitaker |
[1531.18 --> 1536.44] of being open just sort of inspired by that of not so much being an open company but we thought that |
[1536.44 --> 1541.42] it would be best to have those kinds of conversations in the open versus closed email |
[1541.42 --> 1548.88] where um we can at like for example the one of the more recent uh shows we might have in the future |
[1548.88 --> 1554.48] on angular i can't recall the issue of the names but we might have a show in the future with |
[1554.48 --> 1560.50] a previous person who was in the angular community and they've recently departed and we were able to |
[1560.50 --> 1564.56] add that person and bring them into the conversation so you can't really do that with email it's kind |
[1564.56 --> 1570.66] of weird whereas github issues sort of are the open playing ground and it's not just me or jared |
[1570.66 --> 1576.02] or anyone else who's a part of the team here the changelaw it can be anyone to step in and help us |
[1576.02 --> 1581.66] fine-tune the conversation that might come from it so that's i love that repo and what it's done for us so |
[1581.66 --> 1587.10] yeah i encourage anybody who's who wants to help us cover open source better use that repo and those |
[1587.10 --> 1592.28] issues to to help us do that yeah just to give an example of that so this the one you referred to |
[1592.28 --> 1597.86] this is uh kevin mcgee who's just a listener of the show opened up a new issue that says guest idea |
[1597.86 --> 1602.92] rob eisenberg keeper of durandal i never had to say that durandal js i don't know what to ask him that |
[1602.92 --> 1607.82] an open source javascript project and his comment just says seriously who leaves google's angular |
[1607.82 --> 1612.70] project especially now with version 2 being breathlessly debated maybe get this guy on the |
[1612.70 --> 1620.14] line and he links to a specific blog post by uh this fella who is leaving angular and has uh |
[1620.14 --> 1625.98] apparently had a previous project called durant i don't know what it's called man durandal |
[1625.98 --> 1635.96] i don't know durandal durandal let's go with durandal and uh he went he went from that to angular |
[1635.96 --> 1642.48] angular 2.0 stuff went back to durandal um interesting story interesting thing that's |
[1642.48 --> 1649.60] happening in open source and um like you said we looped that guy in um i keep calling him that guy |
[1649.60 --> 1655.14] let's get a sexual name so his name's rob yeah rob eisenberg eisenberg effect and we were able to |
[1655.14 --> 1660.42] just uh at message him you know he came in talked back and forth and hopefully we'll be able to line |
[1660.42 --> 1668.60] up something yeah in fact um kevin went on to give a list of how he would like the show to go like |
[1668.60 --> 1673.86] yeah which was pretty cool he framed the show for us yeah because that show needs framing because we |
[1673.86 --> 1678.46] don't want to turn it into just some sort of drama you know thing it needs to be very and we don't want |
[1678.46 --> 1684.96] to turn it into a wine fest as he says um so really cool and uh hopefully we can put that together for |
[1684.96 --> 1691.34] i'll go on record here while this is maybe part of the topic is that the changelog has never been |
[1691.34 --> 1699.70] um about serving the trolls okay that's not what we are it's not the kind of show we are uh we will |
[1699.70 --> 1707.00] never uh be about serving the trolls so just just that's out there if we had rob on the show it |
[1707.00 --> 1711.88] wouldn't be about having him on to bash angler it would be about getting to the root of some of the |
[1711.88 --> 1716.78] problems and i think that's that's good that might even lead us into um the conversation we |
[1716.78 --> 1723.36] recently had with yehuda and tom dale about ember because they their path and their roadmap to ember |
[1723.36 --> 1730.44] 2.0 uh i think is a beacon of light of looking at what is good happening in other communities of open |
[1730.44 --> 1736.58] source and other software communities and implementing in theirs and so when you identify a problem it's |
[1736.58 --> 1741.16] easier to solve that problem and the only reason we would have uh rob on the show rob eisenberg |
[1741.16 --> 1747.28] to talk about his concerns with angular and why he departed or whatever wouldn't be about to spread |
