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[3068.64 --> 3076.72] and the the genius thing we found to do and it was nathan youngman i think his name is uh nathan uh |
[3076.72 --> 3086.92] he's he's up in canada and his uh he's he's a go hacker and whatnot and somehow we had the org |
[3086.92 --> 3092.76] badges the github org named badges one of the you know somebody had somebody had grabbed this |
[3092.76 --> 3099.80] and nathan talked to this fella and agreed this fella agreed to let us use this badges organization |
[3099.80 --> 3104.78] and we just started gathering all of the different repos you know so i think we have like 10 or 12 in |
[3104.78 --> 3110.92] there now if you go to github org slash badges let's see what's on there now um you know one two |
[3110.92 --> 3118.28] three four six yeah so there's like over a dozen of these uh repos a lot of them duplicated effort |
[3118.28 --> 3125.80] you know but uh when we the pattern was we brought somebody in and we didn't take control of their |
[3125.80 --> 3130.32] project because of course the permissions don't change on any of those right like it's just now |
[3130.32 --> 3135.22] it's under the badges repo you know badges uh you know org instead of your personal github account |
[3135.22 --> 3138.74] but it's still yours and you're still in charge of it you're still running it however you want |
[3138.74 --> 3145.22] you know but it's shown to be part of this bigger effort and that really was a key step in bringing |
[3145.22 --> 3151.02] everyone to the table and then saying all right here's the range of possibilities you know who |
[3151.02 --> 3155.24] actually has the energy to do this and which way you know and what's you know now that we've seen what |
[3155.24 --> 3159.00] all the possibilities for implementing this are like what's going to be our way forward and it's been |
[3159.00 --> 3166.98] a success as far as that goes um you know there's a fella espadrine is his um is his github handle um |
[3166.98 --> 3171.24] and he's running with it so he's the day-to-day maintainer uh you know he wrote the current |
[3171.24 --> 3176.28] implementations and node implementation and he runs and maintains that project um you know but it |
[3176.28 --> 3181.50] had an input from uh the rest of the community and kind of i don't know it was interesting i had never |
[3181.50 --> 3186.32] had an experience before like that and and you know i want to hear i mean have you do you have other |
[3186.32 --> 3189.80] examples of when that kind of thing has happened because i thought it was pretty remarkable just the |
[3189.80 --> 3195.02] way that we brought together lots of different effort and it's kind of got it funneled in one direction |
[3195.02 --> 3202.16] like do you know of other uh other projects that have evolved like that nothing that come to mind |
[3202.16 --> 3208.24] for me you know i was just thinking yeah you know me neither you you guys are the open source uh you |
[3208.24 --> 3212.22] know you've got the the lay of the land in front of you uh i don't know i thought i thought it was |
[3212.22 --> 3215.52] really interesting we're keeping up just like everybody else i mean there's there's i was actually |
[3215.52 --> 3220.50] just talking to a listener yesterday daniel i was on and he's uh from ottawa canada and he |
[3220.50 --> 3225.66] told me about famous this javascript front-end framework that's making you know interfaces |
[3225.66 --> 3228.46] easier and i'm like dude i didn't even know about that and he's like i thought you would have known |
[3228.46 --> 3233.50] about it because you know i'm like we literally are just keeping up just like you no we just happen |
[3233.50 --> 3238.82] to be a part of making sure everyone's kept up for lack of better terms yeah blogging about it yeah |
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[3334.00 --> 3342.02] to get started and tell them the changelog sent you um right so the you know shield relates to get it |
[3342.02 --> 3347.66] in that the idea was let's fund this on get it you know this is going to take some amount of effort |
[3347.66 --> 3351.18] going forward so let's figure out a pay what you want model right so like everybody's got these get up |
[3351.18 --> 3358.12] you know these github read me badges they're all over the place every developer uses them you know |
[3358.12 --> 3363.18] what if everyone who used one of these chipped 10 cents a week in to the maintenance of the service |
[3363.18 --> 3370.16] that's behind it right as one uh user uh you know segment and then the other is the vendors such as |
[3370.16 --> 3376.92] travis and coveralls and etc etc the ones that are actually uh you know providing the the badges the |
[3376.92 --> 3381.34] services the badges relate to you know maybe they chip in 100 bucks a week or something you know |
[3381.34 --> 3384.58] what i mean so it's like you've got the the companies coming together and giving you've got |
[3384.58 --> 3390.44] the users coming together and giving a lot a little and uh and then you know we've got this funded so |
[3390.44 --> 3394.46] now asperdrine is freed up to work on this and make it even better and maybe we can bring some |
