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[2165.52 --> 2176.48] um we're actually working on a generator which is one of the most uh um um revisited issue request like |
[2176.48 --> 2182.82] uh people are asking for a proper generator and that generator will support different um render |
[2182.82 --> 2189.58] engines especially when you consider that most of the views you use in in a min application are |
[2189.58 --> 2198.58] basically uh angular views and not uh a back-end views uh that which uses uh template engines like jade |
[2198.58 --> 2208.00] era um hogan or any other template engine um but but what we get a lot of opinions about it we discuss |
[2208.00 --> 2215.00] about it a lot um we move to swig again because it it is faster uh but we plan to support different uh |
[2215.00 --> 2220.74] view engines it's kind of interesting that you mention it because like um that was like one of |
[2220.74 --> 2225.52] the reasons we were talking about jsfs to begin with is because we saw that people were like |
[2225.52 --> 2231.66] feverishly um just changing the the the template engine yeah really a sore a sore subject and people |
[2231.66 --> 2236.40] were like really up in arms about it and we sort of figured that like maybe a better way to go about |
[2236.40 --> 2242.58] it would be to not necessarily decide but rather supply a generator that could uh just open a new stack |
[2242.58 --> 2250.08] um with whatever templating engine you want because anyway in mean we really don't uh don't use a lot |
[2250.08 --> 2256.36] of uh server site templating like almost said so it we weren't really uh very very opinionated but we |
[2256.36 --> 2263.18] did have our opinion and again the generator should maybe uh help with solve this problem yeah gotcha |
[2263.18 --> 2268.36] so you talk about the generator uh one of the questions how does somebody get started with mean what how |
[2268.36 --> 2272.56] would you recommend to somebody comes up to you and says i'm interested in you know |
[2272.56 --> 2280.18] building an spa how do i get started with mean um i think the first thing would be to uh look at |
[2280.18 --> 2284.96] look at the website um go to the website start reading the documentation it would be really easy |
[2284.96 --> 2291.12] to just download it um uh npm install which would install all your dependencies and you can run the |
[2291.12 --> 2297.24] server and sort of look around the code and i think for me for me personally i really learned well |
[2297.24 --> 2303.82] example um we included a full stack example of an article um so you can see all sorts of things that |
[2303.82 --> 2310.72] you could do from like the point where you define your model um through the routes and then the angular |
[2310.72 --> 2315.58] service and the views etc and you can just like follow through the stack and sort of look at how |
[2315.58 --> 2322.62] it's implemented and then just play around with it maybe implement your own uh stack um it would be |
[2322.62 --> 2327.58] really easy to do when we have the generator out because all you would have to really do is pick a |
[2327.58 --> 2332.62] name and then set the structure and then it would basically be reflected to you from the server in |
[2332.62 --> 2339.32] your in your angular side with a server service very very easily so if if you do have you i think you |
[2339.32 --> 2344.90] to start using mean you do need some sort of a background a bit in node like a very basic |
[2344.90 --> 2350.16] understanding of what it is and how npm works maybe um and you do need some some sort of knowledge |
[2350.16 --> 2356.24] um uh and and maybe even experience with angular um i wouldn't necessarily recommend this to someone |
[2356.24 --> 2362.14] who doesn't know any of these um at this point but uh if you do have that kind of uh knowledge and |
[2362.14 --> 2367.76] then for sure i think if you if you just download it and and walk through the stack and all of its parts |
[2367.76 --> 2373.22] it's pretty self-explanatory and if that's not enough then then almost has really worked and |
[2373.22 --> 2378.80] uh really hard on uh the documentation on the website and lastly and maybe most importantly |
[2378.80 --> 2384.96] we are here to answer anyone's questions and we will do our our our best to really um reply to |
[2384.96 --> 2390.56] issues and we really encourage everyone to ask and talk to us because we just love it and yeah i think |
[2390.56 --> 2394.98] one of the best things that happened to on a personal level to me and i think to almost as well was |
[2394.98 --> 2400.30] seeing the amazing reaction from the community and that's something that this is my first uh open |
[2400.30 --> 2405.54] source project um that i'm really committed to and i feel that the community support engagement |
[2405.54 --> 2410.82] has really made a difference and really made it worth my while um to actually do it and it's super |
[2410.82 --> 2416.68] fun and people are awesome really best part of my day is discussing with developers what what they build |
[2416.68 --> 2425.54] well about the projects they do it's like answering those emails is like so it makes you feel like what |
[2425.54 --> 2430.72] you do matters you see people creating their dream project and they they ask you for such a simple |
[2430.72 --> 2439.90] question such simple questions and and you can really help them get through like right um so we are |
[2439.90 --> 2448.78] pretty communicative about um supporting uh the community um and we do and we'll we'll make the |
[2448.78 --> 2455.76] documentation better i promise you that accepting forks yeah yeah accepting forks we're totally |
[2455.76 --> 2461.98] accepting forks yeah and yeah and if you want to talk to us about uh your own uh javascript full stack |
[2461.98 --> 2469.38] flavor uh we totally encourage you to do that and we are totally non-denominational so whatever whatever |
[2469.38 --> 2474.62] kind of flavor you want to bring on to the table um i think we are going to limit um the scope to just |
[2474.62 --> 2479.60] javascript and not other languages at this point because otherwise it'll just be a big mess yeah um |
