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**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** If you don't need video, maybe you're there. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Totally. If you're just audio, no video, maybe even lightweight Photoshop, occasional graphics manipulation, if you're doing anything where you're doing things in the cloud -- that's essentially like Citrix back in the day; client-server, server-based computing stuff... And if you're doing stuff in ... |
**Tim Smith:** \[48:03\] So you're saying if I give up video, the Mac mini would be perfect. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It would be adequate. I can't say perfect. |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, here's the other issue with a Mac mini, which is that now you have to go out and find a display. With a MacBook Pro you're getting a display built-in, with the iMac or iMac Pro you have an Apple display built right in... There's no such thing as an Apple display right now, which we're all kind of... |
**Tim Smith:** Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** I would expect them to go back to building their own displays, versus just saying "Use LG." Which, by the way, I have a third-party LG display and it does not work very well with Mojave in terms of plugging and unplugging it; it just sometimes doesn't get picked up... And I'm like, "If this was just an... |
**Tim Smith:** I agree. |
**Jerod Santo:** So I do like that world; I think I could probably live there as a developer, because I'm not doing video processing, but obviously, with Changelog and our media content that we're producing, I would not wanna put myself into a corner of not being able to do video editing, so I probably wouldn't do it e... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I can't say though that you don't have to shoot 4K. And when I say video, I usually caveat that with most video folks are like us, they're pushing the edge. |
**Tim Smith:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So the caveat there is 4K. If you're not shooting, editing in even 4K, or 4K raw, or some of these higher-end much more sizeable resolutions, and you're shooting HD, you probably would get away with it just no problem. |
**Tim Smith:** Well, the thing is I'm usually shooting in 4K, then creating 720p proxies, editing those, then exporting back to 4K. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, that's a pain in the butt. \[laughter\] It really is, because now you've gotta manage proxies, and it is painful. Here's why it's painful - one, it's time-consuming; it's a workflow thing, that's usually a Tim thing, and if you invite somebody else into your workflow, now they've gotta adopt t... |
**Tim Smith:** Right. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** The other piece is the original size of the 4K, and then the smaller size, which isn't much, but still enough to add to the 4K size of a proxy file. And then file management. It just gets to be error-prone. It's so much nicer if you can just pull up the 4K footage and just literally push the space b... |
**Tim Smith:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I'm curious though, seven minutes ago \[unintelligible 00:51:06.16\] in our Apple Nerds chat room - he did something interesting around when it comes to developer-isms with the Mac mini, where he's pushing a CI environment that's powered by GitLab. He's using VirtualBox to run VMs for Windows and Li... |
**Jerod Santo:** \[52:10\] Worth noting that Apple also gave a shout-out to people who are running Mac minis in servers, so they're very well aware that this is a thing that people are doing. What was the name of that company that had 8,000 Mac minis racked in a server farm? MacStadium? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Interesting. |
**Jerod Santo:** That was very, very cool. And lots of different uses for developers. Like you said, CI, you could have a build farm, especially if you're building for iOS... You can off-load your compiles and different Xcode things to Mac minis. Of course, there's live performances, you could use them for your home me... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, let's go back to the specs... I think the answer is definitely getting closer to yes. I would say you probably wanna max it out, because Plex, in a transcoding scenario -- just to rewind a little bit... Plex is like a media server for your either home or business, where you can do lots of inte... |
You don't need much memory for Plex, really. You can get away with 8 or 16 gigs of memory. The CPU is really where it's at. Most of the stuff that Plex does is CPU-intensive, which is why an Air would never work, but a bumped-up Mac mini -- in this case actually, if I were to configure a Mac mini for Plex and I didn't ... |
That gives you 10 Gigabit Ethernet, 128 gigs of SSD storage, 8 gigs of RAM - because you really don't need much; you don't need it. Sure, maybe you could bump up to 16 at $200 to your price point (that's $1,099)... Actually, I made a mistake there. That's $1,199, sorry. $1,199 for the 6-core model, not $899. |
**Tim Smith:** Wouldn't you be able to do that exact same thing with eGPU, what you're talking about? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I can't confirm or deny. |
**Jerod Santo:** Probably yes. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I don't know... I really don't. I've never attempted to look into eGPU for Plex reasons, probably because of components, really... The complexity. If you can get a machine that just bumps your CPU up one level, why get eGPU? I guess if you had an older machine you wanted to retrofit and use, maybe..... |
**Jerod Santo:** No, because you have a Mac mini and you can't get a dedicated GPU on that thing, so you get an eGPU, that's why. |
**Tim Smith:** Right. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, I guess so... I mean, okay, so let's keep at the lowest pricepoint, which is $799, but you'd have to consider how much an eGPU would be on top of that. |
**Jerod Santo:** Sure. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Why not just add $300 to your price point here, do $1,199, and no external or extra thing... |
**Jerod Santo:** $1,199 and then buy not a Mac mini? Buy something else? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** No, buy a Mac mini at $1,199 by just bumping only the CPU, keeping everything base... |
**Jerod Santo:** You're not bumping the GPU though... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** They don't offer that. |
**Tim Smith:** \[55:54\] That's what I'm saying... |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, with eGPU you get that. That's what Tim's saying. You can buy your own external GPU and attach it via Thunderbolt, right? |
**Tim Smith:** Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** Boom goes the dynamite. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Let's see how much a typical eGPU might cost... |
**Tim Smith:** That actually solves my problem too, possibly. |
**Jerod Santo:** Uuhhhh... |
**Tim Smith:** If you could get a Mac mini and yo spec it out to wherever you want in terms of memory and solid state drives, then you get an external GPU - boom, you can edit 4K no problem. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Okay, so here's the add-on there... I'm just referencing because it's quick to google and it's on Apple, so it's trusted at least. It's a trusted point to start at. You may be able to go lesser on price and smaller on size - I don't know, I haven't done the research, but... A Black Magic eGPU, which... |
**Tim Smith:** Oh yeah, AirPort Extreme. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It seems very much like an AirPort Extreme. |
**Tim Smith:** Yeah. |
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