[3394.46 --> 3400.82] other people to the mix and make it happen even faster uh so that that we haven't gotten over the |
[3400.82 --> 3405.12] hump on yet i haven't i haven't really put a lot of effort into that just because i've been |
[3405.12 --> 3407.88] traveling and doing other stuff and that hasn't been a priority for me but it's kind of on the |
[3407.88 --> 3413.08] back of my mind you know so now that we've kind of settled the technology side of it like let's |
[3413.08 --> 3418.92] figure out the funding side of it um but that i don't know so that gets into a couple other things |
[3418.92 --> 3424.12] let me frame this by saying and we're we're at 11 53 how long are we going today we're i'm gonna |
[3424.12 --> 3427.92] think we're gonna skip the final questions besides the call to arms so we're gonna skip the normal |
[3427.92 --> 3432.76] questions we do which takes about 15 minutes so we let's let's say another 12 minutes is that cool for |
[3432.76 --> 3443.88] you jared okay yep okay um right so what i've been learning i think one of the themes is over the |
[3443.88 --> 3450.92] past two years i come out of the open source world i come you know come at this with an open source |
[3450.92 --> 3459.72] mindset and that's a very definite culture right building a company and building a product means |
[3459.72 --> 3470.06] integrating and working with people coming from much different cultures right so for example visual |
[3470.06 --> 3479.00] designers right um related to open source related to development but it's kind of its own thing you |
[3479.00 --> 3486.76] know so i've you know i've been on this uh effort this year to try and bring design into gidip right to |
[3486.76 --> 3491.64] try and uh breathe with both lungs is how we've been thinking about it you know like so we can |
[3491.64 --> 3496.74] we can really deliver a world-class product it's been challenging to interface with designers and to |
[3496.74 --> 3503.78] figure out how do designers fit in an open source culture that's been a challenge you know um same |
[3503.78 --> 3509.28] thing same thing with journalists you know how how does this open model uh relate to journalism |
[3509.28 --> 3517.42] we actually on the open company initiative uh uh we we did an experiment where we tried to bring in |
[3517.42 --> 3524.94] journalists so we had um a woman named bronwyn clune who's a uh columnist for the guardian and we're |
[3524.94 --> 3529.86] like all right let's try this experiment where you're writing content for us um but somehow you know |
[3529.86 --> 3535.84] it's it's funded through gidip and so you know it was this little experiment in open journalism or |
[3535.84 --> 3542.92] whatever right um didn't really go anywhere and and part of that was um you know i i saw it as kind |
[3542.92 --> 3548.88] of a culture clash right like the culture of journalism is not uh you know it's not the culture |
[3548.88 --> 3556.98] of open source necessarily that's two number three is um you know shanley and you know everything we're |
[3556.98 --> 3564.46] hearing about last night not necessarily a fit with the open source culture i come from um you know |
[3564.46 --> 3569.38] perhaps corrective to it in some ways and then a fourth one that i'll bring up is investors |
[3569.38 --> 3574.56] this is tying you know so tying together a few themes here uh |
[3574.56 --> 3583.18] we started talking very early two years ago uh had a conversation with um andy weissman who's from |
[3583.18 --> 3590.30] union square ventures we had a long conversation pretty early after uh gidip launched where do |
[3590.30 --> 3596.14] investors fit right if gidip is funded on gidip we'd charge as little as possible uh you know we |
[3596.14 --> 3602.36] don't compensate our employees like what what's the role of the investor in this new uh you know this |
[3602.36 --> 3607.92] this trail that we're blazing didn't have an answer uh for a couple years and then actually when i heard |
[3607.92 --> 3614.02] from jason whenever it was last week i guess maybe it wasn't this week last week it occurred to me that |
[3614.02 --> 3618.62] now our teams feature which i forget i don't know we were maybe just launching it a year ago but |
[3618.62 --> 3623.20] we've got this teams feature now which is a whole nother thing and we'll have to talk about that next |
[3623.20 --> 3626.76] year because it's too big for now but it's it's awesome it's actually one of the most important |
[3626.76 --> 3631.56] things we're doing on gidip because it's how we say um you know it's not just about being a rock star |
[3631.56 --> 3636.34] with you know 20 000 twitter followers that's not the only way to make money on gidip you know you can |
[3636.34 --> 3641.68] be somebody who just does really good work and is you know um you know behind the scenes you can join |
[3641.68 --> 3649.70] a team and the team is pulling the money in on the pay what you want model right and then you know and |
[3649.70 --> 3656.26] you get a part of that um so you know because we've got that teams feature now we may have a way to |
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