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**Jerod Santo:** Somebody who's not named Jerod. \[laughs\] He did make a point of saying "It's got SO-DIMMs", so I'm sure listeners out there know what that is, but I don't... |
**Tim Smith:** \[laughs\] Okay. Because I didn't understand what that was all about. Alright, so it starts with 256 SSD; you can go up to 2 TB. It also has the T2 security chip, which I'm wondering -- I always felt that the T2 chip was mostly for Touch ID, but I guess it's not. It also does some encryption on the drive... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** To rewind a little bit, I can explain the SO-DIMMs... \[laughter\] |
**Jerod Santo:** I'm over here on Wikipedia also, looking up SO-DIMMs... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I think it's worth mentioning, just simply because I'm assuming it's of similar speed, but not of similar size. So when you talk about the DIMMs that go in for the RAM, then the SO-DIMM, they call it Small Outline Dual Inline Memory Module. It's the type that can be just a smaller alternative to the... |
**Tim Smith:** Okay... |
**Jerod Santo:** I'm feeling full DIMM, right about now. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So SO-DIMM is basically just a smaller version of what's typically known as RAM. |
**Tim Smith:** Okay. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Form factor-wise at least, but your question was? |
**Tim Smith:** Well, I wanted to know what SO-DIMM was, so you mentioned that... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Good, good. |
**Jerod Santo:** So they're basically just like regular RAM DIMMs, but they're half the size, so they fit better into smaller spaces, like in the Mac mini. I don't know why customers would care so much. Maybe they're popping them open and replacing them, I don't know... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, I think that's definitely mentioned as an earmark for "Hey, if you plan to crack this open, you're gonna deal with SO-DIMMs." And I'm assuming you can crack it open. I'm also assuming, based on this conversation, or at least what they've shown so far, that the form-factor hasn't changed... Bec... |
**Tim Smith:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That would f-- so many people. We never curse on these shows... Gosh, I don't even know why I'm saying that... It would severely upset people; let's use a more friendly term, and we'll bleep that one out if we can... But it would, because in most cases - sure, you wanna get this as a bring-your-own ... |
**Tim Smith:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I mean, that's a good price. That's better than $1,200, right? |
**Jerod Santo:** For sure. |
**Tim Smith:** Yeah. I also love that they talked about the thermal flow because that's a big deal, especially for me on my MacBook - it runs so hot sometimes, and if it's not properly aired and cooled, basically your machine is not going to last very long. I love that it also has four Thunderbolt 3 ports, 10 Gigabit E... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, if we rewind a little, it did start before at $499, so that's kind of terrible on that front... |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] "That's kind of terrible..." |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[39:58\] I mean, the difference on the starting price is kind of terrible... on that front. |
**Tim Smith:** No no no, $499 is the price that it is right now though. The old generation is $499. When it was new, it didn't start at $499. |
**Jerod Santo:** I think it might have. I think it was at $499 and then it went up to maybe $699. I can't remember the exact history, but there was an entry-level of $499, because I remember thinking "Get on the MacOS (or back then it was OS10) for $500." That was kind of the sales pitch in my mind for a Mac mini. |
**Tim Smith:** Really? |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. Let me call at Apple a little bit here, because some of this stuff -- I mean, this is exciting; I love that there's a new Mac mini, the specs are good, but the marketing speech to me rings a bit disingenuous, because they're like "It's five times faster! It's 60% faster integrated graphics!" All ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** The expectation is what they've done. |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. It's because they haven't updated the thing in four years. Of course you're gonna blow the previous one out of the water. It's four years old. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Probably comparing spinning disks versus SSD, too. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. In that case, definitely. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You can swap out pretty much any run-of-the-mill spinning disk to SSD and get that performance. |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I agree with you. Do you wanna know how hard or easy it is to get to be a $4,199 machine? Well, you add a 6-core 8th generation 3.2 processors, 64 gigs of RAM, 2 TB of SSD storage, and 10 Gigabit Ethernet. That's how you get a $4,200 Mac mini. |
**Tim Smith:** Wow. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** The fact that you can is great, because there's some who want that form factor, but very server, that runs macOS. I think that's the one key thing here. This is only kind of machine you can max out to that level and run macOS. Anything else out there, you've gotta go to Linux or, dare I say, Windows... |
**Tim Smith:** Now, let me ask you a question... This is the question that I wanted to ask you before, and I wanna hear both of your opinions on this. I am sick of using my MacBook Pro as my main machine. After this day, after this announcement, I feel like I could do most of my work off of a Mac mini, and have a MacBo... |
**Jerod Santo:** I don't wanna do that... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I think what would hold me back would be on the video front, for you in particular... Because you may not do video every day as your priority job, or even your day-to-day habits. The graphics is probably missing there. It's definitely not a video-friendly machine, so I think once you get to that poi... |
**Tim Smith:** \[laughs\] |
**Jerod Santo:** \[43:57\] Well, you don't have to do that... What specifically is missing with the -- I mean, you say it's not for video... Is it because the GPU, the graphics card...? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, the graphics, the GPU... You need that. You need the graphics card with at least 4 gigs of GPU, for decent video stuff. Even if it's in 4K, you're gonna be dropping frames left and right, and not very happy... The graphics is where it's missing. |
**Tim Smith:** Dang! |
**Jerod Santo:** What's in there? It's just an Intel graphics card... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Intel UHD Graphics 630, which, going back to the Air, is an Intel UHD Graphics 617. I'm not sure of the spec difference between those two, besides maybe 13 numbers... |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] It's barely 13 numbers better than the MacBook Air... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, 617, 630 - it's 13, so that's the difference there... I would just say that if you couldn't do it on an Air with that graphics, I can't imagine that the graphics card on the Mac mini is so much better than that Air's graphics card. So if we're talking about video on a MacBook Air, it's probabl... |
So you're talking about in the case of replacing the need for a MacBook Pro, and I think it's still not there. Just based on that. Because when you go to, say, a fully-spec'ed out MacBook Pro, which I'm assuming you may or may not desire, is a Radeon Pro 560X (560-ten, if you wanna stay on-brand with Apple), with four ... |
The I/O is really interesting. I think the Mac mini in my opinion is probably a good fit in server-like installations, or people who don't do graphics that need server-like scenarios; so then let's push in, say, a NAS... Or RAIDs, or something like that. It's your networked macOS server locally; it's maybe commanding y... |
**Jerod Santo:** So the answer from Adam is "No, because of video." |
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