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**Beyang Liu:** Yeah. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** We can talk about his gist code imports. |
**Beyang Liu:** \[laughs\] Yeah. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I forgot about that. So I guess we're probably getting shorter on time here. Do you guys wanna talk about any interesting news and projects? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I have a couple interesting things to talk about. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I know which one you're gonna say. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Which one am I gonna say? Just tell me which one am I gonna say first. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Twitch. It's gonna be Twitch. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, that blog post that Twitch put out a couple days ago - we'll put a link up on Twitter and in the show notes - about the garbage collector latency; that was just an amazing blog post. I love that. Really good post. I read it twice. |
**Erik St. Martin:** And I think this speaks to Beyang's point, the tooling and just the way the community interacts, too. I love watching the journey here of kind of how they work together on continuously improving this. Did you see that post? |
**Beyang Liu:** No, I haven't seen it yet. I'm definitely gonna check it out, though. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, so it's basically Twitch walking through starting their release with 1.2 of Go, and their chat server implementation and the GC pauses, and the evolution of discovering what those latencies are and working with patches on their side and working in parallel with the Go Team and getting some of... |
It was insane. It went, in total, from like 10 milliseconds... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It was tenths of seconds down to one millisecond. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, it was insane. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It was crazy in garbage collection pause times, and it's just an awesome story for Twitch and their engineering team, and a great story for Go too, to show just how much Go has improved over the years, too. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, maybe the Go Team doesn't get as much love as they should for some of these things that happen behind the scenes, that most of us aren't even aware of. We see the end result, like "Oh yeah, garbage collection times went down", but we don't see the insane pain that some companies suffered, and... |
**Beyang Liu:** I'm really looking forward to the Go Guru talk at GopherCon. I hope that it's like a follow-up blog post, and I'm looking forward to using it, too. That looks awesome. I think the Go Team again there is doing great work, pushing forward not just the state of Go tooling, but also... Like, what other lang... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I agree. It's almost like they have parallel paths of performance and tooling. They're marching down two different directions of making Go as fast as it can possibly be, but then creating this amazing ecosystem of tools that really make our lives as developers better. We heart the Go Team. |
**Erik St. Martin:** \[40:06\] There's some really interesting talks this year that I really wanna see, some deep dives. One of the ones that I find most interesting is the packet injection one. I think that one's gonna be a lot of fun, because it's totally different. They're doing packet capture and analysis with Go. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** But you know, we're live streaming, Erik. You can watch it at home, if you go to Twitch.tv/Gophercon \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** I can watch it at home...? Can I hide at my hotel room to watch it? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Awesome. "Anybody seen Erik?" "Nope." \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** So the sad thing is we always have to wait until the videos come out. We don't really get to see the talks until afterwards, but we get something completely different out of it, so it's a lot of fun. What else do we have going on? I know there's been a couple of releases... Kubernetes 1.3 came out,... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, big release. |
**Erik St. Martin:** ...which kind of had some of the Ubernetes stuff in it, which is the kind of the cluster federation. They bumped up the max size too, it's like two thousand node clusters and fifty or sixty thousand containers. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, I saw a tweet a couple hours ago about sixty thousand pods. I don't know if that's correct, but it certainly seems like the addition of etcd 3.0 allowed them to scale quite a bit. I know that the etcd release was big, yeah many [`minikube`](https://minikube.sigs.k8s.io/docs) is really awesome. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I think that they're mostly compatible now with the OCI and CNI stuff, or rocket. I haven't checked out the new dashboard, but I'm looking forward to that, too. But yeah, it seems like some cool stuff there. There was another project that hit 1.0.2... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Traefik. Traefik.io the load balancer. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yes! |
2. That looks like a big release for them. And then Glide was released at 0.11 this week. It looked like they had a lot of very nice features added there. But I think mostly it was a pretty quiet week. I think everybody's holding all of their big releases for GopherCon next week, and I don't blame them, because it is t... |
**Erik St. Martin:** I think mostly the past week has been all the BigQuery stuff, which I'm sure... You've been reading most of the posts with that, right Beyang? |
**Beyang Liu:** Yeah, I've been following along. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, so that's mainly the big thing. And you are ahead of the curve, because you guys have been doing code analysis on all the Go projects on GitHub for quite some time now. |
**Beyang Liu:** Yeah. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Do you guys do any metrics now? Are you building any statistics internally about commonly used packages and things like that? |
**Beyang Liu:** Yeah, we have a lot of those statistics internally. We're still working on the product version of that. What sort of statistics would you guys like to see on Go projects? |
**Erik St. Martin:** I think that should be fun, I think we should make a call out for people, too. Let's create a list of stats people would be interested in. |
**Beyang Liu:** The things that we're thinking about are... Some basic statistics you can already get from the site are how many times is this function called in the Go universe? How many other repositories reference it? How many times do they call it for each repository? Who are the authors that use this function in s... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I would love to see how many external dependencies there are. Does this library have 47 other dependencies? |
**Beyang Liu:** Like how many things depend on it, or how many things it depends on? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** \[44:03\] How many things it depends on. Is there a left pad coming up in my future? |
**Beyang Liu:** \[laughs\] Yeah, totally. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I guess I would be really interested to see the effects of importing a project. If I'm gonna import this package for something I need it for, how many packages and maybe how many lines of code in general am I importing just to get whatever that function is that I want, and maybe I use that as the d... |
**Beyang Liu:** You can either tweet at Sourcegraph, @srcgraph, or just email hi@sourcegraph.com |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Nice. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I always like those hi@ email addresses. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** They're very friendly. |
**Erik St. Martin:** We need a hi@gophercon or a hi@gopheracademy. Well, I guess we can't say hi at Gophercon, because now it has a different meaning, with all the new rules... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Especially in Colorado, yeah. Very different. |
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