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[2548.20 --> 2553.62] clever novel piece of tech in there um borrowed from the from the go world so definitely check it out |
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[2604.10 --> 2610.64] to containers um what's the state of the specification is it like pretty much written are you looking for |
[2610.64 --> 2618.72] feedback um how do people get involved so right now we are we're between a so the very first thing |
[2618.72 --> 2624.02] we released was a 0.1.0 which is like essentially prototype here's ideas we wanted to put enough |
[2624.02 --> 2629.02] rails on it that like the conversation you know could move forward but we didn't want to define |
[2629.02 --> 2637.80] everything i think we cut yesterday 0.2.0 which is it's getting pretty good um but still moving um and |
[2637.80 --> 2642.78] we've been keeping rocket kind of in track of the spec the whole time so we we are forced to think |
[2642.78 --> 2650.04] through the spec with an implementation um and then our next major one is around a kind of we think |
[2650.04 --> 2655.88] it's good so i'll you know outside implementations like go for it let's start doing the interoperability |
[2655.88 --> 2661.44] thing folks that want to help kind of show that the standard works and then once we have a number of |
[2661.44 --> 2666.92] sort of outside implementations then we'll call it 1.0 because that should just prove that the |
[2666.92 --> 2672.12] the spec is pretty solid if we're able to get outside folks to contribute to it and and uh and |
[2672.12 --> 2676.86] build their own things and we're starting to see it happen uh you know there was a c++ version that |
[2676.86 --> 2682.30] was released of the app container spec um there's another one i can't recall off the top of my head |
[2682.30 --> 2688.08] um but even that before we have a stable spec is pretty solid you know for a project that has been |
[2688.08 --> 2694.86] out for about 45 days minus like 15 days of holidays in the middle there you know um so it's it's moving |
[2694.86 --> 2701.42] moving along pretty quickly so no doubt you're eventually want to get rocket um in involved in |
[2701.42 --> 2707.14] the core os product uh got a timeline on on that transition and will you continue to support docker |
[2707.14 --> 2713.02] into the future so we'll definitely continue to support docker the rocket timeline depends on |
[2713.02 --> 2720.52] how quickly rocket is production ready um and and so um you know it's a little bit tbd just because |
[2720.52 --> 2726.16] we know like we don't even try to set timelines on our open source projects it's just kind of like |
[2726.16 --> 2733.22] when it's ready it's ready um so uh it'll take a little bit of time to get 1.0 but um but it's moving |
[2733.22 --> 2740.20] along very quickly we will you know at some point have a core os with rocket in it how those all |
[2740.20 --> 2745.30] kind of play together uh you know we haven't really talked too much about i will say though |
[2745.30 --> 2751.30] the original motivation of rocket and our use of containers is to treat it like a package manager |
[2751.30 --> 2756.18] but our packages are different in that our packages are always up to date for you so you |
[2756.18 --> 2762.06] could imagine building a package manager hint hint wink wink that also does auto updating you know |
[2762.06 --> 2767.74] and and that's something that we would want to do for the docker platform itself you know as they |
[2767.74 --> 2773.20] ship new features like constantly and ship uh you know security fixes and everything we would love to |
[2773.20 --> 2778.54] deliver those extremely quickly to the user as an entire platform not just as treating it as our |
[2778.54 --> 2783.46] package manager you know just like how we would love to help the mesos community run mesos on top of |
[2783.46 --> 2788.42] core os um but to do that we would package it you know we would package those things we wouldn't make |
[2788.42 --> 2794.68] it the primitive on core os for how you download and run the package if that makes sense yeah |
[2794.68 --> 2802.00] cool sounds really cool um let me ask you this say i'm interested in core os because actually i am |
[2802.00 --> 2810.08] kind of interested in core os say i am uh hypothetically um can it run pretty much anywhere |
[2810.08 --> 2816.14] these days like amazon digital ocean is it just like any other linux distro that i can go install |
[2816.14 --> 2825.70] onto a vps yep so we're on amazon digital ocean google open stack eucalyptus you know um on-prem |
[2825.70 --> 2834.16] bare metal iso usb stick like vmware you name it um and you can run core os there um and the really |
[2834.16 --> 2842.52] cool thing about core os is we when we when you run us on a bare metal server or you run us on a cloud |
[2842.52 --> 2848.80] server the root file system is bit for bit identical we can pass a signature validation |
[2848.80 --> 2854.58] on the on the entire root block device uh that says they're cryptographically identical which is |
[2854.58 --> 2860.60] great from a security perspective like forget about ids it just doesn't matter anymore um and it's also |
[2860.60 --> 2865.58] great from if you're at you know a developer and you want to target a consistent platform in different |
[2865.58 --> 2872.02] environments we are we are 100 consistent so if you want to use abuntu on digital ocean and |
[2872.02 --> 2876.46] amazon that's cool you can do that and they're pretty close but they're not like bit for bit |
