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[2343.60 --> 2348.56] there as well but as far as libraries go i mean you can probably already compile some of our libraries |
[2348.56 --> 2353.04] there that are in github i would say that the metadata reader probably uh in some way or the other |
[2353.04 --> 2358.64] already works on mono because there was a demo that we gilded where uh the majesty shop bb compilers |
[2358.64 --> 2364.88] we use that component already run on mono new collections should just work and so uh i think the very first |
[2364.88 --> 2369.52] thing we probably do is on our side uh you know add the build scripts we can actually build on a non-windows |
[2369.52 --> 2374.56] machine and then set up a ci system so we can actually uh you know validate for requests across the |
[2374.56 --> 2378.96] different platforms but as far as the ability goes to just take the source from one of it today you should |
[2378.96 --> 2383.36] be already be able to do that the one thing i want to add is that you know it's always true that |
[2383.36 --> 2388.08] dotnet was you know cross-platform if you screen hard enough right because the mono was around for a |
[2388.08 --> 2392.64] long time now but i think the real difference is now that we normally have a fourth community you know |
[2392.64 --> 2396.72] where you know one side does the windows thing which is microsoft and then this is other community that |
[2396.72 --> 2402.56] does the linux implementation the intent of dotnet core is really to have one unified code base that runs on |
[2403.12 --> 2408.72] you know linux windows and mac and not just that also on top of that microsoft actually says we support |
[2408.96 --> 2412.88] these three things so it's no longer the case that you know there's a microsoft distribution that is |
[2412.88 --> 2416.80] windows and then there is let's say a mono distribution that does linux and mac it will |
[2416.80 --> 2421.92] actually be coming from you know from from from one corporation so to speak you know as far as baking |
[2421.92 --> 2426.64] goes but as far as the community goes it's really just one big community where microsoft plays one |
[2426.64 --> 2431.20] part in it and then you know the mono community plays another part and whoever else wants to join in |
[2431.20 --> 2436.48] plays their part all right let's take a break from the show real quick we got to mention a sponsor |
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[2500.80 --> 2508.00] was it emma who made the marriage analogy i want to get i want to get back to that here uh |
[2508.80 --> 2513.76] yeah that was all about his personal life was laughing his butt off so if rins got something up his |
[2513.76 --> 2518.56] sleeve i think well i want to get back to that for a second because uh i love you guys excitement |
[2518.56 --> 2523.92] and this is a really cool stuff the community was you know jumped on it everybody even microsoft haters |
[2523.92 --> 2528.40] were like wow that's really awesome um and you mentioned how excited you guys are for pull requests |
[2528.40 --> 2533.04] and stuff and i would say you're very much in the honeymoon phase of open source where everything's |
[2533.04 --> 2537.84] exciting you know i've had that situation where i get a bug fixed to my repository and i didn't have |
[2537.84 --> 2542.48] to do it myself and that was awesome um we spoke with a lot of people over the years where |
[2543.12 --> 2548.00] they've been maintaining open source projects for a time and started off exciting and they got you |
[2548.00 --> 2554.64] know a lot of press or whatever and uh it was fun and then over time it became hard work um obviously |
[2554.64 --> 2560.40] you guys are doing this as part of you know your jobs but running open source project can be difficult |
[2560.40 --> 2567.76] it can be taxing it can have moments where um you know this pull request you know is is excellent |
[2567.76 --> 2571.52] but it actually goes against our business goals so there's all these different concerns were these |
[2571.52 --> 2577.04] things you guys thought about as you decided open source yeah i can take this one this is varon |
[2578.16 --> 2582.56] yeah i think uh here the culture of the team kind of comes into play uh you know that's what i was |
[2582.56 --> 2589.04] talking about earlier so you know when i look at the team our engineering team you know all of them |
[2589.04 --> 2595.12] are really excited about you know open source they feel like uh they're not just doing it you know as |
[2595.12 --> 2600.32] part of their jobs i mean if you look at the github repo you know how it looks and everything folks are |
[2600.32 --> 2606.56] truly excited the only difference is they're getting paid for it uh you know so basically that's why i |
[2606.56 --> 2612.80] think the excitement around open source uh you know will continue here there are you know obviously the |
[2612.80 --> 2617.60] kind of things you mentioned about you know we have to think through you know how we are going to process |
[2617.60 --> 2623.68] you know full request in a democratic way uh you know moving forward uh you know how do we you know |
[2623.68 --> 2629.52] work on some of the contentious things you know obviously you know as engineers we tend to get into |
[2629.52 --> 2635.36] our discussions and stuff like that and how do we kind of handle them uh you know with a broader audience |
[2635.36 --> 2640.24] so all of those challenges are true but i think the true uh you know thing that makes me excited |
