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**Adam Stacoviak:** So if you can deal with one more plugged in device, $700, and this in particular eGPU, then sure, what you mentioned, Jerod, is great. Or you can just add $300 and then move on with your life. |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, the nice thing with the Mac mini is you have options. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Tim Smith:** Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** And that shows it right there. Maybe it's not for you, maybe the pricing -- you go crunch the numbers and it doesn't make sense to do an eGPU for that use case, but the fact that you have options... There are so many ports in the back... And I think the biggest deal with this Mac mini release is just t... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Going back to one more spec on this, which we covered quickly, is the thermoflow - I think what that's gonna offer you is quietness. When it comes to whether or not you can kick it on your desk, as we say - like you mentioned, Jerod, your MacBook Pro still has trouble with Skype and several things h... |
**Jerod Santo:** Google Hangouts, I hate you... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, these are the things... I'm assuming it's part one of just necessary cooling, but the double airflow that it offers now I would imagine cools it better, and probably quieter than typically a MacBook Pro does. I'm just assuming that, just based on the form factor, and having Mac minis currently... |
**Tim Smith:** Yeah. I agree with Jerod. What I love the most of the Mac mini is the fact that it feels like obviously it's not dead, hopefully they'll continue to update it, and it gives you options... The whole reason why I ask about this Mac mini as a good option as my primary desktop computer is because I don't kno... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[59:52\] Well, I think on that front you may be on to something, Tim, with the eGPU scenario, because I believe those will begin to be more and more price-competitive, and not very uncommon as an add-on to scenarios where you wanna have more control. In this case it's about control, and less about ... |
**Tim Smith:** Yes. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** They gave you access to it, but the limitation on size... Whereas previous generations of Mac Pro's were these gigantic boxes, like the old-school way... And there's people who literally will retrofit the old-school boxes into the new-school ways and make these new Hackintosh-Mackintoshes... It's ki... |
So you might be on to something. I would say the price points on eGPU's will get more and more competitive, especially as AI machine learning - which is not a one-to-one; they will still be available to you. I'm assuming those are also similar, where you can use them in a video environment and do what you're saying onc... |
**Tim Smith:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Actually, looking here, if we're using, say, a PCI version as a price point example, like an NVIDIA, it's like $100 for a 2-gig external graphics card. I'm sure they're taking that kind of technology and making it more accessible from a Thunderbolt 3 peripheral. |
**Jerod Santo:** Let's talk about this iPad Pro, and - can I just say it? The pencil attaches to the iPad Pro with a magnet, and it charges the pencil... Whooo-weeee! That's my highlight right there. I was just like, "That's so cool...!" |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I can tell you're really digging the attachment -- well, add to that, so it attaches magnetically, and it wirelessly charges. |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So it's always powered. That's amazing. I mean, leave it to Apple to go that far. That kind of detail is led by them. Sure, others do it -- man, they think about all the user experience, so that's big in product design and releases. It's not just "Hey, this thing does this thing." It's "This thing d... |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, remember the previous pencil. You had to plug it into the bottom... Dead center bottom, and it stuck out, it was all dorky, and everybody would make fun of them for their bad design. |
**Tim Smith:** A bunch of memes. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, it was meme-worthy. That was dumb. But it was like, maybe that was just a setup to make the magnet so much better when we see it. We're like, "Oh, now they've solved it..." |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Have you ever seen the comparison of the iMac iteration? As you know, I'm a huge fan of iteration. I say it all the time, because it's like -- people just see the final product... Let's say even the iPhone is a final product. If you look at that versus gen one to now, you would probably never buy a ... |
**Tim Smith:** With huge bezels, too. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[01:03:48.04\] Huge bezels, many colors... An amazing machine. I've actually seen several of them, even though it's uncommon these days to see the oldest school iMacs of anything, right? But then you compare that to an iMac Pro, and you take the picture of the iMac generation from one, and all of t... |
**Tim Smith:** I don't think they've ever done the different colors with iPad Pro, but I just feel -- and I think we touched on this before with the MacBook Air, that the black bezel just looks so nice, and now that it's almost edge to edge, which we should quote Jerod on this one, "with 100% less notch", it just looks... |
**Jerod Santo:** It looks spectacular. They've made it thinner, they've added this magnet-based charging of the pencil, and of course, all the specs are upgraded... One thing was even 1,000 times faster, and unlike the Mac mini, where it's been four years, so it better be faster, this was from last year's model. It was... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** The presenter even said "That is nuts!" |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah... Because it really is, any sort of improvement like that. We've got USB-C in the bottom, we've got Face ID, it's 5.9 millimeters thin... I mean, let's address the elephant in the room, which sir Timly said during the event in our Apple Nerds chat: "You still can't do web dev on it", so from our ... |
I was not ready to be impressed by an iPad Pro release today; it was kind of an after-thought to me. I figured, yeah, they'd spec-bump it, it'd be fine, it'd be the next iPad. I don't own an iPad; I've had an iPad, I gave it to my wife and moved on, but man, this thing is hot! |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I like that mention of Swift Playgrounds, because this is an $800 Swift Playground machine if you're just getting it for development, right? |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Most businesses can afford that, and would afford that, and just hand them out, be like "Go learn Swift." |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, but I think Swift Playgrounds is playgroundy enough that it's not gonna take you the full length of where you need to be. I mean, until you can run Xcode on this and it's built to run Xcode, you're not gonna be doing development on this, aside from introductory learning things like Swift Playgrou... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So you're a developer, right Jerod? |
**Jerod Santo:** Correct. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Okay. And you got excited by this... |
**Jerod Santo:** Um, as a human... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** As a human. What about the developer side of you got you excited? Anything at all? Anything? |
**Jerod Santo:** That's my point, not really... I mean... No. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** AR? |
**Jerod Santo:** AR... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[01:07:49.13\] Now, we kind of laugh at that, but I made a note here. I've seen Spielberg use this AR stuff to create spaces, so like space creators meaning people designing spaces, which they've showed off with Adobe, and whatnot... I think that's an area where we think it's only -- AR and gamepla... |
**Jerod Santo:** AR definitely has potential. I think the only real valuable SpaceBoard in the kind of programming that I do is mostly web development. Shopify has done some interesting things with AR, and enabling that for their customers to do eCommerce sales. I think it's a perfect pitch for that use case, whereas l... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I believe it's pronounced vase \[va:hz\]. |
**Jerod Santo:** Oh, I'm sorry... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Vases \[va:hzez\]. |
**Jerod Santo:** It's like "foyers", and you guys are like "I believe it's a foyer \[fawyer\]" and I'm like, "Not where I come from. I'm from Little America." We just sound things out where I come from. |
**Tim Smith:** I think I was the one who told you that. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, it's true. |
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