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[129.98 --> 137.60] hi i'm annika and um i live in berlin and i studied something totally different i studied |
[137.60 --> 145.16] linguistic and gender studies and um i started whereas girls berlin out of interest and because |
[145.16 --> 152.94] i fell in love with programming at a workshop and from there it was just a um a tiny step to where i'm |
[152.94 --> 159.70] now and now i'm working at travis ci and i'm running the travis foundation and with this i'm |
[159.70 --> 167.04] organizing where it goes more of code uh the second time now yes travis ci is also i don't know if |
[167.04 --> 173.56] you know this uh annika but travis ci is a partner of the changelog so for those who are members you |
[173.56 --> 181.32] can go to the changelog.com slash benefits and redeem your awesome long story short so um flor how about |
[181.32 --> 186.76] yourself i know you're a long-time listener first-time caller um so to speak for the changelog so |
[186.76 --> 192.44] who are you and and what are you up to yeah i think we tweet about every week right uh whenever |
[192.44 --> 198.64] i'm listening to the to the podcast again um so for me this is very exciting um so yeah hi uh my name |
[198.64 --> 204.84] is flor i live in berlin right now um but at this very moment i'm in vienna i used to live here for |
[204.84 --> 211.46] three years um i started programming about two years ago um going through the real scrolls guides by |
[211.46 --> 217.24] myself and uh and with my co-workers and that got me so excited that i wanted to get involved in the |
[217.24 --> 222.34] whole real scrolls community so i've organized about three of them in back in the netherlands i am from |
[222.34 --> 229.04] the netherlands um i'm organizing one in austria next month and one in azerbaijan of all places |
[229.04 --> 237.90] in october um yeah and last year a little bit late on i got um involved in real scrolls summer of code |
[237.90 --> 243.38] and that was such a great experience that i wanted to join as the as a part of the organizing team |
[243.38 --> 250.42] again this year and it's been a blast so far you mentioned tweets and excitement and i gotta |
[250.42 --> 254.88] give a shout out to the tweet you did just before the show today and we'll link to it in the show notes |
[254.88 --> 260.30] um if you go to the tweet and it's not moving go to click the actual link where it says go to |
[260.30 --> 265.28] imager because it's an animated gif that was just rocking so i love that gif by the way |
[265.28 --> 271.34] cool i'm glad you do um yeah you know anika from from your perspective though |
[271.34 --> 276.00] you'd mentioned that you went to school for linguistics and gender studies and i guess |
[276.00 --> 282.68] to some degree it's it's really shaping where you're at now with rails girls summer of code and |
[282.68 --> 288.24] and what you're doing with uh travis foundation and just in general i know that uh there's a lot |
[288.24 --> 294.56] of conversation around diversity and inclusivity and uh it's a big hot topic right now in tech and |
[294.56 --> 300.96] to some it's uh it's very real uh in terms of their life but can you give us an idea of maybe |
[300.96 --> 308.96] where i guess where the where the idea of rails girls summer code came from i know it's a campaign |
[308.96 --> 312.66] can you can you give us some of the backstory of what started this there was a blog post there was |
[312.66 --> 322.74] a dream give us the backstory um funnily enough i wasn't there when it started but i uh but i can |
[322.74 --> 331.08] can tell the story pretty uh good by now i guess so um this started with a meeting for um where |
[331.08 --> 338.00] organizers from rails girls berlin and coaches met and here in berlin we were one of the the first |
[338.00 --> 343.72] group actually that after a beginners workshop from rails girls that we said okay we wanted to |
[343.72 --> 351.62] continue coding together and to continue learning together so we organized follow-up workshops and we |
[351.62 --> 358.00] started these study groups and we encouraged everyone to start their own study group just |
[358.00 --> 366.22] grab a coach and meet up every week or every second week and and keep on learning and swan fuchs |
[366.22 --> 373.04] is one of the most active coaches and one of the most active community members here and he |
[373.04 --> 381.28] started a study group i think two years ago and this is one of the best study groups and most |
[381.28 --> 387.76] awesome study groups i've ever seen it's called ruby monsters and um yeah and they were just learning |
[387.76 --> 393.90] and and i think they were just um missing a goal where to learn two words to there was |
[393.90 --> 401.78] yeah of course you can learn a lot about ruby i guess or like build your own um website and stuff but |
[401.78 --> 409.56] uh so they met and um and wanted to see what what what what can we build for women to get even deeper |
[409.56 --> 415.54] into code and and their the idea of a rails girl summer of code was born and this is a little bit |
[415.54 --> 422.48] different than ruby and google summer of code as i understand it because it focuses on learning by |
[422.48 --> 429.56] doing so have that's the best way to learn right yes yes it's it's actually it's awesome and i of course i |
[429.56 --> 435.52] haven't done any other summer of code or even this one as a participant but as an organizer the |
[435.52 --> 442.26] idea is so great to have like have you work on a project and then actually get you deeper into code |
[442.26 --> 448.36] with uh while working on that project and while you work on that project and you contribute to open |
[448.36 --> 454.88] source you are in these three months um you are a full-time programmer and you can actually see if |
[454.88 --> 462.30] that's something you would want to get into so we we give women the opportunity to kind of see um |