[2640.24 --> 2645.04] about this whole thing is the culture on the team that's that's really unique uh you know i was |
[2645.04 --> 2651.92] telling this to you know imo the other day that you know it doesn't feel like that i am uh you know |
[2651.92 --> 2657.04] working in a team which my friends think you know i am you know probably working as you know you know |
[2657.04 --> 2660.96] my friends are not from microsoft they think they're probably wearing suits or something but |
[2662.24 --> 2669.28] here i think the culture of the team is very very different truly excited and you know basically |
[2669.28 --> 2674.96] uh you know if i use the phrase living in github you're not wearing suits then uh no we're not |
[2674.96 --> 2681.28] wearing suits t-shirts shorts flip-flops or what uh in the summer we'd be wearing flip-flops um it's |
[2681.28 --> 2686.48] pretty cold in washington right now that's true yeah it's just about freezing so um yeah we're skipping |
[2686.48 --> 2692.00] the shorts uh well i've heard the rule is if it's above 30 even flip-flops are okay yeah i thought you |
[2692.00 --> 2695.84] kept it so warm there as you wore your cold clothes on the way to work and when you got there you changed |
[2695.84 --> 2702.08] into your warm clothes totally yes i i just like to comment on a question that you guys were kind |
[2702.08 --> 2708.16] of asking earlier back to the motivation piece so we talked a lot about the motivation for open source |
[2708.16 --> 2715.68] but we didn't um really address the motivation for cross-plat quite as much and um from a corporate |
[2715.68 --> 2722.40] customer standpoint we actually do get a lot of customers coming to us that say uh you know really |
[2722.40 --> 2728.48] love dotnet love c sharp it's very productive we can build the apps we want to with it but we've got |
[2728.48 --> 2734.08] a bunch of linux machines um that we've been using and you know we're trying to consolidate |
[2734.72 --> 2743.12] our dev platform across everything we do we want it to be dotnet um so please build a linux version for |
[2743.12 --> 2750.96] us you might be surprised at how often that question comes through uh another one is that uh that's |
[2750.96 --> 2759.28] fairly similar in nature is um i think we've publicly stated that about 20 of the vms in azure are linux now |
[2760.00 --> 2768.24] and um we very much want to be able to give a consistent um offering of developer platforms that |
[2768.24 --> 2776.16] work on both linux and windows server in azure you know azure will continue to have the model of you |
[2776.16 --> 2782.24] you know it's your vm run what you want on it um so we're certainly happy to have people running linux |
[2782.24 --> 2789.68] vms that run java on them or or whatever but um from like a first class offering standpoint we want |
[2789.68 --> 2796.80] to make sure that people can run uh dotnet apps on linux on azure and so that those two those two kind |
[2796.80 --> 2804.24] of things are really the cross-plat motivation for us on the server side you mentioned uh your corporate |
[2804.24 --> 2808.16] friends so that's a good lead into the question we told you we were going to ask you about |
[2808.72 --> 2816.24] just the change that this imposes to your corporate users who either didn't use open source |
[2816.24 --> 2820.96] purposefully because they wanted to use something that was proprietary and had support or had something |
[2820.96 --> 2825.84] to blame basically if something went wrong you know how does this change things for those corporate |
[2825.84 --> 2832.48] users who may not embrace open source or who purposely didn't embrace open source for whatever the reasons were |
[2832.48 --> 2840.00] first i think there's our first answer which is we're not really changing much about what it is we do |
[2841.12 --> 2847.36] as you can imagine we've always had source control and so really all we're doing is taking our source |
[2847.36 --> 2855.84] control system and hosting it on github and changing the license to something much more liberal so that's the |
[2855.84 --> 2862.16] open source thing but we're not changing anything about our internal processes for how we go about |
[2862.16 --> 2869.84] shipping quality commercial software um there's nothing really about that that's changing uh and |
[2869.84 --> 2875.28] that's definitely a strong message we want to send our corporate customers the other side of it is if |
[2875.28 --> 2880.56] you're a uh you know uncomfortable with open source or just don't care about it you don't really have to |
[2880.56 --> 2886.32] think about it because you don't have to participate in the open source community if you don't want to |
[2886.32 --> 2893.92] do and what we ship at the end of the day is still commercial software most uh for the foreseeable future |
[2893.92 --> 2900.24] most of the code base is still going to have been written by microsoft engineers i mean we certainly want |
[2900.24 --> 2907.04] to get to the the case that a very high percentage of pull requests come from the community but um you're |
[2907.04 --> 2914.16] fundamentally still getting a product that was vetted by microsoft and is supported by microsoft |
[2914.16 --> 2920.96] um support so i think for corporate customers you can still think of this very much as microsoft |
[2920.96 --> 2928.72] commercial software and call it good awesome well as you guys know we usually close out uh with a |
[2928.72 --> 2935.68] question about a programming hero now all three of you feel free to answer um but i know at least one of you |
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