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[4462.38 --> 4467.36] where people are able to write application layer code that's either reference counter or gc even |
[4467.36 --> 4474.84] um but it talks to a lower like a framework layer that's extremely performance that you so i sort of |
[4474.84 --> 4479.70] think about rails right rails because application layer is written in ruby the framework layer is |
[4479.70 --> 4484.40] written in ruby but ruby has real performance limitations and if you start to write rails in c++ |
[4484.40 --> 4489.32] or c and someone jumped in to understand they'd be like oh my god i have no idea what's going on |
[4489.32 --> 4493.64] please write this in ruby but because rust is sort of has sort of this natural layer where |
[4493.64 --> 4499.78] uh it it uh separates allocation the cost of allocation from the details of how you actually |
[4499.78 --> 4504.02] work with the objects i can easily imagine someone writing a rails that was very fast very efficient |
[4504.02 --> 4509.24] very low level and worked with um the ownership system but then the glue code on top |
[4509.24 --> 4515.76] the application layer code was very was much more loose was gc or reference counter based and that |
[4515.76 --> 4519.92] sort of thing is exciting there's a lot of work that's left to be done um that's not something |
[4519.92 --> 4525.58] someone could start doing today uh there's language features that are still left but i i think um i say |
[4525.58 --> 4529.48] this and i'm sure that we're gonna get a bunch of rust people that say that's impossible you shouldn't |
[4529.48 --> 4533.90] get people's hopes up but i i can imagine happening and i want i want to see something like that happening |
[4533.90 --> 4542.74] i i've been sort of thinking about the the release of 1.0 is like an event horizon like all of my |
[4542.74 --> 4549.62] hypothesizing about what may happen post-release are sort of like not important the most important |
[4549.62 --> 4554.50] thing is eye on the prize heads down like ship the best possible 1.0 that i can possibly ship |
[4554.50 --> 4558.64] because you only get one chance at a first impression i've been joking that i can't wait for |
[4558.64 --> 4562.76] the six-week release cycle to start kicking in for real because like this is the only stressful |
[4562.76 --> 4567.32] releases that we'll have is today and six weeks from today and every release after that is just |
[4567.32 --> 4572.48] like oh yeah this is just a friday like no big deal um so i've admittedly been thinking a little bit |
[4572.48 --> 4577.64] less about the future because i've been so focused on you know the immediate presence um i think that |
[4577.64 --> 4581.98] if i had to say overall it would definitely be much more social kind of aims than it is like specific |
[4581.98 --> 4587.26] technical aims i would love to see rust start to be used to teach operating systems classes and |
[4587.26 --> 4594.16] colleges we've already had one instance of that happen um and i would love to see rust make a lot |
[4594.16 --> 4599.30] of more people uh understand that low-level programming is not inherently harder than high-level |
[4599.30 --> 4603.38] programming uh this could be a whole other show so i won't get into that a whole lot more but i think |
[4603.38 --> 4606.70] that different people have different aptitudes and some people think that low-level programming is |
[4606.70 --> 4611.46] easier than web programming because web programming is actually very complicated so um i would like to |
[4611.46 --> 4616.94] see like a new generation of people get interested in doing sort of systemsy stuff and i think that |
[4616.94 --> 4622.28] we'll be able to like help them out with that um so that's sort of my big focus more than a |
[4622.28 --> 4627.76] specific technical thing i'm interested in the social good that we can do uh and also like you |
[4627.76 --> 4633.68] know rewriting libraries that need to be safe in a safer language will do a lot of good in the world |
[4633.68 --> 4640.46] too hopefully so awesome man sounds like really cool stuff unfortunately we're running low on time |
[4640.46 --> 4643.94] here so we're going to do a few of our closing questions and we'll probably split them up |
[4643.94 --> 4649.94] give yahuda one i'll give steve one um one question we ask maybe i'll pitch this one to steve |
[4649.94 --> 4656.84] is wait if you had a call to arms to the open source community with regard to rust and you wanted them to |
[4656.84 --> 4661.30] do something to help out to get involved what would you say what's the best way what should people be |
[4661.30 --> 4667.76] doing i would say give it a try uh write down what you think whether or not it's positive or negative |
[4667.76 --> 4675.32] although uh you know try to be constructive please for my ego insanity uh and uh leave a like a post in |
[4675.32 --> 4679.84] our users forum um which you know this is a discourse you can sign in with github or twitter you don't even |
[4679.84 --> 4684.96] need to make like a real account or anything and just let us know what you think um this next six weeks |
[4684.96 --> 4690.02] is going to be largely about polish and so we can only polish off the sharp edges that you help us find |
[4690.02 --> 4694.82] so there are undoubtedly a lot of them um i've already submitted two pull requests today to fix |
[4694.82 --> 4699.68] tiny things um but yeah like just just straight up honest feedback and giving a good shot would be |
