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[3656.26 --> 3660.16] you know to bring investors into it but then you're getting you know then it's then it's business |
[3660.16 --> 3664.46] i don't know then you're talking about marketing again right it's like how do you bring marketing |
[3664.46 --> 3667.66] into this how do you how do you i mean that's where we're at with shield it's like so now we need |
[3667.66 --> 3672.30] the marketer to come in and say here's the website we're going to build you know and and and drive |
[3672.30 --> 3678.32] that end of it the business side of it um which just i don't know yes we've so i feel like all of |
[3678.32 --> 3685.04] these roles that we're used to uh you know all these roles that we already have have uh have some |
[3685.04 --> 3691.44] future in this uh you know thing that we're discovering together right um and i don't know exactly |
[3691.44 --> 3697.64] what those look like yet but we're having a lot of fun finding out as we go |
[3697.64 --> 3706.50] you seem to be every new hurdle you get past or every new um i guess roadblock blocker uh you |
[3706.50 --> 3712.08] find a new one you know from the like you know all these it just seemed like each new challenge gets |
[3712.08 --> 3718.64] uh you know has another challenge right behind it and i don't want to be discouraging what to say |
[3718.64 --> 3724.32] this but i i sometimes wonder in myself how much more steam you particularly have left in your engine |
[3724.32 --> 3731.68] because you're 80 of the fuel behind getup you know yeah i have a lot of steam man i have tons of |
[3731.68 --> 3736.98] steam what i need is a little more money you know if i had you know if we can figure out how to get an |
[3736.98 --> 3742.74] angel investor in here and you know give us a little breathing room yeah i don't know maybe like one of |
[3742.74 --> 3748.26] our guys working on the team moved to nicaragua so he he quit his job and moved to nicaragua so he |
[3748.26 --> 3753.00] could lower his burn rate and you know work on get it full time that's commitment right there that's |
[3753.00 --> 3757.96] for sure yeah right that's humbling that's like so it isn't just chatted yeah like that's the exciting |
[3757.96 --> 3762.88] thing it's like we do have people i'm not the only one working on full time in fact we're supposed to |
[3762.88 --> 3768.00] have a stand-up in a couple minutes here right with with the team so it's not um the good news is |
[3768.00 --> 3774.30] it's not just chad um we do have a team i have people handling support you know frontline support |
[3774.30 --> 3777.90] and then they escalate to me if we need to so so the pieces are coming together it's just |
[3777.90 --> 3782.74] you know it's it's chicken and egg and we're boiling the ocean and that just takes a little |
[3782.74 --> 3788.32] longer than usual you know let me ask you a quick yeah let me ask you this sure give me a moment to |
[3788.32 --> 3792.76] set this up because it might be kind of just a long setup but uh are you familiar with patreon |
[3792.76 --> 3798.22] which seems to be oh my gosh i was just about to bring patreon into this and i was like i don't need |
[3798.22 --> 3802.68] to do that but uh okay yeah let's go there let's go there okay i'm gonna go there briefly um just |
[3802.68 --> 3805.92] because you know you're talking about the patronage model and i just remember there was another |
[3805.92 --> 3810.82] website doing patronage and i've been on their website kind of comparing contrasting patreon and |
[3810.82 --> 3816.76] get it yeah and they seem to have more steam they have uh you know a few bigger names in the arts |
[3816.76 --> 3822.14] especially in podcasting and kind of online media people making eleven thousand dollars a month |
[3822.14 --> 3826.82] via the patronage model right um and i'm trying to think to myself what's the difference between |
[3826.82 --> 3830.32] where you're at and i don't know their whole backstory maybe they're older i'm guessing they're not |
[3830.32 --> 3834.80] they're not they're younger funding they're they have funding so they're they're not setting the |
[3834.80 --> 3839.88] plows deep they're not funded on their own platform they skim off the top right so they're not setting |
[3839.88 --> 3845.74] the plows deep so they're you know it's not making it easier on themselves um well yeah another way to |
[3845.74 --> 3850.78] say that it would be another way to say it you know so you know their background is um you know jack |
[3850.78 --> 3860.16] conti we did a call jack and i and uh and uh and len kendall from sent up and lena's from uh from |
[3860.16 --> 3865.28] flatter we did a call the four of us uh it was like two weeks after patreon launched or something |
[3865.28 --> 3869.84] right so it was it maybe it hadn't even launched yet it was like really early in their cycle |
[3869.84 --> 3877.34] in their life cycle and uh i don't know right and then and ever since and i've been watching uh |
[3877.34 --> 3881.42] google trends you know i'll go to google trends and look at get up in patreon it's like all right |
[3881.42 --> 3887.98] so that's what a hockey stick looks like god damn it right and so i get so burned man it's like why |
[3887.98 --> 3893.76] why is that not us and and i get really discouraged when i look at it from that point of view right |
[3893.76 --> 3896.28] this is i think i mentioned this at the beginning of the call and this is what i had in mind right |
[3896.28 --> 3900.22] like i get really discouraged when i look at the google trend search for patreon and get it because |
[3900.22 --> 3904.00] patreon is hockey stick right and people are coming to me and being like hey do you know about |
[3904.00 --> 3906.90] patreon like my non-tech friends are like you know about patreon it's like yes i know |
[3906.90 --> 3911.18] yes i know right well i didn't yeah i didn't i didn't bring it up in order to do that to you |
[3911.18 --> 3915.40] well so look sorry but let me ask you yeah the other thing i noticed on their home page is like |
