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[113.28 --> 119.66] you don't like the show so right and i think the last time you were on the show uh jared wasn't even |
[119.66 --> 126.28] a co-host on the show yet air uh andrew was uh co-hosting with me and i think he did episode 100 with |
[126.28 --> 133.94] you and rob totally solo so that's that's kind of cool too almost 50 shows ago man wow |
[133.94 --> 139.78] not to believe i'm sure you excited to be back though right this is uh yeah it's great one of |
[139.78 --> 141.08] your favorite podcasts i'm sure |
[141.08 --> 149.76] i don't even know how to respond to that of course it is that's how you respond oh yeah of course great |
[149.76 --> 156.44] i love it right okay guys i don't listen to a lot of podcasts so so uh no for the listeners if |
[156.44 --> 163.22] if you're not familiar with who andrew is andrew works on the go programming language uh aka golang |
[163.22 --> 170.86] or uh you know that's that's kind of how you say it i guess um yeah we just call it go go okay |
[170.86 --> 178.46] not not apparently my ex i can't say it in correctly because of my accent um maybe you should cut that |
[178.46 --> 184.02] out no go ahead say it one more time nice and clear well i say i say go go um well you got the |
[184.02 --> 192.58] awesome australian accent right so yeah awesome slash ridiculous uh i think it's awesome i mean i'm glad |
[192.58 --> 198.38] i kind of wish i had that accent sometimes not all the time but man there there are some really cool |
[198.38 --> 203.98] australian accents out there that i mean y'all have the same accent to a degree but there are just some |
[203.98 --> 209.46] that sound better than others so i'm a fan sometimes people in australia think that i'm |
[209.46 --> 214.76] not australian because i guess i spend a lot of time speaking to international audiences and so i |
[214.76 --> 219.22] sort of round out my accent a little bit right then it just makes me sound weird to everyone |
[219.22 --> 225.32] so i don't know whether i'm seeing the benefits or not that's it well you hail from as we said |
[225.32 --> 230.32] australia so you work at google sydney and in the pre-call i asked you a question that we had to pull |
[230.32 --> 235.32] into the show because i just thought your answer was pretty neat but uh just for some some uh you |
[235.32 --> 240.56] know background you know what's different about google sydney than like plain old google google |
[240.56 --> 245.76] sydney is definitely part of plain old google it's not a separate entity or anything like that i mean |
[245.76 --> 254.30] google has tens or probably hundreds of offices around the world um probably like tens of large |
[254.30 --> 260.16] engineering offices um and google sydney is one of the largest google offices outside of you know |
[260.16 --> 265.48] mountain view the headquarters but google sydney is kind of cool because um it has a long history at |
[265.48 --> 271.36] google it's one of the one of the first overseas engineering offices and the story behind it is kind |
[271.36 --> 279.34] of interesting because the team that built the product um that became google maps so it was a it |
[279.34 --> 284.30] was a company outside of google that built it and they sold the technology to google and they |
[284.30 --> 290.86] they also joined google when they sold it and so the the people who built that original basically like a |
[290.86 --> 299.04] prototype they um became but the first employees of google sydney more or less and there's a lot more |
[299.04 --> 305.14] detail in there but that's that's basically the story and so you know i think maps is is one of |
[305.14 --> 311.64] the major ways in which google has affected the world you know search is the first one and then i |
[311.64 --> 317.80] would say like for me personally maps was the the second big revelation that not i i've only been to |
[317.80 --> 321.76] google for five years so it has nothing to do with me but it was one of the things that really impressed |
[321.76 --> 326.54] me about google and so i think it's cool that you know sydney and google sydney was sort of the |
[326.54 --> 332.76] birthplace of that you said you've been with google five years now so that's almost the the age of go |
[332.76 --> 340.30] yeah well i joined google and the go team a couple of weeks after i'm sorry a couple of months after go |
[340.30 --> 347.90] was released what was that what month was that that was i started the start of february 2010 okay and |
[347.90 --> 354.20] go was released in november 2009 that's so crazy because that is our birthday the changelog was born |
[354.20 --> 362.70] november 19th 2009 right we'll go with november 10 so we're a little bit older slightly older |
[362.70 --> 371.04] that's funny because our third show was with rob bike oh really yeah our third show wow yeah three |
[371.04 --> 379.10] 1148 we covered go super early and uh you know when we say fresh and new and open source we mean it |
[379.10 --> 385.22] so episode number three the channel.com slash three is a show you listen to this is way back in the day |
[385.22 --> 389.82] too so if you want to get nostalgic uh listeners of this show long time fans of this show go back and |
[389.82 --> 396.32] listen to that show and hear the difference in audio quality this is this is like look this is the you |
[396.32 --> 401.32] know the version of a developer going back and looking looking at code that's five years old |
[401.32 --> 407.74] you know not a great conversation but the you know our production value is a lot different than |
[407.74 --> 415.86] win and i win netherland now he hacks on uh the google or the uh the github api but we were so fresh |
[415.86 --> 420.90] and green with podcasting i think then it was just it was a different landscape this was before it was |
[420.90 --> 426.24] cool too you know so it's a different world you know podcasting is cool now didn't you hear |
