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[750.54 --> 756.26] we have which i've never experienced the other side of this is we have a great group of supporters |
[756.26 --> 763.26] that you said members yeah listeners people that ping us um did it did it take off immediately or |
[763.26 --> 769.50] was it a slow was it a slow burn as far as getting to the place that we are now of of people |
[769.50 --> 776.54] who like the show and like the website i would say what um some history that may not be known by |
[776.54 --> 783.26] everybody is that we were originally as a site as an entity on the web we were on tumblr for the |
[783.26 --> 787.74] longest time and it was a love-hate relationship for anybody who's ever done anything significant |
[787.74 --> 792.92] on tumblr after a while we definitely outgrew it and win and i booth uh both knew that we |
[792.92 --> 799.18] had outgrown it we had conjured up several different iterations of it uh and obviously stuff |
[799.18 --> 804.96] we've never shipped and uh when win parted ways with the change log um after he was a get up for |
[804.96 --> 810.10] a bit he just wanted to focus on his work there and family and stuff so after he parted ways i figured |
[810.10 --> 817.10] you know it's time for either to to kill the change log and move on or rebirth it with uh with |
[817.10 --> 823.66] i wouldn't say much a better plan but just maybe some structure and so we i got to tear down |
[823.66 --> 830.68] and rebuild to a degree but you know the tear down wasn't like throw away it was sort of tear down |
[830.68 --> 836.92] what the idea was and what it what it could be and rebuild it from there and so rebuilt the site on |
[836.92 --> 844.54] wordpress multi-author platform and uh the membership was crucial at the first at first and you asked if |
[844.54 --> 850.72] it took off quickly at first uh membership the membership stood off really fast and then it sort of |
[850.72 --> 855.88] tailed off and then it was sort of non-existent for a while getting new you know new members the |
[855.88 --> 862.12] members were there and then we were still trying to figure out how we can best make the membership |
[862.12 --> 868.76] really work to one be a financial um gain for us so we can keep doing this thing because it does cost |
[868.76 --> 873.98] money you know going to conferences and buying this awesome podcast equipment we have and serving the |
[873.98 --> 880.78] files all these things cost money or you know everything um that was that was a that's been a |
[880.78 --> 887.06] battle it's been tough to to give value back when we give every way everything away for free already |
[887.06 --> 892.70] you know so members in a sense was sort of a donation uh and then it it dawned on me that we |
[892.70 --> 899.30] can actually leverage our sponsors and turn them into partners and have them give an exclusive offer to |
[899.30 --> 905.66] paying members so like digital ocean gave 20 bucks for new accounts and you know you get on a list |
[905.66 --> 910.66] rackspace digital ocean i can get on a list i don't have it right in front of me right now top towels is a |
[910.66 --> 918.30] uh a partner as well and that's sort of been the catalyst to make i think our benefits to the membership |
[918.30 --> 928.00] be really awesome code chip max cdn honey badger run scope travesty i um code base deploy version i |
[928.00 --> 933.38] those are all partners with the changelog we've got some kind of unusual partners too i guess not |
[933.38 --> 939.38] really unusual they're just not corporate sponsors like ruby tapas everybody watches that or at least |
[939.38 --> 945.72] any rubius possibly uh and we're ruby heavy around here ruby off rails so not ruby on rails good friend |
[945.72 --> 950.48] here in houston runs that uh motion in motion for those who are doing ruby motion so you want to learn |
[950.48 --> 957.32] that those are partners of ours elixir sips learning the unix command line scaling php and |
[957.32 --> 961.88] and that's that's what we've done so far to sort of give back in a way to those members who've given |
[961.88 --> 970.54] us financial abilities to move forward so yeah not to mention 20 off a changelog tee yeah that's true |
[970.54 --> 974.14] i mean who doesn't want a changelog t-shirt right throw that in there yeah i was actually thinking |
[974.14 --> 979.06] about making that 50 i feel like 50 would be a better deal oh you know make no money at all on it i |
[979.06 --> 985.44] mean why make 30 just make zero you get more people wearing changelog tees that way that's right so |
[985.44 --> 990.56] that's what i was thinking so we'll probably do that now that we've said that so expect if you're a |
[990.56 --> 994.72] member expect if you haven't ordered yet expect it to be 50 off instead of 20 because i think that's |
[994.72 --> 1001.04] better uh and full access to our archives too so our front page changed a little bit our front page |
[1001.04 --> 1005.82] used to have pagination and you used to be able to page through as far back as you ever wanted to go |
[1005.82 --> 1011.80] and uh and now we restrict that you know i never wanted to change all to be to have any sort of |
[1011.80 --> 1016.74] paywalls but i figured that you know our front page didn't have to have pagination anymore and |
[1016.74 --> 1021.52] figured if you were a member you can have pagination and if you're not then you get prompted to |
[1021.52 --> 1028.08] become a member and support us and i like the the the thing right right near the button not to not |
[1028.08 --> 1032.88] linger on this membership stuff too much but i thought it was funny that right near the button |
[1032.88 --> 1037.16] where it says yes i want to support the changelog and that's becoming a member right beneath that |
[1037.16 --> 1042.12] is a link that says no i don't want to support open source which i think that's what our mission |
[1042.12 --> 1047.72] is right to support open source and it links to this uh this cat that has the perfect sad face |