[4699.68 --> 4707.74] wonderful awesome uh next question this one's for you huda you guys are kind of uh leaders in finding |
[4707.74 --> 4715.16] new things and kind of steve found rust before i had any idea what what the heck it was um and so |
[4715.16 --> 4718.64] we're always interested with our guests like what's on your radar of course you've been deeply |
[4718.64 --> 4723.92] embedded into ember and into the rust uh ecosystems but do you have anything else that's kind of |
[4723.92 --> 4728.08] tantalizing you a project that you're interested in or if you have a free weekend that you'd want |
[4728.08 --> 4735.96] to hack on that perhaps folks haven't heard of so mostly i do web stuff okay and i think i think uh |
[4735.96 --> 4739.34] maybe i'll just answer this generically with platitudes because i don't i don't actually have |
[4739.34 --> 4745.26] any specific project okay but but uh i think people underestimate the web over and over and over again |
[4745.26 --> 4750.90] um and i think we're in the middle of another wave i think something like 2011 was the last big wave of |
[4750.90 --> 4756.06] features that really fundamentally shifted how people use the web um so things like web workers |
[4756.06 --> 4763.62] uh typed arrays index db flexbox these are all things that i think if you go look back you can see |
[4763.62 --> 4768.56] that those are fundamental game changers some of them made as in just possible um but of course when |
[4768.56 --> 4773.42] they happen people say oh those guys they're taking a document format and cramming on random blah blah blah blah |
[4773.42 --> 4778.74] blah blah whatever whatever people say um and i think we're in the middle of another wave um so |
[4778.74 --> 4786.28] there's things like uh more work on asmjs service worker the houdini project which is doing some work |
[4786.28 --> 4792.88] to expose more of css uh directly to users a bunch of things like that that i think are going to end up |
[4792.88 --> 4798.90] being important um and it's i find it interesting that it's not when i look back it's not like there's |
[4798.90 --> 4803.84] any one it's it's people are kind of expected to either be totally stagnant or changing all the time |
[4803.84 --> 4809.62] and i kind of see waves so uh i guess keep an eye out for like what's going to happen over the next |
[4809.62 --> 4814.94] year or two on the web and if you want to think about what's coming next on the web you should |
[4814.94 --> 4818.98] think about how to take advantage of the things that are coming and not be so cynical about them |
[4818.98 --> 4825.10] very good answer um well it's been definitely been having been uh definitely been fun having |
[4825.10 --> 4829.56] you guys here on the show today i know this has gone a little longer than maybe our norm is but |
[4829.56 --> 4834.88] for those long shows this is about right in the good range where we kind of camp out in so um |
[4834.88 --> 4837.80] definitely want to thank you guys for taking the time to come on and talk about rust definitely |
[4837.80 --> 4842.78] excited about where it's going keep in touch with us we definitely want to help however we can to |
[4842.78 --> 4849.88] uh encourage those who haven't yet tried rust to try rust and give constructive polite graceful |
[4849.88 --> 4854.64] feedback um because that's what's that's the world needs right you can't be mean you gotta |
[4854.64 --> 4859.50] there's nice there's too many people being jerks on get up issues right all directions and i would |
[4859.50 --> 4864.82] like if that not happened anymore yes totally agree totally agree with um and we echo that and we |
[4864.82 --> 4869.74] ask the entire community for the same thing we do have a couple shows coming up i'm going to tease |
[4869.74 --> 4876.52] the next one so i guess to to you who does mention back to the web this is going to the platform i |
[4876.52 --> 4883.22] think that's pretty strong out there it's called wordpress we're talking to roots.io sage a very |
[4883.22 --> 4889.16] cool starter theme and bedrock which is a modern wordpress stack we're talking to ben word and scott |
[4889.16 --> 4896.92] walkinshaw about that we had some awesome sponsors for this show code ship at quality bundle which is a |
[4896.92 --> 4903.36] time limited super awesome bundle it expires on april 15th so take a listen to that uh top towel |
[4903.36 --> 4909.70] in digital ocean whom absolutely love what we do here but thanks to steve and yahuda and jared and |
[4909.70 --> 4916.10] all the awesome listeners the members and for now let's say goodbye everybody bye thanks guys |
[4916.10 --> 4927.48] bye |
[4927.48 --> 4929.54] you |
[4929.54 --> 4959.52] I love you |
• Introduction to episode 148 of The Change Log podcast |
• Andrew Duran, a Go programming language developer at Google, joins the show |
• Discussion of the state of Go in 2015 |
• Introduction of a new feature called Parallel CI by Codeship |
• Benefits of Parallel CI, including faster tests and deployment |
• Promotion of Codeship's free plan and a 20% discount for listeners |
• Background on Google Sydney and its role in the development of Google Maps |
• Andrew Duran's experience working on the Go team at Google |
• Early days of the Go programming language and its release in 2009 |
• The Change Log podcast's third episode, which covered Go early on |
• Audio quality improvement over time |
• Nostalgia for early podcasting days |
• Discussion of starting a new podcast |
• Interviewing people in the Go community |
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