[2479.60 --> 2485.30] but yeah if you do have a stack we would love to hear from you so one of the things almost that you |
[2485.30 --> 2489.08] mentioned was you know it's like your favorite part of the day is answering emails about what people |
[2489.08 --> 2494.12] are building um anything that we know of like that that you could tell me that people are using |
[2494.12 --> 2501.60] meanjs in production to get started with um i don't know if i can disclose this information |
[2501.60 --> 2508.24] because no they trust me they they show me their projects they show me their their code i i don't know |
[2508.24 --> 2517.94] if they if i would like to um disclose their projects um i've seen people create uh simple applications |
[2517.94 --> 2526.36] um uh and an akaton application or something like that uh and i i've seen people um restructure |
[2526.36 --> 2536.02] uh their uh their companies 20 years old um stack uh in min um i'm actually helping a couple of |
[2536.02 --> 2544.66] companies doing so um um um but uh what we are about to open a built with section in our site and we |
[2544.66 --> 2551.06] will and and we'll invite people to share what they're doing um but i've seen it so we'll look |
[2551.06 --> 2555.10] out for that yeah yeah look out for that i don't want to get you in any trouble here |
[2555.10 --> 2563.86] yeah yeah better not yeah awesome so uh for our guests that are just listening or for new listeners |
[2563.86 --> 2568.64] to the show we ask our guests the same questions uh at the end of every show so we'll go ahead and |
[2568.64 --> 2574.94] ask you them now the first one um i'll ask you uh roe first is for a call to action for the community |
[2574.94 --> 2584.14] um a call action a call to arms would maybe be um just build your stacks uh and and just |
[2584.14 --> 2590.62] be involved in the discussion really um let your voice be heard um we really want to hear from you |
[2590.62 --> 2595.16] and we really want to hear uh what you think about our stack and if you have different ideas about how |
[2595.16 --> 2601.64] it should work or different stack we'd totally love to hear about it what about you amas um let us |
[2601.64 --> 2607.30] know what we're doing wrong i think i guess um and how would somebody do this through github issues |
[2607.30 --> 2613.18] yeah use the github issues on twitter we have a community section in our website you can use twitter |
[2613.18 --> 2621.16] facebook you can uh personally uh um drop me an email or something like that you can use the google group |
[2621.16 --> 2629.34] um we're we're making ourselves available in in in an irc channel um but i think the best way to do it |
[2629.34 --> 2635.62] is to just open an issue uh in the github repository um asking us to change something |
[2635.62 --> 2641.18] or something like that okay cool yeah uh amas if you weren't doing this what would you be doing |
[2641.18 --> 2649.82] instead oh i i would surf the amazing beaches of um sri lanka every day awesome for like 12 hours |
[2649.82 --> 2655.58] we've we've actually had a few people say surfing so uh so yeah that seems to be a common trend |
[2655.58 --> 2663.04] amongst uh developers what about you rowey um i'd probably be a musician i think okay what do you |
[2663.04 --> 2670.02] play yeah i play flute and piano go to rowey's soundcloud page listen to what no no no not yet i've been |
[2670.02 --> 2676.12] experimenting with like no no encourage him encourage him he's making really nice music um |
[2676.12 --> 2686.46] that's rowey schwaber cohen on soundcloud yeah i just thought it's sorry man that's fine that's awesome |
[2686.46 --> 2693.02] yeah sorry your music career begins now uh amas you might need to be looking for a replacement for |
[2693.02 --> 2698.76] mean js so nothing's gonna break this relationship don't worry we've been through a lot |
[2698.76 --> 2709.56] um a programmer hero oh that's a tough one that's an easy one for me uh douglas crockford for sure |
[2709.56 --> 2715.72] yeah um he's the good the good parts the good parts yeah for sure he's the guy who made uh javascript |
[2715.72 --> 2723.18] all make sense to me and i have watched all of all of his lectures on youtube um read all his books he's |
[2723.18 --> 2729.32] just an awesome dude yeah for sure any for you amas and amas you could uh you could even say uh |
[2729.32 --> 2736.64] your parents we've had that before yeah oh that's um i think dennis ritchie which wasn't really |
[2736.64 --> 2745.18] appreciated at this time um he died the same day uh the same week steve jobs died uh invented the |
[2745.18 --> 2752.54] language and and contributed to the unix um it was really cool i like those those ad guys |
[2752.54 --> 2762.22] in the duo of was and steve jobs i i'm i'm certainly the was um kind of guy yeah that's good |
[2762.22 --> 2767.64] yeah they need support too that's good yeah yeah totally they do cool stuff awesome they do cool |
[2767.64 --> 2774.16] stuff they they just do it because they like to do it not any other yeah yeah yeah i mean you when |
[2774.16 --> 2778.86] you kind of start reading into a lot of that history you see that it's it's generally the people |
[2778.86 --> 2783.48] with more moxie that become famous and not necessarily i mean not not to take anything |
[2783.48 --> 2788.28] away from steve jobs yeah of course i'm old but um that you know he has a moxie and that's kind of |
[2788.28 --> 2794.10] what what propels him to like super stardom status versus you know the uh the wazis of the world |
[2794.10 --> 2799.86] and was he so nice he loves to give you yeah yeah he's a nice guy he's a really nice guy |
[2799.86 --> 2807.04] awesome yeah well i wanted to say thanks so much for joining us on the show again it was uh |
[2807.04 --> 2812.66] amas aviv and roe schwaber cohen talking about mean js which uh sounds like it's it's it's just |
[2812.66 --> 2817.66] getting started but it's got some tremendous uh movement behind it and and i'm excited to kind of |
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