[1047.72 --> 1052.60] oh i'm seeing that right now that's i don't know if anybody's ever seen that but i like it i think |
[1052.60 --> 1057.60] it's kind of funny it's like that's a sad cat that's a sad cat yeah don't make the cat sad as that's |
[1057.60 --> 1063.34] what we say around here there you go so you mentioned a love-hate relationship with tumblr and we traded that |
[1063.34 --> 1068.50] in now we have a love-hate relationship with wordpress i think anything you eventually outgrow |
[1068.50 --> 1076.16] you know yeah or you know there's better ways you know wordpress is good i love wordpress it's got a |
[1076.16 --> 1083.08] lot of great support it's open source it's helped open source become more visible to so many people |
[1083.08 --> 1090.34] but i think um it's also provided a marketplace for people who can do open source and you know sell |
[1090.34 --> 1094.10] some of their wares as well yeah and make a living there's people that make a living doing either |
[1094.10 --> 1101.24] themes or plugin development that's true yeah i i think it's you know i i will never see anything bad |
[1101.24 --> 1108.26] about wordpress it's great i love it um but as for building the changelog on top of it i think we |
[1108.26 --> 1114.16] sort of keep hitting our limits with platforms and we have bigger and better i wouldn't say bigger |
[1114.16 --> 1120.56] and better i would just say grander ideas that may fit better on different languages or different |
[1120.56 --> 1125.46] language platforms and right you know that kind of thing so and we've thrown around the possibility |
[1125.46 --> 1132.20] of building our own uh member you know platform for the cms and the membership site yeah quite a bit |
[1132.20 --> 1137.66] and uh you know i think to make it better that's what's required we could do it on wordpress but |
[1137.66 --> 1143.04] you're not a wordpress developer i'm not a wordpress developer we sort of use we could build it on |
[1143.04 --> 1147.80] wordpress but we might be able to build it even better on something else the problem is whatever |
[1147.80 --> 1151.68] we build like right now it's love hate with wordpress but whatever we build it's gonna be |
[1151.68 --> 1156.30] a love hate with that thing yeah and then we won't have some other guy to blame you know we can always |
[1156.30 --> 1162.80] blame matt mullenweg yeah that's right his team but when it's our own code and then there's just no one |
[1162.80 --> 1168.04] to point the finger at man yeah then it's our own bugs and all right all uh all bugs have software |
[1168.04 --> 1175.70] that's right um so sponsors i think thanks also to the sponsors i mean not only the members and |
[1175.70 --> 1180.68] listeners when we say members we mean those who are paying members but you know outside of that realm |
[1180.68 --> 1188.60] of members we've got um umpteen thousand people who listen to the show globally it always blows my mind |
[1188.60 --> 1194.44] to um to hear from somebody from like russia or somewhere in europe or somewhere in asia |
[1194.44 --> 1203.30] or india or just south africa uh chile brazil i mean worldwide it's it you know the internet is |
[1203.30 --> 1210.24] big obviously but it's still just mind-blowing that it's um you we get the honor and privilege to |
[1210.24 --> 1216.54] be a part of something that touches so many lives that i never even knew of and it reminds you of how |
[1216.54 --> 1221.96] small the world can be and that's sort of sort of wild so definitely thanks to everyone who |
[1221.96 --> 1228.20] who supports us and and that that's sponsors too so one way we we do things around here is |
[1228.20 --> 1235.54] by having awesome sponsors like digital ocean rack space top towel code ship um it's not an exhaustive |
[1235.54 --> 1243.08] list uh run scope um just thinking off the top of my head who else has recently sponsored the show |
[1243.08 --> 1252.80] uh blanking but yeah lots of great people support us if i didn't name your name it's not for any sort |
[1252.80 --> 1258.04] of reason it's just that they help us in so many ways we got some cool stuff that's happening in the |
[1258.04 --> 1263.78] future the change law that we're talking about that we've got support coming from those sponsors |
[1263.78 --> 1270.04] that make it possible expensive equipment like video gear and stuff like that has been able to get |
[1270.04 --> 1276.64] uh acquired so some hints on what's coming in the future um has has been able to got been gotten |
[1276.64 --> 1282.36] because we have their support and so that's that's really awesome yeah just looping back around to |
[1282.36 --> 1290.24] your uh the world being small now and and all the support we get around the world excuse me uh one |
[1290.24 --> 1295.90] thing that we did this year which has worked out really well is we started a specific repository on |
[1295.90 --> 1302.76] github called ping so github.com slash the change log slash ping i believe is the url that's right |
[1302.76 --> 1310.74] and that is a centralized place for um listeners readers what have you friends of the show can come |
[1310.74 --> 1317.68] and let us know about stuff so whether it's your own stuff um whether it's an idea for the show um |
[1317.68 --> 1321.84] a project that you just started or something you need help on looking for a new maintainer |
[1321.84 --> 1330.64] whatever it is um you can open up a new issue on ping and um we will look at that and we will |
[1330.64 --> 1337.24] possibly promote it whether it be on the blog or uh in weekly or uh on twitter or all three |
[1337.24 --> 1342.86] possibly even end up on the podcast yeah um and people have really been using that in fact we got |
[1342.86 --> 1348.34] kind of backlogged there for a few months uh to the point where uh we needed to start working |
[1348.34 --> 1352.86] working down the backlog but uh some really cool stuff has come from there obviously you know |
[1352.86 --> 1359.50] we're out there keeping our thumb on the pulse but there's so much open source and um you know one of |
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