[2876.46 --> 2881.26] identical which is a kind of a requirement if you want actual portability uh between these things |
[2881.26 --> 2886.92] um and so we we put a big emphasis on on core os to really nail some of these things home as we |
[2886.92 --> 2889.72] as we get distributed across all the different cloud environments |
[2889.72 --> 2899.16] i guess uh one closing question before we tail off to our super awesome end of show questions um |
[2899.16 --> 2904.44] what what role does does quay play into if that's the way you said canadians say it k |
[2904.44 --> 2911.42] maybe the french canadians key um what role does that play i guess into the future of core os and |
[2911.42 --> 2917.74] uh this this open standard for the app container sure so first that's a great example of our commercial |
[2917.74 --> 2923.76] offerings you could go and use an open source docker registry or you could use docker's hosted registry |
[2923.76 --> 2932.58] um but we build a enterprise ready on-prem version of docker registry um that companies can go and buy |
[2932.58 --> 2936.76] if they don't want to piece it together themselves and there's no alternative to that right now on the |
[2936.76 --> 2942.86] market we have a complete monopoly on an on-prem kind of commercial ready version of of um of a docker |
[2942.86 --> 2948.68] registry um so that's a perfect example of it's like hey you could go replace it with open source by |
[2948.68 --> 2952.62] your teams piecing it together if they want or you could buy it off the shelf from us and you choose |
[2952.62 --> 2958.02] and it incentivizes us to be interoperable with standards but also just do a great job of piecing |
[2958.02 --> 2963.42] those things together for our customers now features of quay that we might add as they relate |
[2963.42 --> 2967.22] to rocket and app container i think it's only natural to assume that we will support app container |
[2967.22 --> 2972.44] and um docker you know just like all these other projects that are trying to target app container |
[2972.44 --> 2976.92] it's moving right now so so we can't just ship it overnight we have to like get the spec firmed up |
[2976.92 --> 2982.08] before we can have our tools support it as well um so that i think will only be another value prop |
[2982.08 --> 2987.86] of of uh enterprise registry is you could choose the best container technology for you if you want |
[2987.86 --> 2995.10] if you want the one that docker has put together that's fine if you want um you know ours uh you |
[2995.10 --> 2998.72] could do it and we'll make sure they're all interoperable um and you can kind of choose which |
[2998.72 --> 3005.20] one is best best tool for the job and having core os power all that's got to help the development team |
[3005.20 --> 3013.26] sort of bug fix across the spectrum too exactly exactly well um alex it's definitely been fun |
[3013.26 --> 3021.04] talking about uh app containers the standard uh rocket docker core os uh i think jared's excited |
[3021.04 --> 3029.42] about it i've uh those who know the show well know i'm a front-end designer person who plays hacker |
[3029.42 --> 3034.92] for fun on the radio as win used to say when he was co-host of the show he used to say that a lot |
[3034.92 --> 3039.70] so it's kind of funny but i've actually done several server builds over the last couple years |
[3039.70 --> 3045.46] and i've gotten more and more into my dev ops space but uh if jared's excited about core os i'm |
[3045.46 --> 3049.96] excited about core os i hope it i hope you're excited about it because you don't want to care |
[3049.96 --> 3054.90] about it i want you to say like i want to use core os because i don't ever want to have to worry |
[3054.90 --> 3058.80] about a security patch i'll just let the core os guys take care of it for me because i think they |
[3058.80 --> 3063.10] can do a better job than i see and that's exactly probably what you want right that's exactly what |
[3063.10 --> 3068.82] exactly when harpley was around i was like oh man what do i gotta do and i'm not obviously as the |
[3068.82 --> 3075.88] non-devops non-server builder person but does it part-time when he needs to sort of person um i was |
[3075.88 --> 3080.50] thinking what the heck do i do i don't even know what the problem is exactly at the moment and then |
[3080.50 --> 3085.26] you know i'm sort of playing ketchup because i'm less in the fringes on that stuff and you know while |
[3085.26 --> 3090.44] we pay attention to open source and keep our finger on the pulse open source is big technology is big |
[3090.44 --> 3095.58] you can't you know grasp it all and you know i was like what the heck do i gotta do and it would |
[3095.58 --> 3100.68] have been nice to have a core os like thing where i can trust that you're going to auto update it on |
[3100.68 --> 3105.50] my behalf with security but then you do have the fear side which jared pointed out earlier so you |
[3105.50 --> 3110.36] sort of have this double-edged sword that so long as you keep doing your job right on security and |
[3110.36 --> 3114.28] non-breaking i guess the containers sort of take care of that right well i can tell you what i did |
[3114.28 --> 3119.86] on heart bleed is i went out and patched double-digit servers for my customers spent the whole day |
[3119.86 --> 3126.22] patching servers so i could definitely uh get on board with somebody else pushing those security |
[3126.22 --> 3131.34] patches onto my os that would be awesome we patched tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of |
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