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[1481.10 --> 1487.10] pertain to all of us i mean yeah not just the mean stack but the the reen stack and the gene stack and |
[1487.10 --> 1493.04] the amen stack or whatever stack it is we're all going to have a problem with maintaining uh backward |
[1493.04 --> 1499.74] like our our dependencies and maintaining our uh uh backward compatibility um when we ship things that |
[1499.74 --> 1505.46] are super dependent on other packages and i don't think we're alone in this and again right now it's |
[1505.46 --> 1512.04] our mission to keep and keep maintaining a live very healthy stack um but we see that this issue is |
[1512.04 --> 1517.10] going to happen for everyone so we we sort of want to create a discussion about this as well so do you |
[1517.10 --> 1522.16] guys follow like beta or alpha releases of the other of the pieces of mean and and and like integrate |
[1522.16 --> 1532.46] you know kind of proactively um yeah we we try to to react to uh different changes when they do happen |
[1532.46 --> 1540.92] uh we try to predict what would happen to the stack um when the the final uh release will be um but |
[1540.92 --> 1551.14] what we use is um luckily we have uh each dependency in the project is is installed by using a package manager |
[1551.14 --> 1562.46] um right the amazing npm and bower um tools help us maintain the project um uh solid while we test |
[1562.46 --> 1569.04] the different uh changes that come from from the community so before we release a new uh we before we |
[1569.04 --> 1577.08] upgrade the versions of our dependencies we can test it without breaking the master branch of our uh project |
[1577.08 --> 1585.36] right right so so it is it is though very unique because people are not basically building uh very |
[1585.36 --> 1589.84] simple applications on this and like the amount of complex this is basically a web framework uh really |
[1589.84 --> 1595.96] and and it's not it's going to be hard to really predict um 100 of you know breaking changes but we're |
[1595.96 --> 1602.92] we are doing our best yeah for sure so you guys have a few other uh requirements which are not like |
[1602.92 --> 1608.54] specifically mean you mentioned uh bower so you have npm well that's node basically bower grunt |
[1608.54 --> 1613.98] uh a few other ones so these were the same kind of thing went into picking these over like grunt over |
[1613.98 --> 1619.90] um gulp there's another one that gulp yeah just because they're like they're popular and they're |
[1619.90 --> 1625.58] they're well supported and and those is that nature like why you you chose these yeah basically and i think |
[1625.58 --> 1631.66] i i think that that again there might someone might want to use uh gulp and that's super cool and if that |
[1631.66 --> 1638.10] works for them that's just another flavor of uh another full stack uh javascript uh boilerplate |
[1638.10 --> 1643.16] and i think it's super awesome and it's just that we again just for that for those reasons alone |
[1643.16 --> 1648.26] right just like maintain backwards compatibility and to not break with every new release we're trying to |
[1648.26 --> 1657.24] pick the more uh supported and more uh well-founded uh um packages and we will we'll we'll visit this |
[1657.24 --> 1663.98] uh in a couple of i don't know weeks or so when we'll uh gulp is is an amazing tool that the |
[1663.98 --> 1672.12] the ecosystem is is growing uh really fast but and when it comes a time to choose between those two |
[1672.12 --> 1681.22] um i think we'll revisit this um discussion again um so we need to um again react to the what the |
[1681.22 --> 1688.62] community where the community is leaning to toward yeah once you talk a little bit about jsfs you |
[1688.62 --> 1693.62] mentioned it and what is it and and when can we uh when will we start hearing about it |
[1693.62 --> 1703.86] um so jsfs is like a grander idea our dream you can tell it you can we can tell it this way it's our |
[1703.86 --> 1710.14] dream it is our dream and it sort of like tries to talk about again larger problems and issues that |
[1710.14 --> 1714.92] you see when you're starting to deal with full stack javascript and some of them is our it some |
[1714.92 --> 1719.80] some of those issues are uh like we talked about um you know what flavor to choose for what scenario |
[1719.80 --> 1725.12] and we sort of want to make it a level playing field and sort of uh give a face to all these |
[1725.12 --> 1730.14] flavors but just like maybe uh make sure that the most prominent ones uh are shown to everybody |
[1730.14 --> 1735.38] everybody the ones that use the most popular components should be on top we think um but but on |