[3915.40 --> 3919.06] featured in tech crunch and i started thinking about your situation with yeah and then i asked |
[3919.06 --> 3923.88] that game man they're playing that myself they got two million dollars of capital right they took |
[3923.88 --> 3928.00] investment like the the they have two founders the one guy is jack who's the front man that everybody |
[3928.00 --> 3933.18] sees because he's the youtube star right so he's already plugged into this scene like youtube stars have |
[3933.18 --> 3938.78] fans open source programmers don't have fans you know so it's like he's already plugged into a scene |
[3938.78 --> 3943.64] and tapped into a market and like speaking the language of a culture of you know this crew that |
[3943.64 --> 3949.78] has fans and has reach beyond what i do right so that's what jack's bringing the table and his friend |
[3949.78 --> 3954.76] sam i think it is i don't remember but you know his co-founder is the technical co-founder who's a |
[3954.76 --> 3960.30] serial co-founder who's you know already had you know two previous companies that he's done they're in |
[3960.30 --> 3963.78] silicon valley they're in san francisco you know they're playing the game straight down the middle |
[3963.78 --> 3968.64] you know what i mean it's like you know and they're yes and so featured in tech crunch and wired and |
[3968.64 --> 3974.42] blah you know etc etc etc right like and this is what it looks like so i don't know so i kick myself |
[3974.42 --> 3979.40] because i'm like do i really i hit this a week or two ago i was like do i really believe in get up again |
[3979.40 --> 3985.40] you know like it's coming back is more is more uh i'm now hypothesizing that perhaps you know you would |
[3985.40 --> 3988.78] have been in tech crunch maybe you would have had an investment if it wasn't for the open strategy |
[3988.78 --> 3994.86] and so my question framing all this is yep is get up success more important or is your open |
[3994.86 --> 4001.58] uh the radical transparency more important to you chad good question i mean just oh boy it's really |
[4001.58 --> 4005.68] hard that that's what's holding it back it might not be what's holding it back but so so to me they're |
[4005.68 --> 4013.18] the same right like get up is it is open company you know like get it get it for me is um is this |
[4013.18 --> 4020.22] idea that i can wake up in the morning and i can give i can give um i can live out of a place of |
[4020.22 --> 4027.22] gratitude and generosity and i can give freely of my labor and my resources without asking anything |
[4027.22 --> 4033.14] in return right and that is not what patreon is building and so we're not even competitors when you |
[4033.14 --> 4037.98] look at it that way like so in my view it's like we're not even competitors you know like if if |
[4037.98 --> 4041.80] patreon wants to compete with me then they need to be funded on their own platform and it needs to |
[4041.80 --> 4047.42] be no strings attached gifts you know and then i'll just go you know work on their platform like |
[4047.42 --> 4052.30] i can't work on their platform they could come work on mine because i'm totally open i couldn't go work |
[4052.30 --> 4057.12] on their platform like i that's that's it's apples and oranges when i really get down to it you know |
[4057.12 --> 4062.82] so yeah i i don't separate there is the open company thing from from get it yeah that's where we're |
[4062.82 --> 4068.60] going i don't know yeah who knows maybe a year from now i'll just be well so this is what we need to |
[4068.60 --> 4073.32] get uh so what would what would i have done instead of we'll do these quickly what would i have done |
[4073.32 --> 4080.48] instead of gidip what would i be doing if i wasn't doing gidip yeah oh man i was so ready to just |
[4080.48 --> 4088.96] give up on the internet and go move in with the amish um yesterday but we worked through that i would i |
[4088.96 --> 4094.82] would be amish if i could that's what i would do short answer there my hero is still guido van rossam |
[4094.82 --> 4102.62] the creator of pycon python and pycon i guess by extension um i i got to actually with kenneth um |
[4102.62 --> 4107.64] i texted kenneth uh i hadn't seen him you know hadn't really sat down with him for for a couple |
[4107.64 --> 4111.98] conferences and i said kenneth let's get together for supper he said okay cool let me see if that |
[4111.98 --> 4118.98] works out with the other folks i'm with and it ended up being me and kenneth and uh and and mike and |
[4118.98 --> 4125.30] maddie from ottawa and guido the five of us went out to dinner together right and so nice i ended up |
[4125.30 --> 4129.30] like getting to have dinner with guido and it was like hi i'm chad i'm guido and so i got to actually |
[4129.30 --> 4135.00] meet him after a decade of doing python stuff which is pretty special so he's and he's still my hero i |
[4135.00 --> 4141.26] like that guy he's doing great call to action ha go fund somebody on patreon |
[4141.26 --> 4152.80] go go yeah you know go work for the go work for the the man the crowd man i don't know yeah yeah you |
[4152.80 --> 4157.84] know go go give your labor away but only in response you know only only because other people |
[4157.84 --> 4163.62] give you money for it don't give your stuff away for free that's not the future hold on don't share |
[4163.62 --> 4168.72] oh am i being bitter are we ending on a bitter yeah i was gonna say don't end like that be given |
[4168.72 --> 4172.72] honest call to arms i mean okay think about it like this you got a lot of listeners that are thinking |
[4172.72 --> 4179.04] i want to support get up i don't know how to do it how can i do it so this is where i'll bring in |
[4179.04 --> 4186.94] building get up we have a new site um called building.getup.com and that site is is new this year |
[4186.94 --> 4192.82] and it's our documentation site for our team for people working on get up right so you go there |
[4192.82 --> 4196.34] and it starts with a big picture it says here's what our mission is here's where we're going |
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