[1747.28 --> 1751.70] drama would be about to to figure out you know what's the problem here you know what's the problem |
[1751.70 --> 1757.00] here what what did he see as an issue and how can that community possibly rebound and and solve those |
[1757.00 --> 1761.56] problems yeah for sure and just inform the community because some people are thinking like |
[1761.56 --> 1766.64] should i use angular should i use this should i use that and then it's like should i use ember uh versus |
[1766.64 --> 1771.68] angular and that helps you make a more informed decision as a developer and possibly even save your job |
[1771.68 --> 1779.24] absolutely man uh let's see what else we got on what else we got on the list here who else |
[1779.24 --> 1783.04] want to thank we would be remiss to not mention a few other people that helped us out this year |
[1783.04 --> 1789.14] especially our new editor yes aaron aaron who's listening to this now by the way as he's editing this |
[1789.14 --> 1798.42] so aaron thank you uh aaron it's funny uh the story behind aaron so i used to host a show with uh |
[1798.42 --> 1805.78] for those who are into design or on the design side of uh of web development or development in general |
[1805.78 --> 1813.06] probably know a name drew wilson drew wilson is famous for creating pictos uh and about a zillion |
[1813.06 --> 1821.98] other projects i can't even name off because he's crazy like that um and jared uh um arandu was the |
[1821.98 --> 1829.06] the person who started this blog called the industry um and then we did a podcast called the industry |
[1829.06 --> 1835.00] radio show and when we did that we got an email from a guy named aaron and so i went back to that |
[1835.00 --> 1839.40] same person was like hey aaron i run a different show now called the changelog we could really use some |
[1839.40 --> 1844.00] help because if you all noticed those who listened to the show religiously over the years |
[1844.00 --> 1852.98] um the times we've ebbed and flowed has been whenever me uh jared or any other co-host or any other |
[1852.98 --> 1858.84] person that was working with me like andrew we were just too busy in our lives to to do the changelog |
[1858.84 --> 1864.94] every week and edit it and it's a lot of work it's a lot of time commitment and unless we have sponsors |
[1864.94 --> 1869.58] and stuff like that it's just really hard to always say yes to it even though we love it so much |
[1869.58 --> 1876.46] um so having aaron on on on the team helps us make sure that i'm not the bottleneck on editing so |
[1876.46 --> 1883.32] for the duration of all the changelog i've edited every single show and so i've been on the show i've |
[1883.32 --> 1889.44] edited the show or i've you know helped edit the show um or helped create the show to a degree |
[1889.44 --> 1896.14] because there's lots of shows where just when was the host um but yeah it's a time suck but aaron |
[1896.14 --> 1903.00] is great at it so the last five shows if you've not heard a difference it's because he's that awesome |
[1903.00 --> 1907.78] there you go and so thank you aaron for your support and making the show awesome and making |
[1907.78 --> 1911.94] it sound awesome and we look forward to you know a deeper relationship with aaron in the future with |
[1911.94 --> 1918.36] whatever else we come up with here because we're crazy and then uh i guess maybe the other person to |
[1918.36 --> 1924.58] to thank would be five by five and dan benjamin for their support where uh i think what was it |
[1924.58 --> 1932.04] was it this year or was it 2013 it was 2013 trying to get my my my years correct here because 2013 was |
[1932.04 --> 1939.60] a crazy year uh 2013 about midway through we decided to um move from just being just the changelog on |
[1939.60 --> 1946.28] the changelog.com to syndicate through five by five so we joined the five by five team we moved all of |
[1946.28 --> 1951.88] our shows over there we stopped numbering with versions uh some old school drama there we decided |
[1951.88 --> 1959.10] to actually just call them you know episode 85 versus 0.8.5 and uh that means you that you never |
[1959.10 --> 1966.62] hit 1.0 yeah we never hit 1.0 oh that's a shame some projects never hit 1.0 yeah it's just paperware |
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