[426.24 --> 434.30] i'm not even kidding i'm not even kidding yeah actually i must admit i have been thinking about |
[434.30 --> 441.56] recording my own podcast see um yeah i think it'd be cool to actually have a podcast where i interview |
[441.56 --> 447.14] people in the go community and talk to them about what they're doing and what they think and so on |
[447.14 --> 451.94] i don't disagree i don't disagree i think you should do it and i'm going to encourage you to do it |
[451.94 --> 457.88] yeah um in fact we may be able to help you oh we can talk about that later yeah let's let's |
[457.88 --> 462.88] definitely earmark that conversation but so a year and a half ago so we've been talking about the past |
[462.88 --> 467.98] a little bit in preparation for talking about today and the future but a year and a half ago episode 100 |
[467.98 --> 472.40] you were on the show with rob you guys talked deeply about the history and the details of the |
[472.40 --> 477.96] language uh simplicity concurrency productivity it's not just a systems language it's sort of just |
[477.96 --> 483.68] giving a rough summary of some of the things that i pulled out there um but recently in february you |
[483.68 --> 490.56] gave a a talk at uh is it fos dem or is it fos dem i guess it's if you're pronouncing it in australian |
[490.56 --> 497.38] accent it's fos dem because we pronounce all s's like z's but it's probably fos dem okay i'm gonna go |
[497.38 --> 503.88] with i'm gonna go with either i don't know fos dem i'll say fos dem because it seems like uh well we had |
[503.88 --> 513.62] the same uh conundrum with uh oscon is it oscon or is it oscon or see yeah see you probably say oscon |
[513.62 --> 521.90] right i say oscon see now i would always say oscon as well but even jared myself and uh who was it |
[521.90 --> 527.02] that was on the show that time someone from facebook and i can't remember her name right now |
[527.02 --> 532.98] it's it's uh upsetting me but anyways we couldn't figure it out either so you talked about the state of |
[532.98 --> 539.26] go at fos dem uh it's basically the oscon speaking of oscon the oscon of of europe basically right |
[539.26 --> 544.90] that's that's what that yeah i mean i actually i think not to say anything bad about oscon i i quite |
[544.90 --> 551.20] like oscon as a conference but fos dem is almost something else it's it's an amazing community-driven |
[551.20 --> 557.06] conference that's totally non-commercial it's hosted at a university but the really remarkable part is |
[557.06 --> 562.60] it used to it used to have an emphasis on like the main track talks which were curated by the |
[562.60 --> 569.26] conference organizers um but they had these things known as dev rooms where people in the community |
[569.26 --> 574.36] could register interest in running a dev room and basically that means that they would get a day |
[574.36 --> 580.50] and a room and some equipment and they could run their own thing there and like it was they called |
[580.50 --> 585.68] dev rooms because originally it was like you know all the people working on like open step for instance |
[585.68 --> 590.24] would get together and they would talk about all right well what are we going to work on over the next |
[590.24 --> 594.90] year and maybe they'd even get some hacking done or some like api design or something like that |
[594.90 --> 600.82] and then gradually the emphasis has really shifted over to these dev rooms and they've now become like |
[600.82 --> 606.42] curated many conferences inside the greater conference and so all the action actually happens |
[606.42 --> 612.30] at these dev rooms and the dev rooms yeah yeah and so like i the last couple of years i've organized |
[612.30 --> 617.86] the go dev room and curated you know speakers from the go community to talk about go stuff |
[617.86 --> 624.52] and um so it's it's it's really awesome in that it's it's just totally grassroots totally community |
[624.52 --> 632.22] driven um it's very very much a free conference it's free to attend and you know it's very sort of |
[632.22 --> 636.98] democratic in a way and so i feel like more than any other conference i've been involved with |
[636.98 --> 640.22] fosdem really embodies like the spirit of the open source community |
[640.22 --> 648.54] well we have a weekly email we ship out on saturdays and i am going to link up all of the |
[648.54 --> 654.32] the playlists that you linked out on um i think it was a couple weeks back or something like that |
[654.32 --> 660.98] maybe a month back or something like that so all of the dev dev rim talk at fosdem is going to be |
[660.98 --> 668.02] in our weekly email this saturday so um we're recording this on a wednesday and actually the day uh |
[668.02 --> 676.90] i don't usually time stamp these but march 18th this show won't go live until the 27th of march |
[676.90 --> 681.48] just so you know and everybody else listening so it's the 27th or after if you're a member you're |
[681.48 --> 687.78] listening live potentially but it's march 28th that's when we're recording this um so we'll actually |
[687.78 --> 692.82] link that up this saturday which will be before this and uh you know i blew somebody somebody's mind |
[692.82 --> 696.96] away whenever i was like we're recording this in the future and you're listening to this in the past |
[696.96 --> 701.12] because it's kind of how the podcast is right we listen we record it in the past and you listen |
[701.12 --> 706.56] to the future and it's kind of all jacked up uh unless you're actually listening live but anyways |
[706.56 --> 712.92] the so the state of go fosdem you know you mentioned you've been running that room for the last couple |
[712.92 --> 717.26] years what are some of the things you've seen happen over the last couple years running that room |
[717.26 --> 723.22] around the go community well you know with regard to the room specifically i mean it's just we've just |
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