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**Brian Ketelsen:** Well, that's actually a really good transition into our discussion about our sponsors; speaking of people who build great tools to help you ship your software. |
Equinox, one of my favorite tooling companies, Equinox.io, helps you package and distribute your Go applications. You can package and release CLI and on-premise software using Equinox, and I think my favorite part about using Equinox is the native packages and installers for Mac, Windows and Linux. So you get the msi, ... |
We use Equinox at Backplane, and I think Beyang you mentioned that you had used it before, hadn't you? |
**Beyang Liu:** \[28:03\] Yeah, we've used it for on-prem stuff at Sourcegraph, and I just have to say it's so easy... If it's your job to manage on-prem or native installers for a Go-based application, and you're just worried about the headache that that entails, then you should definitely check out Equinox. It makes ... |
I'd also like to give a shout out to Equinox's creator, Alan Shreve. He's just a great guy. He's prominent in the Go open source community and he has just done so much great open source stuff. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's awesome. We probably talk about ngrok at least once an episode. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, that's exactly what I was gonna point out. If you haven't heard of Equinox, you certainly have heard of ngrok. |
**Beyang Liu:** He also gave a talk at this year's dotGo. Basically he wrote a program that makes it much easier to read through functions in Go code. Basically what it does is it strips out all the boilerplate. So when you're reading through a function, trying to understand how it works, you really wanna concentrate o... |
**Erik St. Martin:** That's interesting. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That is slick. |
**Erik St. Martin:** What's the project called? |
**Beyang Liu:** I don't know what the name of the project is, but I think it was at dotGo. If you just search 'dotGo alan shreve' I think the talk will come up. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's awesome. Well, you can support Alan and his company Equinox by going to Equinox.io/gotime. Equinox is free for community and personal projects, and very inexpensive for companies to release their tool, so go check it out. We love them. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I'm sure he'd be perfectly happy with bags of money too. \[laughter\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Well, I have to pay for my ngrok subscription, because I love it so damn much. I use it every single day. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, I'm constantly using ngrok. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** So Alan's getting two sponsorships for the price of one today. \[laughter\] The double-double. |
**Beyang Liu:** I'm curious to hear, in addition to things like ngrok and Equinox, what other tools do you guys rely on day to day, that you find really useful. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Well, that's interesting. I mean, so many of them are probably abstracted away from me now with Vim Go, I don't run them myself. But a lot of the stuff that comes in gometalinter I use quite a bit, which I almost feel like I should turn off for a little bit, so that I visually catch these things no... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** My answer would be the same as Erik's, just because I use Vim Go and I have absolutely no idea about the seventeen binaries that are running in the background, managing my code for me. I love them all though, thank you. |
**Beyang Liu:** Nice. That's awesome. |
**Erik St. Martin:** At prior places we used some stuff like ffjson and SQL C. I'm trying to think about some of the other tools we used for some of that code generation. |
**Beyang Liu:** Yeah, what parts of code do you guys auto-generate in your code base? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Generate all the things... All the things. \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, so Brian's mostly been on a Goa kick lately, so generating all the API stuff from kind of a specification of the API. |
**Beyang Liu:** Oh, nice. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** \[32:01\] Yeah, I'm giving a talk at Abstractions.io - I'm in Pittsburgh whenever that is, August something - about generating all the things. I'm really excited about that. Because one of the fun things about Goa is that it's got this DSL engine in it that means that you can create your own DSL to ... |
I really like that a lot, because you're generating the code and it becomes very easy to make changes to your system, and the DSL is very self-documenting, so you understand what you're doing and why. |
**Beyang Liu:** Yeah, that's awesome. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I've seen some polls going out about dependency management tools and stuff like that that are favored. I'd be really interested to see what tools people use regularly for Go development. I'm willing to bet there are probably a lot of popular tools in there that I don't use and I should. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I'm sure there are. |
**Beyang Liu:** Yeah, that's the thing. I feel like every other week there's some new tool that someone mentions and I'm like, "Oh wait, that would be really useful. Why am I not using that yet?" |
**Erik St. Martin:** Florin in the GoTime channel just said 'Delve'. How did we forget about Delve? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, how could we possibly forget about the best debugger ever? Although I don't ever debug, so maybe that's why I forgot about it, because I don't ever debug. My code just works. \[laughter\] |
**Beyang Liu:** Are you a printf man? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I think I used Delve about twice, and I found it to be impressive. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, I'm not always a debugger person. It depends on how intricate the issue is that I'm trying to diagnose and how much I need to pay attention to the overall state of the application, stuff like that, versus whether this particular block of code is getting hit and what values within that scope a... |
**Beyang Liu:** Well, the thing I use the most is probably Sourcegraph itself, just for exploring code and finding user examples. Other than that, before I used the Go Emacs plugin, because I use Emacs as my editor. I've since switched to the Emacs Editor plugin that we shipped recently. |
**Erik St. Martin:** You know, Brian and I are gonna try not to hold that against you. |
**Beyang Liu:** Yeah. For like the day-to-day "I'm programming, I need to look up information", I mostly rely on Sourcegraph for that these days. For the metaprogramming stuff, we generate a lot of things. We wrote this tool called gen-mocks that automatically creates mock structs for testing purposes. So you have a st... |
We use gRPC gateway to generate the API to the application that the UI and the editor plugins hit. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, gRPC is another one I've used heavily. Gen-mocks looks interesting. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** \[36:03\] I haven't seen that one. |
**Beyang Liu:** What looks interesting? |
**Erik St. Martin:** The gen-mocks that you were talking about. |
**Beyang Liu:** Oh yeah, gen-mocks. It's a pretty small tool, pretty straightforward, check it out. |
**Erik St. Martin:** It looks like it just kind of takes an interface and kind of generates mock structs for you, that implement that interface |
**Beyang Liu:** Yeah. I wish Dmitri were here actually, because he could speak to a lot of the tools that we use and all the stuff we do to maintain good quality code as the application progresses. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Can we get like the "Who wants to be a millionaire" phone friend? \[laughter\] Can we get that going? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** We'll just have a show just for Dmitri. That would definitely be another interesting show. |
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