[462.30 --> 469.72] how this works and if they actually would want to work as a programmer and um to give them a chance to |
[469.72 --> 475.72] contribute to open source full-time so yeah that was the idea behind red custom of code and then i guess |
[475.72 --> 482.92] it was such a great idea that they started to work on this right now and and when swan fux he gave a |
[482.92 --> 487.46] lightning talk at a beginners workshop and then a whole organizing team formed around him |
[487.46 --> 494.20] and they just got started and i think the whole um the whole idea was born in april or something |
[494.20 --> 502.86] and then they started the crowdfunding campaign last year and within two weeks i guess they had |
[502.86 --> 509.56] eighty thousand dollars and they could support uh ten teams to come on board for it's custom of code and |
[509.56 --> 516.22] this this whole process wasn't longer than two to three months i guess so this was kind of like |
[516.22 --> 524.82] yes like like a crazy idea crazy dream i was like okay let's just build it and that's that's the |
[524.82 --> 530.52] amazing story that's the kind of fairy tale kind of thing i like from that story and i actually joined |
[530.52 --> 537.68] in june uh when privacy i took me on board and and i i got on board as a community manager and |
[537.68 --> 544.40] to organize or help organize for a customer of code with them so that was when i came |
[544.40 --> 550.00] you touched on one one detail i think is kind of important for the listeners and i think it's important |
[550.00 --> 557.40] for a couple reasons one is to show uh your perspective um you come to this and you're an |
[557.40 --> 564.70] organizer of all of this as a non-developer um but you said you you know earlier in your intro that |
[564.70 --> 569.32] you fell you fell in love with programming can you talk a little bit about what it is like um |
[569.32 --> 575.66] organizing and operating in the world where you're not you're not as fluent with some of the lingo or |
[575.66 --> 580.82] even the language itself um you know can you speak as a non-developer in the position you're in |
[580.82 --> 583.92] it's a lot of smiling and nodding |
[583.92 --> 591.84] yes i understand what you mean so um fake it till you make it though right yes i think that's true |
[591.84 --> 598.16] and and you figure out that all the all the people around you don't know so much that you would think |
[598.16 --> 603.60] they know they they have to google themselves and i'm always like that's my day-to-day right there |
[603.60 --> 609.04] honestly so that's like come on as when i have this problem or constantine or whatever and and and |
[609.04 --> 615.28] and it says this and i i expect them to to apparently know and to just know by this minute |
[615.28 --> 620.24] how they can help me or how they can solve this and they're like yeah i really don't know so |
[620.24 --> 627.08] they're like the docs can you go to the docs please yes we all read the documents uh every day |
[627.08 --> 634.08] yeah totally so um yeah but that that's actually what struck me the most is like okay everybody's |
[634.08 --> 638.96] kind of no it's not fake it until you make it but it's like investigate until you're like exactly |
[638.96 --> 644.24] yeah learn what it is and and that's actually what i really love about programming is that you |
[644.24 --> 649.12] uh you see something and that you don't understand and then you work on it until you |
[649.12 --> 655.68] get it fixed and then there's such a rush of excitement um for me every time that i got something right |
[655.68 --> 661.76] so um it's a constant journey right it's it's it never changes that's what i love also about |
[662.40 --> 667.84] um i guess programming is one side of it but just like building for the web building software period |
[667.84 --> 675.28] whether it's design or development ux uh ui all all the pieces of building software to me is pretty |
[675.28 --> 680.96] well because you never stop learning and jared you can probably even jump in here on this because you |
[680.96 --> 687.20] teach um right now a rails class at interface there in omaha nebraska so that's kind of neat because you |
[687.20 --> 691.28] probably knew a lot when you went in but you know a lot more now because you got to teach it right |
[691.28 --> 696.48] yeah and actually one of the the things that i tell the students kind of day one is that uh you |
[696.48 --> 701.12] know one of the secrets of of software development and building for the web is that there aren't any |
[701.12 --> 706.96] know-it-alls like they're even the experts aren't expert because there's a constantly changing |
[706.96 --> 713.68] environment and there's tons of nuance um evolving best practices so a lot of the intimidation is just |
[713.68 --> 718.48] thinking everybody else knows way more and of course when you when you just get started they do know way |
[718.48 --> 724.72] more but you see somebody who's a so-called expert and who can build for the web um and they're looking |
[724.72 --> 729.92] at the docs and they're googling answers and they can't remember the you know the exact syntax of the |
[729.92 --> 737.12] api and that's kind of an empowering thought um seeing somebody who is um been in the business still |
[737.12 --> 741.60] having to do things that you're having to do as a beginner and we're all we all kind of live there |
[742.24 --> 748.32] yeah flor what's your perspective on i guess you'd mentioned that you're about two years |
[748.32 --> 753.60] into being a developer is that right yeah that's about right yeah so what is your have you gone |
[753.60 --> 758.72] through were you were you one of the participants of the first uh rails girls summer code or what is |
[759.52 --> 765.20] you know what's your angle to to this um no actually i wasn't a participant i was helping out um |
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