[1735.38 --> 1740.10] on on a on a larger scale we sort of want to talk about again the process of managing |
[1740.10 --> 1748.32] uh your file system and how you deal with uh deployment and how you deal with uh you know |
[1748.32 --> 1756.54] development cycles and you know how do you integrate a product lifeline to your jsfs uh sort of workflow |
[1756.54 --> 1762.58] and we sort of want to address the larger issues that come with uh jsfs and not and not necessarily |
[1762.58 --> 1770.08] focus on one stack or the other um and we hope to uh see something very soon i don't i don't think |
[1770.08 --> 1776.62] we have a a set launch date for this yeah but uh yeah cool so you mentioned that i just wanted to |
[1776.62 --> 1782.10] make sure we we hit on that a little bit uh going back to mean uh you have the concept of modules in |
[1782.10 --> 1787.68] mean and and i noticed the only module that you have is mean seo um where modules an original part |
[1787.68 --> 1794.08] of mean js or is that is that a relatively new addition um it's um it's something we planned yeah it's |
[1794.08 --> 1802.56] something we planned um a few months back uh we had a little struggle uh relaunching mean as mean js so |
[1802.56 --> 1809.58] uh we wanted to concentrate on writing uh proper documentation but it's but it's one of our main |
[1809.58 --> 1818.62] goals to um wrap mean with supplemental modules like the mean seo module um it's not it's not the only |
[1818.62 --> 1824.52] model we we want to build uh there are other models we plan on building um in the next couple of weeks |
[1824.52 --> 1834.34] we uh we're working on other tools but but modules are definitely um one of the best ways to uh support |
[1834.34 --> 1843.58] a stack without uh breaking it like without um right making it um vulnerable too heavy yeah yeah |
[1843.58 --> 1849.24] so what what constitutes like a module what what would what can we expect to see in modules for mean |
[1849.24 --> 1856.36] um so we're looking at anything that's uh again cross sort of like cross stack and not necessarily |
[1856.36 --> 1864.32] for mean per se so uh the mean seo module is uh doesn't necessarily have to work on uh mean itself |
[1864.32 --> 1871.34] it could work on other uh spas um this is a problem that again is is very common to all of all |
[1871.34 --> 1877.42] all javascript sbas um with crawlers and that sort of like solves it with node in the back end |
[1877.42 --> 1886.04] um we're looking at again uh looking at um at ways to improve uh loading uh your your scripts onto the |
[1886.04 --> 1892.16] page um compressing them uh making sure that all that process is taken care of again behind the scenes |
[1892.16 --> 1896.40] and these are things that you don't necessarily have to care about if you just want to build a web |
[1896.40 --> 1901.22] application but it would be better for you to have those things just to make sure your app |
[1901.22 --> 1908.02] is working properly um so we're looking into that we're looking into um some uh maybe we're not |
[1908.02 --> 1913.92] even uh completely sure that we'll go into a more commercial sort of side of it where we would try to |
[1913.92 --> 1920.96] maybe build a store or anything of that nature but right now we're we're really focusing on uh features |
[1920.96 --> 1928.66] that would make your stack uh work properly um and if we could um not not necessarily build something |
[1928.66 --> 1934.32] that's super opinionated towards mean specifically but rather solve a larger problem for full stack |
[1934.32 --> 1940.52] applications right that'd be great gotcha so somebody could take like ideally so mean seo is |
[1940.52 --> 1945.58] an express middleware so anyone using express for an sba could essentially pull that in is that right |
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[2103.10 --> 2107.72] same point but like uh switching things out in an application like this is interesting to me i think |
[2107.72 --> 2115.46] the biggest change i see was when you you replace jade with swig and um uh you you kind of hit on that a |
[2115.46 --> 2121.16] little bit why why did you do that and like what kind of conversations did you all have to have to |
[2121.16 --> 2130.84] like decide to pull the trigger on that okay so um templating engine um is a really um nice discussion |
[2130.84 --> 2140.08] we had with the community um the the community of of mean uh does have different preferences |
[2140.08 --> 2148.92] for different um they do prefer a certain um template engine we started with jade because it was most the |
[2148.92 --> 2157.00] most popular template engine um we moved this week because it was it's it is faster and uses html syntax |
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